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Is the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine Biblical? Can you say a prayer accepting Christ and then go about living like a devil?

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kathr4453, OSAS is falsehood. Backsliding into damnation is true.
Please Read-
B.C.= Ezekiel 18:24-32+ Ezekiel 33:12-20+ Jeremiah 1:19-22+
A.D.= Luke 11:24-26+ Heb.10:26-31+ 2 Peter 2:20-22+ Revelation 3:11-13.
---Eloy on 7/3/12


Ruben, you said "John 15:6 That passage is not saying that if you abide it will save you,"

Ruben, let me explain it to you as if you are a child.
The Vine gives life and when a branch has the life of the Vine it produces fruit, because Jesus said "without Me you can do nothing". If the branch does not produce fruit, it is because it does not have the life of the Vine, it withers and is cast down. The withering branchs pictures apostates Christians who never genuinely believed and will be taken away in judgment (v.6: Matt.7:16:)
(Eph. 2:10) tells us all who are made alive are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them"
---Mark_V. on 7/3/12


Eloy, if one backslides and is truly saved, I think of John Mark. And when I see fallin from Grace, I see those who are being drawn away from the doctrine of the CROSS and going to sanctify themselves by the Law, as our example in Galatians, and ONLY definition given in Galatians. stating in Gal 3, having BEGUN in the Spirit, but now they were trying to perfect themselves by keeping the law...

Paul laboured all over again to form Christ in them via the CROSS, explaining salvation is...I AM CRUCIFIED with Christ, no longer I but Christ in me.


Paul never said though....You're going to have to get saved all over again...
---kathr4453 on 7/3/12


..died in the wilderness died in their sin....WERE SAVED, AND BACKSLID. Eloy on 7/2/12

Eloy, Were they saved by birthright? OR Blood over the door post?

Now here is the forshadowing of blood over the doorpost. Jesus died for ALL period. Yet not ALL will receive that GIFT of salvation and "enter into" the Land, His Flesh, the New Covenant, the Narrow gate, WHY, because THAT has to be done BY FAITH, and those who did not enter in did not enter in for LACK OF FAITH.

Eloy, you actually believe one can enter in WITHOUT FAITH?

BY Grace you have been saved THROUGH FAITH

Justified by His Blood, and SAVED by His Life.

Many are not IN CHRIST, IN the ARK, or entered IN the Promise Land = Salvation.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/12


Finally Eloy, to use those dying in the wilderness as backsliden doesn't make sense. One would actually have to Enter the Land first AND THEN go back and live in the wilderness or Egypt to be considered backslidden.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/12




But, I have fallen so many times. That I know! I cannot stand-up.
---TheSeg on 7/2/12

I too confess that I have not always been faithful and true to God. Yet, He has forgiven my sins and cleansed me from all unrighteousness and now I am the righteousness of God in Christ.

Yet, people in these blogs want us to believe that THEY are able to stand and be sinless.

I too read in the Bible of a man who was strong enough to keep the Law and thought he was sinless. Jesus talked with him and yet he went away sad. A lesson to be learned from that story is to not place your trust in your own ability but in God.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/3/12


"YOU" must bear good fruit Seg, for the fruitless tree is condemned. And ministers that demand tithes are robbing God's sheep, and these wolves in sheeps clothing will be condemned to hell. When Jesus walked into the temple and found the money chargers, he yelled at them, "My House will be a House of Prayer! But you have turned it into a Den of Robbers!" turned their tables upon them, and made a whip and whipped every one of them sinners out of his church, just as our Holy God casts souls out into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, and he will love them no more. Hosea 9:15+ John 2:15+ Mark 11:15-17.
---Eloy on 7/3/12


When it come to fruits try to remember who's they are!

Mal_2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

Mal_3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Who has an ear, let him hear!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/2/12


Mark_V.* "If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers, and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned." Jhn 15:6 That passage is not saying that if you abide it will save you,

Really the next verse reads:

"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you" You can't ask unless you are saved!

Mark V* it is giving evidence that only those who are save abide in Him, so if you don't abide in Him, that should tell you that he is not saved.

Jesus says "I am the vine, you are the branches."V5 but according to you the branches are saved/unsaved, really, shaking my head!
---Ruben on 7/2/12


Seems I am getting some agreement. A person who is saved does not live the old life any more. While still may sin we are no longer loving sin but running from sin. We have turned our eyes off of self and are looking to JESUS the author and finisher of our faith.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/2/12




kathr4453, All of the Israelites were God's people, but when they were tested in the desert they lost their faith. The Scripture is very clear in both testaments about the reality of BackSliding and falling from grace. Please Read- B.C.= Ezekiel 18:24-32+ Ezekiel 33:12-20+ Jeremiah 1:19-22+ A.D.= Luke 11:24-26+ Heb.10:26-31+ 2 Peter 2:20-22+ Revelation 3:11-13. People do leave their salvation and go back into sin, for whatever reason: and the backsliders become seven worse then before they were saved. Do not be deceived, people leave God all the time, some repent and come back to him, but others do not and they instead die separated from God.
---Eloy on 7/2/12


kathr4453, those who died in the wilderness died in their sin....WERE SAVED, AND BACKSLID.
---Eloy on 7/2/12


John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest...I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
2Co 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, [is] God, Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
How sad to be a wheat one day and a tare the next, or a sheep then a goat, or son then not the next: all based on our works and not the Power of God in and through us.
---micha9344 on 7/2/12


Ruben, you refuse to understand. You give (John 15:6) and missed (John 15:5),
" I Am the vine, you are the branches (speaking to the disciples) He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit, for without Me you can do nothing"
If you do not abide in Christ, Christ is not abiding in you, because without Him you can do nothing no fruit. (John 14:15) He said
"If you love Me, keep My commandments" Jesus emphasized the need for the habitual practice of obedience to His commandments as evidence of the believers love for Him and the Father ((v.14:15).
So:
"if anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered, Without Christ you can not produce good fruit.
---Mark_V. on 7/2/12


LORD,how are they increased that trouble me! many are they that rise up against me.

Many there be which say of my soul,There is no help for him in God. Selah!

But thou,O LORD,art a shield for me,my glory,and the lifter up of mine head.

I cried unto the LORD with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill. Selah.

I laid me down and slept,I awaked,for the LORD sustained me.

I will not be afraid of ten thousands of people,that have set themselves against me round about.

Arise,O LORD,save me,O my God:for thou hast smitten all mine enemies upon the cheek bone,thou hast broken the teeth of the ungodly.

Salvation belongeth unto the LORD:thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah.
---TheSeg on 7/2/12


Ruben, Read what Mark E. said about fruit.

Mark,

We must produce fruit. Scripture tells us that any tree that does not produce fruit will be cut down at the roots and tossed in the fire to be burned.(jhn 15:6)Do we automatically produce fruit? a big flat NO! We have to cooperate with God's grace. We have to open the gift and we are free to reject the gift, we have to on a 'daily' basis walk with Jesus. Remember Luke 9:23 says 1) we have to deny ourselves and 2) pickup our cross daily, faith and works together not faith and then comes works!
---Ruben on 7/2/12


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Eloy, those who died in the wilderness died in their sin....NOT SAVED.

Those who began with us but departed SCRIPTURE tells us tHEY were never of us to begin with.

Many will make a false profession based on a FALSE GOSPEL Eloy, I already explained this.

none of your points state any were saved, and lost their salvation. The Promise Land IS SALVATION and the Jordan IS a type/shadow of the Cross. If you don't CROSS OVER you are not saved. Many are on the wrong side of the cross TO SCARED to cross over...Giving up your life to many is a scary thing! Noah and family did NOT jump out of the ARK! They couldn't. Why? Because GOD closed THE DOOR and sealed the door!
---kathr4453 on 7/2/12


Is the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine Biblical?
Does anyone else see two answers?

One is from God saying:
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

The other is not:
Even though he was manifested, he has not destroyed the works of the devil.



Can you say a prayer accepting Christ and then go about living like a devil?
We do anyway! Which of you after accepting Christ has not sinned?

Tell you something, some will not understand.
But, I have fallen so many times. That I know! I cannot stand-up.

Christ spoke to a woman, who washed his feet with tears!
If you could only see what this woman saw in Christ!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/2/12


Ruben, you keep reading and not understanding. When Jesus said that none of His sheep will perish, He was not lying. None means none. Then you give a passage that you think contradicts that passage and say,
"If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers, and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned." Jhn 15:6 That passage is not saying that if you abide it will save you, it is giving evidence that only those who are save abide in Him, so if you don't abide in Him, that should tell you that he is not saved. It is the evidence, not the cause of salvation.
---Mark_V. on 7/2/12


The lie that a person beginning a new life with Christ can live their own selfish life without Christ and is still saved is crap. We must walk with Jesus daily, not just weekly on Sundays, but daily.
---Eloy on 7/2/12


Eloy, this idea that one who has begun an New Life In Christ chooses to live a selfish life without Christ is what is crap.

He who has begun a good work in you WILL continue it until the Day of Jesus Christ. That's a FACT!
---kathr4453 on 7/2/12


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kathr4453, Not all whom say, Lord, Lord, are right with God and are going to heaven. Notice that not all the Israelites went into the promised land, but only the faithful. Likewise in the New Testament, not all whom started out with Christ remained followers with Christ up to glory, but only the faithful. Jesus says: "My own are known by their fruit: Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree rotten and its fruit rotten: for from the fruit the tree is known. " The lie that a person beginning a new life with Christ can live their own selfish life without Christ and is still saved is crap. We must walk with Jesus daily, not just weekly on Sundays, but daily.
---Eloy on 7/2/12


trey* Jude 1:1 says we are preserved in Christ.

Jude 5:6
Christ also warns us!

trey* 1 Peter 1:5 says we are kept by the power of God.

"Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour. 9 Resist him, firm in your faith" 1 Peter 5:8-9

He also warns us!

Trey* Christ stated:
Joh10:28 And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

And a few chapters after that states:

"If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers, and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned." Jhn 15:6
---Ruben on 7/2/12


Eloy on 7/2/12

If in fact Jesus has set us free, then how on earth can one lose their salvation?

And Tribulation YES is what all Christians will go through. We all SUFFER just because we are saved, and suffer from sin as well. 1st Peter states, those who have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin..... THAT what Eloy...finish reading the verse.

You actually believe a baby Christian never sins or stumble...even babies learning to walk stumble and fall.


I'm not going to get into an argument here with you here Eloy.

Do you believe David lost his salvation when he sinned, and then got saved AGAIN? OR does scripture teach God chastens those who are HIS, as we see That is exactly waht God did with David.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/12


eloy, why do you brag about how many times you have read the bible? what makes you think you can translate the bible? my heart cries when I read your post. why do you think you must translate God's Word? I honestly think God knew what He was doing when He inspired man to write His Words. you are unbelieveable to say the least.
---shira4368 on 7/2/12


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kathr4453, Tribulation caused by living righteous, is not the same thing as tribulation caused by living in sin: one is the mark of God, and the other is the mark of sin. By your answer, you dis Jesus and we saints from him, whom declare, "You must be born-again from God. I will give them one heart: A new heart will I put within you, and a new Spirit will I put within you: and I will take out the stony heart of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. I am glorified in them. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. When the Son therefore sets you free, you will be free indeed." And OSAS is falsehood and denies the truth of backsliders into perdition.
---Eloy on 7/2/12


Eloy, to answer your question:


Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Romans 5:2-7

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience,

4 And patience, experience, and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/12


Eloy, did you know when the Children went into the Promise land...did you know even in the promise land were not only mountains but valley's..victory and defeat.

Did you not also know Psalms 23 says, Yea thou I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, THOU ART WITH ME, and thy rod and staff comfort me?

Was I in sin? Well Eloy I was IN CHRIST...Crucified with Christ/ so if you know Romans 6 by more than a head kinowledge or doctrinal position, but by experience...then you would know that that can't be done without Christ.

Yes I know I am eternally secure IN CHRIST.

and NO, there is no such thing as sinless perfection here on earth. In heaven all will be perfect....we're not yet in Heaven.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/12


eloy, last word here.

Question. Do you still hold unforgiveness against your xwife? that's SIN. I know it is, because I too was married to someone who not only hurt me deeply, but was also very sacrilegious and blasphemous towards Christianity. It was teh Lord who had to work IN ME to forgive. So all teh while I was angry I was actually sinning, YET teh Lord never left me, but worked THROUGH ME...to bring me to a place of absolute forgiveness. Something so supernatural, I can't even express it. We are friends today, and I pray for his salvation every day.

Your not sinless Eloy, I know that for a fact, if you hold unforgiveness against your X...I don't care what she did.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/12


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Eloy, I will answer you that question. I do believe in OSAS. Here is why, because God is faithful that He will complete what He started. If you do not believe that, then you don't have saving faith in God but in yourself.
---Mark_V. on 7/2/12


kathr4453, you're silly asking me if I never read Romans 6. I have read through the Bible more than once, and I translate the Scriptures from their original tongues. So you are quiet silly in asking me whether I read Romans 6. I have a question that needs clarifying so I that I know your position. For your posting of being in the valleys and hard times and Christ never left you, were you talking about living in sin? This is what I gathered you were saying, and if so, then yes Christ was not with you while you were living without him. Please answer me this question so that I know your position, Do you believe in OSAS?
---Eloy on 7/1/12


Eloy. have you not read Romans 6, When I died with Christ I died to sin..it has no more power over me. I have been set free from the power of Sin by Jesus Christ.

Since my old man is dead, the sentence of death no longer applies to me, or anyone who died with Christ.

I am saved from any wrath to come, because I am in Christ.

THIS is the Gospel of salvation.

No such thing as a Gospel of almost saved, or maybe you might be saved IF....
---kathr4453 on 7/1/12


Secure or not secure? our apostle Paul teaches (Rom. 11:13) that members of the Body of Christ living in the dispensation of Grace are eternally secure in Him (Rom. 8:35-39, Phil. 1:6). But the question is if the Hebrew believers in the kingdom program enjoy the same assurance. Yes and no consider the evidence.

"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" (Matt. 24:13 cf. 10:22).
Our Lord's words here suggest that any Hebrew believer who does not endure unto the end of the Tribulation without taking the mark of the beast will not be saved. We find the same thought in John 8:
---michael_e on 7/1/12


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Trey, you are perfectly correct. Anyone can say a lot of prayers but they mean absolutely nothing if the person is not born of the Spirit. Once born of the Spirit and person will be able to pray with faith, which comes from the Spirit at rebirth. The reason many believe you can lose your salvation is because they believe they can earn it by their works. Good godly works are produced by believers only, and only believers give glory to God, and that was the purpose for which we were saved in the first place, (Eph. 2:10)
"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in"
---Mark_V. on 7/1/12


Eloy, YES faith without works is dead...it doesn't say will die. And it doesn't say one can lose their salvation. And those who reject Jesus offer of eternal life were never first saved and lost their salvation.

James along with Peter is saying "check to make sure you are really saved."

You either are or are not.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/12


Eloy on 7/1/12 - I00 % Power to follow Christ ?

Even if a person has truly become save can still fall into sin, While on this earth, they still have the old body, that lust after sin, The bible gives a great example of this with David ,

ROMANS 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man
ROMANS 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
ROMAN 7:24 O Wretch man that I am who shall deliver me from the body of this death.
---RICHARDC on 7/1/12


kathr4453, Faith without works is dead: for you have 100% power to follow Jesus, and also you have 100% power to reject Christ. Please Read the complete small book of James in the back of the New Testament. You are deceived if you actually think that you can live in sin and be in fellowship with God and have his acceptance. Jesus did not make the lake of fire and brimstone in vain. God's Love and Grace have a requirement: 1. You must repent from sin. 2. You must love and obey Jesus' Commandments- DAILY! You cannot say "I Do" today for Jesus, and then tomorrow say "I Don't" for Jesus. You cannot say "Yes" to Jesus today, and then at the same time say "Yes" to sin. You cannot serve 2 Masters: Jesus and sin.
---Eloy on 7/1/12


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1 John 2:4 - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Romans 8:9 - But ye are not of the flesh, but of the spirit, if so be that the spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
---RICHARDC on 7/1/12


We know the saved by the fruits that they show. Do they walk and talk like Jesus, OR does the person walk and talk like the world? Is the person a Christian? or a worldling? Are they a sanctified Saint? or a condemned sinner? Is their standard of Right and Wrong, Right and Wrong? OR is their standard cloudy to where they have None? This Christian walk is a DAILY walk with Jesus, not a one time many years ago when I said Yes to Jesus, but ever since then I live in selfishness and in sin. Jesus says, unless you take up your own cross daily and follow after me you cannot be mine. What does that mean? It means crucify yourself, you must die to self in order to live for Christ daily.
---Eloy on 7/1/12


Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our SALVATION NEARER than when we believed.

If salvation is nearer, it means that we do not yet have salvation.

we accept by faith that we are being saved, and that we shall be saved from His wrath

What those who believe once savedalways saved have not adressed is that fact that people do turn back, people do walk away from thier faith

Our salvation is only gauranteed if we continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which we have heard, Colossians 1:23
---francis on 7/1/12


Jim,
To answer the second part of your question. A prayer of accepting Christ as your personal saviour means nothing until one has been born of the Spirit of God. Prayer does not make us a child of God. The Spirit of God (the Holy Ghost) makes us a child of God. Until a person is born again, saying a prayer means nothing. The Apostle Paul must have prayed a multitude of prayers as a Pharasee but he didn't pray them unto God. He prayed unto himself. When God spoke to Ananias (Acts 9:11) he assured Ananias that Paul was one of his and that Paul was now a follower of Christ by stating "behold he prayeth".

Once one has been born again they do not act or think the same way. Mt12:33
---trey on 7/1/12


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I was saved at age 14 and I have eternal life in Jesus Christ. there are many scriptures that tell us we have eternal life. God also forgives us many times over. no one can show me scripture that says we have to be saved over and over. Jesus died for me and you and I just can't understand why Jesus would have to die over and over for our sin. I praise God I am saved forever. that does not mean we can go out and sin but the flesh does sin even some sin we aren't aware of at the time. Amen my spirit lives forever and ever.
---shira4368 on 7/1/12


Jim,
First of all, I believe Once Saved always Saved is Biblical based on scripture.

Jude 1:1 says we are preserved in Christ.

1 Peter 1:5 says we are kept by the power of God.

Christ stated:
Joh10:28 And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

So if one understands these scriptures and believes in the sovereign power of an almighty God that is able to sanctify us and preserve us in Christ Jesus then one understands that Once Saved Always Saved is Biblical.
---trey on 7/1/12


If you are dead, how is it that you reason here and speak? You are dead,
yet you think feel hear.
---Nana on 6/30/12

Nana, Paul all ready answered that.

Colossians2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

21 (Touch not, taste not, handle not,

22 Which all are to perish with the using,) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
---kathr4453 on 7/1/12


---For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Nana Is this what you Gospel teaches you? That CHRIST IS YOUR LIFE?

You see THIS is the Gospel according to the Mystery. This is that Gospel that tells us when Christ appears WE will appear with Him in Glory. THIS Gospel tells us our life is Hidden with God IN CHRIST.

AND what crazy NUT would even want to leave this place? Just like no one who entered the Promise land SAW how beautiful it was and the SIZE of those grapes etc, that land of milk and honey and wanted to Leave and go back to egypt or go back and play in the wilderness...and no scripture says anyone did.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/12


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And here you all can see Eloy and I totally disagree on this point.

Eloy, interestingly, when I was saved I was never taught OSAS to begin with. It was walking with the Lord over 30 years of mountains and valley's and horrible moments of life's ups and downs, my own horrible failures and so on that the LORD never left me or forsook me. I praise God every minute of every day for HIS faithfulness. Because really, if it was left in my power...(having NONE), I would never know the GRACE and MERCY of God , and that His Grace and Mercy is NEW every day.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/12


I wrote this poem out of my own personal experience back in 1983

GRACE

Your Mercy so gracious,
You spend it on me,
OH what is this love
you want me to see

It has no conditions
of which on my part
I must work to earn it
It's Grace you impart

ALL fear leaves this love
A peace now does land
My heart fixed on Jesus
I REST IN HIS HAND!
---kathr4453 on 7/1/12


Catholicus, The "Once Saved Always Saved" is one of the false doctrines among the deceived or brainwashed. It basically offers sinners a "fantasy one time for all time" free acceptance into heaven by reciting words without any obedience to God. And once you recite the words your sins are magically covered for all time and you are accepted by God for all time no matter how disobedient you live. The problem with this false teaching is that it is a lie straight from pit of hell, and is not Biblical. The Bible is very clear, in order to be accepted you must first repent from sin, receive Christ, and must live for Christ which is taking up your own cross and following Jesus.
---Eloy on 6/30/12


"If you are DEAD how is it you can walk away?"
You neglect the many Scriptures foretelling of falling away and apostacy.
If you are dead, how is it that you reason here and speak? You are dead,
yet you think feel hear. Keep your strenght less you grow tired as it most
certainly happens, therefore: 2Thes.2:15,17 "Therefore, brethren, stand fast,
and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our
epistle. Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work."

Luke 12:45 "My lord delayeth his coming,...", another who got tired of waiting!
M.E., we are to look at the goals set before us and not what we set ahead of
ourselves, our shortcomings.
---Nana on 6/30/12


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Here's another...

Romans 7 gives a hint.

To die to one to be married to another.

Well we all need to die to the Law, self, this world etc, BUT HOW?

If you are DEAD how is it you can walk away?

If you died with Christ, as we are told, and raised up a New Creature In Christ, we are told...does that whole thing just do a vanishing act? Then YOU never really died with Christ to begin with..

You who say you can lose your salvation, don't even know what salvation is or means. Or who Christ..the SURETY OF the New Covenant is and what the responsibility of a SURETY is?
---kathr4453 on 6/30/12


Ruben, you did not proof I was wrong with those passages.
All you did was give evidence that you are not saved for if you were you would give evidence of fruit. Read what Mark E. said about fruit.
Read James on faith. Faith that has no works is not faith. For if you have true saving faith it always produces good works.
Then read (Eph. 2:10)
"For we (believers) are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do"
If you do not do good works, it only indicates you are not a believer.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/12


Hebrews 7:22
By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

I really don't think many people know this verse or even understand it.

Does anyone Know what a SURETY is?

But, you first must be IN COVENANT with Jesus for He to be your Surety.

So, how do you enter into the New Covenant as Hebrews 10 points out? What happened to those who scoffed at the New Covenant insulting the Spirit of Grace? No one scoffs at the Spirit of Grace AFTER salvation. That was a before thing.

Once you ENTER IN, that is through the veil, that is to say His Flesh a New and Living way.....are you NUTS, you actually think you can LOSE that New Life In Christ..undo being Crucified with Christ...

NO YOU CANNOT!

---kathr4453 on 6/30/12


Ruben 2: We are saved by the grace of God not by anything we do ourselves, but once we are saved, God through the Holy Spirit begins to change us so that we can do good works. If the Spirit is not in us, and we do good works, those works are sin, for anything without faith is sin. Because the good works we do without Christ do not bring glory to Him but to us. Read (Romans 1:21) "For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but their foolish hearts were darkened." That is what brings the wrath of God.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/12


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If after you received Jesus Christ NOTHING happened, and you just went on like always, never convicted of sin etc, I mean really NO CHANGE..well, you were probably peddeled a false Gospel to begin with.. ONLY ONE GOSPEL SAVES.

We know there are many FALSE Gospels out there...SO I BELIEVE THAT is the problem...not man losing their salvation.

God is not responsible to uphold these false gospels under any circumstances.

If the Blood and the CROSS is not central to a gospel IT'S NOT THE GOSPEL according to the MYSTERY....the ONLY Gospel that SAVES,and SANCTIFIES. You see, according to Hebrews 10..WE ARE ALSO sanctified THROUGH the BODY of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 6/30/12


James 1:22_24
---Nana on 6/29/12

Why is it that the people who love to quote from the book of James never quote this Scripture?

James 3:2 "For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body".

Because they want us to believe you can be saved and never sin again. And how many of them are perfect men?

No, this verse tells us the truth about our condition, we all stumble, we all lose fathfulness, we all sin. Anyone who says they do not sin is a liar, according to the Bible

1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us"
---Mark_Eaton on 6/30/12


James 1:22_24 "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was."

Romans 11:20_22 "... Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity, but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
Whereas Romans 11 the welcoming of the Gentiles through faith, Romans 12 describes what "his goodness" in action is.
---Nana on 6/29/12


One NEEDS to live in the truth
---Nana on 6/29/12

I think we need some clarification again. I see three different "cases" being brandished around in questions and answers.

Case 1: Says a prayer, signs a book, reads a tract, and has no other fruit in the rest of their life - I believe they are Not Saved

Case 2: Seems to be a believer, does "godly" things but eventually walks away never to returns to God - Uncertain but may be the seed that grows for a season and then withers.

Case 3: Seems to be a believer, does "godly" things but does sinful things also. May even have an addiction or two - Uncertain but may be a believer still struggling with sin in their life.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/29/12


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Mark_V.* Ruben, Your problem is that you believe that by your own works you are saved.

"he who does not obey the Son shall not see life"(JHn 3:18)

Mark V*If you, by your own works allow a priest to sprinkled you with water,

"and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he(Philip) baptized him"( Acts 8:38)

Mark V* if you, by your own works eat the flesh of Christ,

"Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." (Jhn 6:54) You have to eat his flesh, he dos not do it for you!

Mark V* Sorry, but that is not Scriptural.

Sorry, you just been proven wrong!
---Ruben on 6/29/12


"Ruben, ...?"
---kathr4453 on 6/29/12

Why this: John 8:29 "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone, for I do always those things that please him."

And afterwards:
John 8:31_32 "..., If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed,
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Abouth the truth he says, "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

One NEEDS to live in the truth kathr4453: "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

JAMES 1:22
---Nana on 6/29/12


jim, anyone can say a prayer or read a tract. being saved is from the heart under conviction. when my husband was 18 someone gave him a new testiment and he signed it saying he is a believer. well 50 years later he really did become a believer. God saved him 4 year before he passed away. that is why I have a problem with tracts.
---shira4368 on 6/29/12


Catholicus asked a good question what is a Christian saved from. Most people mean from hell. But Keith Green said we are saved from the dominion of sin.

So those who are once saved always saved are those who hate sin flee from sin and live in love of GOD and love of others.

A peson who does not do this is not saved. Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/12


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Ruben, you have to escape salvation by works in order to understand why "God never loses one of His Children" mean. What you suggest is that He does. If you decide to leave, He would lose you. Hello?
Satan does not defeat the purposes of God. Or do you think that satan is more powerful then God?
Your problem is that you believe that by your own works you are saved. If you, by your own works allow a priest to sprinkled you with water, if you, by your own works eat the flesh of Christ, then if you sin and go to purgatory, only the works of others can get you into heaven, it couldn't be your own works because you would be dead. Your whole salvation is by your own works.
Sorry, but that is not Scriptural.
---Mark_V. on 6/29/12


kathr44538* Ruben, did you know when you get saved "ETERNAL LIFE" comes to live with in you? But since Christ is in us, and HE can die no more, you are suggesting Christ in you can die again, bringing you to death again. HE is that eternal life in you. That's why we have eternal life.

What I am saying is you can walk away from Eternal Life if you choose to!

kathr4453* And Satan seeks Christians to cause them to lose their testimony before the world. Satan cannot ROB you of your salvation. Satan is NOT stronger than Christ in you..Romans 8..

Of course Satan is not stronger, Paul is warning Christians to resist him, why if your Salvation is secure?
---Ruben on 6/29/12


God does not lose the children, we leave because he allows us.
---Ruben on 6/29/12

But the question is, if your child leaves you do they cease to be your child? No, your child will still be your child until the day they die.

I know we have modern ways of divorcing parents but our child/parent relationship mirrors our child/God relationship in this attribute. If we are a child of God, we will never cease to be a child of God.

The problem is that we identify people too quickly as a child of God. We use our emotions when it comes to people being lost and not our discernment.

But Jesus tells us the truth, "Narrow is the gate, difficult is the way".
---Mark_Eaton on 6/29/12


God does not lose the children, we leave because he allows us.

"Be sober, be watchful.

If already saved then satan seeking is useless!
---Ruben on 6/29/12


Ruben, did you know when you get saved "ETERNAL LIFE" comes to live with in you? Did you know Adam /Eve when created were not created with eternal life...they died correct. But since Christ is in us, and HE can die no more, you are suggesting Christ in you can die again, bringing you to death again. HE is that eternal life in you. That's why we have eternal life.

And Satan seeks Christians to cause them to lose their testimony before the world. Satan cannot ROB you of your salvation. Satan is NOT stronger than Christ in you..Romans 8..
---kathr4453 on 6/29/12


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Romans 5:9 Much more then, being NOW JUSTIFIED by his blood, we SHALL BE SAVED from wrath through him.

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our SALVATION NEARER than when we believed.

Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience WAIT FOR IT.
---francis on 6/29/12


John 15:9_10 is the only assurance.
---Nana on 6/29/12

I do not how you read these Scriptures, but I do not disagree with anything you posted. and nothing contradicts what I said.

However, this verse in John 15 is the one that tells me what happens when seeming believers fall away:

John 15:2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away, and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit"

Every branch, every person, (grown out the vine that is Jesus) that does not bear fruit, the Father takes away. And if you do not bear fruit (not abiding) you are cast out as a branch, dried and withered, and thrown into the fire and burned.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/29/12


There is many reasons why I believe that when God really saves someone, He never loses them, because they are His children. If God lost His children to satan, then satan would be defeating the purposes of God, and I know that can never be. If God were defeated, He would not be God.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/12


Mark,

God does not lose the children, we leave because he allows us.

"Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experience of suffering is required of your brotherhood throughout the world. "( 1 PT 5:8-9)

If already saved then satan seeking is useless!
---Ruben on 6/29/12


Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them, for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

When righteous people turn from their righteous behavior and start doing sinful things, they will die for it. Yes, they will die because of their sinful deeds

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

What I like about this verse it that is says AFTER RECEIVING THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH. Meaning after you know all about Jesus and what he has doen for our sins
---francis on 6/29/12


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Mark E, I disagree.

God's revelation:
Isaiah 1:16_17 "Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil,
Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow."

John 3:20_21 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

Not speaking of animals anywhere there.


John 15:9_10 is the only assurance.
---Nana on 6/29/12


Ezekiel 18:24...
Hebrews 10:26...
---francis on 6/28/12

I knew these verses would come out.

Eze 18:24 - Who are the righteous? And in what righteousness do they stand? When the Scripture was written, the righteousness was in the yearly sacrifice of animals. Today, we stand in the righteousness of Jesus and His one time for all sacrifice which cannot fail us.

Heb 10:26 - The key word is sacrifice. How many sacrifices can you make to save yourself? Of course there is no sacrifice you can make that can remove your sin. But the Jews of the first century did not know that and that is what the verse tells them.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/29/12


If a person thinks that they can go on living any way they choose after coming to Christ then that person just doesn't understand what grace is all about.
Scripture is very clear that if you are in Christ you are a new creation. your old way of living and thinking are gone. Behold...everything has become new.
---JIM on 6/29/12


Once saved, always saved -- from what?
---Catholicus on 6/28/12


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Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity,..shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
---francis on 6/28/12


Jim, I agree with Mark E. First of all many do not believe in OSAS because they see many go back to perdition and then say, "see, they were saved and lost their salvation" Here is one problem, many say a prayer and believe they are saved and later go back to living as they did before, sometimes even worse. I believe even this website doesn't believe in OSAS.
There is many reasons why I believe that when God really saves someone, He never loses them, because they are His children. If God lost His children to satan, then satan would be defeating the purposes of God, and I know that can never be. If God were defeated, He would not be God. There is more reasons-continue:
---Mark_V. on 6/28/12


Well this topic has been argued for a long time. Spurgeon wrote that if you love sin you are not a Christian.

I believe that if you hate sin and love JESUS then you will not live in sin. If you do not live in sin then you are saved.

But a person who says they are a Christian but lives in sin can say they are once saved always saved. Yet they are not saved.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/28/12


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