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Quotes From The Old Testament

Most of the New Testament Authors quoted extensively from the Old Testament, indicating its applicability to Christians. Can someone please show me the text that states that ONLY those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians?

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Francis,

In your reply to Rob on 6/3/12, you said "a church that teach all 10 commandments..."

What about "baptism"? Is it a commandment? "Go ye... teach all nations.. baptizing them..." (Mat.28:19) -- So, that's +1... so that would now make it 11? Or do you not teach baptism as a commandment?

My point (beyond this sarcasm) is: You created a belief by mixing the 10Cs -- the law of moses, and the commandments given by Christ in the gospel. But there is no such thing.

Nowhere in the bible can you read that these two laws have been "merged" and is what should be followed now.
---jonweckl on 6/5/12


jonweckl: Let me ask you a few questions:

Who wrote the Ten Commandments?

Is He your God whom you claim to obey?

Does He expect us to keep them or was it all a big misunderstanding, a mistake or a joke?

Where in the NT do you find scriptural support for ignoring the OT and disobedience to God?


---jerry6593 on 6/5/12


---Rob on 6/3/12
If you scroll down, you will see that I have answered FIVE of your questions without you answering any of mine.

So here is my question

Did your parents ask you to become a SDA?
---francis on 6/4/12


Francis on 6/1/12 "I have No idea what you are trying to sya try again."

Since you simply won't answer my simple question, I will post it myself.

Exo.20:1-17 -- This is the 10Cs would you agree?

Let's focus on v.9 and 10 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath,,,in it you shall not do any work.."

Will you agree that this is the law on sabbath keeping as commanded in the 10Cs?
---jonweckl on 6/4/12


Rob: "Jerry, when Christ said "IT IS FINISHED", Christ fulfilled the LAW. You reject this because you reject Christ."

You are consistent in your falsehoods as well as in your misunderstanding of scripture. Just think a minute. How does one FULFILL "Thou shalt not kill"? Is the law against killing now removed? Did Jesus indeed destroy the Law right after He said "Think not that I have come to destroy the Law"? No! Rather, Jesus fulfilled the prophecy that the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth" would pay (fulfill) the penalty for the sins of all who accept Him.

It seems that it is YOU who call Jesus a liar and reject His sacrifice.

---jerry6593 on 6/4/12




---Rob on 6/3/12
If you scroll down, you will see that I have answered FIVE of your questions without you answering any of mine.

So here is my question

Did your parents ask you to become a SDA?
---francis on 6/3/12


Why is it so difficult for you to answer the question where you place your faith and trust?
---Rob on 6/3/12

I trust God, I put my faith in God and his son.
Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

I was not around when God created the universe. I trust God's word that in six days he made heaven and earth

So I show my faith in him by resting on the sabbath as he commanded me because he created in six dfays

You call that false doctrine?
You do not trust God that he did create heaven and earth in six days and rested the 7th?

Rob how do you show your faith that God is the creator?
---francis on 6/3/12


Francis, in the past I shared strait from Scripture the difference between a child rebelling against their parents and REJECTING FALSE TEACHING.

Back then you ran and are still running from this like it is a plague.

Why do you run from TRUTH? Could it be because you REJECT and HATE TRUTH?

For those who may have missed it, and to remind Francis, I shared what is written in Ephesians 6:1-4. This passage tells children to obey their parents IN THE LORD, and for fathers bring up their children IN THE LORD, not some WACKED OUT CULT.

Francis, I am a Christian. I place my faith and trust in Christ.

Why is it so difficult for you to answer the question where you place your faith and trust?
---Rob on 6/3/12



Also, why is it you continue to try and twist a persons rejecting FALSE TEACHING, into their rebelling against their parents?
---Rob on 6/3/12
Just answer the question:
Did your parents ask you to become a SDA?

What false doctine: That we should keep the ten commandments?

In rebelion against your parents, and obviously God, you rejected a church that teach all 10 commandments, and choose a church that teaches 9/10. Not because you believe in the 9 commandments only false doctrines that you teach, but because you are still a rebelious boy
---francis on 6/3/12


Jerry, when Christ said "IT IS FINISHED", Christ fulfilled the LAW. You reject this because you reject Christ.

You asked what do I think they are calling me in Heaven? They are calling me a Saint, and they are calling me Saved. This is because I have placed my faith and trust in Christ.

Now let me ask what do you think they are calling you in Heaven?

Francis, regarding the two questions I asked you on 6/2/12, you are showing you lack the mental and intellectual capacity to answer simple questions.

Also, why is it you continue to try and twist a persons rejecting FALSE TEACHING, into their rebelling against their parents?
---Rob on 6/3/12




Rob: It is you, and not Francis, who is the false witness. If you followed Christ, as you claim you do, you would heed His own words:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What do you think they are calling you in heaven?


---jerry6593 on 6/3/12


Now let me ask you if you are a Christian who has placed their trust and faith in Christ Jesus?
---Rob on 6/2/12

Placing your faith in Jesus, does not mean that you live in sin. It means that you are now able by the power of christ in you to be obedient to the law of God which is written in your heart

I will ignore that Ellen White comment. I know you have mother/ women authority issues. But God has called many women including ellen white to be his prophets.
---francis on 6/2/12


James 2:8_10 "If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

Galatians 5:14 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Rob, you too are convinced as transgressor..., or are you above the royal law?
---Nana on 6/2/12


Rob on 6/2/12
It is unimaginable to think that any parent who is a SDA would not encourage thier teenage children to be SDA also.
Even if the child was adopted, the parents would encourage the child to hold the same beliefs as they do especially SDA.

If they were responsible for FEEDING you, I am sure that when they fed you, they fed you biblically, clean foods only.

So i am 100% sure that you rebelled against your parents love and instructions

That is not a lie tell the truth!!!
---francis on 6/2/12


So Francis, you like everyone else is guilty of sin.

Now let me ask you if you are a Christian who has placed their trust and faith in Christ Jesus?

Or are you a Seventh Day Adventist, who has placed their trust and faith in Ellen G. White?
---Rob on 6/2/12


---Rob on 6/2/12
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother


Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet

And to break ONE is to be guilty of sin, does not matter which you break because HE THAT SAID (GOD), said them all.
---francis on 6/2/12


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Francis, why do you keep harping on the 10 Commandments, and say others are to keep them, when you don't keep them yourself.

Over and over again, lies told by yourself, and how you bear false witness has been exposed and proven many times.

Remember, if you break just one commandment you have broken them all.

I am waiting for a response so we all can see what lie you will now tell, or how you will try to draw attention away from yourself and the fact you don't keep the 10 commandments.
---Rob on 6/2/12


---James_L on 6/1/12
Matthew 22:37 Thou shalt LOVE the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Matthew 22:39 Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

1 John 4:8 for God is LOVE.

The foundation of God's law, and God's government is LOVE. Love is carried out, when we keep the commandments of God. If you keep the commandments then you have met / FULFILLED the requirements of the law and have shown LOVE to your neighbour

"ALL Things Are Lawful" is NOT biblical doctrine, it was a popular pagan phrase. Paul uses it to show that all things are not of God, and we must control our behaviour
---francis on 6/2/12


James L, you have given very good answers to Jerry and francis. Do not be surprise if you get another 8 passages so that you are not able to answer in 125 words. The Old Testament has been mentioned over and over. I told francis he had to think ahead, get out of the old, but he refuses. Jerry doesn't like Paul but was ok with Peter. They need to be freed. They don't know what freedom is. It would be ok if they wanted to stay that way under the yoke, but that's not enough, they want everyone to stay in bondage with them. Christians know better then to refuse the Lord Jesus help.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/12


JamesL: "i STILL predict silence on the matter"

And once again I prove you WRONG. My responses prove your prediction of silence to be false. A reasonable person would have understood that.

An now for your questions:

1) Love fulfills the Law -

If you love God, you will keep the first 4 Commandments. If you love your neighbor, you will keep the last 6.

2) All things are lawful -

Context James, context! Paul was talking about lawsuits (1Co 6:12) and about meat offered to idols (1Co 10:23), not violation of the 10 Commandments.

Paul never preached that murder, adultery, etc. were lawful for Christians. Yours is a childish, self-certered interpretation.


---jerry6593 on 6/2/12


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\\JamesL: Your false claims and avalance of question marks notwithstanding, I hereby falsify your prediction of my silence....I referenced 2Pe 3:16\\
---jerry6593 on 6/1/12


You did NOT nullify my prediction, you fulfilled it. I asked you two very specific questions, and you answered neither of them. You think you're fooling people with your dodge tactics?


Tell us, great teacher of the Law, what did Paul mean when he said that love fulfills the Law? What did he mean by "ALL Things Are Lawful"

????

???

??

?

i STILL predict silence on the matter
---James_L on 6/1/12


People are confusing the scriptures of the OLD TESTEMENT with the old covenant found in Exodus 19. The covenant which the bible say was done away with is the agreement between Israel and God that God would be their God, and they would in turn obey all that God said.
when we see the words " it is written" or " thus said the lord" or "scripture" in the books of the new testement, it is referring only to what was wrotten in the books of the old testement.
If we were to count the number of time the new testement said " it is written" or " thus said the lord" or scripture" we would realize that over 99% of what is in the books of the new testement is strait out of the old testement books
---francis on 6/1/12


Too many people are talking about " rest in the lord" as a replacement for the sabbath.

Psalms 37:5 Commit thy way unto the LORD, trust also in him,... Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him:

So rest in the lord is an OT doctrine (also NT) but it does not mean that Jesus replaced the 7th day as sabbath

If Jesus replaced the sabath today, dare anyone tell me WHY in the new earth we will have BOTH Jesus and sabbath

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make... it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
---francis on 6/1/12


There is nothing in the bible which sys that the BOOKS of the OT and the BOOK of the NT must be seperated.

What I see here is people not being able to draw a difference between the old covenant in Exodus 19, and the new covenant which started with christ on the cross.

Too many think that what is written in the books of the OT does not apply to us today.
That could not be further from the truth. I gaurantee that with the exceptionof a few verses in revelation, and in Jude, all doctrine in books of NT is taken from the old

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines
---francis on 6/1/12


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What Jesus did on the cross only purified THE FLESH, BUT, Jesus also gave us the "ETERNAL" SPIRIT of God so that as good students we can learn to do things right and have a clear conscience every day.

John 7:39 "the Spirit had not yet been given".

Hebrews 9:14 "through the eternal spirit.....purify your conscience"...eternal LIFE.

Galatians 6:8 "but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life".

The Israelites did not have the FINAL SIN SACRIFICE and will never enter the ETERNAL SABBATH REST in Jesus.

Hebrews 4:3 "They shall never enter my rest"......(although his works were finished from the foundation of the world).
---more_excellent_way on 6/1/12


The Holy Spirit was not ABSENT in O.T. times. In MOSAIC LAW, their was no "personal" devotion (no "spirit"/heart). Because King David was a man after God's own heart, David was given the wisdom to understand from the Jewish scriptures in Isaiah 53 that He should place himself spiritually INSIDE the 'eternal' promised messiah (the meaning of being "IN CHRIST" is that we should be living INSIDE of Him spiritually....spirits in Christ have no gender, Galatians 3:28).

Mark 12:36 "David himself, inspired by the Holy Spirit, declared, 'The Lord said to my Lord
"Sit at my right hand".

God did things for THE SOUL, He does not intend to satisfy the intellect with 'book logic' or rationality.
---more_excellent_way on 6/1/12


there isn't anyting in the contexts of those verses which would support your false teaching, either.
---James_L on 5/31/
Do you realize that from these various CONTEXT what i posted was the ten commandments?




Since, as you said, he added no more, it implies that the commands given in the 10Cs is as is. It's complete. Unless you now believe that when God gave the 10Cs it's not complete and now needs extra words from Christ to explain it.
---jonweckl on 6/1/12

I have No idea what you are trying to sya try again
Since when is keeping all ten commandments fasle doctrine
---francis on 6/1/12


The most important understanding of the connection between the O.T. and N.T. is that now God's spirit as the ETERNAL spirit (from the age of ETERNITY) that provides ETERNAL "life".

With the help of priests and by an earthly sanctuary, the Jews had to make animal sacrifices and give offerings to God in order to receive purification for "sin", but this purification was only temporary (it was not ETERNAL purification) and had to be repeated year after year on the day of atonement (Hebrews 1:3).
---more_excellent_way on 6/1/12


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Hebrews 1:3 explains that Jesus made "purification" (ETERNAL PURIFICATION, God is eternal, OUR worship/relationship is supposed to be to 'GOD ETERNAL', at that time, humanity was not in the AGE of eternity).

The Jews had to repeatedly make sacrifices ("the blood of bulls and goats"),...the rituals were a good devotional 'gesture', but really offered no SOUL-REDEEMING value (no 'heart'/conscience).

Hebrews 10:4 "it is impossible that the blood of bulls and should take away sins".

Even with the gifts and sacrifices being offered, the CONSCIENCE could not be purified....

Hebrews 9:9 "gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper".
---more_excellent_way on 6/1/12


Francis > "What i showed you was all TEN COMMANDMENTS in the books of the NT."

No. Wrong again. What you showed were teachings of Christ which you distort to make it look like the 10Cs. Get your laws straightened out. You try to defend the 10Cs but you're quoting from Christ's teachings. If you want to defend the 10Cs quote from the 10Cs. You used this before "...and he added NO MORE." (Deut.5:22)

Since, as you said, he added no more, it implies that the commands given in the 10Cs is as is. It's complete. Unless you now believe that when God gave the 10Cs it's not complete and now needs extra words from Christ to explain it.
---jonweckl on 6/1/12


JamesL: Your false claims and avalance of question marks notwithstanding, I hereby falsify your prediction of my silence. I never said that Paul lied, as you have claimed, but instead I referenced 2Pe 3:16, and wrongfully assumed that you were enough of a scholar to understand it. Peter asserts that many (apparently you included) have twisted Paul's writings to their own destruction. If I were to use your tactics, I would accuse you of calling Jesus a liar!


---jerry6593 on 6/1/12


Many times I have shared the best way to study and examine scripture in book by book, chapter by chapter, and verse by verse.

I also shared a person should ask and answer the questions WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and TOO WHOM, the scripture was written.

It is apparent they are a few people on thse blogs who are lacking the mental and intellectual capacity and ability to do this.
---Rob on 6/1/12


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francis,

there isn't anything that nullifies those verses.

BUT,

there isn't anyting in the contexts of those verses which would support your false teaching, either.

You pick out 6 words in the middle of an entire chapter, and claim to see a "truth" that is foreign to the context of the passage.

Get in context, and we can talk. Stay out of context, and all you'll have is empty arguments and accusations
---James_L on 5/31/12


Jerry6593 on 5/30/12 > "Sorry Folks, but no one has yet offered a scripture.."

What i can say is this:

Heb.7:12 says there was a change of the law. So the efficacy / applicability of the former law has ceased. But notice, there was "a change" -- meaning the former was changed / replaced by a new law.

Heb.1:2 tells us that in the last days God speaks to us by His Son, further "reinforced" in Mat.17:5 when God said "this is my Son... HEAR YE HIM." So, in the last days, who do we listen to? -- the Son.

So, when Christ gives a command, christians obey it because it was commanded by Christ, and NOT because it is somehow similar to a commandment in the old law.
---jonweckl on 6/1/12


I went through the first few and showed the context, proving that you cherry-picked only a portion of a few verses that seemed convenient for your false doctrine.
---James_L on 5/31/12

What i showed you was all TEN COMMANDMENTS in the books of the NT.

1 Cor 8:6 there is but one God,
1 Cor10:14 flee from idolatry.
1 Timothy 6:1 the name of God.. be not blasphemed.
Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet

In what context can anyone break any of the ten commandments?
---francis on 5/31/12


I went through the first few and showed the context,
---James_L on 5/31/12

under what CONTEX can we cancell these:

1 Cor 8:6 there is but one God,
1 Cor10:14 flee from idolatry.
1 Timothy 6:1 the name of God.. be not blasphemed.
Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet

Show me one context: person, place, thing, event or subject, which nulifies the above verses. In what context can God's name be blasphemed, in what context can we worship idol, or have more than one God, or commit adultery?
---francis on 5/31/12


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Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law

Why do those here teach Paul contridicts himself. When we love others we do not steal, lie, murder, covet, we obey our parents or commit adultery. Love goes beyond the letter to fullfill the Spirit of the law which is love to others.

But when we love others does that mean we do not also love GOD? If love to others causeing us to follow above and beyound the law should not love to GOD do the same?
---Samuel on 5/31/12


francis,
did you get too much sun today?

I already quoted from Romans 13 showing that LOVE is the fulfillment of the commandments. Jesus said "I give you a new commandment - that you love one another

I already showed verses from 1Corinthians 8 & 10 that showed the context is LIBERTY to eat and drink. BUT, there is admonishment to be careful not to make our liberty the cause of someone else's stumbling.

ALL things are lawful, as it is written

But instead of attempting to refute, you continue to ask silly questions as if you're ignorant of what I wrote.

You and your cohorts are a brood of vipers, and white-washed tombs full of dead mens' bones

Preaching a different gospel, you are accursed
---James_L on 5/31/12


\\Is Paul your God?\\
---jerry6593

Rejecting Paul's letters as scripture now? That'a a common tactic of those who have no answer.

\\Peter wrote of you in 2Pe 3:16.\\
---jerry6593

Since you reject Paul's letters as authoritative, why should it matter what Peter thought of those who don't understand the things that Paul wrote?You're floundering, jerry

since all you have is empty accusations, and no rebuttal, then you are the one who doesn't undertstand what Paul wrote.

Tell us, great teacher of the Law, what did Paul mean when he said that love fulfills the Law? What did he mean by "ALL Things Are Lawful"

????

???

??

?

i predict silence on the matter
---James_L on 5/31/12


I went through the first few and showed the context,
---James_L on 5/31/12

under what CONTEX can we cancell these:

1 Cor 8:6 there is but one God,
1 Cor10:14 flee from idolatry.
1 Timothy 6:1 the name of God.. be not blasphemed.
Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet

Show me one context: person, place, thing, event or subject, which nulifies the above verses. In what context can God's name be blasphemed, in what context can we worship idol, or have more than one God, or commit adultery?
---francis on 5/31/12


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\\The new testements says that God's peopel are those who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and have faith in Jesus
---francis on 5/31/12\\

And even SDAs admit they do not keep ALL the commandments of God, but pick and choose.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/31/12


\\Sorry you are wrong\\
---francis on 5/31/12


Well, if I'm wrong, then you should have been able to demonstrate how.

I went through the first few and showed the context, proving that you cherry-picked only a portion of a few verses that seemed convenient for your false doctrine.

Why not respond to the truth that I presented?

Instead you simply say I'm wrong without the slightest attenpt to show how.

Then you want to start throwning out a half dozen other passages.

Like I said to you before - If You Want A Seious Answer To Your Error, Then STOP Throwing Out 6-8 Passages in One Post. It takes space to respond to each

more space to refute your error than it does for you to purport it
---James_L on 5/31/12


---James_L on 5/31/12
Sorry you are wrong

Revelation 12:17 her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.


The new testements says that God's peopel are those who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and have faith in Jesus
---francis on 5/31/12


James L: "I wonder why it is that you can't find a scripture to rebut Paul's words that we are free from the Law ???"

Is Paul your God? My God said:

Mat 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Peter wrote of you in 2Pe 3:16.


---jerry6593 on 5/31/12


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francis,
it is utterly despicable for you to quote only that part of a verse which is convenient for your false doctrine

Why don't you quote a few verses on either side of those that you cherry-picked ??

Rom 13:8-10
8) Owe Nothing To Anyone Except To Love....HE WHO LOVES HIS NEIGHBOR HAS FULFILLED THE LAW

9) For this, "You shall not....." And If There Is Any Other Commandment, IT IS SUMMED UP in this...

10) Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore LOVE IS A FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW


1Cor 8:4-9
4) Concerning food sacrificed to idols

6) there is but one God

7) But food will not commend us to God

9) this LIBERTY of yours...
---James_L on 5/31/12


francis (part 2)

1Cor 10 continues from chapter 8

10:13) God is faithful

14) Therefore, flee from idolatry

20) the Gentiles sacrifice....to demons and not God

23) ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL, but not all things edify

25) Eat anything that is sold

28) but if anyone says, "this is meat sacrificed to idols," do not eat it FOR THE SAKE OF THE ONE WHO INFORMED YOU

29) for the other man's conscience

31) WHETHER YOU EAT OR DRINK, do all to the glory of God


Where's the commandment here ??????


You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
---James_L on 5/31/12


There is ZERO law that a Christian is bound to
---James_L on 5/30/12

Not even these:
1 Cor 8:6 there is but one God,
1 Cor10:14 flee from idolatry.
1 Timothy 6:1 the name of God.. be not blasphemed.
Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet,
---francis on 5/30/12


Yes, Matthew chapter 5:20-48, and the book of Galatians.
---Eloy on 5/30/12


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\\Sorry Folks, but no one has yet offered a scripture...\\
---jerry6593 on 5/30/12


I wonder why it is that you can't find a scripture to rebut Paul's words that we are free from the Law ???

You keep screaming and crying foul, but all you are is a pot calling the kettle black.

This is the second thread in which I have posted MULTIPLE scriptures saying that the Law is DONE for a believer in Christ. Where is YOUR answer, you hypocrite ???

Ceremonial, moral, pick and choose law, whatever you want to call it,

There is ZERO law that a Christian is bound to

We are bound to Christ through the Spirit, not the letter
---James_L on 5/30/12


Francis, do you not understand (or refuse to understand) the story in ch.13?

v.43 which you mention happened after Saul had preached the gospel of salvation to the jews and proselytes. So, in the beginning, before Saul started preaching, those in the synagogues were jews and proselytes. -- not christians assembling on a sabbath as you insist.

Then, when the "meeting" ended, these jews and proselytes followed. There is no mention whether they have become christians. What we can deduce is that they want to hear more of the apostles preachings.
---jonweckl on 5/30/12


Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

The church was well established in Antioch before paul came

Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

So now we have some people who have accepted Jesus, have accepted the grace of God, worshiping on the sabbath, and paul encourages them to CONTINUE in the graceof God. meaning thatthey had already satrted in the grace of God- jesus
---francis on 5/30/12


\\So riddle me this: If the church was meeting every sunday, why did they not meet THE NEXT DAY, WHy did they have to meet NEXT SABBATH?
---francis on 5/29/12\\

As someone has already said, there was not a church there at that time.

Gentile pagans had NO weekly gathering corresponding to the Jewish sabbath.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/12


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\\Christ death on the cross is the sacrofice for all SDA\\

In other words, the SDA does NOT obey the commandment about offering burnt sacrifices.

So there are at least SOME of the Commandments of God, i.e. those relating to burn sacrifices, the SDA does NOT obey.

Why? I thought you believed that we must follow ALL of God's commandments. At least, that's what you keep telling us, when apparently you don't really keep them all yourselves.

Please explain!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/12


Francis on 5/30/12

Be careful in adding to what is not written in the scripture.

"these were christians worshiping and keeping the sabbath." -- Where does it say that?

In other versions of the bible, the "religious proselytes" are worded as "devout converts to Judaism."

"it was because they had accepted Jesus as saviour"

-- If you read carefully, from v.17-38, Paul was speaking of the principles of the doctrine of Christ. "...through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: and by him all that believe..." Paul was only beginning to preach to the jews and proselytes in the synagogues on that particular sabbath the gospel on salvation.
---jonweckl on 5/30/12


jonweckl on 5/30/1

Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

These Jews and religious proselytes are not traveling with Paul. These are christians who live in the area who like all christians of the time was worship in the synagogue on sabbath
---francis on 5/30/12


Francis, are you using Acts.13:42-44 as basis for your question "If the church was meeting every sunday...." ?

This was not a church gathering... i.e. it was not a gathering of christians. Paul and his companions were sent forth by the Holy Ghost to preach about the gospel to the jews. And because they knew that the jews would be in the synagogue on a sabbath, that's why they went into the synagogue during those days. But, again, not to preach about the 10Cs but about the gospel -- the word of salvation.
---jonweckl on 5/30/12


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---jonweckl on 5/29/12

Be a more careful reader:

Acts 13:42 the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.


"the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God." these were christians worshiping and keeping the sabbath.

That is the only group to whom paul could have said CONTINUE in the grace, and it was because they had accepted Jesus as saviour
---francis on 5/30/12


Sorry Folks, but no one has yet offered a scripture stating that ONLY those things from the Old Testament that are repeated in the New Testament are applicable to Christians. Why not? Could it be that there isn't one?


---jerry6593 on 5/30/12


---Cluny on 5/29/12
Hebrews 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation.

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building,

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].

Christ death on the cross is the sacrofice for all SDA

So riddle me this: If the church was meeting every sunday, why did they not meet THE NEXT DAY, WHy did they have to meet NEXT SABBATH?
---francis on 5/29/12


Francis> "The gentiles had no issues with gathering on the sabbath"

Because they didn't have a "Francis" to keep hogging them that about keeping the 7th day sabbath.

First, the apostles enter the synagogues on sabbath because they know that in that day all the jews will be in the synagogue, hence a perfect time to preach the word of God. As Acts13:46 said, it was necessary that the word of God should first be spoken to the jews. The gentiles besought to come to the synagogues the next sabbath not because they are observing the sabbath law, but because they want to hear more of the word of God from the apostles and they know that the apostles will be in the synagogues on the sabbath.
---jonweckl on 5/29/12


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\\Does your "spirit" encourage you to break God's Law?\\
---jerry6593 on 5/29/12

No, Jerry, The FLESH encourages us to break God's Law.

But it only works if you're trying to force your flesh to "observe" the Law

Romans 7:4-5
Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead....

For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.

VERSE 6
But Now We Have Been Released From The Law


Galatians 6:8
those who sow to the flesh (Law - verse 13) will die
---James_L on 5/30/12


\\So riddle me this: If the church was meeting every sunday, why did they not meet THE NEXT DAY, WHy did they have to meet NEXT SABBATH?
---francis on 5/29/12\\

Answer my question first.

Since you brought up the issue of the Gentiles offering burnt sacrifices and incense, where does the SDA do these things?

Please answer without deflecting.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/29/12


Sabbath ws not a foriegn concept to gentiles. \\

Yes, it was, !
---Cluny on 5/29/12
Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Looks to me like the whole city knew when sabbath was and showed up

So riddle me this: If the church was meeting every sunday, why did they not meet THE NEXT DAY, WHy did they have to meet NEXT SABBATH?
---francis on 5/29/12


\\Sabbath ws not a foriegn concept to gentiles. \\

Yes, it was, as was discovered by the former SDA minister, Canfield.

There was NOTHING in paganism corresponding to the Jewish Sabbath.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/29/12


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You've repeatedly made this helpless attempt to claim that Gentiles are bound to the Saturday Sabbath.
---Cluny on 5/29/12
Sabbath ws not a foriegn concept to gentiles. What was foriegn to them was God's people gathering on sunday.

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

The gentiles had no issues with gathering on the sabbath

so why do you?
---francis on 5/29/12


Snappy comebacks from the SDA's.
I must have hit a nerve.
Misinterpretation? the context of each verse will show if I have What laws do Christians follow as the true law of God? the perfect law of liberty that is written on believers hearts?
Love thy God, Love thy neighbour, which was hinted at in my previous post.
We haven't even gotten into the ministration of death written on table of stone...
Law of Death? Law of Liberty?
The choice is yours..
We know what some on here have chosen.
---micha9344 on 5/29/12


\\4: For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Acts 15:21 \\

You've repeatedly made this helpless attempt to claim that Gentiles are bound to the Saturday Sabbath.

A careful reading of it shows that it does no such thing. You're merely indulging in eisogesis. It clearly means, "Let the unbelieving Jews follow Moses. Let the Gentiles obey Jesus."

Glory to Jesus Christ
---Cluny on 5/29/12


Jesus Himself says, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God," in Matthew 4:4. So, every word of the Bible is for us to live by.

The earlier scriptures include commandments of death penalties and animal blood sacrifices.

So, Jerry, how do you understand that these apply? Do you practice all the death penalty and animal sacrifice commandments? Or, how do you apply them? since these are God's words, and Jesus says to live by every word?
---willie_c: on 5/29/12


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micha: "By pushing the law, they belittle the work of the Holy Spirit in the believers' lives."

Does your "spirit" encourage you to break God's Law?

Isa 8:20 To the LAW and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Why would you trust your own misinterpretation of Paul's writings more than the direct words of Jesus?


---jerry6593 on 5/29/12


By pushing the law, they belittle the work of the Holy Spirit in the believers' lives.
---micha9344 on 5/28/12
You mean like these:

1: Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (Matt 4:10)
2: Neither be ye idolaters. (1Cor 10:7))
3: The name of God not blasphemed.(1Tim 6:1)
4: For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Acts 15:21
5: Honour thy father and mother (Eph 6:1-3)
6: Do not kill (James 2:11)
7: Adulterers God will judge.(Heb 13:4)
8: Let him that stole steal no more(Eph 4:28)
9: Lie not one to another (Col 3:9)
10: Be without covetousness, (Heb 13:5)
---francis on 5/28/12


Is that a fact, francis?

Where do SDAs offer their burnt sacrifices and incense today?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/28/12


For example,.. animal sacrifice... was written to the Jewish priests.
---trey on 5/28/12
CORRECTION:
Isaiah 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger ( NON-OSRAELITES/ NON-JEW/ NON-HEBREW), that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I [am] a dry tree.
Isaiah 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

SO sacrifices were for ALL PEOPLE
---francis on 5/28/12


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Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith:
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Rom 14:23b ...for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.
Acts 15:24b ...[Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:
--There are those that will tell you that you must keep the law. By pushing the law, they belittle the work of the Holy Spirit in the believers' lives.
---micha9344 on 5/28/12


Jerry, when looking at the Old Testament one very important question to ask is "who is this written to?" If you were to write a letter to one of your friends and ask them to do a specific thing, and then I came along and read the letter and then decided to do what you had instructed your friend to do, it might not be what you wanted me to do.
For example, God does not intend for me to offer an animal sacrifice. This wasn't written to me. I can learn from it, but it was written to the Jewish priests. Hope this makes sense.
---trey on 5/28/12


My Bible says:

Isaiah 28:10 For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, [and] there a little:

and in the New testements books my Bible says:

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

In the context of 1 timothy 3 the word " scripture" referrs exclusively to what we call the books of the old testements

So I see nothing in the bible that says only what is written in the NT, but I see several passages in the NT which urges us to read and study the OT
---francis on 5/28/12


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