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Meaning Of Word World

Some seem to think that when the word "world" is use in Scripture it always means literaly every individual in the world. What you do you believe and why? Give Scripture support.

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"Its taken time to respond,my apologies." Chria no apologies necessary.Thanks for your response. Any additional insight or thoughts you may have concerning this would be, as always, appreciated. Be blessed
---Josef on 3/2/14


Josef 2/14/14
Its taken time to respond,my apologies.
Thank you for additional thoughts, here, elsewhere,a blessing.
I believe you are correct Josef
""Embracing true religion will be the call of the chosen."To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction", "refusing to let the world corrupt you." Shunning no one, rather letting the light of the true Christ within shine upon everyone, without dissimulation or discrimination.
hold fast the faith we have been given to exercise in Him, His Word, His principles for life, His love for us, and His mercy upon them that He has given to love Him, without wavering. For "when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?"
---chria9396 on 3/2/14


When the word world is use in the Bible by the writers it does not always mean every single person in the world= "There went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be enrolled.."
"and all went to enrolled themselves" Luke 2:1,3, yet we know that the writer had in mind only that comparatively small part of the world which was controlled by Rome.
When it was said that on the day of Pentecost "there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, 'from every nation under heaven' Acts 2:5, only those nations which were immediately known to the Jews were intended, for verses Acts 9-11, list those which were represented.
---Luke on 2/28/14


There is an old story about a man walking on a tight rope. Many saw him do it. He pushed a wheel barrow across the Tight rope. He then asked the crowd who believed he could put a person in the wheel barrow and push them across. They all said we believe.

Then he asked who would get in. His manager and friend climbed in everyone else refused.

When we Believe in JESUS as our Lord and Savior. We climb into his arms and trust and rest in him. We live to Him and not ourselves. We die to self to follow our Beloved Savior.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/27/14


"Please support your theory with a verse that say YOU know you have eternal life because you believe"eth"."-kathr4453 on 2/18/14
1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
It is "know" because you "believe." It isn't "believe" because you "know. That is why it is called "faith."
I do agree with kathr, however, "it's WHAT you believe." ,or, rather, "in Whom" do you believe.
---micha9344 on 2/21/14




Belief is an assurance that one has eternal life not a prerequisite to obtaining eternal life.
---trey on 2/18/14

Trey, I have been trying to find a verse that assures one of eternal life because they belief"eth".

Now with your definition, everyone has eternal life based solely on their believing something...anything. It's not THAT you believe, it's WHAT you believe. Even the demons believe"eth" so says James! proving nothing. They know they have eternal life. Have you ever met a dead demon?

The problem with your THEORY trey is no scripture supports your comment.

Please support your theory with a verse that say YOU know you have eternal life because you believe"eth".
---kathr4453 on 2/18/14


John 3:16 the word is believeth. The "eth"ending means is believing not will believe. In other words, those who believe have everlasting life. Belief is an assurance that one has eternal life not a prerequisite to obtaining eternal life.

If someone sleepeth they are asleep. We understand that they are sleeping not about to go to sleep.

I hope this is helpful.
---trey on 2/18/14


"I was looking at John 3:16 in the original language and the word "whoever" is not mentioned."
Bob_M

Couple of main issues here Bob Mark.
1. You do not have the "Original language." So don't say you do.

If you still want to claim that, where did it come from? You know that you would be the only one in the world with the "original language" don't you?

Next, you said, "I'm new here."
Didn't you mean you are just using a new name here?


---Elder on 2/18/14


Josef, peace and grace to you in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I believe it was not a good idea for me to have asked you about John chap. 3:16. My answers seem to offend others. Thank you for your kind answer. I will just keep reading the answers of others on all the topics of the Bible.
---Bob_M on 2/18/14


BobM , I would like to ask you if YOU personally have this copy of the Original or are you taking someone's word for it?

Now my understanding is John 3:15 was in question, not John 3:16. So is "whoever" also believed to be inserted in John 3:15 too, or John 3:16?
---kathr4453 on 2/17/14




BobM, One word you claim was omitted does NOT change the context of the Gospel. Your Calvinist theory doesn't wash.

John 3:14-17And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up, That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world "through him ""might be saved"".

The Giving was Christ on THE CROSS, and THROUGH HIM is Our identification with Christ Crucified THROUGH THE CROSS.
---kathr4453 on 2/17/14


"whoever believe"-and it is not, it is a noun, "Pas ho pisteuon."
Bob, and "Pas ho pisteuon." means what exactly? Thanks
---Josef on 2/17/14


Josef, that is exactly what I was saying. The word "whoever" or "whosoever" is not in the passage of John 3:16 in the original Koine Greek. That was the language used in the New Testament. Do a study on the passage and it will give you the reason why the word was inserted into the passage not easy to explain here.
If the present tense were the verb in the original Greek text of John 3:16,
"whoever believe"-and it is not, it is a noun, "Pas ho pisteuon."
Hope I answered correctly.
---Bob_M on 2/17/14


Worth repeating. "The work is in the world, not in any holy-roller convention.
---Nana on 2/15/14"
:o) Amen.
---Josef on 2/16/14


Mat 12:36
But I say unto you, That every, all, whosoever= G3956 ((( here is the same strongs definition for John 3:16, G3956, meaning every, all etc)))) idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Scripture teaches scripture. So use the tools using every verse with G3956, comparing all those verses, as in the one I just posted that ALL mean all, everyone. This verse would seem rather odd using a twist of saying not all at some time or another speak idle words.

It may be possible Bob_M's words here may I fact be found IDLE WORDS in the judgement of God if perhaps BobM can prove such creatures exist who have NEVER spoken an idle word in their entire life, excluding a mute.
---kathr4453 on 2/15/14


No BobM, I have not studied that. All I have as study tools are the originally copy written KJV and Stongs concordance.
Are you saying the greek word "pas" translated "Whosoever" is not found in that verse?
Is there a way to look this up on line?
"1. All who do A. (believe in Him)
2. Will not B. (perish)
3. But will have C. (everlasting life)"

Bob sound to me, like "all who do" says the same thing as "who so ever". How exactly do you perceive it to be different? I look forward to you reply. Thanks.
---Josef on 2/15/14


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John 8:12 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."
His disciples were in the world and when he left he said, "I am no more in the world, but these are in the world."
John 17:15_18 "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world."

The work is in the world, not in any holy-roller convention.
---Nana on 2/15/14


Josef, I was looking at John 3:16 in the original language and the word "whoever" is not mentioned. The original language is Koine Greek. The text literally means "in order that every the one believing in Him, not to perish, but have everlasting life" I just wanted to mention that and did now know if you had studied that, let me know what you think. I'm new here and was just trying to mingle in .
Here is what John 3:16 teaches using the Koine Greek.
1. All who do A. (believe in Him)
2. Will not B. (perish)
3. But will have C. (everlasting life)
Thank you
---Bob_M on 2/15/14


"For God so loved the 'world' (the inhabitants of this planet), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Jhn 3:16
---Josef on 7/3/12

John 17:18 "As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world."
John 17:20_21 "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word,
That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."

The 'world' (the inhabitants of this planet). I like that.
---Nana on 2/14/14


"Concerning those who are still under false teachers, family or friends, how does 'coming out from' impact those relationships, which are quite varied?" It should not impact them at all Chria, at least not in a negative way. "Come out from among them" is not in reference to people in general, but rather the advocates of the system of denominational religion, divided against itself, thus dividing the children of God. Embracing true religion will be the call of the chosen. "To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction", "refusing to let the world corrupt you." Shunning no one, rather letting the light of the true Christ within shine upon everyone, without dissimulation or discrimination.
---Josef on 2/14/14


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"Concerning those who are still under false teachers, family or friends, how does 'coming out from' impact those relationships, which are quite varied? As in all things, must trust to God.
---chria9396 on 7/20/12"
Yes Amen and Amen.
If I may add to this, we must also hold fast the faith we have been given to exercise in Him, His Word, His principles for life, His love for us, and His mercy upon them that He has given to love Him, without wavering. For "when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth? Luk 18:8 NKJV
---Josef on 2/14/14


You are always welcome Char. No apology necessary:o) Thanks for the blessing, same to you.
---Josef on 8/5/12


Thanks,Josef, sorry for delay (watching Olympics)
Mercy/Grace
Thinking we agree,
His elect (set aside ones) are not in the dark. Not all believers are elect/chosen
Elect: Taken up before the spurious messiah, so the [Holy Spirit can speak through them].
Mk 13:9-11
And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up,( take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate): but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: [for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost]
Mk 13 gives the seven events that must come to pass to bring to an end to this age, and the return of Christ..

Blessings brother...
---char on 7/29/12


Char I think I should clarify that those "who are killed, or better said in the context we are discussing, 'destroyed' " will be those who accept the deception of the false christ. Not all delivered up will do so. The verse you quoted is of course an admonition to depend solely upon the Holy Spirit when delivered up before him. For "He shall destroy wonderfully, And shall prosper and thrive, He shall destroy the mighty, and the holy people. Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery, but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits." Dan 8:24,25>Dan 11:32-35
---Josef on 7/27/12


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"Blessing Josef, Are you referring to this?" Blessing to you Char.
Yes, and I should add coercion to persuasion. It would do us all good to keep these verses in mind. "Unless those days should be shortened 'no flesh' (as one focused on, and moved by the externals of life, due to a sensually based mentality) would be saved, But for the elects sake [whom He has chosen] those days shall be shortened.
." If anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, He is there!' do not believe it. If they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert, go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers, believe [it] not." Mk. 13:20,21>Mat 24:22,26
---Josef on 7/26/12


//By delivering up through persuasion to the Spurious Messiah---Josef on 7/20/12//

Blessing Josef,
Ae you referring to this?
Mk 13:10-11
And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Shalom
---char on 7/26/12


Josef, ok, thank you, I just wanted to make sure I understood properly, and I had interpreted much the same.

"All this I have told you so that you will not fall away."
"many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, BUT THE ONE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED."

"do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known."
Concerning those who are still under false teachers, family or friends, how does 'coming out from' impact those relationships, which are quite varied. As in all things, must trust to God,
---chria9396 on 7/20/12


Thank you MarkV. The same can be said of you and the insight you share. And like you said, "To God be the glory" Amen.
---Josef on 7/20/12


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Josef, I am always incouraged by the way you explain things so clearly in short answers with the limit we have. I thank first the Lord for teaching you so much for the edification of others. To God be the glory, very good job.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/12


Can you elaborate on this, on encounter/battle? I was simply defining the word. However you will find the adherents to that system battling those who resist becoming a part of it. "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever 'killeth you' (By delivering up through persuasion to the Spurious Messiah), will think that he does God service." Jhn 16:2>Mat 24:9-11 For as it is written "brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child, and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to 'death'." Mat 10:21 Just as the true Christ is synonymous with life for those who follow Him, the false Christ will be synonymous with death for those who follow him.
---Josef on 7/20/12


"A town WITH WALLS>>>" reminded me of what you wrote in "Are Christians at War?" blog, If I may quote: "However, ones enemies are contain within ones own mind, the spirit of that antichrist, and that which is influenced of that spirit, constitutes the stronghold. The WALLS OF THAT STRONGHOLD THAT BIND THEM TO MAN are pride, high-mindedness, and arrogance. The GUARDS that keep them are the lusts and passions of the unrenewed mind still focused on the externals. "The lust of the Flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life"." We may think enemies are external, but it seems our greatest enemy is our own selfs
---chria9396 on 7/18/12


Thanks Josef. You are of course always free to comment, your insight is valuable as given by the Father, and Im truly glad for that. I appreciate that you understand that I am not so much questioning what you say, or in some instances others say, as much as considering, contemplating what is given, to grow in understanding of Truth.

My understanding of Mystery Babylon has changed, is changing the hope is to know what is true, and get rid of any untruth
"A town with walls of a greater or lesser size, or as the 'bustling' warfare of it's inhabitants, WHETHER A SINGLE ENCOUNTER OR A BATTLE."
Can you elaborate on this, on encounter/battle? (Im starting a post if you prefer to respond there)
---chria9396 on 7/18/12


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Once again you are quite welcome:o) "I used the word question, the idea of consider might be more appropriate." Chria I will remember that from now on, and only answer that which followed by a question mark.:o)
---Josef on 7/17/12


---Josef on 7/15/12

Once again, thank you. For the moment, wish to say that when I used the word question, the idea of consider might be more appropriate.
---chria9396 on 7/16/12


"so I question BUSTLING confusion and controversy. " Chria, Mystery Babylon is referred to as a city.Rev 18:10 The word city is referenced in one of two ways "A town with walls of a greater or lesser size, or as the 'bustling' warfare of it's inhabitants, whether a single encounter or a battle." The latter is the only applicable definition as far as Mystery Babylon is concerned. Babylon is defined as "confusion" originating with Gen 11:9.Thus the use of the words "bustling confusion" and confusion always creates controversy.
---Josef on 7/15/12


---Josef on 7/14/12 Thanks for the corrections. Had noticed and eliminated comment because of word limitYour clarification is how I interpreted and intended to continue with comments, which you did a better job of, so I will go on to other comments. Youre very careful with your words, mostly quoting scripture, not prone to waste, every word can have impact, and so I question BUSTLING confusion and controversy.
Show, religious, lots more come to mind. Bustling and hustling can go hand in hand,
---chria9396 on 7/15/12


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You are always weclome Chria. My pleasure.
---Josef on 7/14/12


Correction to prior post. "Every time the word "world" is used in John 17:19..." The intended reference was John 15:19. Also "Paul explains it in 1 Cor 5:19-11" should read 1 Cor 5:9-11.
I apologize for the typos. I would also like to clarify that "the lead in the developing one world religion" is not in reference to any particular religious organization but rather the controversy and confusion created by men, led by the father of lies, in positions of authority within the religious system. Jude 1:4,8,10-16>2Ti 3:1-7. The fornication that I referred to is the fornication of mixing the truth of our Father with the lies of Satan, and the religious traditions of man. Mar 7:13
---Josef on 7/14/12


Josef, thank you. "Every time the word "world" is used in John 17:19 it is in reference to that system of things and those led by it." Agree, the "question" originally was to have that considered and distinguished, but I cut out much because of limited space. There are those who see "world" only in that sense, or one of the others.

"come out from among them" does refer to is the religious system of the world. Paul explains it in 1 Cor 5:19-11>2 Tim 3:2-9." Agree. Admittedly, I had in past seen this a bit different.
cont...
---chria9396 on 7/14/12


Chria9396, Jesus' prayer was not to take us out of the 'world', as in this planet, but rather to keep us from the evils of the 'world', as the sensual system that governs this planet. Jhn 17:15. Every time the word "world" is used in John 17:19 it is in reference to that system of things and those led by it.
What "come out from among them" does refer to is the religious system of the world. Paul explains it in 1 Cor 5:19-11>2 Tim 3:2-9. John calls the lead in the developing one world religion that gave birth to denominational religion and the resulting spiritual fornication, bustling confusion, and controversy,"Mystery Babylon, the mother of harlots". We are instructed to come out of Her Rev 18:4
---Josef on 7/13/12


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Believers,in the world not of it, as in physical place, the inhabitants of this planet, and as well as amongst those who are of "this sensual based system of things.?They are dictated by it, the believer is not,rather led by the Spirit.

When told to come out from among them, does it apply to any/all of the above?

Some verses: John 15:19, Joh 17:14, James 1:27, James 4:4
---chria9396 on 7/13/12


You a re quite welcome Aka.
---Josef on 7/13/12


Thanks, Josef, for strengthening with good examples.
---aka on 7/13/12

Agree, and praise God. Blessings
---chria9396 on 7/13/12


thanks, Josef, for strengthening with good examples.
---aka on 7/13/12


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Aka on 7/12/12, I understand. Allow me to share another couple verses in which you may not find that definition as so much of a stretch.
"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world."
Defining of the word "world" as "this sensual based system of things" includes those who focus on the external adornments, seductions, and passions of that system, adhering to and dictated by it because of their sense knowledge dependency. The definition was shortened in my last post due to word restrictions.
---Josef on 7/12/12


Josef,

Mat 18:7 and John 3:16 both use 'kosmos' for world.

i can see 'the inhabitants of this planet' in both verses, but 'this sensually based system of things' does not seem to fit both verses and seems to be a stretch.
---aka on 7/12/12


Thank you Mark. I appreciate the "God bless" Char, same to you.
---Josef on 7/10/12


//[...]"Therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be in the end of 'this world' (this age)." Mat 13:39[...]
"For God so loved the 'world' (the inhabitants of this planet), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Jhn 3:16
---Josef on 7/3/12//

I Love your complete reply Josef-shortened- it for 125 word purpose,
God Bless.
---char on 7/6/12


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Josef, very good points and the different ways that the word "world" is use in Scripture. As I said before, so many times, context, context. Great answer brother.
---Mark_V. on 7/4/12


Defining the word would depend upon the context.
"The heavens [are] thine, the earth also [is] thine: [as for] the 'world' (Cosmos or universe) and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them." Psa 89:11
"Therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be in the end of 'this world' (this age)." Mat 13:39
"Woe unto the 'world' (This sensually based system of things) because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come, but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!" Mat 18:7
"For God so loved the 'world' (the inhabitants of this planet), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Jhn 3:16
---Josef on 7/3/12


We must consider the context the word is being used in. The Greek word "Kosmon" has a number of meanings. Besides "world" it can also mean "order", "harmony": which is the opposite of the Greek word "Chaos", which means "disorder", "discord". In Gk. Jn.3:16 reads, "For God he so loved the harmony, so as the Son of him, the single-sired he gave, that all in who obey him be not abandoned, but have life eternal." This verse should always be read with verse 36: "Whom obeying to the Son has everlasting life, but whom disobeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on that one."
---Eloy on 6/30/12


In John 3:16, the Greek word translated "world" is KOSMOS.

The same Greek word is used in St. John's Epistle, where he says, "Love not the world."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/12


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