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Are Baptists A Cult

I was recently told that the Baptist denomination is a cult. What are your thoughts? (That was the first time I have ever heard that.)

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Remember what James 2: 24 says, it is not just believe:
---Ruben on 6/14/12

Okay, one last time.

Hanging on the cross, Jesus had this conversation with one of the thieves:

Luke 23:42-43 "Then he said to Jesus, 'Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.' And Jesus said to him, 'Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.

It is that simple. This thief believed Jesus was who He said He was and he was saved. This thief had no baptism, no "works" following his belief. Nothing that you have quoted. This thief had no righteous acts at all except that he BELIEVED, and I am sure we will see this thief again.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/14/12


Mark_Eaton* Now, there are things afterward that you must do to prove your salvation,

So there were other things 'you must do' for your salvation!

Mark_Eaton* such as be baptised, keep the commandments, etc.


What happens to someone who does not do these things, are they still saved? According to scripture NO!

Mark 16:16" He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned."

1 Jhn 2"3-4 "And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, "

Remember what James 2: 24 says, it is not just believe:
---Ruben on 6/14/12


depends on which baptist part you are referring to. freewill, kjv only baptist, southern, what??? Any group of people claiming to use the kjv only or your doomed to hell is a cult. I know this because I left the independent fundementalist baptist. however I've also asosciated with southernbaptist as well & saw no harm so it depends.It is more of false teaching then cultisim.
---womandisciple on 6/14/12


I believe you get my drift!
---Ruben on 6/13/12

No I do not.

You see, salvation is simple. It is so simple a child can understand it. All you need to do is believe. That's it. Now, there are things afterward that you must do to prove your salvation, such as be baptised, keep the commandments, etc. You do them as bearing "fruit". But to start, all you need to do is believe and you shall be saved.

Yet many want to complicate it. They want it to require a lot of effort. They want it to be worked for. These people want to be able to sit in judgment over the righteous works of others and to condemn them based upon what they have or have not done. These people are tares and have infiltrated our churches.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/14/12


Mark_Eaton Mark 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned"

Does not say he who is not baptised will be condemned.//

Then tell what did the first part mean? Jesus did not say forget about the baptism part my bad:

Mark_Eaton* Rom 10:9 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved"

Where is baptism in this verse?//

You are kidding, right?

Where is repenting of sins?
Where is you must forgive one another?
Where is you must Love one another?
Where is you must eat my flesh to have eternal life?

I believe you get my drift!
---Ruben on 6/13/12




Ruben, you sure do twist the passages. The Jews were the only ones called of the circumcision. The "Gentiles were called uncircumcision made in the flesh by hands, that at that time (old Testament) you were without Christ (no gospel) been aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world" (Eph. 2:11,12).
The circumcision they received "is of the heart by the Spirit" (Rom. 2:29) it is not done by man volunteering to get wet or by parents faith and never by a priest, it is done by the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 6/13/12


Mark 16:16 - Jesus said "He who believes AND is baptized will be saved."
---Ruben on 6/13/12

Funny how you truncated this verse. The remainder of the verse reveals the truth:

Mark 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned"

Does not say he who is not baptised will be condemned.

Funny thing about Scripture, they all must agree or your understanding of them is incorrect.

Does your understanding agree with this verse:

Rom 10:9 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved"

Where is baptism in this verse?
---Mark_Eaton on 6/13/12


does salvation requires baptism?
---Mark_Eaton on 6/12/12

Mark,

Mark 16:16 - Jesus said "He who believes AND is baptized will be saved."

Acts 22:16 - Ananias tells Paul, "arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins," Even though Paul had a conversion with Jesus himself, he still needed to be baptize to wash away his sins.

1 Peter 3: 20-21 " were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you alsonot the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God"

And let's not forget Jesus own words:

Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. '(JHn 3:5)
---Ruben on 6/13/12


Mark_Eaton* However, if we are "buried" in death with Jesus, how can we be buried under just a sprinkle? But as Peter said, we are cleansed by the sprinking of blood.

Peter say ""can anyone forbid water for baptizing these people? ( Acts 10:47) And then it says 3,0000 were baptize. Nothing about they went straight to the Jordan river. Scripture again says"Lydia and the household got baptize, nothing again about going to a river,

Read Ezekiel 36:25-27: Something about " I sprinkle CLEAN WATER upon you"... A new heart also will I give you, and a NEW SPIRIT will I put within you:
---Ruben on 6/13/12


Mark_V. You do know that those who were circumcised were Jews? They only are of the circumcision?

But yet Paul use circumcision on his teaching:

Colossians 2:11-13 - In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in PUTTING OFF THE BODY OF THE SINS of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: BURIED WITH HIM IN BAPTISM"

Mark * Second, the church knew that baptism had a lot to do with salvation so the idea of Baptismal regeneration was born.

They knew because Jesus told them :

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them" (Mt 28:19)

In fact it is the first thing he is teling them to do!
---Ruben on 6/13/12




Jesus says so.
---Eloy on 6/12/12

BCV please.

Matt 28:19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen"

This verse does not define salvation. Observing all the commandments is not salvation. Being baptised is not salvation.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/13/12


Ruben, you said to Jed,

"Same way as the Old Covenant, the parents took them by their faith and had them circumcised."

You do know that those who were circumcised were Jews? They only are of the circumcision? Gentiles are not of the circumcision.
Second, the church knew that baptism had a lot to do with salvation so the idea of Baptismal regeneration was born. Then the next error creep into the church. Who would the subjects of baptism? Before it was believers only. Then infants were included but they were immersed. And since believers only take the communion, the next error occurred, infants now have to take communion. They soaked the bread with wine and gave it to the infant. Error after error after error.
---Mark_V. on 6/13/12


Mark Eaton, Salvation indeed is a part of salvation, Jesus says so. And when God gives a command, they are not suggestions, but commandments. He commands us to be baptized in his Name, so only a fool or else one alergic to water would refuse his commandment, for no disobedience will enter into the Kingdom of heaven.
---Eloy on 6/12/12


This blog is the greatest tragedy I have seen yet.

Two subjects came up during the blog. Immersion and necessity of baptism.

First, immersion is a custom and must be treated as such. However, if we are "buried" in death with Jesus, how can we be buried under just a sprinkle? But as Peter said, we are cleansed by the sprinking of blood.

Secondly, does salvation requires baptism? I do not believe so. My reasons, baptism is always left out when Jesus speaks about it. His refereance to baptism is when telling the disciples how to make disciples. Jesus also told the rich ruler to go sell all he had, but no one includes that in salvation.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/12/12


Ruben, how can an infant repent and be baptised?
---Jed on 6/12/12

Same way as the Old Covenant, the parents took them by their faith and had them circumzied. We see in the book of Exodus(12:13) all of Israel were told to sprinkle blood of the doorposts knowing that God works through covenant, they sprinkle the lamb's blood to save their children. If you notice the Egyptians who you can say were (ant-baptism) did not do it and as you know thier babies died! Now back to baptism as you recall Paul calls baptism the new circumcision in Col. 2:11-12, so would you rather be the Eqyptians who did not have faith on thier children or would you have the faith and do it for your children?
---Ruben on 6/12/12


Ruben, how can an infant repent and be baptised?
---Jed on 6/12/12


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Mark V * Infact "infant baptism" was never mentioned until around 370.

Dead wrong:

Acts 2: 38-39 "
Repent, and be baptized... For the promise is to you and to your children ( Greek word use is "teknon"

In the Old Covenant, God allowed 8-day old babies to be part of his covenant kingdom and St Paul tell us that baptism replaces circumcision ( Col 2:11-12) Do you really think that God made the New Covenant narrower that the Old Covenant?

And when a child has been born to one of them, they give thanks to God [baptism], ." Aristides, Apology, 15 (A.D. 140).
---Ruben on 6/12/12


Ruben, I don't expect you to look outside the RCC for Truth. They will not admit the slaughter of millions? I told you Jesus Christ was dethroned as Head of the Church when the Catholic Church became universal under one head. Changes that happen within the Church did not happen in one day, or one year. They came slowly and never within all the Churches. Infact "infant baptism" was never mentioned until around 370. The reason it did is because the spread of "baptismal regeneration" had been introduced and began to have a fixed hold in many Churches. Congregations all over the East subsisted in separate independant bodies, unsupported by goverment and consequently without any secular power over one another.
---Mark_V. on 6/12/12


Mark_V.* first of the Roman Catholic Church. Cardinal Hostius (Catholic 1524, President of the Council of Trent stated,

" Were it not that the baptist have been grieviously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in greater number than all the Reformers" (Hosiu, letters, Apud Opera, pages 112,113.

Mark,

Shame on you! No such letter exits at all:)
---Ruben on 6/11/12


Signs of being cultish, negatively. Some drop "Baptist," more deception.

Some signs are as follows:
1. One main leader with "the Word of God."
2. Give your money don't ask questions--"trust me," give till you bleed (I resently heard this).
3. Go to all the meetings.
4. Don't give suggestions.
5. Go to the class we tell you--no questions asked.
6. Verses used out of context
7. One must learn the proper phraseology to be accepted.
8. Praise the "pastor" to be accepted.
9. There is almost always condemnation.
10. The "pastor" speaks as though he is God.
11. This is the "best church."
12. This is the "best congregation."
---Rod4Him on 6/11/12


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Linda, the Baptist I spoke of have now broken up into many sects. Just like all denominations, and so many begin to accept the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church while many others remained uncommitted and are still called heretics. But the original Baptist were not a denomination. They were given that name by the Roman Catholic Church. It was like a curse to be named a Baptist. All churches which didn't submit to the Catholic Church authority, were persecuted. The blood dripped from the Ana-Baptist, Paulicians, Arnoldist, Henricians, Petro Brussians, Albigenses Waldenses during the 1,200 years of what are called the Dark Ages" They maintained Truth secession, not apostolic secession.
---Mark_V. on 6/11/12


Raised Southern Baptist myself but I don't believe ALL of their teachings.

Each denomination has their quacks, so its best not to judge the entire sect as a cult.

I know some Catholics that think praying to Mary is blasphemy.
---LindaH on 6/10/12


Shira, you are correct. I don't know if you know the history of the Baptist but they were the millions of Christians who I mentioned had died at the hands first of the Roman Catholic Church. Cardinal Hostius (Catholic 1524, President of the Council of Trent stated,

" Were it not that the baptist have been grieviously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in greater number than all the Reformers" (Hosiu, letters, Apud Opera, pages 112,113.
Sir Isaac Newton wrote,
"The Baptist are the only body of known Christians that have never symbolized with Rome" Their history is written in blood.
---Mark_V. on 6/9/12


if baptist is a cult then may I ask what is everyone else who is not a baptist. I am a born again bred in christian and I am a certified baptist....I am not a member of any cult. If anyone thinks baptist is a cult then I ask what is methodist, chatholic, church of christ and all the others? maybe I think all are cults. when someone tells another baptist is a cult ask them to show you in the bible (KJV)and I can show them why we are NOT.
---shira4368 on 6/9/12


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"Amen and thanks
michael_e on 6/5/12" Thank you, and thank God.
Mark_V. Thanks for input
Lk 2:52 and Jesus was advancing in wisdom, and in stature, and in favour with God and men.
Mt 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me
Jn 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him
kathr4453 on 6/6/12. Thank you. Will look into verses you gave.
"after the order of Melchizedek", not in the order of Aaron Heb 7:11
---Chria9396 on 6/8/12


Jesus was baptized because He had to fulfill the legal requirements for entering into the priesthood. He was priest after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4, Heb. 5:8-10, 6:20). Priests offered sacrifice to God on behalf of the people. Jesus became a sacrifice for our sin (1 Pet. 2:24, 2 Cor. 5:21) in His role as priest.

To be consecrated as a priest, He had to be:

Washed with water (Lev. 8:6, Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:16).
Anointed with oil (Lev. 8:12, Exodus 29:7, Matt. 3:16).
Both of these were bestowed upon Jesus at His baptism.

Additionally, He may have needed to be 30 years old - (Num. 4:3) which is fulfilled in Luke 3:21-23,
---kathr4453 on 6/6/12


Chria, you are correct. Jesus in His humanity was just like us. He grew up like us, and learned just like us. According to ( Luke 2:52) Jesus advanced in wisdom and statue, and in favor with God and men" His bodily growth was normal like that of other children. When speaking of wisdom and knowledge it is commonly interpreted to refer to His humanity rather than to His divine consciousness. He also experience similar feelings and limitations as other human beings, and His physical movements were such as corresponded to a genuine human nature and human body. Like humans beings, He had a soul (Matt. 26:38) and a human spirit (John 13:31).
---Mark_V. on 6/6/12


chria9396 Heb 5:5-10

Amen and thanks
---michael_e on 6/5/12


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michael_e
"Jesus was disobedient??" of course not. However, Heb 5:5-10. Will quote part."Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered, And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,
Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec".
yes, just read Nu 4 earlier today, Thanks for Ex 19


---chria9396 on 6/4/12


Chria9396
//He "learned" obedience.//
Jesus was disobedient??
water baptism was a Jewish rite to prepare priests for the priesthood starting at 30 years of age(Numb.4)
Israel was to be a kingdom of priests(Ex 19) to bring salvation to the nations. Jesus was baptized to identify himself with Israel.
---michael_e on 6/4/12


michael_e on 5/24/12 from Best Age For Baptism blog: "Not a suggestion, there is more to it than that" OK.
"JESUS ALSO BEING BAPTIZED, and praying..
22 And THE HOLY GHOST DESCENDED in a bodily shape like a dove UPON HIM, and a voice came from heaven, which said, THOU ART MY BELOVED SON, IN THEE I AM WELL PLEASED."
Beloved Son. in thee I am well pleased. He "learned" obedience. Pleasing the Father. The Father declares Him as THE SON OF GOD
23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age"
Which is followed by, His lineage, "son of Joseph" all the way back to "the son of Adam, which was the son of God". Adam called son of God , before fall, now sonship restored
---Chria9396 on 6/4/12


Trey, thank you brother and God bless you and your family also. We have to fight for the truth no matter if people get their feelings hurt. Learning the history of the Church bothered me so much because of all the injustice done through the centuries to those who would not join the alliance's consumation in AD 313, into a Hierarchy as a lot of others did and kept the Apostolic faith. They didn't bow to the Hierarechy of the Roman Catholic Church. Once Christ was dethroned as Head of the Churches all hell begin to come down on those who did not join the Churches unity of church and state.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/12


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MarkV, I really like what you said on 5/30/12. Lord bless you!
I am amazed how faithful many of you are to the cause of Christ! We may all have different opinions, but I love to see the conviction and willingness to stand up for Jesus!
---trey on 6/2/12


Cluny I was sincere in what I said and meant nothing by it except to truly have compassion for what you had been through. Yes its a shame when anyone has to suffer,Hebrews,Muslims, Christians and any other religion. If I offended you I'm sorry. Your answer to me seems a little bit holier than thou and belligerent yet I understand you are saying you have reached the Promise Land when you found your place in the Orthodox Church. Keep in mind though, that is your way to do it, but it doesn't mean there aren't other roads to the Promised Land in other words other denominations,I'm not saying other religions,you can get there from. It isn't the journey we take,or the place we worship it is who walks within us as we take that journey. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/1/12


Ruben, you can know who is right by reading the Bible and learning the history of the Church. The problem is, you just don't want to know the Truth. Because you do not believe in the Truth of Scripture to be final authority. You follow the final authority of the Roman Catholic Church, and don't believe in the authority of Scripture. Which really gets you into so much trouble since they introduced so many traditions from the beginning. The fact is that "baptismal regeneration" and "infant baptism," cause so many deaths, over 50,000,000 Christians died martyr deaths, mainly because of their rejection of those two errors during the period of the Dark ages alone, about twelve or thirteen centuries.
---Mark_V. on 6/1/12


Francis, if a group tells children they will become part of their group or find another place to live, and the men treat their families worse than dogs, would you call this group a cult?
---Rob on 5/31/12

Are you talking about the G.O.P?
---francis on 5/31/12


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The details are in the comment you posted on 5/29/12.
---Rob on 5/31/12
That does not tell me much

do they live in a group home?
what are the rules of thegroup home?
Do not the boyscouts have rules that if yu do not folow youare out?

Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

that is why i need details
---francis on 5/31/12


How can they both be right? ...
---Ruben on 5/31/12

one is right that some say salvation is of water baptism. the other is right that some say salvation is of spiritual baptism.

who is right?

the truth is the Truth. Ask, seek, find.
---aka on 5/31/12


\\before you settled on Orthodox,thats a shame you had to go through that.\\

It might have been a shame for the Hebrews to have to wander through the desert for 40 years, but at least they arrived at the Promised Land.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/31/12


I have attended a couple of Baptist churches that were like Cluny's grandparents'.

My churchused to be Baptist, but we changed our name.

When I moved last year, there were 12 people helping me.

Then I was hospitalized for two weeks, for leg surgery. When I got home, meals were brought to me for a week, with some of the people staying to eat with me. Also, two people stopped by to help me with housework. On the day of my surgery, I got two separate visits where the church secretary came by, read Scripture and prayed with me. Then a few hours later, my pastor and an elder came by to visit and pray with me.
---Trish on 5/31/12


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Francis, you say you need more details.

The details are in the comment you posted on 5/29/12.
---Rob on 5/31/12


Cluny I'm sorry about your grandparents but I did say the ones I have known and didn't say anything about all of them being that way. It sounds like you have been disappointed with several denominations before you settled on Orthodox,thats a shame you had to go through that.
---Darlene_1 on 5/31/12


\\I have known is their outpouring of love in a real show of how they care about one another. \\

How true.

When my grandparents had to go to a nursing home, NONE of their friends from their Baptist church or Sunday School ever came to visit them, they loved them so much.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/31/12


Francis, if a group tells children they will become part of their group or find another place to live, and the men treat their families worse than dogs, would you call this group a cult?

Or would you call them the one true and remnant church?
---Rob on 5/31/12

Need more details
---francis on 5/31/12


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actually, you are both right.

to some, it does...to the others, it does not.

in the end, we will find out what one baptism is. some now...some later.
---aka on 5/30/12

How can they both be right? Jesus said he will send the Holy Spirit and he will lead us to all truth! If the Bible is the final authorithy on faith as so many here believe, whose right and why??
---Ruben on 5/31/12


No the Baptist are not a cult. One thing I love about Baptist preachers and Sunday School teachers is their teaching and preaching straight from the Bible. Even though they may have Sunday School books they are always based on the Bible with Chapter and verse. Another thing about the Baptist I have known is their outpouring of love in a real show of how they care about one another. My experience with Baptist people is that they are wonderful God commited,God fearing people not Cult men followers. The Baptist would recognize a cult because most of them know their Bibles well.
---Darlene_1 on 5/31/12


Francis, if a group tells children they will become part of their group or find another place to live, and the men treat their families worse than dogs, would you call this group a cult?

Or would you call them the one true and remnant church?
---Rob on 5/31/12


baptist and methodist are totally not the same. I mean nothing alike at all.
---shira4368 on 5/30/12

One says " there ain't no hell."

The other says "the hell there ain't."

Just kidding

But as i said before: Any denomination or group which you can walk into, and walk out of, without any financial, physical, emotional, or physical repercussions is not a cult in my book.

All denominations have different teaching, so if we say different teaching = cult, then all would be considered cults

and tell me, who ( excspt jesus) set up the cult watch blue ribbon squad?
---francis on 5/30/12


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eloy and others...we do not emphasize baptism. it is just letting everyone know you are born again. my husband was never baptised but he is in heaven because he got saved. baptist and methodist are totally not the same. I mean nothing alike at all. I have been in church for 60 yrs and have also been to a methodist church. they seemed more like catholics than anything I've known about them. it is all ritual. praying to mother mary and other stuff. My intercessor is Jesus Christ..period.
---shira4368 on 5/30/12


//Yes, it does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/12//

No it doesn't
---michael_e on 5/30/12


\\Paul, speaking to the BoC, says there is now "One baptism" having nothing to do with water.
---michael_e on 5/30/12\\

Yes, it does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/12

actually, you are both right.

to some, it does...to the others, it does not.

in the end, we will find out what one baptism is. some now...some later.
---aka on 5/30/12


Cluny said: Yes, it does.

michael_e said: No it doesn't

I think you two forgot the customary "neener, neener, neener!"...
---StrongAxe on 5/30/12


//Yes, it does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/12//

No it doesn't
---michael_e on 5/30/12


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\\Paul, speaking to the BoC, says there is now "One baptism" having nothing to do with water.
---michael_e on 5/30/12\\

Yes, it does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/12


Scott1:

Not necessarily. For example, if (say) Baptist and Methodist churches are both legitimate churches of God, you should be able to freely walk out of one and into the other, just as easily as you could walk out of the First Baptist Church, and into the Second Baptist Church across town. The comment was about leaving a specific church (which happens to be a small part of the Body of Christ), not leaving the Body of Christ itself.
---StrongAxe on 5/30/12


It is a Christian denomination, which emphasizes the importance of baptism.
---Eloy on 5/30/12


Trey, anyone can say that another denomination is bad due to something they didn't like. They can also say it"s bad when their teachings do not reconcile with the Word of God. Through time all denominations have different sects. Even Catholics have different sects. When I first got saved, I thought all Baptist, Pentacostals, and others were the same, but I found that very few Churches teach what they taught when they started. Bapist have a long history, and go back to the time of Jesus. They never joined the RCC or Eastern Orthodox. They were persecuted by the RCC for not accepting their Catholic believes. In time they have also split in their teachings one from another. There is different Baptist like different Pentacostals, and others.
---Mark_V. on 5/30/12


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//Honestly, most who profess to be believers (not only Baptists) have no inkling of an idea why we are to be baptized.//
Paul, speaking to the BoC, says there is now "One baptism" having nothing to do with water.
---michael_e on 5/30/12


In my view. if you can walk in, and walk out, of any denomination or group without any physical, financial, social, or emotional repercussions, then it is not a cult.
---francis on 5/29/12

I would change the last line. If you can do this then you did not spend time with God.
---Scott1 on 5/30/12


//If 2 is true, then what difference does the manner of baptism make, or even if it's done at all?//

Exactly!

//But if Jesus commanded baptism--and He did, according to the Bible--then how can you say it's optional?//

audience. also, he gave the command in different phrases. baptize with water is read into it.

but, baptism is not optional. He will baptize you with fire and spirit.

(now, let's go round n round and present scripture that presents our point of view and let's leave out other scripture that does not help our argument.)
---aka on 5/29/12


In my view. if you can walk in, and walk out, of any denomination or group without any physical, financial, social, or emotional repercussions, then it is not a cult.
---francis on 5/29/12


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\\If 2 (Baptism has NOTHING to do with salvation.) is true, then what difference does the manner of baptism make, or even if it's done at all?\\
---Cluny on 5/29/12


Honestly, most who profess to be believers (not only Baptists) have no inkling of an idea why we are to be baptized.

Simply because Jesus said to? But why did He say that? Did He just blabber commands to see us jump through hoops? Or is there an actual purpose ??

Outward sign? So can we still see our baptism 20, 30, 40 years later? If not, then how is it an outward sign

Public profession? In front of what public - church memebers?
---James_L on 5/30/12


\\cluny, your description of a baptist is so far out in space.\\

I was raised a Southern Baptist and was one until I got saved and realized that SB doesn't teach what's in the Bible.

Two contradictory doctrines SBs teach:

1. One MUST be immersed to be baptized.

2. Baptism has NOTHING to do with salvation.

If 2 is true, then what difference does the manner of baptism make, or even if it's done at all?

But if Jesus commanded baptism--and He did, according to the Bible--then how can you say it's optional?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/29/12


\\cluny, your description of a baptist is so far out in space....I have never heard one preach that we should entrepret the scriptures.\\
---shira4368 on 5/29/12


Cluny is right. I am a Southern Baptist. This is from the Southern Baptist Convention"s own website, FAQ page

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7. What is the SBC's official view of the doctrine commonly known as "Calvinism?"

The Southern Baptist Convention has not taken an official stance on either Calvinism or Arminianism. If you surveyed Southern Baptists across the nation you would likely find adherents at both ends of the spectrum with plenty at each point in between.

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---James_L on 5/29/12


shira4368:

Cluny said: Baptists claim to believe in the right of every believer to interpret the scriptures for himself. But God help you if your interpretation is different from everyone else's around you.

Didn't you notice the irony in this? It's very similar to Henry Ford's reported slogan for the Model T: "You can have any color you want... as long as it's black"
---StrongAxe on 5/29/12


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cluny, your description of a baptist is so far out in space. yes, there are many kinds of baptist but I have never heard one preach that we should entrepret the scriptures. being born again and prayer we can learn what scripture says but most of us don't have the time to do that extensively. all pastors I know study everyday ane many hours to bring a message that God has sent to him.
---shira4368 on 5/29/12


Cluny, one of my friends just married another friend of mine and he is a Primitive Baptist Preacher. It was one of her best friends who was trying hard to persuade her not to marry him.
---trey on 5/29/12


I can only speak with assurance about the Southern Baptists, with whick I have had close connections. The biggest truth about them, to me, is their great emphasis on NO OTHER HUMAN stands between an individual and the Trinity. Freedom from organization dominance, both of local church groups and individuals, to break into this God/individual bond. Far from cult!
---Geraldine on 5/29/12


I suppose every religious group could be considered a cult if you use the strictest, most narrow definition.
---AG on 5/29/12


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"(That was the first time I have ever heard that.)" So, why would you give attention to something, just because someone says it? There are a lot of wrong and stupid things Satan has going around.

I would say first to give attention to the Bible and to what is obviously right and about God, and not about gossip about religious groups. Because any group that is wrong might not even give you straight answers.

So, just concentrate on communicating with people you know are straight with you and right.

Any of us can be a cult waiting to happen > be wise to how we ourselves can be wrong (1 Peter 4:17).
---willie_c: on 5/29/12


Baptists can be as starkly different as Rush Limbaugh and Nancy Pelosi.
---Jed on 5/29/12

Great Analogy!

I have experienced just what you described. Some Baptist churches have treated me as if EVERYTHING in my life was "Bad" in some way. Other Baptist churches didn't seem to even notice that I was present in their church.

I just don't know what to think about Baptist churches.
---Sag on 5/29/12


The baptists are probably the most widely diverse denomination in the world. There are several types of baptists and they all have different beliefs, practices, and doctrines. You can't judge them all by what one believes. Baptists can be as starkly different as Rush Limbaugh and Nancy Pelosi.
---Jed on 5/29/12


Baptists claim to believe in the right of every believer to interpret the scriptures for himself.

But God help you if your interpretation is different from everyone else's around you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/28/12


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Baptists range from the very liberal American Baptists at one end of the spectrum, to the Primitive and Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists at the other. Which Baptists do we have in mind with this question?
---Catholicus on 5/28/12


every body of organized people cultivates a culture into a cult.
---aka on 5/28/12


Who was the source, trey?

"Baptist" itself covers a great deal of faith and practice from waterlogged liberal Methodists (or strict Presbyterians) to almost Church of Christ.

Glory to JEsus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/28/12


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