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True Child-Like Faith

Is the faith of a little child true faith? Someone claims that is true faith. If it is true faith, why are they so wrong? Did Jesus say, a child's faith is what we should have? Scripture please.

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9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

But Every man will not come to taste LIFE in Christ...

So how do you want to destroy this verse MarkV...every man doesn't mean every man?
---kathr4453 on 6/26/12


Correct Eloy, what MarkV fails to see in Ephesians is these words, " AT THAT TIME" What time? THAT TIME when there were the circumcision and the uncircumcision.

SO, we see from Adam to Moses no such TIME existed.

And we see that there were 430 years before any COVENANTS RE Plural, were given to ISRAEL, that is Joseph's descendents that did not annul any promises given to Abraham, who was not a Jew.

God never made any Covenant"S" with Israel, Jacobs descends SO THAT God could send Gentiles to Hell.

The point is here those Covenant"S" make with Israel, RE Land etc, do not belong to the CHURCH!

The CHURCH is ONE NEW MAN IN CHRIST!
---kathr4453 on 6/26/12


How sad some don't read the Bible. Ruth JOINED herself to Israel...and certainly was not WITHOUT HOPE!


Isaiah 56:6-8

6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/12


Kathr, the term whole world does not always mean every individual. Sometimes this term means only a relatively small part of the world, as when Paul wrote to the new Christian Church at Rome that their faith was "proclaimed througout the whole world: (Rom.1:8). None but believers would paise those Romans, in fact the wrold at large did not even know that such a Church existed at Rome. So Paul meant only the believing world or the Christian Church. Another passage is when "There went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be enrolled.." (Luke 2:1,3) yet we know that the writer had in mind only that comparatively small part of the world which was controlled by Rome.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/12


kathr4453, A-men sister. The righteous God-followers always existed ever since the beginning. We see in the old testament, in the beginning there were two brothers, Abel and Cain, the righteous and the other sinuous. Ham and Shem, the one righteous and the other sinuous, Jacob and Esau, the one righteous and the other sinuous. There were always the righteous and the wicked, the sheep of God, and the goats of satan, the wheat and the tares. And the Scripture says in Matthew 25:31-46 that Jesus will divide them one from the other. And in Luke 16:26 there is a great gulf or chasm fixed between the two that the condemned are not able to cross over from their eternal torments up into the kingdom.
---Eloy on 6/26/12




Kathr says,
"MarkV thinks he has a new toy to play with in Ephesians proving God sent millions upon millions of gentiles to hell."
God didn't sent them to hell but thats where they went for, from the time the were born they headed that way, for they had no hope and were without God. Hello?
Kathr said,
God told Abraham right from the beginning, in thee will ALL families of the earth be blessed.".
You forgot about those who curse Israel would be cursed. All people are blessed in someway or another.
Third, I did not write Ephesians, Paul did. Read the Bible and understand.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/12


And since when did any Covenants of Promise ever secure the eternal salvation of a Jew to begin with?
All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, and ALL are brought near by the Blood of Jesus Christ.
MarkV thinks he has a new toy to play with in Ephesians proving God sent millions upon millions of gentiles to hell.
Foolish and unlearned questions avoid..And MarkV I am going to obey that verse. Your comments and questions are foolishness. God told Abraham right from the beginning, in thee will ALL families of the earth be blessed.

Abel with maybe millions were saved before any Covenants of promise were given to Israel. The EVERLASTING Covenant was given to Adam & Eve. Genesis 3:15
---kathr4453 on 6/25/12


"We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the evil one" the author didn't mean the whole world lieth in the evil one because he had just said "we know that we are of God" He didn't mean them too.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/12


Well Markv, the difference here is that AFTER we are saved we are no longer part of this world. Paul even says, I am crucified to the world, and the world to me.

Jesus came...((please read Hebrews 2 carefully))...to deliver man from the EVIL ONE!
---kathr4453 on 6/25/12


Kathr, you reject the Truth at the expense of your own soul.

Believers and those who will believe, are those chosen from the foundation of the world and are the beloved of God, the elect in the Old and New Testament.
"And shall God not avenge His own Elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge them speedily" (Luke 18:7,8). The same people in (2 Peter 3:8,9) if you have ears to hear then hear, that God always does right for His children.

Concerning your free will,
It was not until Pentacost, that the gospel went to all Gentiles. If they were given free will, why were they not given the gospel? They died without God.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/12


Then explain how all Gentiles nations who were human beings----died without hope, and without God?

---Mark_V. on 6/24/12


Again, just another twist in your understanding.

Now you want to play dispensationalist? That before the resurrection of Jesus Gentiles were not saved, but AFTER His resurrection, You a gentile finds salvation?

God's elect then is base on before and after His rsurrection????Only Gentiles AFTER His resurrection are Elect?

You make no sense, because you keep changing the rules.

THEN we know the Promise of the Spirit was never promised to Gentiles before the resurrection correct...yet you say all in the OT were Born again, Including Abel who was never a Jew to begin with.
---kathr4453 on 6/24/12




Kathr, you said,

"Scripture never uses "WORLD" to mean only the Elect."

No it doesn't. World can mean the fallen world, it could mean mankind, it could be only the world around the area spoken of. It could mean Jews and Gentiles. Sometimes the term world is used when only a large part of the world is meant, as when it is said that the Devil is "the deceiver of the whole world" if he was, there would be no one in Christ. In ( 1 John 5:19) "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the evil one" the author didn't mean the whole world lieth in the evil one because he had just said "we know that we are of God" He didn't mean them too.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/12


Common sense tells us that it does not mean men only. And common sense tells us that not every individual receives the saving grace of God, for many are in hell already.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/12

And common sense tells us John 3:16 means just that, the whole world. It does not say, just the elect and that God gave His Only begotten Son for just a few elect?

1st John:

And not only for OUR sin BUT the sin of the WHOLE WORLD.

TWO entirely different groups here.

Scripture never uese "WORLD" to mean only the Elect.
---kathr4453 on 6/24/12


Kathr, Shira is nothing like you. She's never asked me questions or ever condemned me concerning free will. So, stop the nonsense.
You gave:
"Ezekiel 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh."

Where in those passages did God say, that before He does what He is going to do, you have to give Him permission to do it. Because that is what you believe, that man has free will and without you willing, He can do nothing. Then explain how all Gentiles nations who were human beings as you, who you say had free will never got the gospel and died without hope, and without God?
---Mark_V. on 6/24/12


MarkV, God IS the Savior of all men, because He is the ONLY Savior! But only those who trust in him AS Savior will be saved. We're back to that trust thing that is required of man!

A policeman doesn't lose his title as an enforcer of the law because we all break laws does he? Likewise God still is the "Savior of all men"!
The reason why not all go to spend eternity with him is because they deny the very Lord who bought them! (2 Peter 2:1) Once again proof that Christ died for all but only those who believe in Him will be saved. Just like scripture says....
---LindaH on 6/24/12


MarkV, for one who is so knowledgable you sure do miss the little things.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men

The word APPEARED in that passage means "shined upon". Ephaino in Greek. Its where we get our word EPIPHANY from.
Meaning that all men have the capacity to understand the gospel! The light of Christ has appeared unto all men!

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world

You seem to read scripture and constantly say within yourself "well that doesnt make sense to me, so that must not be what the scripture means!" Proverbs 3:5 is for you. Stop rewriting Gods word and your eyes will be opened.
---LindaH on 6/24/12


MarkV, you said...

Chris, and Trish, I agree with both of you on the answers you gave. Chris is right on. So many true Christians have died for the cause of God. Some in countries so poor, they themselves gave their own lives to help others. Poverty is all over the world, and covers everyone, both the children of God and those not of God. Sin is the main cause. There is enough essentials for everyone on earth, but because of sin, so many die of hungar and thirst. God is not ready to end sin.
---Mark_V. on 5/11/12


But America is?????
---kathr4453 on 6/24/12


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-- My dad did preach free will. we are all free to make a choice. my dad was anointed by the Holy Ghost. I don't know what markv believes but I have seen some of his post and I agree with most of his beliefs. Ye must be born again....we are born of water and spirit. water is natural birth and by the Spirit of a Holy God, we are born again.
---shira4368 on 6/22/12


MarkV, before you come down from your high horse, maybe if you were really honest here about bashing EVERYONE who believes in free will, start with, or atleast include Shira....or is it that you won't because she worships you, and that is what is most important to you?

Even her belief on Born Again which is correct is not yours on re-birth.
---kathr4453 on 6/24/12


Linda, most people with common sense will understand the passages do not mean every individual in the world. You gave:
"1 Tim 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that appeared to all men"


If your saying that the passages means what it seems to imply by the literal words there, then the grace of God did not appear to you or any woman in the world, for it says, "to all men"
Common sense tells us that it does not mean men only. And common sense tells us that not every individual receives the saving grace of God, for many are in hell already.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/12


Shes just reading scripture for what it says MarkV. Most people with common sense and small children know what the words "whole world, all men and every man" mean. Gods offer of salvation is available to all men since Christ died for all. God is the savior of all men.

1 Tim 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that appeared to all men

Appeared as in "shined upon" all men. Its where we get the word "epiphany" from. That means ALL men have the ability to understand WHO Jesus Christ is and trust in him to receive life! (John 20:31)
---LindaH on 6/20/12


Kathr, you say,

"
For God so loved the WORLD, meaning all men everywhere."


You added to the Word of God what's not there, with complete disregard to the warning for adding to Scripture.
Second, No where does it say God loved every individual the same, for He would not have ordain Christ to be a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world, there would have been no tree of knowledge of good and evil, and no curse, He wouldn't have separated the children of God with the children of satan, and He would have saved all.
"Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and "beloved" put on tender mercies... ( Col. 3:12). The elect are the beloved.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/12


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So you two are in the same accord. Believing many can stop Him. Which is nonsense.
---Mark_V. on 6/19/12


O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

According to this scripture (and also Hebrews 3:15), MarkV, what stopped God from taking Israel under his wing? From God's OWN MOUTH! Read it and stop resisting the Holy Ghost with these foolish fantasies you live by!

There is only thing God has made very clear will not be stopped. That is his final judgement.
---LindaH on 6/19/12


Well MarkV, For God so loved the WORLD, meaning all men everywhere.

And not only for ours but the sin of the WHOLE WORLD again all men everywhere.

Praise God WE can tell ALL men everywhere, no matter what or who they are God so loved the World HE GAVE His ONly Begotten Son that they may be saved and escape the wrath to come.

So YES...AMEN LINDAH!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/19/12


Kathr, you forgot to "amen" Linda for saying,
" In fact it deepens my love for him knowing that He desires ALL men to be saved and know the truth, just as his word states."
Because if God is God, and we know He is, nothing stops Him for doing His will and save everyone. For
"He doeth "according to His will" in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35). And that means no one. If it was His will to save everyone, He would and no one can stop Him. So you two are in the same accord. Believing many can stop Him. Which is nonsense.
---Mark_V. on 6/19/12


Its not necessary for me to believe I'm part of a select few that God wants to save in order to be grateful for his salvation. In fact it deepens my love for him knowing that He desires ALL men to be saved and know the truth, just as his word states. That kind of love is a perfect love. It is not partial. It shows no favoritism. Theres just as much mercy and grace for the liar as there is for the sexually deviant.

---LindaH on 6/18/12


Oh LindaH AWESOME POST Girlfriend.

WOW, I'm grateful because Jesus died in my place, and gave me a New Heart upon my resurrection life IN HIM, first being baptized into his death.

MarkV never got THAT new Heart!(The ONLY one scripture even acknowledges)
---kathr4453 on 6/19/12


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Ezekiel 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


This is what Nicodemius should have known, however the NEW Covenent did not come into effect until Jesus rose from the dead. The New Covenant is a covenent in HIS BLOOD(not bulls and goats) shed at calvary.

God did not remake your heart and your spirit....we are given a NEW Heart and NEW Spirit...God's Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 6/19/12


Linda, I did not divide the children. God did through the Curse in Gen. (3:15). The children of the devil and the children of Christ. I did not choose anyone before the foundation of the world, God did. I did not make the plan, He did. I am not Ruler of heaven and earth, He is. I only present Scripture to you and you do what you so desire. If you are saved you will believe His Word, and if you are not you will not believe it. It is as simple as that.
I am sorry I do not love child murderers, I love the children. If I disappoint you for loving the children more then the murderers then you must have something really wrong in your theology or just maybe you are just more holier then I.
---Mark_V. on 6/18/12


MarkV, I am thankful. Thankful that God loved me AND the rest of the world enough to lay his life down for me.

Its not necessary for me to believe I'm part of a select few that God wants to save in order to be grateful for his salvation. In fact it deepens my love for him knowing that He desires ALL men to be saved and know the truth, just as his word states. That kind of love is a perfect love. It is not partial. It shows no favoritism. Theres just as much mercy and grace for the liar as there is for the sexually deviant.

I use to wish child molesters and murderers would burn in hell also, now I only wish them to find the love of Jesus Christ as well. You should have that love for them in you!
---LindaH on 6/18/12


Kathr, you said:

"MarkV fails to understand our hearts are changed AFTER we are saved, not before." Wrong.

I will give you the Truth again,

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, "who were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12,13).

Only those " born of God" already, and only those, "received Him" past tense.
No unbeliever comes to Christ since they don't believe. They have to be made alive to Christ. No one in the darkness can walk into the light for they love darkness rather then the light.
---Mark_V. on 6/18/12


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if you suggesting I want to complicate it or spiritualize it, you are wrong about me.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/12

I was not thinking of you when I made the post. I did not use your name in my post and did not refer to you in any way. I would not assume anything about you. I try to only respond to your words and not any perceived intention behind them.

Your walk with Christ is your own. I cannot control what you believe, say, or what you do. I can only love, exhort, and pray for you. Everything else is up to God.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/18/12


If we do what His word says to do and GIVE and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, shaken together and runneth over, then God will do His part for us.

We have to give something first, then God will multiply that back to us a hundred fold.

---anon on 5/7/12

Question anon, did Moses have to hold up the ROD FIRST before God parted the sea, or would God have parted it anyway if Moses didn't do his part?

Does the same go for spreading the Gospel? Are we responsible to do OUR PART FIRST before God can do His?

OR, did the children of Israel just wake up one morning in the promise land without FIRST doing their part? Don't answer me, answer MarkV.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/12


The work of the Holy Spirit in you after salvation is called sanctification. We hear God's voice, teaching and instruction, we are changed from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of the Lord and so much more. This is why after your salvation you are His sheep who can hear His voice.

HOWEVER before salvation that is before the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, who was PROMISED to live IN US as the New Covenant Promise, we must first be JUSTIFIED.

Justification is simply believing and receiving the Gospel message. One MUST be first Justified by HIS BLOOD before you are Born Again/or indwelt with the Holy Spirit.

You cannot ENTER INTO God's presence without first being WASHED IN HIS BLOOD!
---kathr4453 on 6/17/12


I know you have no power within you to change your own heart. God is not waiting to get permission. If you are one of the elect, thank God for saving you and be thankful that God chose you from the foundation of the world.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/12

MarkV fails to understand our hearts are changed AFTER we are saved, not before.

A New Heart is the promise that comes with the New Covenant promises. Of coarse it's God who changes our hearts after salvation...that's what salvation IN CHRIST is all about. It's HIS LIFE that flows through our NEW HEART. HE is not IN YOU before you are saved.

MarkV just cannot separate justification from Sanctification. TWO entirely different issues.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/12


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//No one can reason or intellectually EXPLAIN HOW Moses parted the red sea. However many have tried.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/12//

Exodus 15:8 does indeed tell us HOW God parted the red sea. "by the breath of His nostrils." It wasn't Moses who parted the Red Sea, it was GOD.
Moses was the instrument GOd used, but it was God who, by the breath of his nostrils parted the Red Sea.
---anon on 6/17/12


markv, please don't mind some on here who say your are unlearned in scripture. I have diligently watched blogs and your answers always right. maybe some don't know how to read you. I know sometimes I mispell some words but I still know what I believe and why I believe it.
---shira4368 on 6/17/12


Linda, as I said before, I do make mistakes, as I did reading your blog the reason I never said I was perfect, and everyday I learn more and more so don't fear for me. My education is not like yours. One thing is sure, I place my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Spirit in my life.
But you should fear God. When you answer the way you do, you are showing no fear of God. I pray for you each day, for I know who can change your heart, God. I know you have no power within you to change your own heart. God is not waiting to get permission. If you are one of the elect, thank God for saving you and be thankful that God chose you from the foundation of the world.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/12


Mark, I never said I was fearful OF you. I said that I feared FOR you. *rolls eyes*
You appear to struggle with reading comprehension. Maybe that's why you're confused doctrinally. Are you Hispanic by chance?
---LindaH on 6/17/12


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Kathr, I answer you with the Truth. If your God is not Almighty God Ruler of heaven and earth, then you have the wrong god. If He is as you teach, then you don't have the God of the Bible, but a god you formed in your mind. For He is not waiting to see if you give Him permission to be your Lord.
It's pretty simple. For
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
again,
"There are many devices in a man's heart, nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand" (Prov. 19:21).

It is no more possible for the Divine counsels to fail in their execution than it would be for our Holy God to lie.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/12


Never mind MarkV...you just don't know or understand scripture. You want to play blind because it really bothers you it doesn't fall in with Calvinism. Or maybe you really are BLIND RE Revelation 3...but you can buy salve for your eyes from Christ for that problem.

ENTERING IN is the KEY, regardless of whether it's children, like those who entered the PROMISE LAND, just another way of saying SALVATION, or entering His REST, also another way of saying SALVATION, or entering the narrow gate, just another way of saying SALVATION. Or entering through the Veil, that is to say His Flesh, just ANOTHER way of saying SALVATION.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/12


Kathr, you gave no passages because no where does it state that "children with faith only" entered the promised land. The adults (their for fathers) did not enter because they disobeyed God. God had made a promise to them if they obeyed. He did not make the promise to their children. So before you start giving lessons read the Bible. And we are not talking about Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses, but about what you state.

Linda, don't fear me, fear God, for He is the One who will judge you in the end. You don't have to believe me to enter heaven, you have to believe in the eternal begotten Son of God. And who He really is.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/12


MarkV loves insulting those by saying "your god" with a lower case g. We don't believe in Allah, Buddha, or any other god or gods, so for him to do that is really a blasphemy to God. OUR GOD is the God of scripture MarkV, therefore you insult GOD by making such insulting remarks to HIS OWN BODY.

You have the most obnoxious way of communing with others.

I see nothing Christ like at all in you. Your nothing but a clanging GONG.

I'm not the only one who has pointed this out...yet your delusion of grandeur wants you to believe you are being persecuted for Jesus sake...

Christians who are truly persecuted never broadcast it anyway...just another sign of arrogance here.

Get real!
---kathr4453 on 6/16/12


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Sorry...correction, it's in Numbers...

Numbers 32:11-13
11 Surely none of the men that came up out of Egypt, from twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, because they have not wholly followed me:
---kathr4453 on 6/16/12


MarkV, that is exactly why you should not judge others who disagree with you as being from their father the devil and why you shouldnt curse the God they believe in. Ive seen some of the things you say and they make me fear for you. Such as calling "their" god weak and powerless because He doesnt force men to believe in him and serve him.

God has been the same throughout all of scripture. He longs for us so He reasons with us. When we reject him, He becomes jealous and angry and lets evil happen to us to turn us BACK to him. Why? Because He LOVES us! Because we wants to give us a fuller life via a relationship with Him!
---LindaH on 6/16/12


MarkV, I'm really shocked at how little you know of scripture. Only those 20 and under crossed into the promise land except Joshua and Caleb who took them over. ALL had to wait until everyone over 20 died before they entered.

Are you really that unlearned in scripture? Read it for yourself mark, it's more than 125 words, but you can read it at the end of Deuteronomy.

You do have a legitimate Bible don't you, or did the Book of Mormon leave that out...or did Calvin just fail to include that in his commentaries because it doesn't fit in with Calvinism.

No wonder you argue with so many here..They know teh bible and you don't I guess. Now we've pinpointed the problem....selective scriptures.
---kathr4453 on 6/16/12


Kathr, you gave a whole narrative concerning the people of Israel and said only children entered the promised land because they had faith. I'm sure you have no Scripture where that is written, correct? You have a lot to say, but never give any Scripture just your own opinion. Of course everything on earth belongs to God, so He can give them whatsoever He wants. He is God after all. God took away from other nations and gave to Israel what wasn't theirs to begin with. What have I been telling you for years, that God does what He wants and man's free will means zip. Nada. Zero. But you argue man has a right over God. You refuse the Soverignty of God but use it when it suits you.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/12


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Linda, I admit, I don't know it all. I will never know it all. Every day I look up passages and read the context and learn more each day. You and others have made it possible for me to study more and more, so I do thank you. it was ordained for you to be there so that I could learn more about God. So I do know who saved me, God. And know God never knells to sinful man. That was my first lesson as a believer. I know He never changes, His nature, character, and attributes never change no matter what my opinion is of any passage. If one passage I interpret goes against His nature, character or attributes I have the passage wrong. I admit when I do. I might make mistakes in spelling, or make a comment wrong, I'm not ashame to admit it.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/12


Shake the dust off your feet, Kathr. Youre playing his game. This man will never see the truth until he is first willing to admit he doesnt know as much as he thinks.
---LindaH on 6/15/12

So true Linda H, MarkV reminds me of an autistic child. He can only repeat what others have taught him, but no ability to THINK and work through things..connecting the dots.

But that too may be due to not having the Holy Spirit as His teacher. He looks to man to teach him, not to God to enlighten the scriptures to Him.

If he would just learn to listen before speaking, he could actually learn from others, if he also put aside his pride. God gave gifts to all His children to learn from one another...Ephesians 4.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/12


Shake the dust off your feet, Kathr. Youre playing his game. This man will never see the truth until he is first willing to admit he doesnt know as much as he thinks.
---LindaH on 6/15/12


MarkV, the KEY WORD here is ENTER IN.

Now look up scripture concerning ENTERING IN.

Entering In His Rest,Hebrews 4
Entering in through the veil.Hebrews 10
Entering in the narrow gate..just to name a few.

We enter in, THROUGH FAITH...it's just that simple.

Yet no where are we told we must first be Born Again first TO ENTER IN.

We come to Christ through Faith. When we come to Christ, we ENTER IN. He is our rest, HE is the narrow gate, HE IS that veil, that is through the flesh.HE IS the Kingdom of God

You simply fail connect ALL the DOTS.

Those who did not "enter into" the promise land did not because they did not have faith Heb 3-4.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/12


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Do you know what is really interesting MarkV, and so revealing? Take those who were promised the land. It was already theirs.. God gave it to them, He promised it, and kept His promise. Moses bbrought them right to the edge, the very line to cross over/or ENTER IN. Yet we see these tainted stubborn old men and woman who saw miracles etc, did not have a child like faith to enter....GUESS WHO ENTERED, CHILDREN. Children entered the promise land.

They entered by faith, child like faith, as well as being children too.

But God didn't forordain their parents no entry. THEY just did not have child like faith to enter.

So Good noght MarkV, and meditate on that before you say more.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/12


Kathr, "If we are to belong to God, we must come to Him as children."

here is the passage,
"Jesus say's, "Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it at all"

It mean,
1. are Children perfect? just check your chilren.
2. Does He mean children are innocent? Does He mean if children do wrong they are not accountable, they are not guilty before God?
Notice "He does not say we are to become like a child." Instead, it says we must receive the kingdom "like a child." Indeed, because Paul tells us we are not to be like children tossed here and there carried about every doctrine. (Eph. 4:14).
---Mark_V. on 6/15/12


Mark Eaton* We need to remember this is a free gift. No strings attached.

But there are strings attach, it is a free gift but we have to do our part as you alluded to in the other blog ( Now, there are things afterward that you must do to prove your salvation, such as be baptised, keep the commandments, etc) About the thief on the cross verse, where was he going to get baptise at? He was about to die and Jesus had not given the great commission to baptize (MT 28:19)-Notice it is the first thing Jesus told the Apostles to do!

"If you abide in me, and my words abide in you"

"You are my friends if you do what I command you"

Free gift but we must do our part!
---Ruben on 6/15/12


If we are to belong to God, we must come to Him as children.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/12


So MarkV what is all the fuss? This is what Jesus said AND what I said Jesus said.


All that smoke and fire for absolutely nothing. Maybe you just like to see your words in writing, or hear yourself talk. All that talk was so UNNECESSARY!
---kathr4453 on 6/15/12


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Kathr, I am not God, or a policemen. I do check what you write. I can answer you whenever I want, whether you like it or not. It is an open forum. Second, I am a servant of God. And as a servant of God, when one of the brothers or sisters is in error, I am called to correct them. If they don't listen, and want to speak evil to me, I cannot stop them. They will have to give account to God not me. I know when I speak the Truth I will be hated by many. Only those lost will hate me. Those who are saved are under the commandments of Jesus Christ. Love our brothers and sisters. They will love me no matter what. If they love the Lord with a great passion, they will want to discuss God's Word, not fight it.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/12


Kathr, you wrote down in (Heb. 11:7)

"By faith" Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear.."

Not only didd Noah have faith, was "divinely warned" The writer of Hebrews begins made that clear. I believe you need to pick another passage.

Michael e, of course children can have true faith, or saving faith.
"Yet to all who receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:12).
By God's power and love, kids can become the children of God, and by His power and love, we adults can become children too. If we are to belong to God, we must come to Him as children.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/12


Mark E, if you suggesting I want to complicate it or spiritualize it, you are wrong about me. Not many children know about salvation, or baptism, or about the character, nature and attributes of God. In fact many here who are adults don't know either. So please, before you condemn me, discuss some of the issues instead. Children hear about Jesus, but have no clue what salvation consist of. They have no clue what it is to be born again. Even Necodemus didn't know, and he was a teacher of God's Word. This things have to be revealed by God through the Holy Spirit. They will have true faith, only if God reveals it to them otherwise they are like adults with no spiritual understanding.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/12


MarkV, I already KNOW the truth. So now you want to play God and disect my faith?

Anything you disagree with or just do not understand yourself, you decide that person is a liar and does not knwo truth or have true faith.

Sorry MarkV, by God did not make you the truth police, the faith police.

And you admit you have never read this verse, and needed me to tell you where it is, and what it said? I thought you claimed you knew scripture??? E#veryone else BUT YOU knows that verse...and every commentary written KNOWS it's about FAITH. Why are you the one here causing trouble?

I appreciate your comment Mark_Eaton! THAT WAS TRUTH!
---kathr4453 on 6/15/12


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//Belief, Faith, and Salvation are so simple, so easy, that a child certainly can have true faith.//
amen
How could these vs be any plainer
1Cor 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have BELIEVED in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 6/15/12


Kathr, if only you would stop to think before you answered, instead of just wanting to argue, you would know the Truth.
Have you put down a verse? You talked a lot with verses but never once do you put down chapter and verse. Once you put down the chapter and passages then maybe you will get an answer from me or someone else.
Third, a person must be born of God to enter the kingdom of heaven and have eternal life. Only those will enter.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/12


Kathr, you think you are very smart and wise by twisting the words of Jesus In John 14:6). What does (v.1) say? "Let not your hearts be troubled , you believe in God, believe also in Me" Just believing never saved anyone, that believe has to be by saving faith. (v.10) "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?" Again, the question is about faith. (v. 11) Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, "or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves" again it is about faith that He is who He claims He is. So the passage you gave in the context is full of faith. You just refuse to see it. I forgot, you are unable to see the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/12


Mark 10:13-15
13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Can YOU receive the Kingdom of God WITHOUT FAITH???

Yet you say you are given faith to SEE IT. Did you "see it" before or after you RECEIVED IT? And where does it say these chindren were already BORN AGAIN first?

This is what you have a problem with MarkV. This exposes Calvins lie.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/12


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Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house, by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Here is a perfect example of FAITH. Yet, we never see or Hear Noah say the word faith or believe....HIS ACTIONS PROVED he believed God without first SEEING anything.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/12


I only care what God says, and what His word says....and it doesn't get any more child like than that!.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/12

Thank you.

I just spent time with Rueben on another blog talking about this same subject, only in relationship to baptism.

Belief, Faith, and Salvation are so simple, so easy, that a child certainly can have true faith.

Why do we doubt that?

Because we want to intellectualize it, complicate it, and make it more difficult than it is to exclude people as WE see fit.

We need to remember this is a free gift. No strings attached. We need to keep from adding strings when we pass it on to others.

Where is Mima when we need him?
---Mark_Eaton on 6/15/12


John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


oh Dear...is there a problem with this verse too?

The word FAITH is not said here, or said in John 3:16 either, along with many many verses WE KNOW mean faith.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/12


--- If it is true faith, why are they so wrong? ---markV//


Firstly markv, you asked, IF it is true faith, why are they so wrong....

Who is "THEY" HERE and what do you mean by "they are wrong"? Is that presumption on your part....their faith in Jesus is wrong? Jesus REBUKED those like yourself in those verses.



Your question is what is bazzar to begin with.

When one THROUGH ACTION as joseph so rightly pointed out, comes to Jesus...THAT is a faith that God and Jesus HONOR, according to THEIR definition of faith.

I only care what God says, and what His word says....and it doesn't get any more child like than that!.

They are the only FAITH POLICE needed.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/12


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MarkV, according to your understanding of that verse then, no FAITH is necessary at all to enter the Kingdom of God.

Or are you saying that those who COME TO JESUS have no faith in Calvin or his doctrine, therefore are disqualified to enter the Kingdom of God.

Or are you suggesting Jesus is saying the Kingdom of God is not salvation?

There is only TWO kinds of faith in scripture...FAITH and faith without works is a dead faith. There is no other called true faith or saving faith.

YOU said/ or should I say Calvin teaches no one can COME TO JESUS unless they are given the Gift of faith...so YOU are wrong here suggesting there is no faith involved, because it's not YOUR definition of faith.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/12


Kathr, you are always heading in the wrong direction. Those two passages you gave concerning children, mention no kind of faith. I don't want to waste time copying and pasting what you wrote down so I will skip them. Can you provide a passage that speaks concerning childrens faith?
You need to read what Josef wrote again and again maybe, by some miracle your eyes will be open to what we are talking about, then maybe you can understand what the blog is about. Concering how many kingdoms there is, I really have no clue what in all creation you are talking about. Find someone who can understand you, then maybe they have an answer for you.
---Mark_V. on 6/14/12


What I should have said was,
"Is the faith of a lttle child "saving faith?"

---
---Mark_V. on 6/14/12

Well according to Jesus, HE Said Unless you come to Him as a little child, YOU CANNOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

So, how many Kingdom of God's are there MarkV? One for those who don't have TRUE FAITH to enter? Or is salvation not the same as entering the Kingdom of God???

Suffer not the little children to COME TO ME! TO SUCH is the Kingdom of God.

Why argue with Jesus own words MarkV, and turn this into some INTELLECTUAL discussion as to what you want to say TRUE FAITH IS and isn't.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/12


Josef, great answer you gave again. Even though I did not explained it right when I said,

"Is the faith of a little child true faith?"
What I should have said was,
"Is the faith of a lttle child "saving faith?"

You went ahead and explained saving faith, which was great. And true faith a child has when he trusts in his parents. Thank you for your answer. Maybe someone else can give their understanding of the passages concerning childrens faith.
---Mark_V. on 6/14/12


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Hi, how cool, seeing a man fly with a rocket! :) God bless you :)
---Mary on 6/12/12


I like that story Mary.

Back in 1964/1965 New York World's Fair.
One of my younger brothers saw a man fly with the Bell Rocket Belt.
He told some friends about what he saw, they call him a liar.
He came home crying, told my older brother about what happen.

My older Brother!
Told him, did you see it?

God bless
---TheSeg on 6/12/12


Hi, I have no Scripture for this but just a childhood incident: I prayed quietly for snow and my mom said "Maybe God can't hear you" so I went to my room and opened the window and SCREAMED "God, please send snow" and was not surprised the next 2 nights to see several inches of snow. :) It was childlike faith.
---Mary on 6/12/12


The faith of a child is without reason or intellect.

True faith is not of our intellect or reason.

No one can reason or intellectually EXPLAIN HOW Moses parted the red sea. However many have tried.

We simply BELIEVE, because God said in His Word that He Did.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/12


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I as a little child had faith to believe an obese man rode a sled through the air to deliver Christmas presents everywhere in the world. That faith was wrong. It looks like we humans can believe the first person who gets to us to tell us things. There are people whose parents have told them that a giant rock is the bone of a dead giant reptile, if I remember right. So, we can believe anything, I would say.

I'd say that being like a little child can mean being as a child with God, not with just anyone. "And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment." (Philippians 1:9) Only in God's love do we have His light to see right, in "faith working through love" (Galatians 5:6).
---willie_c: on 6/12/12


"Is the faith of a little child true faith?" Yes in the sense that a child is fully persuaded that what ever their parents promise, they will perform. And they will hold that persuasion until their parent proves them wrong.
"why are they so wrong?" Because their faith, as a small child, is in man, or something that a man has said."Did Jesus say, a child's faith is what we should have?" No. Jesus said to have "faith in God," (Mar 11:22) and a child's humility, (Mat 18:4) True faith is a the kind of faith that works though, and is expressed by love" in action. (Gal 5:6)
---Josef on 6/12/12


Yes, The best child like faith example is one from pastor of lifechurch. during the drought him and his son prayed for rain. the son pray seriously, consistantly, and expectantly. These are the characteristics of child-like faith. Biblical examples are Elijah, Shadrach and others before firey furnace, Virgin Mary, etc.
//Why are they wrong// (sometimes) because kids and adults are self centered 1st corth. 13 "I think like a child...put away childish things"
---Scott1 on 6/11/12


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