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Churches Are Silent On Sin

I recently saw the movie "The Five-Year Engagement". Many things that conflict with what the Bible teaches. The root of the problems we see around us. Why are churches silent on these things?

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First of all, what God does is perfect and righteous, never sinful, it has a righteous intention.
What He commands man to not do and they do, it is sin because it has an unrighteous intention. He ordered the making of the rod with a snake, He ordered the making of the ark of the Covenant. His actions are never wrong. When He commands us to not do something and we do it, it is sin, because it's intentions are wrong and will lead sinful man to sin even more.
We cannot turn around and say, 'well God, you did this or that, why shouldn't we?"
We are sinful and He is holy and righteous.
"Who are you O man to speak against God or compare yourself to God?"
---Mark_V. on 1/21/13


bike:

You said: Even the Bible itself violates the 2nd commandment as art work was definitely used in construction of the ark of the covenant and the building of the temple.

One of two things is possible:
1) The Bible violates itself. If this is the case, we might as well just toss the whole thing in the trash, since it's inconsistent and self-contradictory, and we have no idea which parts to believe.
2) The Bible does NOT violate itself, and all those who lived during those times, and knew those who actually wrote it, saw no conflict - but YOUR interpretation of it happens to be incorrect, so you see violations where there are none.

Which of these two is more likely to be true?
---StrongAxe on 1/20/13


bike, EXCELLENT POINT. Even the Ark of the Covenant, in the Holy-of-Holies of the Temple, contained a carving, plated with Gold, of TWO CHERUBIMS, which were made in the "...likeness of a thing in Heaven above...". And, these images of two cherubim were carved by the skilled hands of men by GOD's own Ordination. It was used IN Worshipping, but, not FOR being worshipped in and of itself. GOD would not command men to create something if it truly violated one of HIS Commands.
---Gordon on 1/20/13


There is a verse in the bible that states "money is the root of all evil." But is that correct? No it isn't, it is the "love of money..."

It seems many of you are taking verses out of context and not even verses that do not include "graven images."
---Steveng on 1/20/13


Shira, It's a Blessing and honour to be an artist in GOD's Kingdom. I have no doubt that those of us who are artists now, who go to Heaven, will be able to continue to be artists in that Heavenly Kingdom. We are made artists as that is One Aspect of GOD's Image. It is legalistic Pharisee-ism that forbids artistic renderings. And, the Pharisees only angered the Lord YAHUSHUA, they did not cause Him to smile upon them. May the LORD be Blessed and Glorified by your works for HIM, Sister
---Gordon on 1/20/13




Gordon, how you worship God is your choice, whether in Truth or not. The images falsify the truth of God in the minds of men. Psychologically, it is certain that if you habitually forcus your thoughts on an image or picture of the One to whom you are going to pray, you will come to think of him, and pray to him, as the image represents him. Thus you will in this sense "bow down" and "worship" your image. and to the extent to which the image fails to tell the truth about God, to that extent you will fail to worship God in Truth. That is why God forbids you and me to make use of images and pictures in our worship.
I believe my responsibility is over, I told you the Truth. From here on out you are without excuse.
---Mark_V. on 1/20/13


Who isn't guilty of breaking the 2nd Commandment? Every photograph is a violation of the 2nd commandment. Every sculpture, every painting, most every magazine violates the 2nd commandment. Exodus 20:4 You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below." Even the Bible itself violates the 2nd commandment as art work was definitely used in construction of the ark of the covenant and the building of the temple. Who has not broken this commandment? Every day of our lives we break this command in every image we possess. And yes, we worship some images.
---bike on 1/20/13


wow, Gordon, I am an artist too. artist are hard to find anywhere. it seems no one appreciates art. I see nothing wrong with a drawing of Jesus. a guy once wanted me to paint the Jesus in revelation and I couldn't figure out how to do it. I was stumped. I have painted two bapistrys here where I live. that was one more hard task. God bless
---shira4368 on 1/19/13


Mark V, If you own and continue to own "images and graphic illustrations of God" made by man, that YOU YOURSELF, Mark, are claiming to believe is a "violation of the 2nd Commandment" and are, also, declaring to others here on ChristiaNet that it's a violation of GOD's Commandment, AND you refuse to get rid of them, for WHATEVER REASON, then you are inadvertedly being an accomplice to, and giving the nod, INADVERTEDLY, that "illustrations of God" are "okay". If you REALLY believe that it's a "sin" to artistically illustrate God, then you would not continue to own anything that YOU believe is an "abomination". An ex-alcoholic doesn't keep Booze in the house to remind him that it's sinful.
---Gordon on 1/19/13


Mark V, You're right, I WILL "go for it"! I will enjoy the many Artistic Illustrations that are available out there on GOD's Green Earth! Because, I do know GOOD ART when I see it! GOD made me to be an artist, and HE built inside of me a LOVE and appreciation for Art and for HIS amazing Creation! HE made me in HIS Image, as an artist, for HE is the ULTIMATE ARTIST!!! You ARE correct about one particular thing, re this Issue, Mark, and, that is the fact that No human being can capture the likeness of GOD's glorious Beauty. But, we can do what we can for HIS Honour and Glory!!!
---Gordon on 1/19/13




Mark V, The whining Israelites did not want to endure the hardships and Testings that were required of them, by GOD, to get them to the Land of Milk and Honey! That's why they longed for Egypt! That's why they accused Moses of leading them into the Desert "just to die"! They were sick of the Manna that GOD Himself sent them, and they started lusting after the foods they ate back in Egypt, and longed to return to Egypt EVEN at the cost of bondage again! Just to have their familiar "comfort foods" of melons and leeks. Re-read EXODUS 16:2-3! Since they rejected the way in the Wilderness, they were actually rejecting GOD Himself because HE was the ONE leading them out there!
---Gordon on 1/19/13


Mark V: The limitation in Gen 20:4-5 is on images that are to be 'bowed down to or served'.

Now of course, you may perfectly well say that there is the danger of taking an image that is initially taken as 'art' using it as an idol. Or using the image of the image only as the God worshiped. So you may say it is better not to......

But it is not directly said in Ex 20:4-5, it is an interpretation or a certain extension of what is said
---Peter on 1/19/13


Gordon, you refuse the Second Commandment. You said,
"In EXODUS 32:1 the rebellious Israelites coerced Aaron to make an image of the "gods, which shall go before us" I did say it was a bull like the image of other gods, but it represented Jehovah who took them out of Egypt. God is not a golden bull. You reject the Truth.
I have books with pictures because in order to study what others teach, I need to learn from what they teach. you want to carry a picture of Jesus or put one on your wall to remind you of who He is, go for it. You will be seeing a lie. Concerning pictures I answered because the SDA's say they do not break the Ten Commandments. I never say I don't sin. I am a sinner saved by the Grace of God.
---Mark_V. on 1/19/13


Mark V, So, you have, in your house, Books with artistic illustrations of YAHUSHUA (JESUS). Correct? If SO, why do you say that they're so "wrong" and "forbidden" as per the 2nd Commandment, and YET, you have them in your house, thus, giving them your own approval by merely owning them. If they are so "wrong", you should be destroying them, and getting rid of them. There is not one thing wrong with a picture of YAHUSHUA on the Cross. That is how He died! It is Satan who did not want Him to die by shedding His Blood on the Tree. Satan tried to have Him killed by stoning, instead, earlier, by the Jews. And, even earlier still, by Herod's decree of slaying all the male infants, as per MATTHEW 2.
---Gordon on 1/18/13


Mark V, In EXODUS 32:1 the rebellious Israelites coerced Aaron to make an image of the "gods, which shall go before us..." They were mistrusting Moses AND GOD. They doubted that GOD was really taking care of them! They whined repeatedly that Moses drug them out into the wilderness to "DIE of hunger and thirst". They longed to return BACK TO EGYPT, believing it was "better" than what THEY perceived as "aimless wanderings to nowhere". Because they DOUBTED THE TRUE GOD OF ISRAEL, they wanted Aaron to make them a replica of one of the gods they were familiar with from Egypt. A "Calf"! They preferred an Egyptian god over YAHUVEH. In Anger, GOD slew the rebellious ones in the Desert: EXODUS 32:27-28.
---Gordon on 1/18/13


Mark V, I gave you TWO possible scenarios. One was of them "forming the Calf from the image of a false Egyptian god" (one of the Egyptians' many false gods was a "calf". You didn't know that?) And the other example I gave you was of them "deliberately making it in the 'Image of JEHOVAH (YAHUVEH)'." If they DID make it to represent the GOD of Israel, they sinned in TWO ways: 1) They made the Calf IN ORDER TO WORSHIP IT. 2) They misrepresented the Image of GOD to be as a Calf. GOD is not like a "Calf". I also said that it IS wrong to make any image "in honour of" a false god. (Please re-read my earlier comment!) The Israelites made the Calf for the sake of WORSHIPPING IT.
---Gordon on 1/18/13


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Bro. Gordon 4: for argument sake, your changing the Truth to a lie. That is not right Gordon. you say that Aaron golden calf was to worship another god which is very wrong.
"Then they said, "This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the hands of Egypt" Who brought them out of the hands of Egypt? Jehovah God. Guided them in a pillar of fire, and a cloud. They knew who guided them out of Egypt. The image represented God as the bulls that represented other gods. I suggest you recant and correct yourself. 2nd Commandment is at stake.
"Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do" (Heb. 4:13).
---Mark_V. on 1/18/13


Mark V, So, you DO own illustrations of "JESUS"? To say that they are "forbidden" but, to STILL OWN THEM is like double-talk, Mark. It is true that Art Renderings of the LORD should be utilized with Wisdom and Discretion. A TRUE Christian would never "worship" an art rendering of the LORD. You are confusing that which some (in the RCC) have done (bowing to images, etc.) with just simply owning an Artistic Rendering of the LORD in HIS Honour. This is why I'm telling you, it's the MOTIVE for having a Rendering, not JUST for simply having one at all. You ARE only focusing on Verse 4 of EXODUS 20. You're NOT connecting both Verses and 4 and 5 as should be done. By using only 4, you're pulling it OUT OF CONTEXT.
---Gordon on 1/18/13


Mark V, Are you going to answer my previous question, or not?? I asked you if you have ever benefitted from a graphic, artistic illustration or rendering of "JESUS CHRIST"?? As seen in a child's Bible Story book, etc. HAVE YOU? And, also, of course the Golden Calf was forbidden, it was a replica of one of the Egyptian false gods! And, they made it IN ORDER TO WORSHIP IT (as I explained to you earlier!) And, even if they meant it to be as a likeness of "JEHOVAH" (YAHUVEH) it would've been even more forbidden because Almighty GOD is not the form of a cattle! YAHUSHUA Himself came as a Man, not as a cattle! Now, will you answer my previous question, or not??
---Gordon on 1/18/13


Bro. Gordon 3: I don't have images of Christ on display. I have hundred's of books, especailly SDA material has pictures of Jesus. On the cross it only displays Him as if satan had won. The Lord still suffering on the cross, which is a lie. Pictures of Jesus do not benefit me in anyway whatsoever. Pictures come from the imagination of someones mind and thoughts.
Aaron was very wrong. Whatever we think of religious art from a cultural standpoint, we should not look to pictures of God to show us His glory and move us to worship. For His glory is precisely what such pictures can never show us, and this is why God added to the 2nd Commandment a reference to Himself as "Jealous" to avenge Himself on those who disobey Him.
---Mark_V. on 1/18/13


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Gordon 2, It is important for you and others to understand the Second Commandment. Do you remember when Aaron made a golden calf? It was a bull-image, it meant as a visible symbol of Jehovah, the mighty God who had brought Israel out of Egypt. It was an image thought as having great strength. But it is not hard to see that such a symbol in fact insults God, for what idea of His moral character, His righteousness, goodness and patience could anyone gather from looking at a stature of Him as a bull? Aaron image hid God's glory.
"To whom, then, will you compare God? what image will you compare Him to?" (Isa. 40:18).
---Mark_V. on 1/18/13


The real reason churches are silent on sin is because:

2Tim4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears,
2Tim4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

To boil it down, people like to hear what is pleasing to the flesh, and there are certain preachers (like Joel Olsteen) who love money more than preaching all the counsel of God!

If a preacher preaches hard against sin it is a hard saying, who can hear it???
---trey on 1/17/13


Samuelbb7: The SDA's are quite a mixed group so not all of them follow the works of the law doctrine like Francis does.
What the likes of francis preaches is works of the law mixed with grace. But this CANNOT be, Rom 11:6.
"They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him" Tit 1:16

I confront the lukewarm and dangerous gospel of the likes of Francis.

For Jerry who claims I'm "SDA bashing", this claim is incorrect.
I've provided scriptures from God warning against works of the law that SDA's like Francis teach.

In Rev 3:19 God described this "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent".
God's warnings are not "SDA bashing"
---Haz27 on 1/17/13


my pastor is not silent on things that come out of hollywood. some churches don't want to offend anyone so they don't preach hell or the blood. if they did, most of their members would leave.
---shira4368 on 1/17/13


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It is written in scripture that one may not create any likeness of anything in the heavens above, upon the earth or in the seas or one would corrupt himself.

Take for instance the pictures of Jesus. One can find pictures of him having long hair, short hair, curely hair. Or Jesus being white, black, brown, yellow, red. There are pictures of him wearing sackcloth, business suits, bathing suits, etc. You name it, people have portray him differently. Who are we to believe? Whateve man creates is from his imagination for one cannot paint a picture of spiritual matters.
---Steveng on 1/17/13


Mark V., So, you have never benefitted, in a positive way, from seeing an artistic rendering of JESUS CHRIST (YAHUSHUA)?? So, you CONDEMN all artistic renderings and illustrations of the Son of GOD?? And, you, personally, own nothing with renderings that depict the Saviour, the Son of GOD??
---Gordon on 1/17/13


Gordon, the first commandment refers to who only to worship. The Second is not about the same. It's How we worship. The Catholic Church did away with the Second commandment and make two commandments out of the ninth Commandment. For the sole purpose of using images and statues of Jesus Christ, saints and worshipping them. No, your wrong. The second commandment is prohibiton of carved images and likeness of anyone in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath. The reason they are prohibited is because Images of Jesus Christ dishonor God for they obsure his glory. His glory is defiled, and His Truth corrupted by the lie. By this corruption His majesty is adulterated, and He is figured to be other than He is.
---Mark_V. on 1/17/13


Mark V, Graphic illustrations of YAHUSHUA (Whom you call "Jesus"), and Art Renderings of Him are not a violation of the 2nd Commandment. The 2nd Commandment does not prohibit the Artistic or graphic illustrations of the Lord, per se.....What it forbids is the creation of any likeness of the LORD or of any of HIS created creatures FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF..."bowing down to worship it". Also, it forbids the renderings that are created to deliberately honour any false god. EXODUS 20:4-5 will better refresh your memory. You have to put together, read and understand BOTH Verses 4 and 5. Not just allude to Verse 4 by itself.
---Gordon on 1/17/13


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Samuel, you say to Haz about the SDA's:

"We believe we are saved by Grace alone through faith alone. But like Wesley and Luther we do not believe that being save by grace is a right to live in sin."

Implying none of you sin. Is that what you are saying? Since you believe like Wesley and Luther, you claim all of you live a sinless life. Otherwise why say what you did? So, what is it? Are the SDA's without sin?
The reason I asked is because is, in the Prophets and Kings by E.G. White vol. 2 Page 504 and page 706 there is pictures of Jesus which goes against the 2nd Commandment. How do you explain that?
---Mark_V. on 1/17/13


markv, you are right. francis has not even said one word about salvation by grace thru faith. I know born again people sin because we do not have our glorified body yet. our flesh is sinful. God will even turn us over to satan for the destruction of the flesh. 1 corinthians 1-6. no one is saved by obeying the law. even in the old testiment there was sacrifices for sin.
---shira4368 on 1/17/13


//,But like Wesley and Luther we do not believe that being save by grace is a right to live in sin.

No Biblical oriented denomination really believes that salvation by grace entities one to live a life of sin. Adventists simply do not and refuse to acknowledge what others really believe.

Romans 6:1-2 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

The problem with Adventists is that they still believe one must abide by law in order to earn their salvation, If you do not believe me then view the Adventist doctrine of the Investigaive Judgment - a judgment totally of works for ones salvation.
---elee7537 on 1/17/13


Dear Haz

Apparently you do not read or understand what Seventh day Aventist teach. We believe we are saved by Grace alone through faith alone. But like Wesley and Luther we do not believe that being save by grace is a right to live in sin. Which as the Apostle John points out is transgression of the law of GOD. See all of first John.

So I would ask you Haz to not tell lies which is a sin.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/16/13


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francis, you did not answer my questions. None of them. Even the one that you never preach about salvation that comes from the Lord Jesus Christ. Always the same old Testament passages promoting the Law, and only because you want everyone to do Saturday Sabbath. If Saturday Sabbath was not the cause for all your preaching of the law, you probably find another reason, like the days of creation. You accuse others of saying things and never showed one answer where they did say what you said. So who is lying here? There is no salvation without Christ Jesus, and no salvation under the Law. Only One is perfect in keeping the law, Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 1/17/13


Follower_of_Christ said: "When a church claims christianity yet practices sin and allows it's members to live like the sinner and embrace the worlds traditions they are not part of the body of Christ"

This sounds like the SDA's.
They profess to know Christ, but by their works of the law they deny him.

Gal 2:18 tells us how the SDA's become sinners. They're under works of the law, thus making themselves transgressors/SINNERS.

1Tim 1:9 tells us the law was NOT made for the righteous (Christians). It was made for the ungodly and SINNERS, etc. The SDA's are these SINNERS.
SDA's follow the traditions of the world in refusing to submit to the righteousness of God.

Repent and believe in Jesus.
---Haz27 on 1/16/13


Q: Why are churches silent on these things?

A:There are those Christians that give movie reviews. I know because I searched.
---jan4378 on 12/8/12


haven't seen movie, understand its about living together (sin of fornication) having illegitimate children (bastards). World sinking further into despair and living for, and glorifying sin, and living in sin is not living Gods way. When a church claims christianity yet practices sin and allows it's members to live like the sinner and embrace the worlds traditions they are not part of the body of Christ. remaining silent about sin is accepting sin. The Lord Jesus commanded his people to come out of babylon (the world, its ways, man made traditions) and to live and walk with him. If a church has members that practice sin and the church allows them to stay eventually their sin (and living for the world) will spread to other members.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/24/12


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francis, to this day you have not mentioned the Lord Jesus Christ and His salvation through faith. All we see is your preaching of the law. ---Mark_V. on 11/24/12

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I recently saw the movie "The Five-Year Engagement". Many things that conflict with what the Bible teaches. The root of the problems we see around us. Why are churches silent on these things?

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i simply answered the question directly. It asked about sin, I answered about sin. I defined sin as the BIBLE defined sin ( trangression of the law)Then I said why churches do not preach against sin
If he had asked why do churches not preach Jesus I would have answered about Jesus
---francis on 11/24/12


francis, to this day you have not mentioned the Lord Jesus Christ and His salvation through faith. All we see is your preaching of the law. You say,

"Talk to a third church and they will say neither this no that is a sin because there is no condemnation to them that are in christ"

Can you show one blog where someone said that neither this nor that is sin, because there is no condemnation to those in Christ? I bet you cannot show one blog. Does your church teach "there is condemnation to those in Christ?" Does you church teach that SDA's are not sinners? That they are without sin because they do Saturday Sabbath? That they are able to keep all the laws without sinning?
---Mark_V. on 11/24/12


1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

If ANY church preaches that we must keep the law, and not sin, the members would leave. Because they have been taught many falsehoods concerning keeping the law. So for many of them it would be a disaster to teach men to keep the law, and avoid sin. Most church teach their members what the members already believe, and not what the bible says. That way the members feel comfortable in their sins

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
---francis on 11/23/12


Sag, the reason many preachers do not preach against sin is because church members don't want to hear it. Most church goers want to hear, "be the best you ever, how to get what I want, feal better in 90 days, how to get what I deserve, etc."

Didn't Paul say something about itchy ears....2 Tim 4:3
---trey on 11/23/12


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Beloved,family bro.MarkV.hit the nail.on the head! // If' Christians were christians we wouldn't have this problem//.he is correct.bro.Mark church can also, be small. & fallen away from god not giving sound doctrine' people unfortunately can be copycats if.the leader(s) do not teach or live the life a christlike born again, bible reading, prayer,christian principles making JESUS lord then, folks get disillutioned go down spiritual destruction.Somebody post way back mostly young pastors fall into temptations especialy if not called or not ready to lead/ be a servant.
---ELENA on 11/23/12


.Many places of worship have become "like the club" alot of bling- bling,social club,worldly.
in short alot are after money,pleasures of this world that why they do not preach against sin.
1Tim.3:2-7 how the overseer,leader over the leader should be specifies in vs.5(if anyone doesn't know how to manage his own family,how can he take care of God's church?
Note: I am NOT. saying every church but there are places like this.I have seen even when the kids are unruly the leaders are " lax " about. reprimand the parents they afraid of losing members.
---ELENA on 11/23/12


Francis: Any church that believes 1 John 3:4 could preach aboout sin. Mine does.
---Marie on 6/9/12
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


OK
---francis on 6/10/12


Francis: Any church that believes 1 John 3:4 could preach aboout sin. Mine does.
---Marie on 6/9/12


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MarkV 6/7/12 -- Agree with you there.

And to add to that: We are now living in what the bible calls the end days where so many false christs and false prophets have risen. Who, are either ignorant of God's righteousness and have thus established their own righteousness, or are "greedy dogs which can never have enough" (Isa.56:11).

They have deceived (and continue to deceive) many into believing a different Christ and following a different doctrine than what the apostles preached.
---jonweckl on 6/8/12


Trish, the same holds true at my church. But not on many others. Here is the other problem. In the big churches, no one knows everyone. Many are not members they just like to go there. Any person can get lost in there. When your missing they don't even know you are gone, unless you give money with a check, and someone tracks the money and knows who did not give. Just too many Churches with people not saved. When I was looking for a Church, my wife and I walked in, listened to what they taught, and many times we just walked out because the teachings were so outragious.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/12


MarkV, to be a member of my church you must be a believer, and have gone through baptism by immersion. My pastor requires people desiring to become members to go through a membership class, which is several weeks. He makes sure that a person is definitely a believer, and understands the responsibilities of church membership.
---Trish on 6/7/12


Sag, as to the blog question, I have never seen that movie. I really don't have to be reminded what the cause of all the problems are. I know why they are there. Sin. And many in the Churches are not genuine believers. They either have the wrong gospel, or they are just members who like to hang around with others who look holy on the outside appearance but inside they are like the Pharisees. This problem was there during the time of Christ, and it is still there. We need more genuine believers in Church. At one time only believers could be members. Now anyone can join by signing a little paper. Or just walking in and having a voice.
---Mark_V. on 6/7/12


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was speaking with my wife recently and stated that it is my belief that this country needs to get back to spirit filled, bible based, doctrinal preaching and teaching. Our churches are so filled with the world you can't tell most of them apart from a social club.
---trey on 6/6/12

What years was that?

Was that during the witch hunt years, the kill the native american years, the enslave african years, or the jim crow years?
---francis on 6/7/12


The other issue here is WHICH church is going to speak out on sin?

You talk to one denomination, they will say this is not a sin

talk to another they will say that is not a sin

Talk to a third church and they will say neither this no that is a sin because there is no condemnation to them that are in christ

the fourth church says all things are lawful for me, nothing is against the law of God for me

No two churches agree onw hat sin is, so which church t
should speak out on sin?
---francis on 6/7/12


Sag, you are right on. I agree also with MarkV, but people will only vote what they are taught. And if people do not hear about sin in church, then where will they hear it? Churches have a responsibility to teach against sin. If they do, people will hear and learn, and vote against the laws and programs that encourange and foster sinful lifestyles that cost everyone. Truthfull, it is not Bush or Obama that has gotten our country $14 trillion is debt, it is the fact that our government funds sinful living.
---Jed on 6/7/12


Sag, very true, but concerning those people you spoke of, the only alternative we have is to vote against the laws, and after that we have no control what the outcome will be. Giving our taxes to pay for immoral things we cannot control. We can control who we vote for. If the majority of Christians were Christians we could change the way we live. After voting it is then up to God. God wants us to support our government, and give to Caesar what is Caesars, and to God what is God's. Visible Churches today are filled with unbelievers. Jesus said it would be mixed. The bigger the church the more chances of it been a Church which has fallen. Yet, we as believers are called to edify the Church and not to condemn it.
---Mark_V. on 6/7/12


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Sag, I was speaking with my wife recently and stated that it is my belief that this country needs to get back to spirit filled, bible based, doctrinal preaching and teaching. Our churches are so filled with the world you can't tell most of them apart from a social club.

I was in a mega church recently that had a Star Bucks and a music store inside the church building. I wonder what Christ would do if he were here in the flesh? I wonder if he would make a whip and run them out? Probably not, he probably wouldn't go to that kind of church.
---trey on 6/6/12


Some rare churches still stand up for truth, but most mainstream denominations have the "itchng ears" & lean towards what the members wants to here where it fits in to the worldly ideas.They don't want to "offend" people feelings nor lose membership if they do.Well guess what?Gods word offends ,but it also nurtures & grows us. People want to coddle & tell others their sins are ok & Jesus still loves them when it is against scripture.
---womandisciple on 6/6/12


Thanks for everyone's reply to my question.

Still, I'm concerned about how much people's sinful living ends up costing. EVERYONE is affected to some degree.

Some people might be responsible for the consequences of their own sin. Examples: Having to pay Child Support, Alimony, or Restitution, Serving Time In Jail or Community Service.

Most of us pay taxes which are used to fund programs for raising all the children that are born without Fathers to support them. And taxes pay for Jails too. They are not FREE!

I believe that churches are making a very expensive mistake by NOT teaching people that sinful living is NOT pleasing to God and hurts EVERYONE.
---Sag on 6/4/12


duane....brother, Amen to that.
---JIM on 6/4/12


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Many years ago a celebrity got married before having children. If they didn't, it was called a scandal. A scandal, because back then the church set the moral code.
Today celebrities do not get married when they have children, and there is no scandal. There is no scandal because today the celebrities have done away with the morality set by the church.
---David on 6/4/12


"---Mark_V. on 6/2/12" That is exactly what I am talking about. I knew that you would understand.Thank you for your response. And thank you for the Amen Char:o)
---joseph on 6/2/12


Its our responsibility to preach the reason Christ came, that is to reconcile us all to God.
We can preach against sin but to no avail because man has not the Spirit of God. Lets preach Christ so man can have life and be set free from sin once and for all.
The only way to take away sin is through Christ/Cross.
---duane on 6/2/12


"It is our responsibility to share Christ with 'them' (the lost). We must show them their need for Him. It is not the preachers responsibility to preach against sin. It is His responsibility to preach the righteousness of Christ, in addition to equipping believers to use our gifts to reach the lost." ---Trish on 6/1/12 Exactly. ()'s mine. Well said Trish.
---joseph on 6/2/12


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Joseph, very good answers you gave. They mean alot. I suppose that as believers we respond to bad movies because we care about what is happening in the world. And so many respond by disagreeing on all the immoral things going on around us. It is our flesh that gets upset with what is going on. Because in the heart we are moved towards Christ everyday, and would want everyone to feel what we feel inside. But we are not called to cause trouble. Our religion is spiritual. For it is God who convicts the heart of sin.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/12


Joseph: You brought up an excellent point. Believers are indwelled by the Holy Spirit of God, who convicts us of sin. Unbelievers do not have the Holy Spirit to convict them of sin. So, it is our responsibility to share Christ with them. We must show them their need for Him, and, as you said, share the righteousness of Christ.

As you said, it is not the preachers responsibility to preach against sin. It is His responsibility to preach the righteousness of Christ, in addition to equipping believers to use our gifts to reach the lost.
---Trish on 6/1/12


//---joseph on 6/1/12//

Amen.
---char on 6/1/12


Man, whether willing to acknowledge or confess it, are aware of the sin in his/her life. For the law brought about a knowledge sin, and that law has been written upon the heart of every man. Man's conscience bearing witness of that. There is no need for the Church to sound off about sin. What man needs to be made aware of is the righteousness of Christ that has been made available to him through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. Who was made to be sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Christ. Therefore "I" say "Awake to righteousness, and do not sin, for some do not have the knowledge of God." However all have a knowledge of sin. Teach righteousness, in Christ. Rom 3:20>Rom 2:14,15>1Cr 15:34>2Cr 3:3
---joseph on 6/1/12


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\\Churches are silent on sin because they are chuches of satan that preach a different gospel, and are therefore the enemy of God and are accursed. For their choice of sin, God will give them strong delusion that they will believe the lie, and will all likewise perish.\\

And Eloy has said he wanted to have his own church so he can spread his delusion to others and won't be alone.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/31/12


It's an R movie. Churches may not at every moment say something about every detail of every wrong thing in this world. But if we hear that we need to keep our mind on things above, this covers everything, without taking time to point out every wrong thing that is not above. "Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth." (Colossians 3:2)

"For the time has come for judgement to begin at the house of God, and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17) Judgment mainly needs attention to ourselves and how we can be wrong. So, this may be a reason why a Biblical church concentrates on judging ourselves, instead of this world.
---willie_c: on 5/31/12


---Jed on 5/30/12
I really like what scot said about our critcisim helping to promote these movies.

I can recall that the first I ever heard of harry poter was on christian radio.

I am not saying that we should preach love without repentance. I am saying that being a movie critic is a waste of time it only gives further FREE publicity to these movies, but does nothing to change the hearts of men.

example of free publicity: This is the first time I have heard of The Five-Year Engagement and it is from a christian website
---francis on 5/30/12


Francis, Scott1, I believe we are to take a stand against immorality. It's not just an individual issue, it's also a cultural issue. So many have not taken a stand and today that kind of behavior seems acceptable. Children grow up today thinking there is nothing wrong with it, because over several decades our society has made it the norm. It is the churches responsibility to whitness. Preaching love without repentence if fruitless.
---Jed on 5/30/12


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Churches are silent on sin because they are chuches of satan that preach a different gospel, and are therefore the enemy of God and are accursed. For their choice of sin, God will give them strong delusion that they will believe the lie, and will all likewise perish.
---Eloy on 5/30/12


Why are churches silent on these things?
---Sag on 5/30/12
I like these verses from the bible in situations like this:

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Our Job is to preach the gospel, not to be movie critics. When we are able to win people to christ, the holy ghost will change their behavior

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth.

We should focus on keeping christians in a steadfast and strait walk with christ, and let God judge those outside the church
---francis on 5/30/12


Not all churches are silent on these things. If yours is silent, you might want to consider another church.
---KarenD on 5/30/12


Since now you have more words, would you be more specific on what you find objectionable in the movie?
---Cluny on 5/30/12

The movie characters are living together -- unmarried -- and having kids out-of-wedlock. Their wedding keeps getting postponed for many reasons.

None of this stuff is illegal, but isn't pleasing to God.

The hurt of these things shows up later in: Divorces, Child Custody Fights, Angry Parents, etc.

And life in these circumstances is tough. Several of my own cousins lived though them. The children involved are now adults, but many resent their childhoods. And the cycle of sin will likely repeat itself.
---Sag on 5/30/12


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As christians we are made to love people. In the past, we have protested and argued and cried foul over movies, divorce, and trying to legislate morallity which cannot be done. The cry about Harry Potter, and da vinci code, etc only help promote the subject which is what the christian argument was trying to avoid. The only thing created was a false image of being self-righteous bigots to non-christians.
---Scott1 on 5/30/12


Since I've not seen the move, I'm in no position to say what's in it. I don't think I'm the only one here who has not seen it, either.

Since now you have more words, would you be more specific on what you find objectionable in the movie?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/12


First, you cannot expect Godly behavior from the world. Unbelievers practice sin, and the world we live in is made up of sinners. Problem is, unbelievers don't know they are sinning and in need of a Savior.

Second, I do not believe the Churches are silent on these things, not all of them. I believe the focus is more equipping the Body of Christ to go out to the unbelievers and show them their need of Jesus, and create disciples out of them.

The Great Commission that Jesus gave said nothing about sin. It said go and make disciples. He said teach them to obey AFTER they become disciples.
---Trish on 5/30/12


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