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Explain The Triune Of God

My question is concerning the "triune God". Why in the greetings of many of the epistles in the Bible are only the Father and the Son mentioned and never the Holy Spirit? (eg. 1Cor.1:3 Grace and peace be to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.)

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"...speculative thought began to analyze the divine nature until in the 4th century an elaborate theory of a threefoldness in God appears. In this Nicene or Athanasian form of thought God is said to consist of three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all equally eternal, powerful and glorious."
Encyclopedia Americana, 1944, v. 6, p. 619, "Christianity."

"The Trinity is a mystery..., which could not be known without revelation, and even after revelation cannot become wholly intelligible."
Theological Dictionary, by Catholic scholars Karl Rahner and Herbert Vorgrimler.
---scott on 7/2/12


"I don't believe, and no Trinitarian does, that Jesus is the Father." Marc

If your statement is true then you may want to have a private chat with Warwick (and others) who regularly trot out (and literally apply) John 14:9 -"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father", as a "proof text". This is Modalism.

What's more confusing than the Trinity itself? The wildly different and often contradictory ways that Trinitarians attempt to explain it.

And as much as Cluny would not like to be complimented by me...he is the only Trinitarian here that, to my knowledge, has ever called out another Trinitarian for there often "heretical" explanation of the "Triune God".
---scott on 6/4/12


Warwick:

Oneness pentecostals believe the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not only one, but they are one and the same (i.e. interchangeable). However, there are many places in scripture where it is clear this is NOT the case:
1) Jesus frequently prayed to the Father (was he schizophrenic?)
2) The Holy Spirit descended on Jesus
3) Blasphemy against the Son is forgivable, against the Holy Spirit is not
4) Jesus was flesh, not so the Father and Spirit.
5) Jesus said not to call him good, only the Father is good
6) Jesus didn't know the hour of the End, only the Father knews

Also, your attitude of "I don't understand what you're saying, so it's probably wrong" is somewhat patronizing.
---StrongAxe on 5/30/12


\\ I and the Father are one and the First Commandment is that the Lord is one.\\

If you are referring to the Decalogue as the first commandment, you are wrong.

And if you are referring to the first mitzvah in the Torah, you are still wrong. That one is "Be fruitful and multiply."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/12


StrongAxe, by now I am not really sure what your point is. However from experience it will not be in accord with what Scripture says.
---Warwick on 5/30/12




Catholicus thank you,yes I know that many denominations do believe in the Trinity. I have seen so many different ways the Trinity is explained by all the denominations,frankly it doesn't instill confidence in what they say,especially since Jesus said John 10:30 I and the Father are one and the First Commandment is that the Lord is one. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 5/30/12


jonweckl, As the singular pronoun "HE God" is shown in verse Gn.1:26,27: "And said HE God, Let us make man in our shape, as our likeness, that rule upon fish of sea and upon fowl of heavens and upon cattle and upon all the earth, and upon all the crawls that crawl on the earth. And created HE God the man in HIS shape, into shape God, created HE HIM:" Notice, it is Not They God nor in their shapeS. But the plural is when he is speaking to the heavenly host, which are the angels HE God created before HE God created man. Scripture gives us the names of some members of these legions, one is named Michael, and another is Gabriel.
---Eloy on 5/30/12


Eloy, pardon my ignorance on this.

Your reply to StrongAxe on 5/30/12 got me curious. What/who is the "heavenly host" that you said God was talking to?
---jonweckl on 5/30/12


Eloy:

I was not suggesting polytheism. I was merely echoing the assumption made by many trinitarians who read new testament content back into the old testament (in this case, since God using the plural implying the trinity.


Warwick:

The point I was making is that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all distinct, having different qualities, properties, and attributes. (The Son has a flesh body, the other two do not. Blasphemy against the Son is forgivable, against the Holy Spirit is not. Jesus was born, died, and raised. The Father was not. etc.)
---StrongAxe on 5/30/12


Strongaxe, the Holy Spirit is God in His nature, and has no human body. The Father is God in His nature, and has no human body. Jesus was the only One of the Three Persons who had a human nature and a Divine nature. The human nature was crucified, not His divine nature. His divine nature cannot die for He is God in His nature and God is Spirit. Christ called the Holy Spirit "another Helper" (John 14:16). The word "another" means "of the same kind" in Spirit. The Holy Spirit has all the attributes of God because He is God.
"It is the Spirit who bears witness because the Spirit is the Truth" (1 John 5:6). The Lord Jesus made the same claim in (John 14:6). You didn't know?
---Mark_V. on 5/30/12




StrongAxe, God is God and was God long before He Created, parted the Red Sea, or came to be with man. These things are not His qualities or attributes but that which He has done.

If the Holy Spirit is not the third person of the Trinity who is He?
---Warwick on 5/30/12


strongax, I already detailed the truth of this verse previously: God is talking to the heavenly host, he is Not talking to him self. If he were talking to him self in tsaying "Let us" then that would clearly mean that God is mentally corrupt. The fact is HE was talking to the heavenly host, plain and simple. Note the SINGULAR pronoun in verses 26 and 27: "And said HE God, Let us make man in our shape...And created HE God the man in HIS shape, into shape God, created HE HIM: male and female created HE them." He did Not say, And said THEY God, NOR and created THEY God in THEIR shape, for that would be flasehood as you are professing the lie of polytheism.
---Eloy on 5/30/12


Warwick, A-men. God is pure unadulterated love, and he will not be put into any box of man, and we whom are born from him and do know him, know that he is who he is, and he will do whatsoever he will do, inspite of the incomplete intellect and parameters imagined by some.
---Eloy on 5/29/12


Eloy:

Genesis 1:26: "And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: ..."

Genesis 3:22: "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one OF US..."

Did God speak to himself plus others, like angels? Was man made in the image of God and angels?.



Warwick:

I didn't say the HS isn't a person. I said the HS did not possess ALL the qualities of God.

So which is it?
1) HS was crucified, because Father=Son=HS (Oneness: but see Matthew 12:31, 19:17)
2) HS was not crucified (Trinitarian: so, does not possess every attribute of God)
3) HS was not crucified (JW/SDA: irrelevant, because Jesus is not God)
---StrongAxe on 5/29/12


StrongAxe, the further you are stretched the clearer your nonBiblical beliefs become apparent.

Every description of the Holy Spirit in Scripture testifies to His personhood, and His being the 3rd person of the Godhead.

Biblically speaking blasphemy (Holman Bible Dictionary) "is an attitude of disrespect that finds expression in an act directed against the character of God."-see Leviticus 24:14-16. "Blasphemy involves the actual pronunciation of the name of God along with an attitude of disrespect." That the Holy Spirit can be blasphemed (unforgiveable) means He is God, 3rd person of the Godhead.

That the Holy Spirit did not die upon the cross is irrelevant, as neither did the Father.
---Warwick on 5/29/12


strongax, God never referred to him self as plural, that is falsehood.
---Eloy on 5/29/12


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Eloy:

Whenever the word "elohim" is used in the Old Testament, it is used in two different ways:

1) In the plural, i.e. "gods" (e.g. "worshipping other gods"). It is the plural of "eloah" (god).

2) In the singular, i.e. "God".

God only refers to himself in the plural twice (Genesis 1:26, 3:22), and the singular everywhere else.


Warwick:

Your claim that the Holy Spirit has "all the characteristics of God" is merely an extrapolation. The Holy Spirit did not speak "let there be light". The Holy Spirit was not born to Mary. The Holy Spirit did not descend on itself in front of John the Baptist. The Holy Spirit did not die on the cross.
---StrongAxe on 5/29/12


The Father and HIS Son and HIS Spirit= All Masculine: ONE God. Now in Gnosia when "HE God" makes man in "OUR" shape, he was speaking to the heavenly host. And why the Hebrew word for God is written in the plural Elhim, rather than the singular Elh, corresponds with God's abstract nature: he is omnipresent, all-in-all, much like the Hebrew word "olam", meaning "always", which does not mean that there is more than one "alway", just like "eternity" or "eternal" would be improper to say that there are "eternities" or "eternals", as though there is more than one, when in fact there is Only One Eternity, so likewise Only One God.
---Eloy on 5/28/12


StrongAxe, Trinitarians believe God is 1 in 3 persons: Father, Son, Holy Spirit. As God is 1 it would not follow if the Holy Spirit is not He, as God chooses to call Himself He.

I know the Holy Spirit is referred to as 'it' in the Greek but also as 'parakletos' (John 16:7) which is a male noun. I imagine that is why He is called He/Him in all translations I have seen, even the JW mistranslation.

Relevantly 'parakletos' is also applied to Jesus in 1 John 2:1. There being one 'parakletos' with us, on earth (the Holy Spirit) that we may not sin, and another with the Father (Jesus) if we do sin.

The point I am making is that the Holy Spirit has all the Characteristics of God, is a person, not an impersonal force.
---Warwick on 5/28/12


Warwick:

Yes, that is exactly my point! In such languages. You cannot deduce the gender of an object or person based on the grammatic pronouns used.

Although I can't speak for Greek (having never personally studied it except very superficially), in Hebrew it would be impossible to determine whether God's spirit was masculine, feminine, or neuter by inference from the text. It's hard enough to determine whether God is singular or plural!
---StrongAxe on 5/28/12


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Jerry, not only 'the' Comforter, 'another' Comforter---equal to Christ, yet Spirit...
---micha9344 on 5/27/12


StrongAxe that table is feminine (as it is in French La Table) does not mean it is female. I always think it is quaint that in French beer is feminine, while wine is masculine.

This aside the point is that all the evidence in Scripture is that the Holy Spirit is a person, not an impersonal force.
---Warwick on 5/27/12


Warwick:

My point was that, while one can sometimes deduce the gender of a being in a language with functional gender (like English), one cannot do so in a language with grammatic gender (like Hebrew, German, etc.).

In German, the words Fraeulein and Maedschen, both menaning "young woman" are ALWAYS neuter, while "table" is feminine, exactly the opposite from English.

In Hebrew, "spirit" is always feminine, so Holy Spirit, God's Spirit, etc. in the Old testament are ALWAYS feminine. One could deduce from this that God's spirit is a female person, but such an inference would be wrong (regardless of whether the conclusion reached would be wrong).
---StrongAxe on 5/27/12


Gordon: "Herself"???

My Bible says the Holy Spirit is a "He"!


As for the Trinity being real, how else could Jesus "go to the Father" and "send the Comforter" if they all three were not real?


---jerry6593 on 5/27/12


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Sandy, what Bible are you guys reading? For it is the Holy Spirit who testifies of Christ.
"When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, "He" will bear witness of Me" (John 15:26).
"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away, for If I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you, but If I go, I will send "Him" to you. And "He" when "He" comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and Judgement" ( John 16:7-8).
The Spirit has always been with us, He is a Person who speaks, commands, performs miracles, has emotions or sensibility, and a will, teaches etc.
---Mark_V. on 5/27/12


David,

I'm struggling to be charitable here.

I have a degree in Philosophy, and I am truly trying to understand your argument. As far as I can tell, you can't understand BECAUSE you've enslaved your mind to a heretical belief, namely Arianism, today aka The Watchtower.

I don't believe, and no Trinitarian does, that Jesus is the Father. We do believe, however, that Jesus is YHWH (Philippians 2:6). It is because of this very simple proposition, that's been articulated many times in this blog, that I am mystified why you so clearly write something I don't believe. (However, see the above explanation.)
---Marc on 5/26/12


\\Cluny "Try Again"? I didn't try anything to begin with,I merely ask a question based on what I had learned in College in New Testament Study and what all the sources I have checked say.\\

What you learned wasn't right.

Most colleges have a skewed world view based on western triumphalist assumptions.

And not all Catholics are Roman Catholics. The terms are not synonyms.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/26/12


Cluny "Try Again"? I didn't try anything to begin with,I merely ask a question based on what I had learned in College in New Testament Study and what all the sources I have checked say. They say the RCC was the official church when Constantine made Christianity the official religion of Rome in early 300s. Yes the Greek and Latin,East and West churches split in 1054 but no where can I find the RCC began then,in fact it leads one to think the Orthodox Church began then. According to the RCC they began with Christ,but so do the Orthodox. That wasn't my point,my point was that other denominations don't look to the RCC as having any authority over them,therefore,what it says means nothing to them.
---Darlene_1 on 5/26/12


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Warwick, A-men. I remember before I was given the truth, that I thought God or his Spirit was some kind of invisible ethereal force or power up in the sky. But after I became a born-again child from God and Spirit-filled, I now know that God and his Spirit is my Father, a person- an Almighty force indeed, but moreso he is an Almighty person. The Holy Spirit, Shiloh Shakaun, is called by the personal pronoun "He"(Isaiah 40:13, John 14:26, 15:26, 16:7,8,13-15). Please read Genesis 1:2, 2:7, Matthew 1:18, John 20:22,23.
---Eloy on 5/26/12


Scott,

Watchtower material allows JWs to lie. You've misrepresented what I said about Gesenius, removing the debate's context concerning Moses etc 'seeing God', versus the JW ''improvement'', 'a true vision of God'. Neither Watchtower nor Gesenius can explain this verse. Watchtower must ALTER scripture to make their Johnny-come-lately heresy fit. Gesenius was, as far as can tell, Jewish. This would not necessarily preclude him understanding Jesus was the Person at Exodus 24:10,11, but, as someone who is a Christian Zionist and who has worked and lived in Israel several times, I know chances are small that he'd, as a Jew, see Jesus, as Trinitarians generally believe. See Romans 9. Your tendentious reliance on him must be more circumspect.
---Marc on 5/26/12


StrongAxe, what you have written about gender is irrelevant to what I wrote. BTW it is 'neuter' not "neutral."

Inanimate objects (it) do not teach, remind, testify, speak, or command. Further people are baptized "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." No inanimate objects there.

Biblically speaking blasphemy (Holman Bible Dictionary) "is an attitude of disrespect that finds expression in an act directed against the character of God."-see Leviticus 24:14-16. "Blasphemy involves the actual pronunciation of the name of God along with an attitude of disrespect." That the Holy Spirit can be blasphemed (unforgiveable) means He is God, 3rd person of the Godhead.
---Warwick on 5/25/12


Just to note here, English has no grammatical gender. "The" is the definite article for all genders. There are no masculine or feminine endings on nouns or adjectives.
---Catholicus on 5/25/12


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\\English and some other languages (like Latin) include a neutral gender. Some other languages, like Hebrew, Greek, French, Spanish, etc\\

StrongAxe, Greek indeed has a neutral gender.

"To agio pnevmati" is neuter in Greek.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/25/12


Darlene, please keep in mind that almost all Christians believe in the Trinity today because of the decisions handed down by those first two ecumenical councils. Peace to you!
---Catholicus on 5/24/12


Warwick:

English and some other languages (like Latin) include a neutral gender. Some other languages, like Hebrew, Greek, French, Spanish, etc. do not. In such languages, even inanimate objects must be referred to as "he" or "she", and usually with the gender of the underlying word. For example, in Hebrew, the feminine word "ruach" (wind) is also translated "spirit". Such languages don't have a word for "it" - only "he" and "she".

One thus cannot deduce the personality or gender of non-personal objects merely based on the fact that they use personal pronouns - because EVERYTHING does.
---StrongAxe on 5/24/12


\\Cluny wasn't the Council of Nicaea convened by the Emperor Constantine and weren't the Bishops of the Catholic Church?\\

Nope.

Wrong on three counts.

1. There were not different denominations at that point.

2. All the Bishops who assembled were members of the ORTHODOX Church, and the purpose of the Council was to determine if what the Deacon Arius was saying was in fact consistent with Orthodoxy.

It wasn't.

3. The Roman Catholic Church didn't exist until she fell away from Orthodoxy in 1054.

Try again, Darlene.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/24/12


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The nicene creed, is not the Holy Bible. A creed or "SOF", "Statement (Summary) Of Faith" is to show the commonality of belief of all the members in that congregation. And this is a good thing, Because we do not want one member believing that God is good, and another member believing that he is not: or else one member believing Jesus is sinless and holy, and another member not. But creeds aside, the main foundation should be the Holy Bible for the basis of belief. Both testament read that there is only One God, and he is manifested to be The Son from God, namely, Jesus Christ the Lord God Almighty. Polytheism, or "many gods" is not Judaic nor Christian, but is NonBilical, which is called idolatry and falsehood.
---Eloy on 5/25/12


"The original Symbol of Nicea DID mention the Holy Spirit, contrary to what you claimed." Cluny

The original "Symbol"? What does that even mean?

Catholicus claimed that "If you will take time to read the Nicene Creed, it will describe the Trinity as well as it can be described."

What I "claimed" (and the well-documented history is on my side) was that the trinity was not mentioned in 325 Nicaea and the Holy Spirit, that all Christians believe in, was mentioned but certainly not in terms that, in any way, described its relationship to Father or Son. No equality. No three in one. No Trinity.

A symbol? Really?
---scott on 5/25/12


Cluny wasn't the Council of Nicaea convened by the Emperor Constantine and weren't the Bishops of the Catholic Church? With all due respect to you and the RCC what they have said in the past and what they will say in the future means nothing at all to most of the Denominations who aren't Catholic. Sorry but thats just a fact.
---Darlene_1 on 5/24/12


Trey, recently reminded us of Matthew 12:31,32 where Jesus speaks of blasphemy, saying anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. If, as the WTS claims, the Holy Spirit is only an impersonal force from God, Jesus speaks nonsense. How can an impersonal force be blasphemed?

The answer is that the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead. See Matt. 28.19, John 14:26, 15:26, Acts 5:3-4,13:2,where referring to The Holy Spirit, it says:

People are baptized into His name
He is referred to as he
He is counselor
He teaches
He reminds
He testifies
He speaks
He commands
He calls Himself I
Peter equates lying to Him as lying to God.
We can have fellowship with Him
---Warwick on 5/24/12


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Okay, Moderator, this is your "cue". ,-)
---Gordon on 5/24/12


\\Saying that "we believe in the Holy Spirit" says nothing about it's relationship to the Father or Son or equality or personification.\\

This was not an issue at the Council of Nicea.

My point, however, is that the original Symbol of Nicea DID mention the Holy Spirit, contrary to what you claimed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/24/12


Francis, if that is true, then the question is an excercise of futility. The His mentioned in plenty of other places.

Therefore , it appears to be a different question underneath.
---aka on 5/24/12


Francis I can't give you a Biblical answer why they greeted like that but will share what I wonder could be the reason. As we know the Holy Spirit under the First Covenant was only given to Prophets,Priests,and Kings by anointing with special oil. The Holy Spirit was not yet given to the Christians until after Christ was crucified and arisen,therefore He was not someone the general population of Christians would relate to in the way they did the Father and the Son Jesus,because remember not all Christians had received the Gift of the Holy Ghost even after Christ was risen. Also the Jews would not have related to the HS as they did the Father since only a few in God's service received Him,not everyone and the first Christians were converted Jews.
---Darlene_1 on 5/24/12


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please read the blog post carefully:

the title which the moderator gave to the post: " Explain The Triune Of God"

does not match what the post is actually asking:

"My question is concerning the "triune God". Why in the greetings of many of the epistles in the Bible are only the Father and the Son mentioned and never the Holy Spirit? (eg. 1Cor.1:3 Grace and peace be to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.)"

All she is asking is why do you think that in the salutation, the holy spirit is left out. She is not questioning the existance of the trinity
---francis on 5/24/12


Yes, Scott, and the true doctrine of God as set out by The Watchtower of Americcccca came about 1900 years after Jesus.

Quid pro quo.
---Marc on 5/24/12


trey:

There is no clear teaching about the Trinity in the Bible. The word "trinity" is never mentioned. The Holy Spirit is never referred to as God, only as "the Holy Spirit", "the Spirit of God", etc. Evidently, neither Jesus nor any of the Apostles considered the nuances of this particular doctrine to be important enough to write about clearly.

As such, differences of opinion on this subject are differences of opinion, not fundamental heresies, blasphemies, etc. They are splitting hairs, and not on the level of, say, attributing all of Jesus's miracles to Satan (thus equating the Holy Spirit with the devil), as the Pharisees did.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/12


Scott* That is debatable

You have gone that route using ECF and fail misaerably on that issue! But just for argument sake say none of them taught about God the Father, God the Son and God the HS, there are many writing that they taught about Eucharist, infant baptism and many more doctrine that you do not agree on, How can you say they were right on no such thing as the trinity but wrong on the others?

Scott* but the bigger question is...were those "successors" inspired of God as were the actual Bible writers?

Yes, first of all we do not know who wrote gospel of Matthew, John and Mark nor Hebrews and where in the bible does it tell us which books belong in it?
---Ruben on 5/23/12


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"381 before the third person of the trinity was included. Wrong." Cluny

No...that's exactly right.

Saying that "we believe in the Holy Spirit" says nothing about it's relationship to the Father or Son or equality or personification. No mention of it being one person of a triune God.

What Christian (whether you agree with the Trinitarian doctrine or not) doesn't "believe in the Holy Spirit"? I certainly do. As a matter of fact, I don't know a Christian who does not believe in the Holy Spirit.

It was not until 381 when that sort of language was first introduced.

285 years after the last inspired book of the bible was written.
---cott on 5/23/12


All I have to say is a word of caution to you who question the Holy Ghost as being part of the trinity.

Mt12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mt12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
---trey on 5/22/12


\\Fast forward 56 years to 381 before the third person of the trinity was included.\\

Wrong.

The original Nicene Creed DID include the Holy Spirit, though not in the form the Second Council added. It simply ended, "And in the Holy Spirit."

This, however, was not unprecedented as many local creeds were in Trinitarian form, as you verify in Schaff's CREEDS OF CHRISTENDOM, which book is on line.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/22/12


"The original Nicene creed of 325 does have 'And the Holy Ghost' on it..." Ruben

Yes but nothing is said about the relationship of the HS to the Father or Son...certainly no mention of equality or a three in one.

"We have tons of written letters from the apostles successors about the Trinity!" Ruben

That is debatable but the bigger question is...were those "successors" inspired of God as were the actual Bible writers?

And since there are no autographs (originals) of either the inspired biblical manuscripts or the church "father' writings, which ones would more likely survive unadulterated...what God had inspired or the commentary of uninspired men that followed?
---Scott on 5/22/12


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Scott, you are quite right, and I'm aware. The Nicene- Constantinoplian Creed is generally referred to as the Nicene Creed for easy of reference. Peace to you.
---Catholicus on 5/22/12


Not in the original Nicene creed of 325.

Fast forward 56 years to 381 before the third person of the trinity was included.

That's some 285 years after the last inspired book of the bible was written and all of the apostles were gone.

Yes. Two hundred and eighty five years.
---Scott on 5/22/12

Scott,

The original Nicene creed of 325 does have 'And the Holy Ghost' on it, besides the books of the bible were not complied until the late 3rd and early 4th century well after the apostles were gone. Neither them nor Jesus mention anything about any books been put together in the near future but we have tons of written letters from the apostles successors about the Trinity!
---Ruben on 5/22/12


The first Commandment Hear O Israel the Lord your God is one Lord. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus. There's many verses saying there is only one God and yet many denominations teach a trinity God. Which are we to believe,trinity doctrine or God's Word? No contest God's Word of course. When only Father and Son is mentioned to me it shows God didn't show a trinity was in effect in the same way God and Christ are. it is a puzzle but Revelations 4:2 tells us there is a throne which says one throne to me and one sits on the throne,yet it says Jesus sat down with his Father on the throne Rev 3:21. That sounds more like one God as the Bible says. Perhaps our limited minds can't grasp it all.
---Darlene_1 on 5/22/12


Lawrence, Yes, GOD is ONE, indeed. Three Divine Persons in ONE Unit. Just like a father, a mother and a child make "one" family. As a man is to leave his father and mother and to marry his wife, then, the two become as "one" flesh. Two persons as "one". GOD is truly Three Persons as ONE. When YAHUSHUA (JESUS) was baptized, the Voice of the Father spoke from Heaven and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him as a "Dove". Three different Persons in one occasion. It's not just GOD making "one man" in HIS Image. It was the family unit that is GOD's design in HIS Image.
---Gordon on 5/22/12


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"If you will take time to read the Nicene Creed, it will describe the Trinity as well as it can be described." Catholicus


Not in the original Nicene creed of 325.


Fast forward 56 years to 381 before the third person of the trinity was included.

That's some 285 years after the last inspired book of the bible was written and all of the apostles were gone.

Yes. Two hundred and eighty five years.
---Scott on 5/22/12


Lawrence, Noah was before Abraham,does that make him god too?
---1st_cliff on 5/22/12


NO such a thing as a tri-une godhead ( 2nd.Cor.11 v 14 says there is ) & Most trinity people believe it beginning with the r c church).
God Is One.
I even am One. I'm a father to my 2 daughters, I'm a son to my parents & I'm a recipient of social security. Lawrence Nemeth Is my name.
What is The name of God ?, Jesus Christ. Jesus said, before Abraham was, I am. That make Him God !
---Lawrence on 5/22/12


The HOLY SPIRIT does not call attention to Herself. The HOLY SPIRIT points us to the Father through the Son. The Goal is for us to receive soul-Redemption through the Son, be indwelt by the Presence and Power of the Holy Spirit to live in Relationship with the Triune GOD-Head and according to the Will of the Father. Actually, that Will is in accordance with all Three of the Triune GOD-Head.
---Gordon on 5/22/12


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Acts 5:3b ...lie to the Holy Ghost...
John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost...he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance...
--I have never heard the Internet nor the radio refered to as "he."
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Mat 28:19b ...in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Acts 9:31b and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.
Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
--what makes one a person rather than personified?
---micha9344 on 5/22/12


1st Cliff, you are not alone in believing that assertion. but I must tell you it is incorrect. Peace to you.
---Catholicus on 5/21/12


willie c, A-men.
---Eloy on 5/21/12


\\He was raised under the strictest Pharisees. Thus he would be accustomed to saying:
"Greetings in the name of God our Father." \\

Once more Eloy shows his ignorance.

This is not how the Pharisees spoke, as can be seen in quotes from early post-Christian Jewish writings.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/12


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But, as aka says, the Holy Spirit is named in 2 Corinthians 13:14 > "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen." Communion includes how we are one, joined together by God in His love. God Himself does this, as the Holy Spirit who shares God's own love with us, "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5). Only God can be the Spirit of His own love.
---willie_c: on 5/21/12


The Nicene creed was written to placate the trinitarian since the bible does not support a "triune god"
No way is the Holy Spirit a person but the power used by God and his Son to accomplish their will!
Personalization does not make it a person per se.
"The radio says rain tonight" (the radio doesn't "say" anything)
"The internet taught me a new language" (Really?)
---1st_cliff on 5/21/12


Francis, there is an implicit questioning. Otherwise the questioner would not have put the phrase triune God in quotes.
---Catholicus on 5/20/12


Paul wrote most of the New Testament. He was raised under the strictest Pharisees. Thus he would be accustomed to saying:
"Greetings in the name of God our Father." But after he became a Christian saint, being redeemed by Christ himself, he could now add greetings:
"in the Son Jesus Christ". But the Holy Spirit is God, which is the Spirit of Christ. The epistle of I Peter opens by greeting with the Holy Spirit: "Peter, an apostle of JESUS CHRIST, to the exiles of the dispersion scattered throughout..., elect according to the foreknowledge of God the FATHER, through sanctification of the SPIRIT, onto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of JESUS CHRIST: Grace to you, and peace be multiplied." I Pt.1:1,2.
---Eloy on 5/20/12


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This blog is not questioning the trinity. It ask why is it that only THE FATHER and THE SON are menioned in the greetings, and not the spirit. Having mentioned all three it does acknowledge the trinity.
---francis on 5/20/12


\\If you will take time to read the Nicene Creed, it will describe the Trinity as well as it can be described.
---Catholicus on 5/19/12\\

It also will exclude some other descriptions as false.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/12


Sandy_G: God always has an answer (explanation) for anyone who diligently seeks Him.

Reference 1 Cor. 1:3. When I read it, I see the "Triune God" prominently on display in the persons of Father, Son & Holy Spirit (GRACE). Grace is a peace offering, a gift from God given to all believers. "Grace is God" divinely influencing the hearts (souls/minds) of believer's. He's reflected in the daily lives of the redeemed/born again. (Matt. 5:14-16)

The Father initiated the plan of redemption. The Son implemented & fulfilled the plan & the Grace of God (Holy Spirit/Comforter) augments (magnifies) the plan. (Jn. 14:25-27, Eph. 2:8)

Hope this helps. :)
---Leon on 5/19/12


If you will take time to read the Nicene Creed, it will describe the Trinity as well as it can be described.
---Catholicus on 5/19/12


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The "Grace and peace" being ministered to us is through the Holy Spirit who is in us. So, the main thing to do when reading this is not only to be thinking of what to believe, but deeply be receiving the grace and peace being ministered, by submitting to the Holy Spirit.

"The grace and peace is the ministration of the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is being mentioned."

"Now the Lord is that Spirit," we have in (2 Corinthians 4:5). So, the Holy Spirit is the LORD who is God. We can see this through Romans 5:5 > only God can be the Spirit of His own love "in our hearts", I consider.

So, more than seeking explanation, we need to submit and receive this grace and peace in His love.
---willie_c: on 5/19/12


I didn't know that the salutation had to contain all the doctrine we follow.

there is no "triune God". there are three spirits that make up one divinity or godliness.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
---aka on 5/19/12


A triune god only exists in the minds of pagans!
Like Isis Horus and Set (Egyptian trinity) or Brahma Vishnu and Siva (Hindu)
There's only "One" Almighty God Deut.6.3 and he has a Son Jesus christ!
Too simple for the Evangelical fundamentalist!

Oh no they have to muddy it all up with homoousios,hypo static-union psychobabble invented to support their false doctrine!
---1st_cliff on 5/19/12


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