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Tree Of Good And Evil

Why did God put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Eden?

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No one could possibly know the answer to this question. The Bible does not address this. Anyone who claims to be able to answer this question is completely full of it.
---Jed on 7/10/12


MarkV: 'God could show us the when given a choice man will choose evil.'

That generally happens, yes. I wonder (fallen creature that I am) - was it necessary to allow all this destruction to show us that?

Just a question, and maybe a silly one!
---Peter on 7/10/12


Phil, I completely agree with your answers. francis gave you (Gen. 3:6) in order to argue that Eve new the tree was good to eat and to make her wise only because the serpent had just told her what the tree would do for her. She had just been deceived. Before that, she had no knowledge of the tree other then she was not suppose to not eat of it. It wasn't until temptation came to her that she saw the tree to be good to eat and make her wise knowing good and evil.
Today, we fail many times because we have a sinful nature. Eve did not have a sinful nature, but the sinful serpent deceived her.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/12


francis on 7/9/12
They had life by eating from the tree of life. They needed that to live. They were mortal, dust, living souls needing the earth's elements. The higher knowledge needed for conscience was not inherent. They knew neither harm nor ill. Being Adam's sons, our learning comes from contrast, as did his. There is no other way. A child will overindulge good candy without restrictions, unaware and uncaring of the potential harm. Fire will burn flesh, which is unkown to the infant, we protect. Just so our progentors. They knew not the value of good over evil, it was taken for granted. God planned otherwise for them putting in the middle of it all a tree to change that.
---Phil on 7/9/12


francis on 7/9/12
"I would say that this is so only because of our fallen human nature."

I would concur, if only the Bible spoke of such a thing. But the Scriptures say nothing of a "fallen human nature".

Perhaps you confuse the heart of man with his nature. Human nature is in alignment with God's natural laws and not in opposition to Him Ro 1:26 Ro 2:14 1C 11:14

It is the heart of man that is corrupt, not his so-called "fallen" nature. Mt 15:19 Ro 1:21 Hb 4:12

This present human nature, though aligned with God's natural laws, will not suffice. The new creation, in His image, will be supplanting it. 2C 5:17
---Phil on 7/9/12




---Phil_Nickel on 7/7/12
I would say that this is so only because of our fallen human nature.

I would hesitate to think that evil must be present for one to experience the goodness of God

Take Adam and Eve for example: the garden of Eden was to them the good ness of God, they needed not sin to experience it. Good was their experience as long as they lived and never did they long or eveil.

Infact the text suggested that they longed for more fo what was good?

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] GOOD FOR FOOD, and that it was PLEASANT TO THE EYES, and a tree to be desired to MAKE ONE WISE, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat
---francis on 7/9/12


Id like to correct an earlier post.
Since "God said, I give you EVERY seed-bearing plant and EVERY TREE THAT HAS FRUIT WITH SEED IN IT FOR FOOD." And
"the Lord God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden, BUT YOU MUST NOT EAT FROM THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, for WHEN YOU EAT FROM IT YOU WILL CERTAINLY DIE" We know God does not contradict Himself. So is it implied that the tree of knowledge of good and evil is NOT a tree with fruit WITH SEED IN IT? (I had earlier said fruit, leaving out the with seed, and we of course know this tree had fruit)
---Chria9396 on 7/9/12


francis, you are correct in saying they knew good, but there was no way to value such knowledge. They could not have an appreciation of it, prior to their singular act of disobedience. Absent the contrast of evil, a knowledge of good is is no more than data retention and assimilation. I would not know cold without the heat.
A small box is so only because I have seen a large one. Good needs evil to contrast its virtue, and should all the good in the world be present to me, it would mean nothing had I not known the existence of evil.
---Phil_Nickel on 7/7/12


The only thing that Adam and Eve knew was good. All that God had created was good.
Even the tree of knowledghe of good and even was good

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food,

There was nothing wrong with the tree and it's fruit. It was good, and the woman saw that is was good.
So they did know good.

what they did not experienced was evil, and more importanly once they experienced evil they did not know the power it would have over them, to cloud their judgment fo what was good and what was evil.




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---francis on 7/7/12


Adam and Eve possessed no knowledge of good. Neither good nor evil was entertained by them. They were not unlike children in innocence and understanding. Had God not supplied these imperfect beings the opportunity to acquire this knowledge, of good as well as evil, they would never have known the love of God, their creator. Everything was handed to them as long as they obeyed. But they could never experience gratitude or fealty without the knowledge of good as well as evil. God planted that tree there in the midst of Eden to start us upon the path of knowing Him as Father and God.
---Phil on 7/7/12




Jan, I have a different perspective then Leon. I believe the tree was put there so that God could show us the when given a choice man will choose evil.
When a blogger accuses other bloggers as Leon has, of mocking other believers, and does not include himself, that means to me that he proofed God right cooncerning the tree in that he had a choice too, and chose to mock others when he himself answers others by throwing demons at them instead of the written Truth in the Bible. They get frustrated that you do not agree with them. The tree served a good purpose.
---Mark_V. on 7/1/12


Jan: So much confusion here. Bloggers are mocking, scoffing at & ridiculing each other. So much unbridled evil...the rotten fruit hangs heavy & is full of poison (sinful pride). Why? Some bloggers "choose" not to listen to & really hear God's word (the Bible). Instead, self-deluded & self-righteous "know it alls" think they got it all figured out (have all the answers to everything for everyone). That's so sad!

God put the tree in the garden because, one, He wanted to! Secondly, it was a prop that set the stage for our human growth/development. School is in session y'all!

Bible objectives are geared toward the goal of our actively seeking an eternally fulfilling relationship with God.
---Leon on 6/30/12


Catholicus, I'm really here to answer questions concerning God. Every once in a while I answer personal questions like where someone lives or to pray for others.
I don't think I need biblical answers from someone who is not saved at all. Your answer that you are here to entertain yourself with us is enough for me to move to others who want to know about the Truth. If I wanted to talk to someone who is not saved I would answer Athiest, another blogger. I do leave you peace, and if you have a question for me, I will do my best to answer you.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/12


You got the idea!

(Some things you think are wrong may not match things I think are wrong.)
I didnt set any limits, but let's use your, you decide.


But this!
(But whatever you think, I am not accountable to you, and you are not accountable to me, for any actions.)
Really?

This week is the 4th of July, I, myself see this as a day to tell the world, some things.
Men have given their lives foe this Freedom!



Its easy to say I am not accountable,
Someone goes in your home, try to take whats yours.
There not accountable to you?
Ok!


But you said you are the one choosing!
So then you should be able to just do good.
Can you?
Y/N?
---TheSeg on 6/29/12


Mark V, no one here has offended me at all, and I very much enjoy my exchanges with you and others. They are interesting and stimulating. I will be happy to answer any questions. Sometimes I will need some clarification of what is asked, just as you do from time to time. Peace to you.
---Catholicus on 6/29/12


Catholicus, you believe we are not accountable to you but we are. We are commanded by God to bring the Truth to all people. Not to judge you, convince you, or stand before the Lord in your place, you are accountable for your own self. Yet, you are not accountable to us because you do not believe in the Lord.
You don't like to be asked questions but you just said you were here to be entertained. We are entertaining you by asking you questions and giving you the Truth as we know it. If you feel offended, you should not be here. We would not know you if you hadn't got on this site.
---Mark_V. on 6/29/12


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Seg, what do you mean when you ask me if I think I do wrong? Some things you think are wrong may not match things I think are wrong. But whatever you think, I am not accountable to you, and you are not accountable to me, for any actions.
---Catholicus on 6/28/12


Seg, I just read where Catholicus admits to not been a believer. He is an unbeliever. No faith that Jesus Christ is His Savior or that He died for his sins and has risen. He has faith alright, but not in Christ Jesus which is the faith that only believers have.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/12


You don't think I understand the way you think or that I don't see the very things you're seeing, right now?

Why am I so different then you?
We are exactly the same, if there a difference it's in the way we see the things we see.

You just finish saying "we do everything we do by choice" and I know you believe this!

Catholicus, do you believe you sin? Ok, sin sounds like God.
So let say do you feel like you do wrong? (Be truthful, because if you say no. we're done)

Now if as you say, you have control over everything you do.
Then stop doing wrong for just one day.
Try it and tell me what you found?
God bless you
---TheSeg on 6/28/12


Seg. we do everything we do by choice, but our choices are caused by internal or external impulses. There is no way to demonstrate that anyone could have made a different choice at the time he made it. Belief in God is one of those impulses. But God himself isn't.
---Catholicus on 6/28/12


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I can understand now, how you can feel it's a personal choice.
I know, me just telling you, its not a personal choice.
You probably wont understand where I coming from.

But, faith is given to man by God. Its not something you find.
Nor can any man give you faith, it must come from God.
Now does this mean we have to ask for it? No!

It might also look like he gives it to some and not to other.
But, God says every man is given a measure of faith.
That mean even you have this measure of faith.
I want you to know faith itself is a seed.

I know you said I dont believe!
But, I also know you have faith.
---TheSeg on 6/28/12


Seg, very good answers. If there is one thing that is most important is knowing who God is. Many think they know because they are saved, but they don't take the time to know the God of Scripture. So they create a god they can understand better and fits their own theology. But if you try to correct them so they don't get more confused, they get angry or upset you even question them. How can they answer the passages in Scripture correctly if they have no clue who God really is? Everything they say goes against the nature, character and attributes of God and they just don't see that. Eloy, to make his statements compromise, he compromises the very deity of God by saying God stops knowing. He stops been God for the sake of sinners. Just nonsense.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/12


Seg, I don't believe but I don't mind if you do.
---Catholicus on 6/27/12


Catholicus

If someone believes God is a UFO or a cow or even an old boot.
(So maybe not to criticize others for the gods they have chosen. It's a personal choice for those that believe.)

1Co_1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1Co_1:12-13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

2Co_11:4, Gal_1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

See my point?
---TheSeg on 6/27/12


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Catholicus, Im sorry.
I keep going over everything, to try and understand what people are saying.
Maybe I misunderstood your wording.

Do you agree there is but one God for all?
If so, then you must agree we all must conform to the image put before us.
And not just say this is what I believe. Therefore it must be true.

When someone said Gods, it opens a door to the belief there is more than one.
Or even someone saying that God changes in some way.
These are things that cannot be.

Take are instants when someone says "my God"
I know right away this person does not understand God.

Now is it my job to fix this or just tell them?
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/27/12


Every concept one embraces is filtered through his own experience and becomes unique to him. Thus, gods, not God.
---Catholicus on 6/27/12


The Seg, sometimes I wonder where Eloy comes out with those answers. Like God deciding to stop been God, so that He doesn't know what man is going to do. Now that takes the cake. How can he even suggest such terrible stuff I really don't know. I suppose it is because if He doesn't do that, his theology on many things do not make any sense.
---Mark_V. on 6/27/12


Why did God put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Eden?

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Genesis 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

God is eternal and even before man was, He knew "good and evil", (Gen. 3:22).

God put his knowledge and his eternal quality in his garden. Why trees?
---Nana on 6/26/12


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Catholicus
There are things about God you should be sure of, unchanging!
Like, one God

(All believers ultimately create for themselves the gods they want to believe in, the gods that they are comfortable with.)
This cannot be. One God!

When Eloy said
(Because God has the capacity to know-all does not mean that he chooses to know-all,)
No offence Eloy, but what?

Is there something God does not know?
I know you tried to fix it with:
(he purposely chooses not to acknowledge.)
Is there something God hasn't acknowledged?

Luk_8:17!
Luk_8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear:
You see right?

Mark_V. when you said
(the God of Scripture) I laughed!
Very clear!

Peace all
---TheSeg on 6/26/12


All believers ultimately create for themselves the gods they want to believe in, the gods that they are comfortable with. So maybe not to criticize others for the gods they have chosen. It's a personal choice for those that believe.
---Catholicus on 6/26/12


Eloy, I have eyes so clear I can read your false teaching concerning the nature of God. You created a god who can stop being God. Then be God again, just to permit man to choose so that He doesn't find out. Your god is not made of wood or clay, it is a figment of your own imagination.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/12


markv, you have eyes, but do not see: and ears you have, but do not hear: you have a heart and mind, but no understanding, and a tongue you have, but not producing godly fruit. Repent and accept my Lord Jesus into your heart and life, and become new.
---Eloy on 6/25/12


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Eloy, present the truth and I will believe what you say. But you want to tell others that somehow because you say so, that God suddenly stops been Omniscient. Changes His nature to please man and give him permission to choose without Him knowing what they are going to do. Now that is rediculous, and has no Truth. God never changes His nature, character or His Attributes. Speak the Truth and I will surely support your view.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/12


markv, until you get saved you will continue to post falsehood and blaspheme. But whenever you are ready to receive the truth I post, then address me.
---Eloy on 6/23/12


Eloy, you my friend are in big error. God never chooses to not know, His nature never changes. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. So please, you can do better than that. He knows all things, never gains knowledge, He is all knowing always. Learn who the God of Scripture is.
---Mark_V. on 6/23/12


markv, Again, you err. Because God has the capacity to know-all does not mean that he chooses to know-all, for it is written and proven that some things he purposely chooses not to acknowledge.
---Eloy on 6/23/12


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Eloy, you are correct that God never tempts anybody. What He did was put the tree in the garden knowing full well they would eat of it. For God never gains knowledge, He knows all things. He also put dreams in people minds so that Israel could be saved. He and He along is Sovereign. And can do what He pleases with His creation. Yet everything He does is just and holy, and all has a purpose.
---Mark_V. on 6/23/12


kathr4453, A-men. Man choosing to abuse their freewill and disobey God is their own doing and zero of God's doing. When God says, Do not eat from the tree, but woman and man disobeys and eats therefrom, then that is all on the disobeyer and the consequences for their disobedience is also all from the disobeyer and zero from God. God did not put the tree in the middle of the garden to tempt anybody, just as a Parent does not park their automobile at their place in order to tempt their minor child to wrongly take it and drive it.
---Eloy on 6/22/12


Eloy, you are starting to get it. You said:

"markv, most evil-doers do not seek permission before they freely choose to do their evil."

You are correct there. God never gives man a free choice, if He did He would have no right to punish you. You believe if He doesn't give us a free will, we would be like robots, you have said this a million times. But He commands us to trust in Him, He doesn't give us a choice. We choose to disobey not by permission, that's why we are found guilty.

Kathr is right, God never put doubt in Eve's mind, He didn't have to, He knew already what she would do, for He is Omniscient, knowing all.
---Mark_V. on 6/22/12


God put doubt into Eve's mind and so she took of the fruit and ate and that's when sin entered the world.

---anon on 6/22/12


Wrong:

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.


---kathr4453 on 6/22/12


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markv, most evil-doers do not seek permission before they freely choose to do their evil. I know of no sinner, let us say for example, a bank-robber: The bank robber does not ask Jesus in prayer, Lord Jesus, Do I have your permission to rob a bank? No, neither does the bank-robber go to the bank teller and ask, Do I have your permission to rob the bank? No, silly man, for the sinner already knows that they are committing evil without permission and that is why many of them do it under cover or in the dark because they know it is wrong and evil. The three that sinned in the garden, afterward they did not gladly flaunt their disobedience, No, they hid from the Lord because they knew the Almighty's judgment was coming to them.
---Eloy on 6/22/12


He put the tree there to test to see whether or not Adam and Eve were going to obey Him and not eat from that particular tree.

They disobeyed Him when Eve reasoned it out with the devil when he said, "Hath God really said you shall not eat?"

God put doubt into Eve's mind and so she took of the fruit and ate and that's when sin entered the world.

Eve's biggest mistake was when she talked back to the devil. She should have believed GOd and not conversed with satan about what God said....but she reasoned with satan and LOST.
---anon on 6/22/12


Eloy, when man make a choice to do wrong, it is not by permission of God. If He gave you a choice, you would be getting permission to choose. He does not give permission. He commands us to do good. If we disobey, He punishes us. Disobeying comes from our choice to choose to disobey not from God. He says, "choose Life" He doesn't say you have the right to choose what you want. You have no rights like that from God. God never gives anyone the right to choose sin. Never.
---Mark_V. on 6/22/12


markv, God said to the man, From every tree of garden, eating hereof eat, but from tree of knowing good and bad, not hereof eat from off of it: for in day eating you from off of it, dying hereof die. But markv says, God did not give mankind a choice. Whom is right? God whom gives man the choice to not eat or to eat, to do good or else to do evil? or markv whom says that man is not given any choice? I choose to believe the truth from God, mankind is given freedom of choice to either obey God and live, or else to disobey God and perish. And I equally also choose to condemn the lie that mankind is not given free will to do whatsoever mankind chooses to do.
---Eloy on 6/21/12


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Eloy, God did not give them a choice, He told them to choose what He said. He didn't say I'm giving you a choice, If He had given them a choice, then God could not punish them for picking wrong, since it would have been God who gave them the choice to do what they wanted. In our case we have no choice, God commands us to do as He ask, and we choose to disobey and that is why He finds fault in us.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/12


Francis, when you realize that nobody could have done other than what they did do, you will no longer have to be bothered with finding fault with anyone.
---Catholicus on 6/21/12


Dt.30:15,19: "See, I have set in front of you this day life and good, and death and evil. I call heaven and earth as witnesses this day against you, I have set in front of you life and death, blessing and cursing: THEREFORE CHOOSE LIFE, that both you and your children may live." Or do some of you people mistakenly think that God sinned by overriding his creations free will and forced the serpent to sin, and forced the woman and Adam to eat of the tree that he clearly instructed them not to eat of? Think, if God commands you to do righteousness and do good and be holy, then why would he then force a person to go against his own words? He would not, a parent does not tell their child Do good, and then force their child to Do bad.
---Eloy on 6/21/12


Making a choice does not imply one has free will.
---Catholicus on 6/20/12
Interesting

I want to hear more.
---francis on 6/21/12


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Ken rank, God never stated He was giving them a choice (Deut. 30:15)
"See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, in that I command you today to love the Lord your God" to walk in His ways, and keep His commandments. His statues, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess" then He says,

"But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them, I annouce to you today you shall surely perish, you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess" If they chose to disobey Him they would perish.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/12


francis, did God tell Adam to make a choice? Does God tells us today His giving us a choice? If He does, show passages.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting Life." (John 3:16). Only those who believe in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. He didn't say for people to make a choice.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God" (John 3:18).
His not telling people to make a choice, only saying those who believe already are not condemned and those that don't are condemned already.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/12


Francis and Mark

I think you need to define choice vs command.

to Mark a choice is an "either or". For example driving in a car you can take the interstate or backroads to the same destination. A command is there is only one way to the destination and that is perfection though not sinning.

to Francis a choice is the ability to choose good or bad. We (Humans) obviously choose sin (bad) over God (good).
Is this correct?
---Scott1 on 6/21/12


"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live." (Deut. 30:19) We clearly have a choice, God may ultimately know what that choice is, but we have a choice. Adam simply chose poorly and we have been paying for that in the form of death, disease, and decay ever since.
---Ken_Rank on 6/21/12


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Choices are caused by internal and external compulsions. Making a choice does not imply one has free will.
---Catholicus on 6/20/12


God did not give Adam a choice to make. He gave him a command.
---Mark_V. on 6/19/12

He commands us what to do. We choose to disobey. God didn't tell Adam he had a choice, He commanded Adam what to do. Adam chose to disobey.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/12

So how do we choose is we have NO choice?
how did Adam choose if Adam had No choice?

Adam, chose to disobey, because Adam was never forced to obey.

Either he had a choice or he was forced to sin, or forced to obey

he was not forced to do either. he choce to disobey
---francis on 6/20/12


francis, no matter the passages you are given from the Word of God, the result is the same, you reject the Truth. God commands us not to sin, He will never command us to sin a little. He is the highest standard of perfection. He doesn't tell us to make a choice, He commands us what to do. We choose to disobey. God didn't tell Adam he had a choice, He commanded Adam what to do. Adam chose to disobey. But no answer will suffice you.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/12


We have to look at this tree as symbolic in our lives for what causes degradation of spiritual, physical, and/or mental capacity that interferes with our proper worship of The Almighty God who gives us our breath.
Maybe some use a substance to gain 'knowledge', but do they become dependant on the substance and continue in ignorance for 20-30 years?
Do we fail to see the true blessings then?
Looking at the Bible as a whole is what is necessary. The promises, the redemption have to be sought out. These are revealed as we age.
Of course everyones path is different, so this is where Jesus is always drawing us back to Himself.
The reliance and understanding come through repentance. It's all so true.
---Jesudan on 6/19/12


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---Mark_V. on 6/19/12

So adam had no choice?
---francis on 6/19/12


francis, God did not give Adam a choice to make. He gave him a command. And told him what would happen if he disobeyed. He never said, ""Adam you have a choice," choose to obey Me or else" Now did God know he would disobey? Of course, for God knows all things before they come into your mind, He is Omniscience.
"For I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them" (Ezek. 11:5).
"Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising. Thou understandest my thoughts afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For their is not a word in my tongue but O Lord, Thou knowest it altogether" (Ps. 139:2-4).
---Mark_V. on 6/19/12


Does anyone here think this sounds like God said choose?
---The Seg.

God gave us a choice when he spoke to himself to create us. We had the image of God and the spirit of God in us. See Gen 1:24, He spoke to the land to create living creatures (land animals) to be form, sustained, returned to. God did the same with us v26 'Then God said, to us (himself) lets, make mankind in our image..." to be formed, sustained, and return to. However we choose to leave God's sustainence through sin thus the spirit of God in us died. This spirit has returned to us by the power of the Holy Spirit.
---Scott1 on 6/19/12


Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
---TheSeg on 6/18/12

Well, he had a choice, he could eat and die or not eat and live

Once he ate he had made his choice he could no longer chooce life:


Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
---francis on 6/18/12


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The tree was placed there to give man a choice.
francis

Where does it say that?
There was no choice given.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Does anyone here think this sounds like God said choose?
God said, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die!
And guess what happen.

God is not a dictator?
That's only because some of you think God is giving you a choice.
---TheSeg on 6/18/12


The tree was placed there to give man a choice.

God is not a dictator, he gives us a choice to choose him or walk away from Him.

Even when we choose to walk away God continues to seek us offering us his perfect righteousness that we mau excape the penalty of sin ( death)

Although Adam choose to die, God still offered him life
---francis on 6/18/12


\\your posts are biblically lacking in these basic things


---francis on 6/17/12\\

Your own words condemn you, francis, because YOU do the same things.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/12


The god of Genesis put the tree there as cruel joke. He implied that he wanted to keep Adam and Eve ignorant, but he really didn't.
---Catholicus on 6/17/12


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And Christ said to them:
Mat_15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
Mat_15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart, and they defile the man.

Gen_3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.
Gen_3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked?

In other words, I didn't!
And to this day many are walking round naked.
Aren't they?

Joh_3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Peace!
---TheSeg on 6/17/12


The tree of knowledge of good and evil is the law of righteousness (10C).
---Haz27 on 6/17/12

intelligence capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity, aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.

your posts are biblically lacking in these basic things


---francis on 6/17/12


The tree of knowledge of good and evil is the law of righteousness (10C).

The law is good, just and holy (Rom 7:12).

BUT, it's impossible for man to attain righteousness by the law. Hence God told Adam, "in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die" Gen 2:17.
We see this also Rom 7:10 "the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death."
Adam, in eating of the tree of knowledge of good & evil was seeking to establish his own righteousness through works of the law, resulting in death.

The only way to attain righteousness for man is to submit to God's righteousness, by FAITH (Rom 3:22, Phil 3:9).

Jesus is the tree of Life
---Haz27 on 6/17/12


lit.Hb:"And he commanded Yhwh God to the man, this saying, From every tree of garden, eating hereof eat, but from tree of knowing good and bad, not hereof eat from off of it: for in day eating you from off of it, dying hereof die." Gn.2:16,17. This shows God's gift to man, of freedom of will or the freedom of choice, to either obey his Maker and continue to live, or else to freely disobey his Maker and die. This gift from God is detailed again in Dt.30:15,19+ Josh.24:15.
---Eloy on 6/17/12


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It was a test of obedience.

Adam and Eve failed.

Sin is the result, and has produced the miasma of society we see today.


---jerry6593 on 6/17/12


Jan, my answer is different. It is written that Christ was
"foreknown indeed as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world" (1 Peter 1:20). Paul speaks of "the eternal purpose" which was purposed in Jesus Christ our Lord" (Eph. 3:11) Adam was not created yet. How would man fall? By eating of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. Since Christ was foreknown to be the sacrifice for sin in eternity past, God knew if He put that tree in the garden and commanded Adam not to eat that he would eat and cause the fall of mankind. So the tree had it's purpose in the plan of God. If God did not want man to fall, Jesus Christ would never have been foreknown as a sacrifice for sin. But we know He was.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/12


Gen 1:29, Gen2.
God said, I give you EVERY seed-bearing plant and EVERY tree THAT HAS FRUIT WITH SEED IN IT for food. The LORD God made ALL KINDS OF TREES GROW OUT OF THE GROUND trees that were PLEASING TO THE EYE AND GOOD FOR FOOD. In the middle of the garden were the TREE OF LIFE AND THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. (does not specify all were fruit bearing) the LORD GOD COMMANDED THE MAN, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden, BUT YOU MUST NOT EAT FROM THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, for WHEN YOU EAT FROM IT YOU WILL CERTAINLY DIE. No distimction in vs 15-17 concerning fruit bearing/non fruit bearing...is it implied that tree of knowledge, is non fruit bearing?
---Chria9396 on 6/16/12


TO show the man that he have the right to choose.
---erisan on 6/16/12


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What do we know?
The tree was very good (Gen 1:31).
That only man was not to eat, animals could eat of any plant(Gen 1:30,2:17).
You think maybe one item on the menu was meant just for animals and not for man?
We know it was not there as a temptation(Jam 1:13).
So, it could also have been there to prove to man how easy it is to disregard the Word of God for your own desires.(Gen 3:6)
It will be interesting to read and contemplate on others' posts.
---micha9344 on 6/16/12


Hi, Jan (c: I'd say because the tree of knowledge of good and evil is a good tree. But just because something is good, this does not necessarily mean God wants you to have it > "be content with such things as you have," we have in Hebrews 13:5.

God is better. With Him we have so much more than only knowledge. "And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment." (Philippians 1:9) He let them know they did not need it . . . because they had Him so more and better.

Why become independent in only your own knowledge, when you can be sharing with God in His own love (1 Corinthians 6:17, Psalm 81:16, Matthew 11:28-30, Romans 5:5) > God bless you, too (c:
---willie_c: on 6/16/12


Have you tried asking Him, jan?

Eastern Christian writers point out some things:

Not all foods are good for young children, though those of mature years will find them nourishing.

Knowledge of good and evil is in itself a good thing. It's part of discernment to be able to tell the difference.

But children are not ready for all knowledge.

Therefore, it follows that the command to abstain from the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a temporary prohibition.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/16/12


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