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NurseRobert, many years ago BiblioSceptics claimed there were numerous errors in the Bible. Over time and with new knowledge from such as archaeology most of these 'error' were explained. There are a few things left, however I know of nothing which contradicts doctrine. They are minor points. And it all depends upon how 'error' is defined.

Nonetheless Christians have a record of the past which claims to be the word of He who was there at the beginning. Therein we have a record which can be authenticated by comparing it to the world around us as Romans 1:20 says. The evolutionist has no such record. They have evidence,however it is the same evidence for all! And remember all evidence is interpreted via the world-view of the individual.
---Warwick on 7/7/12


NurseRobert Scripture says the earth is a globe (Isaiah 40:22) hanging upon nothing (Job 26:7)-written before man independently knew such things!

Evolutionists believe microbe-to-man evolution proceeds via mutations acting upon natural selection, mutations being retained if they confer survival value. The human genome contains c3,600 mutational changes which lead to diseases e.g. cancer, sickle cell anaemia and autism. How do these diseases confer survival value?

Scripture says humanity is in a dreadful state, heading downwards because of sin and these c3,600 conditions are evidence. Jesus came to reverse the curse brought upon mankind by Adam's sin.

Evolution talks of upward development, do we see this?
---Warwick on 7/7/12


NurseRobert, maybe we should move to another blog or start one..We can gain common ground by defining "moral" and go from there.
---micha9344 on 7/7/12


Warwick.. The Bible says all scripture is inspired by God (some say God-breathed), but it was written by man. Some believe the Bible is totally infallible, without error, but others (such as the Mormons) say only as its translated correctly. In fact, they claim the Book of Mormon is also inspired by God. While I believe God does not lie, I do believe man makes errors.

Micha.. No, only the Christian sense of right and wrong come from God. What about the Hindu belief of Dharma, or the Buddist belief of Pancha Shila, or even Utilitarianism and Deontology. Are you saying that these people are not moral?
---NurseRobert on 7/7/12


Scott1: "I have already given it"

As I posted previously, none of your "science" examples addressed the age of the earth, but rather serve to prove the biblical flood account. As for your assertion that the "chemical composition of the moon and the earth are similiar therefore suggestings a similiar lineage." ...

From Wikipedia:

"In contrast to the Earth, large portions of the lunar crust appear to be composed of rocks with high concentrations of the mineral anorthite. The mare basalts have relatively high iron values. Furthermore, some of the mare basalts have very high levels of titanium (in the form of ilmenite)."

---jerry6593 on 7/4/12




Yes, NurseRobert, all sense of right and wrong, good and evil must come from the God of Light(Jam 1:17)-discernment.
Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good, and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
3Jo 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.
But, without Christ...John 15:5
---micha9344 on 7/3/12


NurseRobert, I appreciate your honesty, not one human, scientist or otherwise, was there.

But Christians have the perfect eye-witness, the Creator who does not lie.

Therefore, in human terms, there is no proof for either supernatural creation or naturalistic evolution. However Romans 1:20 says "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."

Many people atheist and otherwise have considered this verse, investigated it and are now in The Kingdom.
---Warwick on 7/3/12


NurseRobert, Professor of Biological Sciences Walter Provine wrote "Let me sumarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear... There are no gods, no purposes, no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That's the end for me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning to life, and no free will for humans either." I do not quote Provine as an appeal to authority but as to the honest revelation of a man in the evolutionary system who knows what the modern evolutionary belief means for mankind.

Is it any wonder why people are depressed? As someone said "life's a b***h then you die!
---Warwick on 7/3/12


Steven, for the first time I agree with you, with the exception on the exact hours of the day. But when God created Adam, he was not created a baby, and when the stars were created, they were created as stars, the moon as the moon, He spoke and it was done complete. It did not take millions of years for those stars to be born and then grow to be stars, it was spoken and they came to be, and they shine to us from the moment they were created, the light of the stars did not have to travel millions of years before it reached us. Second, before the flood, the decay of things and people was different. People lasted many years before they died. After the flood it all changed. Is this important to know? Only if you want to know the awesomeness of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/3/12


Warwick -- This is a difficult question, one that neither of us can answer, since we werent there. When God said let there be light did we have the big bang? God made man from the dust, but where did the dust come from? Was there a world-wide flood what proof? Fossils on the mountain tops think plate tectonics. You and I were not there so how do we prove it?

Micha.. Are you saying that morality only comes from God?
---NurseRobert on 7/3/12




Scott1: Are you asleep? I'm still waiting for your "scientific evidence" of an old earth.

---jerry6593 on 7/1/12

I have already given it with fossils, meterorites, and mountains or do you not consider scientific evidence accurate.
---Scott1 on 7/3/12


NurseRobert, what would you accept as nonBiblical proof of creation?

While you are at it what would you offer as proof of microbe to man evolution?
---Warwick on 7/2/12


Yea, Jerry,
NurseRobert might look more like the "missing link" than the "image of God."
Hard to prove that way.
Yet, He does strive to be eternal, uses logic and reason, and has some sense of morality that can only be explained by a logical and intelligent Creator.
This is still only evidnece of such since, in our fallen corrupt state, we can only see through a "mirror" dimly.
---micha9344 on 7/2/12


Jerry thats not proof. Please try again
---NurseRobert on 7/2/12


Aka, what you and I believe changes little, except for us personally. What matters is what God's word says and it does not allow for a billions of years old universe nor death before sin. I could not care less whether the earth is 6,000 or 7,000 years old. But I do care about any belief (including the billions of years belief) which undermines the reality of the gospel. I am convinced that God's word contains His Truth and it is not for the likes of us to tell Him what is true, or important therein. I feel you will agree.
---Warwick on 7/2/12


//Jerry, where is your non scriptural proof of creation?
---NurseRobert on 7/1/12 //

Just look in the mirror, Bobby.


---jerry6593 on 7/2/12


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I agree with Aka and Mary. And some others. This questions concerning the age of the earth, always lead to the Seventh Day Sabbath. It is not to learn about Scripture but to argue that God rested on the Seventh day and so we should worship God on Saturdays, because the SDA's believe in Saturday Sabbath. All this questions do is bring more division. Saturday Sabbath was never mentioned by God. Jerry has not found one passage where God said He rested on Saturday or that we should worship Him on Saturdays. Not one. If people agree with him on 24hr days, then he introduces the day to worship. Same old arguments, same SDA's teachings. Always speaking about the law, and never speaking about the Spirit of the Law.
---Mark_V. on 7/2/12


Well, Warwick. In my experience, people argue that if you don't believe this, you believe that. There is no listening and considering everything one has to say in totality. i believe the earth is much younger than it is older. it is easier for me than it is you. i just here what the experts in the majority say, and go the opposite way. btw, i believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but I do not beieve in the Judeo-Christian reconciliation of the "Trinity". but, nobody will listen to what i have to say, so why should i strive? I believe in the Elohim, the structure of one Godliness and not one "God". nevertheless, i have never in my experience in work in shelters, does the age of the earth matter to anyone there.
---aka on 7/1/12


It took six days to create the universe. God put everything - every atom and molecule - in its place. Even the light beams did God create that reached in all corners of the universe. Now scientists, thinking they know better than God, calculated the speed of light and how far a star is from the earth and then calculated how long it takes the light from that star to reach earth and then calculated that it was billions of years. It may indeed take light to travel from that particular star to reach earth, but God placed it there by just his word. The same for the age of the earth. The molecules in the rock may scientificallly age at a certain time, but God placed the rock here by just His word.
---Steveng on 7/1/12


Aka, from experience those who say the earth's age does not matter almost always believe the earth is billions of years old. They believe the fossil record is a time-line stretching billions of years. This record is a testimony of death, disease and struggle, and in the long-ages view existed before Adam. But the gospel is based upon a perfect world (Genesis 1:31) which was destroved by Adam's sin, which brought death, disease, and suffering into the world. The NT says Jesus came to die and rise again to destroy sin's hold upon the world. "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive" 1 Corinthians 15:22. See also Romans 5:12,14

Therefore this long-ages view destroys the foundation of the gospel.
---Warwick on 7/1/12


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Jerry, where is your non scriptural proof of creation?
---NurseRobert on 7/1/12


//The comments therein have nothing to do with the genealogies from Adam to Christ. Therefore they are irrelevant to this topic, do they? //

i didn't say they did, but silly questions and meaningless contentions such as this do apply. the story matters. the exact age? if i say 10,000 years, why not 6,000 years. if i say 6,000 years, why not 6543? if you say that the exact age matters, then be exact.

The fact is that you cannot. and, you will never admit it. 500 years can be significant just as 5,000,000 years under your logic.

you spend your time about a question that is as old as human existence and i will tend to those who are in need and ignored by people such as yourself "defending" the gospel.
---aka on 7/1/12


Aka, we were speaking of the age of the earth and I pointed out that God's word contains a detailed time line via His geneaolgies. You, not I, brought up Titus 3:9. The comments therein have nothing to do with the genealogies from Adam to Christ. Therefore they are irrelevant to this topic, do they?

It is not a pointless endeavour to contradict anything which ignores or contradicts what God's word says. He has given us a time-line so why not accept it?

A question for you: where do you place the fossil record? Before or after Adam's sin?
---Warwick on 7/1/12


Scott1: Are you asleep? I'm still waiting for your "scientific evidence" of an old earth.


---jerry6593 on 7/1/12


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Warwick, you focus on one word of a list.Tit 3:9 But avoid: 1. foolish questions, 2. genealogies,3. contentions, and 4. strivings about the law, for they are unprofitable and vain.

you focus on 2 miss 1 and turn it into three. Genealogies have to do with birthright, and some people claim great things because of their birth line. There was a lot of senseless arguments because of bloodlines and there still are.

Those who say the earth's actual age are not saying that God's record of life from the beginning with Adam through whom sin and its consequence death came into the world, to the coming of Christ, the antidote for sin and death does not matter.

Going round and round contending in foolish circles does not matter.
---aka on 6/30/12


Gen 5:3 Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat Seth:

when Seth was born Earth was 130 years old

Gen 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
when Enos was born Earth was 130 +105 years =235 years

And so on until we come to jacob and his family
435 years in Egypt, 40 years in the wilderness, X number of years in Canaan an with joshua, X number of Judges lasting total of Y number of years, x Number of Kings lasting total of Y number of years, 70 years in babylon,
400 years before John the baptist, 33 years of Jesus
Jesus being born inw hat would be 4 BC, all of those numbers plus +2008
would be a little over 9000 years
---francis on 6/30/12


Aka, the geneaolgies in Titus 3:9 have nothing to do with God's genealogies from Adam to Christ. Why would God provide such a detailed time-line then in His own revelation call it foolish, something to be avoided? The Titus genealogies (also 1 Timothy 1:4) are personal Hebrew tribal genealogies which after the resurrection of Christ are no longer necessary as tribal and national distinctions no longer exist as Colossians 3:11 says.

Those who say the age of the earth does not matter, are saying God's record of life from the beginning with Adam through whom sin and its consequence death came into the world, to the coming of Christ, the antidote for sin and death, does not matter.
---Warwick on 6/30/12


i agree with mary...

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law, for they are unprofitable and vain.
---aka on 6/30/12


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Mary: "Following the words of Christ"

Did you know that Christ wrote the following words with His own finger in stone?

Exo 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

He also followed them. Do YOU follow them?


---jerry6593 on 6/30/12


Mary no matter how sweet our words are, how kind our thoughts, how loving our actions, are we following our Lord Jesus Christ if we reject what He says, and fail to believe and defend His Truth?

We should always remember Scripture such as 2 Corinthians 10:4,5 "For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,"
---Warwick on 6/29/12


Shira, you miss the point. If the time-line does not matter why did God give such detail?

I see no reference in Scripture which supports your reason for the genealogies.

Remember the old-earth story is built upon the fossil record which shows death, disease and suffering existed for millions of years before Adam. However God's word tells us there were only ordinary days before Adam was made, that death came only after, and as the result, of His sin. If you believe death was in the world before Adam you have undermined the only basis for the only gospel. Think it through.

Jesus said (Matthew 19:4-6) that The foundation for marriage is explained in Genesis. He says man was made at the beginning. Do you agree with Him?
---Warwick on 6/29/12


This question reminds me of another one: How many angels fit on the head of a pin? To argue over the age of the earth wastes time, energy and purpose in living the life that Christ modeled and wanted for us. Following the words of Christ and doing His service seems more beneficial to all. Be kind in words, thoughts and actions. Let actions speak louder than words. What is the greatest commandment? To love God and the second is to love our neighbor as ourself. Seeing God in the least of those that are judged by the kings, pharisees, magistrates, authority figures and by our neighbors and our own prejudices is by far the most difficult.
---Mary on 6/29/12


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\\Further to this Jesus said man was made at the beginning of the creation, that creation in which we live.\\

But Genesis says that LIGHT was made at the beginning of creation.

Now what?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/29/12


warwick you are correct but it is so not important to know how old the earth is. God did inspire His Word with geneology just to show how satan tried to destroy God all the way thru the bible until jesus crucifiction.
---shira4368 on 6/29/12


Shira, God has put the age of the earth in Scripture. The Biblical genealogies give a time-line from Adam to Christ, and we know when He lived. I cannot imagine why God would provide time-line genealogies if He did not expect us to take them as a time-line.

The age of the earth has a direct effect upon the NT revelation of the gospel.

Further to this Jesus said man was made at the beginning of the creation, that creation in which we live. This means there was no significant time before Adam. If we say the time-line is not there or does not matter, we are saying we believe Scripture does not matter. Would you stand before Jesus and say-I don't believe what you have said?
---Warwick on 6/29/12


atheist, You silly one, it is not April.
---Eloy on 6/29/12


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Warwick, fair enough. Yes you did. Peace to you.
---Catholicus on 6/28/12


If God had wanted us to know little technical things like how old is the earth, He would have put it in the bible. It is senseless to harp on the small things. God just wants man to be saved and love one another.
---shira4368 on 6/28/12


\\NurseRoberts, 6 o'clock Mediterranean time\\

That means it was 6 AM on the other side of the globe.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/12


Jesus created the world on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C. The Holy Scriptures records this.
---Eloy on 6/26/12


April Fool's Day-----


I am starting to believe....
---atheist on 6/28/12


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Catholicus, I had no reason to believe you were Christian but appreciate your honesty.

Nonetheless you choose to be on a Christian site debating Biblical things with Christians. I took your question at face-value and answered it from a Biblical point of view.
---Warwick on 6/28/12


NurseRoberts, 6 o'clock Mediterranean time: "In beginning created he God...and darkness over deep...And here said God, Let be light: and was light. And called God the light Day, and the darkness called Night: and here was evening and here was morning day one. And here said God, Let be lights in expanse of heavens for the dividing between the day and between the night, and be that for signaling and for designating, and for days and years: and be that for lights in expanse of heavens by which light on the earth: and was so." Gn.1:1-3,5,14,15. Thus Genesis chapter one records the days starting from the evening.
---Eloy on 6/28/12


//but rather serve to prove the biblical flood account.//

So a global flood that lasted 150 days attracted 3 enormous meteorites from space (did the water attract the meteors), killed the dinosaures, fossilized billions of animals, created mountains (water tears down mountains by erosion). Not likely.
---Scott1 on 6/28/12


Mark V, I am learning a great deal, and being nicely entertained while I'm at it! :)
---Catholicus on 6/28/12


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Hi, Scott (c: You said, "Please show evidence that God changed the laws of physics without providing a benefit." > Romans 8:20 says, For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope," Our present physical laws are futility, compared to how things will be in the new heaven and the new earth which will be in "the glorious liberty of the children of God." (in Romans 8:21)

So, I consider the earth was new, not like it is now, but God brought it down to it present physical condition and laws, so Adam could relate with it "more" at his level. So, the change was to physical laws, with an inferior benefit.
---willie_c: on 6/28/12


Catholicist, you are one honest person, admitting you are not a believer. Glad you cleared that up. Thanks for telling us. I was not sure in my mind with your answers if you were or not. You also keep it simple. I hope you learn something here, peace.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/12


Jesus created the world on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C. The Holy Scriptures records this.
---Eloy on 6/27/12

Central standard time?

Im sorry, Eloy, I had to do that..
---NurseRobert on 6/27/12


how old is your neighbor? how long has he been divorced? how long has he been hurting? how old is the earth?

argue endlessly about the age of the earth. doesn't that matter more than love thy neighbor?
---aka on 6/27/12


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Warwick, I'm not a believer.
---Catholicus on 6/27/12


Scott1: None of your "science" examples addressed the age of the earth, but rather serve to prove the biblical flood account. As for your assertion that the "chemical composition of the moon and the earth are similiar therefore suggestings a similiar lineage." ...

From Wikipedia:

"In contrast to the Earth, large portions of the lunar crust appear to be composed of rocks with high concentrations of the mineral anorthite. The mare basalts have relatively high iron values. Furthermore, some of the mare basalts have very high levels of titanium (in the form of ilmenite)."


---jerry6593 on 6/28/12


Catholicus, if you understood the consequences the long-ages evolutionary story has for the one and only gospel, you would know why the age of the earth is vital. You should read Scripture more.

Question: when did Jesus say man was created?
---Warwick on 6/27/12


I still don't understand what difference it makes how old the earth is.
---Catholicus on 6/27/12


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And what science is that, Scott? Defend it if you can.

chemical composition of the moon and the earth are similiar therefore suggestings a similiar lineage. Fossile records shows sea creatures on top of mountains. Meteorite impacts in Germany, Virgina, Mexico. The Hawaiian islands are the largest mountains in the world built slowly by lava flow and earth tectonics. The sahara desert shows evidence of changing between a tropical paradise and a desert many times. The himalayas continuing to grow. Pangea still drifting apart making the Atlantic Ocean larger and the Pacfic Ocean smaller. Ice core samples show a complete snowball earth (super ice age) and show complete tropical climates at different times in history.
---Scott1 on 6/27/12


//People claiming science assume the earth always has been in the basic condition we see now . . . with physical principles applying to the nature of material as it is now.//

Please show evidence that God changed the laws of physics without providing a benefit. For example Joshua's sun stand still does not apply. I have shown you evidence of things changing at a normal rate which is what science does because it is what we can measure. Is science perfect no but it is better than pure speculation.
---Scott1 on 6/27/12


Jesus created the world on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C. The Holy Scriptures records this.
---Eloy on 6/27/12


\\People claiming science assume the earth always has been in the basic condition we see now . . .\\

Not quite true. While many scientists believed the "steady state" theory (also called "cosmological constant") for the universe, including Einstein, this has been rejected.

\\with physical principles applying to the nature of material as it is now.\\

I think I understand what you're trying to say: There was a major shift in the laws of physics, chemistry, and biology after this even called the Fall of Mankind.

Am I right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/12


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Cluny I believe Jerry's questions separate those Christians who accept all Scripture as a God breathed, accurate historical record, from those who reinterpret Scripture through the falible philosophies of man.

The age of the earth is in Scripture not in rocks.

Jesus believed man was made at the beginning of creation (Matthew 19:6) not millions or billions of years later. If He got this wrong why should we trust anything He says with our lives?
---Warwick on 6/27/12


People claiming science assume the earth always has been in the basic condition we see now . . . with physical principles applying to the nature of material as it is now.

But if the earth had a more spiritual and resurrectional quality before the fall of Adam and Eve, then "things" would have been different then.

A day then could have been "as a thousand years" (2 Peter 3:8), or as a split second as we now would experience a split second.

Our bodies will be resurrected "in the twinkling of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52). So, God could have done it faster than we can think about it!! (c:
---willie_c: on 6/27/12


jerry, why do you ask this same question over and over and over? Are you expecting to get a different answer one day?

Or do you just enjoy stirring up strife?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/12


Thanks, Jed, for the deli tip. You're a good and helpful guy! :)
---Catholicus on 6/27/12


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catholicus,

i get your point.
---aka on 6/27/12


//billions of years old. science.
---Scott1 on 6/26/12//

And what science is that, Scott? Defend it if you can.


---jerry6593 on 6/27/12


Adam to birth of Noah about 1000 years
---micha

Here is a question there is no right answer because it is not given. How long did Adam live on the earth before he sinned? Did Adam live with the dinosaures or with single celled animals in the garden. He was said to have named all the animals so he possibly saw all the animals from the beginning of the earth. Could it be that there was no existance of time before sin because Adam was an eternal being like God. Thus the 1000 years is the time between sin entering the world and Noah.
---Scott1 on 6/27/12


\\Jesus created the world on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C. The Holy Scriptures records this.
---Eloy on 6/26/12\\

Wrong in so many ways.

For one thing, the BC/AD chronology didn't exist until about 700 AD when first developed by a Romanian monk, Dionysius Exiguus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/12


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Catholicus, yes, they are the same thing. Bologna is the proper way to spell it. It is pronouced "baloney" but spelled "bologna". Why don't you "wiki" it? Or pay closer attention in the deli isle?
---Jed on 6/26/12


Jesus created the world on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C. The Holy Scriptures records this.
---Eloy on 6/26/12


how do you spell Brett Favre?

What is the number to 911?
---aka on 6/26/12


baloney is redneck for bologne
---shira4368 on 6/26/12


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Is bologna the same as baloney?
---Catholicus on 6/26/12


Its been here since last Thursday. I know it because other people say so and they believe what they say. It was created with us on it and fully conscious with memories of the past and all.

Uook, did you see that flying teapot.
---atheist on 6/26/12


Anyone who claims to know the answer to this question is full of balogna. No one, not scientists, evolutionists, or creationists, knows how old the earth is.
---Jed on 6/26/12


The Earth is about 6000 years old, but the earth is 2 days younger...
Adam to birth of Noah about 1000 years
Birth of Noah to birth of Abram about 1000 years
Birth of Abram to Reign of David about 1200 years
Reign of David to Christ about 1000 years
Christ to today about 2000 years.
Given a liberal factor of +/-3 for each addition, we get about 6200 +/- about 150.
Adam was 5 days younger than the Earth but only 3 days younger than the earth.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
---micha9344 on 6/26/12


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\\This does not mean, however, that recorded history is about 10,000 years old.
\\

I meant to say: This does not mean, however, that recorded history is NOT about 10,000 years old.

Good point, Catholicus. Whether these are the last days of Planet Earth, these are the Last Days for EVERY ONE OF US.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/12


billions of years old. science.
---Scott1 on 6/26/12


The Bible is NOT a scientific textbook. This does not mean, however, that recorded history is about 10,000 years old.

It doesn't really matter how old the earth is. The fact is it, as well as the rest of the created universe, will come to an end when Christ returns--and NOT out of the constellation Orion either, as some SDAs believe.

I heard this tidbit taught in the SDA Revelation seminars of 30 years ago.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/12


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