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Is The King James Bible Holy

Why do some people hold the King James English Bible up (like a golden calf) as if the Elizabethian "language" is holy God?

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Shira is correct in bringing to your attention the New KJV is not the King James version at all, having left out many inportant words giving a different meaning altogether.
So before throwing mud here, check it out for yourself, as I just did, and compare scripture to scripture.
---kathr4453 on 6/20/12
kathr, would you like to go head to toe with me on the left out words in perversion version. everytime I read a blog from you, you seem to be so self righteous and arrogant. will tell you something else...if anyone comes in my house and lays anything on my bible, I get up and remove. God's Word is Holy.
---shira4368 on 6/21/12


And what I really SEE here is Shira has been trying to pick a fight with me for no reason.
---kathr4453 on 6/23/12


And finally what I see is Shira makes horribly rude comments to others and innuendos that anyone who disagrees with MarkV is evil.

I actually believe it's much kinder to call someone stupid than evil.

So yes, Shira lied about me and accused me of teaching sinless perfection....where that statement all by itself was the most STUPID statement that has come out of her mouth.

Do I still think Shira is SWEET?..NO! Do I still enjoy her posts? NO!
---kathr4453 on 6/23/12


kathr4453, I'm glad you see the humor.
I have not read all of this blog and glad that I haven't.
Knowing Shirley personally I know she would not purposely tell a lie or lie on anyone. She may have made a mistatement but that doesn't mean a lie.
What ever is going on won't matter a hundred years from now. Only our stand in and for Christ will matter.
Those who understand the KJV love it those who don't, don't.
It is by far the best translation out there for the english speaking people.
Why don't we all just fight for the cause of Christ and leave all the small things behing?
---Elder on 6/23/12


ok kathr, when did I lie? I don't have issues with anything concerning you or my faith. My mom and dad prayed for me growing up and I was glorious saved. I am seasoned by the Holy Spirit and really have no need to comprise my beliefs. when did I ever throw you under the bus...If anything you are throwing yourself under the bus by your accusations.
---shira4368 on 6/23/12


Okay, it's apparent the lunatics have highjacked & are running wild on this blog. So, time to turn out the lights & let them do what they do best in their beloved darkness. Good knight King James. Good nite golden calf. Good nite Elizabeth. Good night John Boy. Good night Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are! :)
---Leon on 6/23/12




What I think Elder is not many here have a sense of humor.

And not only that, all have lost their sense of humor here looking for anything and everything to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

And another thing is I can't spell....but I try not to tweet and twitter my posts, that you have to sit and think, what on earth was that person saying, because this is not a tweet and twitter site.

Another thing I never said one bad thing about Shira's dad. Another thing is I said I always liked Shira and enjoyed her posts.

I just see Shira has issues that I believe have been influenced by another.

Shira never really apologized for lying so no real apology at all, yet I accepted it with GRACE.
---kathr4453 on 6/23/12


There is no reason to correct anothers grammer,question their education,look for a reason to play one-ups-man on them. We are all different and that is God's doing. We are wonderfully made warts,moles,blemishes,faults, and all in the image of God. It is God's place to lead us,teach us,correct us. It is our place to love God and mankind and to be kind to one another. We all have to battle the flesh and our impluses to react out of the flesh and not spirit. Shira is a sweet person I am glad to call friend,as well as Elder,MarkV,Trish,and many others on here. Every person on here has some positive attributes and we all have things we need to work on. We overcome by the power of God and His Word working in us. By living to God,dying to self.
---Darlene_1 on 6/23/12


kathr, when you post on christianet it becomes public and our business. I don't know what you are talking about concerning my father. I am seasoned in my faith and actually I dont need your advice. please look at the construction of your own sentences. The king james is still God's Word and it is sacred. so if you know what independent baptist believe, why do you question my dad? my dad was a born again believer and he knew the Word of God.
---shira_4368 on 6/23/12


kathr4453, Shira said, "I studied art in school so which grade school did you attend?"
You then told shira to learn to construct sentences with the following,
"Maybe you should have how to construct a sentence."
Are you trying to teach her something or just being funny?
There is no doubt in my mind that "Maybe you should have how to construct a sentence" is not a proper constructed sentence either. Whatta ya think english teacher, lol.
PS Does "spelililing" count?


---Elder on 6/23/12


MarkV: My disagreements with Jed were not instances where he caused me to sin. I sinned because I did not take care of myself spiritually, and allowed myself to become vulnerable. I would never blame Jed for my words.

I have been in therapy for a very long time, and have spent many years learning how to take personal responsibility for ALL of my behavior. It's not easy to learn, and it causes me to work very hard on staying close to the Lord. When I slack off in that area, I speak and do things that are sinful. I have nobody to blame but myself.

I once had a pastor who preached a very interesting sermon on sin. He said that we do not fall into sin, we jump into sin. We are not pushed.
---Trish on 6/23/12




Well praise God shira, that is always what I though you believed, and what a fundamental Baptist also believed.

That's why I couldn't understand how someone who believed as you could get drawn into false doctrine, and the total opposite of what you believe and still think you and MarkV believe the same thing. That is a strange one really.

Maybe your Dad can explain it to you if he's still around. If not, maybe some one else can you have a relationship with that you trust.

OK, so then you are going to stay out of my business correct?? and stop calling names when I continue to disagree with MarkV's doctrine of NO FREE WILL.

I appreciate that!
---kathr4453 on 6/23/12


Ok, back to the subject of the King James Version.

Who here has an issue with these verses using this version?

2 Timothy 3
King James Version This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good ---Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
---kathr4453 on 6/23/12


Trish, I'm sorry to have to disagree with you on your statment. Many people can cause you to sin when they attack your person and not your theology. In fact I have seen the troubles you have had when someone accuses you, and attacks your person instead of disagreeing with a topic in Scripture. Since you are a good sister you first try to explain and they don't listen and keep hammering you over and over, till you respond with words you should have never said. I read when you and Jed went at for a while. We are all still human in the flesh, and respond in the flesh instead of the Spirit many times. Unless a person walks in the Spirit every second of his/hers life things like this will happen.
---Mark_V. on 6/23/12


kathr, you won't find anything on the web about my church. we are getting a web page and when its finished I will put it christianet for everyone to view. my church is Lakeland B.C. in Lakeland Georgia. We believe in salvation and not works. we believe in modesty. we are not into this new contemory church that gets people aroused into a frenzy. that really sounds like southern baptist. we don't have a program that states: prayer 11:10 amazing grace: 1120, pass the plate 11:30. The Holy Spirit dictates the way our service. I do understand our church is way outnumbered by big mega churches. some have their dance teams...when the Holy Spirit is moving it directs the direction we go.
---shira4368 on 6/23/12


markv, I have noticed how you handle things when someone on cn attics you. I've been attacked many times on here for my views. I do see where kathr attacks you constantly and you never back down. Praise God markv, we can know the wiles of the devil and I do see him on the blogs here. thanks for standing up to the wiles of the devil.
---shira4368 on 6/23/12


kathr, after this post, I won't respond anymore. My dad did preach free will. we are all free to make a choice. my dad was anointed by the Holy Ghost. I don't know what markv believes but I have seen some of his post and I agree with most of his beliefs. Ye must be born again....we are born of water and spirit. water is natural birth and by the Spirit of a Holy God, we are born again.
---shira4368 on 6/22/12


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Shira, that's great about your father. But, you are saying in your Baptist Churches you father did not preach who so ever will, AKA free will. So you dad never preached the Gospel in his church?

So you believe you were born again first before ever hearing the Gospel? and that Born Again here as MarkV's theology is that your man spirit that died when Adam sin was re-birthed. Now he's not talking about Born Again as in the Spirit of Christ in you...

I just want to make sure you really do know you agree with MarkV..which is perfectly ok with me. Just when I see your posts etc, I know you are not on the same page as I in that Jesus died for all men.

I'm going to look up your churches to see if they do/don't preach free will.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/12


kathr, I only apologized for the way I approached what you and others did say. I havent changed my views one bit. markv and me really do see eye to eye on most things. I was born and raised in atlanta in cabbage town. my sister lives in monroe ga. My dad pastored several churches in atlanta including copper street b.c. and friendship b.c. in cabbage town.
---shira4368 on 6/22/12


Final note Shira, Couldn't get in the last post...I see your sister Lives in GA and you come to GA to see her. I too live in GA..Atlanta.

Maybe sometime when you are in town, we can meet. I'd really like that!
---kathr4453 on 6/22/12


Thank you CraigA, you are correct. I see MarkV even though Shira has apologized, wants to keep the fires burning. Who is causing/continuing who to sin here? Utter blindness.

Silly woman that MarkV is who goes from house to house gossiping etc. Stirring up strife.

I hope and pray Shira can now see through it and tell MarkV to butt out of HER BUSINESS.


---kathr4453 on 6/22/12


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Shira, after I read your post, I really prayed about how to respond back to you. But when I see MarkV minding your business and continually trying to keep some wedge between any Love that could be formed, spending time sharing and really getting to know each other, without any interference, I was horribly disappointed. No, MarkV words here are not yours, and I do not hold his words against you.

I have nothing whatsoever against you. I really like you and have always enjoyed your posts.

When we write, as you well know yourself by your own words, we really don't know in what tone or attitude one is speaking.

ALL MY LOVE Shira, and I am sorry too for acting like a jerk.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/12


Shira, I am glad to see you apologize for your part in an ugly disagreement.

MarkV: Nobody makes anyone angry, and nobody causes anyone to sin. Anger is an emotion that can be kept in check. Sin is a choice people make. Denying personal responsibility is to deny the truth, and that is what the enemy wants us to do.

In the Garden, Eve blamed the Serpent, and when God confronted Adam and her, Adam blamed her for his choice to eat the fruit.

I spent many years blaming others for things I did. It was not until I lost my marriage that I took responsibility for the things I did. I always blamed others.
---Trish on 6/22/12


Shira, one of the main concerns I had for you disagreeing with Kathr was that she would cause you to sin, by making you angry, and cause you sin. That is always a concern when answering her more then anyone else.
I'm happy you realize what you did and how fast it can happen, believe me, I have a lot of experience already with her.
It is easy to get angry, but control anger is ok. When facing evil, we always need to be prepared. Another thing, there is others who don't like you already because you disagreed with them before, expect them to jump on you when you are attack by kathr. Sometimes it is Kathr using other names, and many times its others you have opposed on other issues. Many, not all, take things personal.
---Mark_V. on 6/22/12


Kathr, this type of stuff is exactly why I decided to let it go and let God handle the situation. It begins to eat at you because you want to spew the same lies and word twisting back at him and you cant do that and remain a good witness for Christ.

Please for your own sake, just pray and let the Lord handle it. You will not convince this man of anything if he has hardened his heart to the Spirit. It appears that is why he went astray.
---CraigA on 6/22/12


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I must ask forgiveness for the harsh words on this blog. I didn't conduct myself like a christian. my flesh did override my spirit. so kathr, cluny eloy I am sorry for the way I handled things that are dear to my heart. like you I was so full of myself.
---shira4368 on 6/22/12


King James Bible is the one I enjoy since its the one I grew up learning. I am not against other's but in some the new words do change the meaning of what's said. KJV Bible was translated by both scholars and clergy. They used and compared their work to all translations used in England. The William Tyndale translation of the new Testament was given close attention since he translated from the original documents. All sources I have seen say 80% to 90% of the language used in the KJV is from Tyndale's translation. The Bible is Holy says so right on front of the older ones,the Holy Bible,just kidding,its holy because the Word of God in it is holy,its as special as the tablets of the Ten Commandments,it's a supernatural gift from God.
---Darlene_1 on 6/22/12


Kathr, I warned Shira this would happen, that you would come out with guns blazing to attack her in any way you could if she said anything wrong about you, and you did not disappoint. Now, you call her a moron as you do me, that she cannot spell, cannot write as good as you. Then, because you try to deceive others by using many different names, want others to think I do what you do. So you do not surprise me.
I knew you would attack her that is why I warned her, because you did the same to Shawn M.T., Christan, and a few others. You continue to give evidence you are not saved and very mentally disturb and a very evil person.
---Mark_V. on 6/22/12


rod4him,I honestly don't care who believes what. And you are right I am baptist from head to toe and a fundamental at that.I studied art in school so which grade school did you attend?
---shira4368 on 6/22/12

Maybe you should have how to construct a sentence.

I studied art in school so which grade school did you attend?
---kathr4453 on 6/22/12


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Children, please play nice!!! :)

What I seek here is the possibility some bloggers may "know" God's word (the Bible) CAN NOT be altered. After all, the Holy inspired words of Almighty God are according to "His will & purposes" & God's will be done in all things! Right?!

Many give the devil & men credit for being able to do things they're incapable of doing. Man can't corrupt the Bible against God's will. Can anyone successfully stand against God? Absurd!!!

Language is a vehicle for CLEARLY & EFFECTIVELY imparting knowledge & establishing relationship.
Don't worship the creation (the Elizabethian language). Rather, WORSHIP GOD ONLY! He created language.
---Leon on 6/22/12


rod4him,I honestly don't care who believes what. And you are right I am baptist from head to toe and a fundamental at that.I studied art in school so which grade school did you attend?
---shira4368 on 6/22/12


//Shira wants us to believe she is a college graduate.//

I think I remember she/he (?) saying that she had poor eyesight, which may account for poor writing skills.

//Can anyone explain what this means.//

Perhaps her being a hard core baptist may explain some of the cloistered thinking.
---Rod4Him on 6/22/12


kathr, you have got to be eloys sister....both of you don't want to talk unless we agree with you,
---shira4368 on 6/21/12

Shira wants us to believe she is a college graduate. I half the time cannot understand a word she is saying....absolutely mindless nonsense.

Can anyone explain what this means...
"both of you don't want to talk unless we agree with you,"

Maybe she's not MarkV, but just as moronic as MarkV.

Childish ignorant remarks.

Or maybe MarkV has invented her just to be his side kick to cause trouble. Ingenous really, pretending they don't agree on minor issues.

---kathr4453 on 6/22/12


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The difference between Shira and me is, although I don't agree with everything Eloy says, and we've also had our moments, but when Eloy is correct, I will back him up. I don't play favorites.

I backed up Shira here and she spit in my face. She's just another trouble maker with a 4th grade mean girl attitude who has shown no true Christ like qualities what so ever.

She lies about people and has no conviction from the Holy Spirit just how wrong that is, because there is no apology or remorse.

Shira needs to repent and get saved.

Forrect Gump was a college graduate too, and although not a real person, just as Shira isn't either, had CHARACTOR and integrity.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/12


cluny, I think you have joined your two other siblings..kathr and eloy. at best you are very funny. I get a good laugh everytime I read any of the post from you three.
---shira4368 on 6/21/12


I dont think Shira is Mark. He has "corrected" her a time or two. Unless MarkV is a total crackpot and is talking to himself. Even if he were I dont think he would be condescending to himself.
---Blogger9680 on 6/21/12


kathr, you have got to be eloys sister....both of you don't want to talk unless we agree with you,
---shira4368 on 6/21/12


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Rod4him, interesting insight here, since I was agreeing with Shira and commended her post.

Man oh man what is up with these people.

Shira..AKA another MarkV please do not say another word to me in any way shape or form.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/12


//..you seem to be so self righteous and arrogant.//

Ouch...you seem to be projecting yourself again.

Psychological projection is the phenomenon whereby one projects one's own thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings, and so on onto someone else (usually another person.
---Rod4Him on 6/21/12


"The KJV wording makes those JW heretics think that Jesus was created." James_L

Where do you get this stuff? The KJV wording? Really?
---scott on 6/21/12


\\kathr, would you like to go head to toe with me on the left out words in perversion version. \\

Would you like to do the same thing with me about the KJV vs. NKJV?

I have asked you for specific examples, giving chapter and verse, and you have not done so, but merely falsely accused me of using the NIV (which I don't).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/21/12


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kathr, would you like to go head to toe with me on the left out words in perversion version. everytime I read a blog from you, you seem to be so self righteous and arrogant. will tell you something else...if anyone comes in my house and lays anything on my bible, I get up and remove. God's Word is Holy.
---shira4368 on 6/21/12


james l, you gave the very response that many give...however, I am right and you are wrong. maybe you should study yourself then you would know without anyone telling you.
---shira4368 on 6/20/12


--- The KJV wording makes those JW heretics think that Jesus was created

Before you accuse others of "leaving out" words, you ought to investigate a little futher
---James_L on 6/20/12

JamesL, what are you babelling about. Hebrews clearly states Jesus was not created or an angel.

Begotten and created are totally opposite. Adam was a son, but was created, the angels were also sons, but created. What makes Jesus GOD is that He was Begotten of the Father.

A VERY IMPORTANT WORD you fail to understand. The ORIGINAL Hebrew in the OT states BEGOTTEN...no such word was planted in to deceive anyone.

Unto us a Child is BORN,(begotten) unto Us a Child is Given, who is Almighty God...
---kathr4453 on 6/20/12


Strong's Number H3205 matches the Hebrew (yalad), which occurs 499 times in 403 verses in the Hebrew

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Repeated:

2.Acts 13:33
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again, as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.


Hebrews 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
---kathr4453 on 6/20/12


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\\cluny you are wrong. I had the changed words and looked everyone up. \\

Well, share some specific examples, shira.

\\You aren't as sharp as you think you are. oh by the way, I looked up all the changed words in your niv too
---shira4368 on 6/19/12\\

And you're not as sharp as YOU think YOU are, because I don't use the NIV, so there!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/20/12


JamesL Strongs 3439 Monogenes, ONLY BORN, sole/single..

1080

This day have I begotten thee:
Procreate, beget, bear, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make spring, Kin, offspring...
---kathr4453 on 6/20/12


For what it is worth, my opinion is that King James VI, a secular ruler like Constantine mixing civil rule with religious rule, was more interested in himself than God, naming a Bible after himself and changing Jesus' brother's name Jacob to James to have a legacy.
---Rod4Him on 6/20/12


\\Some versions leave out only "BEGOTTEN SON" and just say only Son...making a difference.\\
---kathr4453 on 6/20/12

That's not at all accurate, Kathr.

In reality, the KJV changed that. The New Testament Greek word is "monogene"

mono - one, only
gene - type, kind, substance

There isn't anything about begotten. Literally it would say "Son of the same substance"

NOT begotten

So as it turns out, it was those wiley KJV translators who set out to deceive the church, right ??? The KJV wording makes those JW heretics think that Jesus was created

Before you accuse others of "leaving out" words, you ought to investigate a little futher
---James_L on 6/20/12


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I personally prefer the KJV because that is what I learned as a child and the verses I memorized are from the KJV. I like the Elizabethan language used in the KJV. But the translation is not, itself, inspired as not a single word of Elizabethan English was breathed by the Holy Spirit to the original writers. The KJV-only crowd is a cult, just like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses.
---Steve on 6/20/12


//-shira4368 on 6/19/12 I had the changed words and looked everyone up.//

Amen, it's easy, but if you notice most TRY to point out errors in the KJV. I wonder why, it's much easier to find errors in so called improved translations
---michael_e on 6/20/12


Leon, I don't believe people hold up the King James version because they think the Elizabethian "language" is holy God. I believe it is because it is a more accurate translation than the others.

Some versions leave out only "BEGOTTEN SON" and just say only Son...making a difference.

And yes Shira is correct in bringing to your attention the New KJV is not the King James version at all, having left out many inportant words giving a different meaning altogether.

So before throwing mud here, check it out for yourself, as I just did, and compare scripture to scripture.
---kathr4453 on 6/20/12


\\I had the changed words and looked everyone up...\\
---shira4368 on 6/19/12


What do you mean by "changed words" ???

Have you ever looked at John 11:33 in various translations to see how they translated Jesus' emotion?

KJV - "groaned" in the spirit
NASB - "deeply moved" in spirit
NRSV - "greatly disturbed" in spirit

The word in quotations is closer to "was indignant"

But LITERALLY ?? it means "snorted" , like a horse.

A literal translation would betray the context.

How dare you treat a delicate thing as biblical translation with such indignity as to accuse others' motives ??

You ought to be ashamed of yourself
---James_L on 6/20/12


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cluny you are wrong. I had the changed words and looked everyone up. You aren't as sharp as you think you are. oh by the way, I looked up all the changed words in your niv too
---shira4368 on 6/19/12


\\did you know the new king james bible has changed 2500 words and are to do with sin and hell plus leaves the deity of christ out.\\

Aside from the fact this is not so, what is your source for this information.

i know you didn't make a critical study of the NKJV for yourself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/19/12


did you know the new king james bible has changed 2500 words and are to do with sin and hell plus leaves the deity of christ out. eloy you are so wrong in your advice to anyone buying a bible. God will hold you accountable.
---shira4368 on 6/19/12


Leon, I suggest that a person wanting to get a Bible for themself to first check to see which one would be the best for them to obtain, for not all versions on the market today are reliable translations.
---Eloy on 6/18/12


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\\ I am translating the holy scriptures for the church, and I am using the Aleppo Codex for the old testament, and the Byzantium MSS for the New Testament.\\

And yourm translations will be JUST as corrupted as everything else youm have posted here.

Youm keep on saying that all versions of the Bible since 1611 are corrupted, yet youm don't seem to realize that youm fall under yourm own curse.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/18/12


//...and men can't see what is happening here.//

It appears that you are projecting your own blindness.

Several errors in the KJV have been pointed and still some people ignore reality. What do they do put blinders on? Many sincere people are sincerely wrong.

This doesn't mean that the KJV is evil by any means.
---Rod4Him on 6/18/12


Coptic- Marc

Highjacking yet another thread-


A lot can be said on this topic, but for you to continually highjack active, unrelated, threads is bad form.

Open another one or find an inactive one...I'll do the same.

One thing is clear regarding the use of the indefinite article in Coptic John 1:1c: It clearly rules out the definite rendering "The Word was God".

We can discuss whether "Noute" (God) is adjectival or qualitative, etc...

...but JWs have no problem with the "divine" rendering. They've never said that "a god" was the only correct rendering. They do know that, "The Word was God" does not reflect John's words in Coptic.
---scott on 6/18/12


\\Leon, Old English is a higher form of English.\\

The KJV is NOT in Old English (aka Anglo-Saxon), but an archaic form of MODERN English.

Nobody here without special education would be able to read Old English.

nu sculorn heiriegan hefonrices weard
meatodes meachte and his modgethonc.

Those two lines are Old English. I doubt that many of the readers could decipher it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/18/12


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Gordon, are you kidding?
---Jed on 6/18/12


Leon, Old English is a higher form of English. Linguistically it shows a bit more respect to GOD and HIS Word. That's not necessary, but, it's a fact. And, it's def alot more accurate. The "thees" and "thous" and "ye" and "you" especially is more descriptive and illustrative as personal pronouns (opposed to the modern, generic and all-inclusive "you" and "your"). And KJV is also more accurate in that it calls Hell "Hell". That's what it IS. "Hades" means zilch to many people. "Gehenna" means zero to most. "Hell" and the "Lake of Fire" hits the meaning home! KJV is def not perfect, but, it is ONE of the better Translations for today!
---Gordon on 6/18/12


KJV did not use the latin. In 1604 English bishops and Puritan leaders met with King James I in the Hampton Court Conference, and there King James set 54 scholars for the revision of the Bishop's Bible. The scholars relied heavily upon the Geneva Bible of 1560 A.D. And for the old testament they used Daniel Bomberg's Second Great Rabbinic Bible edited by Jacob ben Chayyim 1524-1525 A.D., called the Ben Chayyim Massoretic text. And for the New Testament they used Robert Stephanus (Estienne) fourth edition 1551 A.D. of the Textus Receptus and Theodore de Beza editions of the Textus Receptus 1565-1611 A.D. The committee of churchmen led by theologian Lancelot Andrewes, and the finest scholars in England, produced the King James Bible in 1611 A.D.
---Eloy on 6/17/12


Leon, I think people just want to basically remain faithful to God's word. And it is known that the newer versions have taken extravagant liberties in deviating greatly from the original words scripted, and this is one reason why people favor the KJV over the newer versions. I am translating the holy scriptures for the church, and I am using the Aleppo Codex for the old testament, and the Byzantium MSS for the New Testament. I am also going to compare the Aramaic Khaburis Codex with the Greek Byzantium manuscripts for the New Testament translation, so my source for translation will only be from the Hebrew O.T. along with a few Aramaic chapters of Ezra and Daniel, and the Greek N.T., and also comparing the Greek N.T. with the Aramaic.
---Eloy on 6/18/12


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\\that is more accurate than the Latin Vulgate from which most modern translations are derived. \\

I realize that you are an SDA, jerry, and hence have no idea of history, but have you no scruples about saying things that have no basis in reality, such as this?

\\This text was corrupted by pagan influences early on.\\

Now, tell us what pagan influences are in the Vulgate. Can you be specific, jerry?

Or are you just letting your fingers do the talking, as your beloved EGW channelled demons?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/12


Scott,

There are several reasons for the use of an indefinite article in Coptic:

1. For narrative reasons i.e. from an unknown to a known entity e.g. Luke 9:34-5, "a cloud" to "the cloud"
2. To identify the subject and predicate in nominal sentences
3. It functions numerically i.e. for 'one'
4. With respect to God, refers to 'the God of the Bible' or another god.
5. Refers to the qualities of whatever God or god the speaker/author had in mind.

You haven't yet proved your case with Horner. Do you want to ask your Watchtower overseer what you should say?
---Marc on 6/17/12


\\It is not the translation of the KJV that is superior, nor is it the language that is holy. It is the source text - the Textus Receptus - that is more accurate than the Latin Vulgate from which most modern translations are derived. This text was corrupted by pagan influences early on.\\
---jerry6593 on 6/17/12

I think you need to do a little research before spouting off nonsense like that.

Most modern translations are not derived from the Vulgate, but instead use the "earliest majority" manuscripts.

That means earliest, so long as earliest has the most support.

The KJV, by the way, relied upon the Vulgate instead of Greek for several dozen passages in the NT
---James_L on 6/17/12


//Men have tried to corrupt Gods word and men can't see what is happening here.//

You are right Shira, God said He would preserve His Word, I believe He has
---michael_e on 6/17/12


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It isn't.however some have their reasons. None of the translations should be worshipped, it is a collection of books reguarding Gods word, but not perfect since it was translated by man. The kjv in the NT has many spuriuos errors. do a google on it & see what they added.
---womandisciple on 6/17/12


\\Men have tried to corrupt Gods word and men can't see what is happening here.
---Shira4368 on 6/17/12
\\

You don't actually think that the KJV is more God's word than any other translation, do you, shira?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/12


It isn't that the bible as a book is sacred but the Words of God are very sacred. I know how the king James bible come into existence. Men have tried to corrupt Gods word and men can't see what is happening here.
---Shira4368 on 6/17/12


It is natural for an English person to hold up the English Bible in honor, just as it is a natural thing for the Jews to hold up the Hebrew language of the Scriptures, and the Syrians and Palestinians to hold up the Aramaic language of the Holy Scriptures, and the Greeks the Greek language of the Bible.
---Eloy on 6/17/12


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PART 2 Coptic

"This solution takes into account the Copts' apparent confidence the indefinite article would be understood properly without any further clarification. The other NT references do not support the concept of some in-between 'sort of god' or a 'lesser divine god'. To place John 1:1c in this category would require substantial arguments that have gone undetected in this work. The argument(s) would have to add enough plausibility that the Copts understood John to open his Gospel with an interpretation that appears different from anything attested elsewhere." ("FROM 'GOD' (YEOS) TO 'GOD'", BRIAN J. WRIGHT and TIM RICCHUITI, The Journal of Theological Studies, Vol. 62, October 2011)
---Marc on 6/17/12


It is not the translation of the KJV that is superior, nor is it the language that is holy. It is the source text - the Textus Receptus - that is more accurate than the Latin Vulgate from which most modern translations are derived. This text was corrupted by pagan influences early on.


---jerry6593 on 6/17/12


Coptic part 1

"The best way to take John 1:1c's indefinite article is a Coptic attempt to interpret anarthrous "qe0" descriptively/qualitatively. They interpreted/translated John 1.1c to mean 'the Word' possesses same qualities as 'the God of the Bible'. This interpretation best explains the other passages in the Coptic text which explicitly call Jesus "qe0", the other Coptic words available to denote something different, the specific and broader context within New Testament, the other indefinite common nouns, and the transmission's history regarding this title being ascribed to Jesus." ("FROM 'GOD' (YEOS) TO 'GOD'", BRIAN WRIGHT and TIM RICCHUITI, The Journal of Theological Studies, October 2011)
---Marc on 6/17/12


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