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Did Adam Sin In Ignorance

It says "Adam was not deceived", in 1 Timothy 2:14. Did Eve make the forbidden fruit look like something else? Could he have sinned in ignorance, but still get punished?

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Hello,To TheSeg with utmost respect,just mess'n around on here,saw your poem.It holds such beautifull words,perhaps that could have been Adam try to patch things up with his woman Eve. She did not leave physically,but her heart stray from the original plan. Just a view, great poem.There is no doubt so,much talent people here in our worldwide family! Thankyou,brother. Love ofJesus! Lidia4796
---Lidia4796 on 10/21/13


Willie, in the context of (1 Tim. 2:14), Paul is speaking about the role of the man and the woman. God designed a role for her, He made woman after man to be his suitable helper. By nature Eve was not suited to assume the position of unltimate responsibility. That belonged to Adam as head of the woman.
By leaving Adam's protection and unsurping his headship Eve became vulnerable and fell. Ultimately the responsibility for the fall still rest with Adam and since he chose to disobey God apart from being deceived and having the leadership responsibility he took the whole race with him.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/13


Adam loved Eve more than God and decided to go down with the ship.
---bike on 2/6/13


So long, Aka. You're a good guy. Peace to you.
---Catholicus on 7/7/12


Catholicus, peace to you also, hope you can find a website that will meet your needs. I really didn't think you would just leave. You were having too much fun here. So I am suprised.
---Mark_V. on 7/8/12




If I got on my knees and I pleaded with you
Not to go but to stay in my ar-arms
Would you walk out the door like you did once before?
Or would this time be different, would you sta-a-ay?

Don't go(Please stay)

If I called out your name like a prayer in the night
Would you leave me alone with my tears?
Knowing I-I, I love you so-o, would you still turn and go?
Or would this time be different in some wa-a-ay?

Don't go(Please stay)

You took me away from the rest of the world
When you taught me to love you like this
Now I hang by a thread in the canyon of doom
But I still can be saved.. by your kiss
---TheSeg on 7/7/12


//You are here to make fun at the faith. // markv

no, he is not.

take care catholicus.
---aka on 7/7/12


Seg, I think I'll be on my way. It's been fun posting here. Peace to you and Mark and the others. Enjoy your life, and I will too. :)
---Catholicus on 7/6/12


I dearly love my wife. I have become so fond of her and her devoted service that to give her up would be impossible without God's aid. Adam chose the natural thing a man would do in his place. He knew it was disobedience, but he cherished his wife as his own flesh, and was unable to choose otherwise. I can totally relate.
---Phil on 7/7/12


Catholicus, I do not have to right to tell you to leave. This website is open to everyone. I do find it offensive that you are here to have fun at the expense of the Word of God and the expense of Christians. We are here to discuss Scripture, and you have no part in that other then to laugh at the Word of God because it amuses you.
---Mark_V. on 7/7/12




Seg, I appreciate your concern.
No, no, no Im not concern!
I just want you to know the truth.
You know the one you cant believe.

I get a little upset with people too!
Like when you said (how can you believe any of this stuff?)
In away youre calling me stupid, right.
But, I have to remember, you have no choice.
Your just doing what you think is right!
And thats what Mark is doing.

Like Christ said, if I tell you earthly things and you dont believe!
How are you going to believe heavenly things?

And here we go.
Joh_3:19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
---TheSeg on 7/6/12


Seg, I appreciate your concern. I'm waiting for Mark's response. I'll be happy if he wants of to leave.
---Catholicus on 7/6/12


Catholicus, wouldn't it be stories?
(I was a conscientious bible student for decades.)
Conscientious - Characterized by extreme care and great effort.
Maybe this is why.

(There's nothing in the bible explaining gravity.)
This from a conscientious bible student?

I'm not knocking you.
But, you think one believes by choice!
Isa_42:16And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not, I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

Many are telling you are lost.
I'm here trying to tell you, this is not so.
Always remember God gave you a measure!
But, you dont believe it.
---TheSeg on 7/6/12


Mark V, if you would prefer that I not post any more responses on ChristiaNet, I will be happy not to. I'm sorry you found me offensive. Let me know. Thanks.
---Catholicus on 7/6/12


Adam (just like us do today, as we are no better) set aside what God instructed him not to do and did what his wife suggested/asked. This is not ignorance but choice.
---Adetunji on 7/6/12


Seg, yes I know the story well. I was a conscientious bible student for decades. As for gravity, There's nothing in the bible explaining gravity. Gravity may be one of those scientific fables.
---Catholicus on 7/5/12


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Catholicus, you might be a great person, and people might love you a lot, but to your confession that you are not a believer, and here to enjoy what Christians have to say, it is important that others know who they are dealing with when they answer you. You are here to make fun at the faith. You have been deceived already and don't even know it or realize it. Just like Eve, you believe the devil is the truth teller.
---Mark_V. on 7/6/12


Catholicus, not only that!

But, they also believe God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

But, more importantly they believe that there was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
He came to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe!

He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world!

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
You can understand that right!

He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
---TheSeg on 7/5/12


You might also want to read-up on gravity!

Aka, I like what you said:
There are snakes speaking everyday to you and to me.
Until you said, it is called allegory!

Exo_3:2And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush:
Num_22:28And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass,

And this one:
Luk_24:46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Im just saying:
Luk_24:25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Rev_21:5 Behold, I make all things new./Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Peace

---TheSeg on 7/5/12


Mark V, thanks for setting Eloy straight about me. I appreciate it.
---Catholicus on 7/5/12


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Eloy, I still can't figure out why people in South America and Australia don't fall off the earth since they are down there at the bottom standing upside down.
---Catholicus on 7/5/12


Eloy, you are speaking spiritual matters to a person who already claimed he is not a believer. How can anyone explain anything spiritual to someone who is not spiritual? Impossible.

"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." (Rom. 8:5,6).

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the Power of God" (1 Cor. 1:18).
---Mark_V. on 7/5/12


Catholicus, When Holy Scripture from God says that the serpent spoke, then the serpent spoke. When Holy Scripture reads about any supernatural phenomenon happening, then supernatural phenonmenon happened. Or do you think that God is somehow finite rather than the All-Powerful Creator, incapable of hold the earth in space, and spinning it like a top and revolving it around an ordered circuit, and at the same time able to keep all of the planets in perfect alignment so as not to burn up by the sun nor freeze over, nor crash into each other, and also holds all the billions of gallons of waters in the oceans with all their fish and whales and all the people living atop the surface of the earth without sliding off into outer space?
---Eloy on 7/4/12


Aka, I don't know either. But there are people around here who believe a snake talked. :)
---Catholicus on 7/3/12


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catholicus, i wouldn't know 7,000 years is as long as 7 billion years for me...especially when reading these blogs.
---aka on 7/3/12


Aka, 'allegory' is a dirty word to the young earthers.
---Catholicus on 7/3/12


C'mon guys, how can you believe any of this stuff? Snakes don't talk, never have, never will.
---Catholicus on 7/3/12

there are snakes speaking everyday to you and to me. it is called allegory.
---aka on 7/3/12


Instead of falling to her knees and repenting, or even running to her husband and repenting, she talked her beloved husband into following her into disobedience against God. Adam knew that his wife was no longer with him in innocence. That means he was all alone with the animals again, with no companion at all in the whole world. Misery loves company, the woman also knew that she was separated from her husband and God after eating the fruit, and so she wanted nothing more then to have her husband "with her" in her bad state. If she would have repented, she would have been restored to her former innocence, for God Almighty is merciful. Then the only one that would have been cast out of Paradise would have been the guilty serpent.
---Eloy on 7/3/12


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C'mon guys, how can you believe any of this stuff? Snakes don't talk, never have, never will.
---Catholicus on 7/3/12


Wille 2: Here Satan planted the suspicion in Eve's mind that it was not because the fruit of the tree would injure her that God had forbidden her to eat, but because God did not wish her to be like Himself. Before Eve thought of the forbidden action as disobedience but now she sees it as a necessity if she is to become a complete and mature person. By the time Satan got done with her, Eve was more or less calling God a liar, even though she might not have recognized those implications of her action. She accepted Satan as the truth-teller and God as the prevaricator: by partaking of the fruit she was implicitly stating her belief that Satan was more interested in her welfare than God was. She was totally deceived as many are deceive even today.
---Mark_V. on 7/2/12


But if Adam was not deceived, this could mean he full well knew what he was doing!
---willie_c: on 7/1/12

Precisely.
---aka on 7/2/12


Willi, Adam was not igonrant, he knew what not to do. Eve was deceived, Which is a good example of how satan deceives even today. From the very first question satan lied.
"Is it really a fact that God has prohibited you from eating "of all the trees" of the garden?" He distored what God said. Satan got Eve to take her eyes off all the things God had given her to enjoy, and focused on the one thing she could not do. Second, he lied again saying "You will not surely die" That the results of sin would not be as bad as God said.
Third, Satan says,
"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil"
---Mark_V. on 7/2/12


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It's interesting how many different questions can get involved in answering one question (c: lololololololol

Well, it does say that God said to the "man" (Genesis 2:16-17) not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Then, after this is written, God makes Eve from a rib of Adam. However, Eve did know something by the time the serpent talked with her. So, I can see she was made after Adam got the command, and in any case she was told.

But if Adam was not deceived, this could mean he full well knew what he was doing!
---willie_c: on 7/1/12


Leon, I agree with you, as it was recently preached on at my church. I did not want to give my opinion, because I was taught that each of us must learn through the power of the Holy Spirit to understand what Scripture mean for each of us.

My thinking is that because Adam was told about the Tree, and its fruit being forbidden, before Eve was created, and then she was deceived by the Serpent, God gave Adam, and consequently husbands, the Spiritual responsibility of leading their wives, and familes, in obedience to our Lord.
---Trish on 7/1/12


\\For Adam was first formed, then Viva.\\

What language is "viva"? And why are youm rendering the Hebrew word "Chava" thus?

Better youm should translate it directly into English as "Life", as does the LXX,
rendering the name "Zoe".

I guess youm are just trying to show off yourm shallow erudition.

And everyone here knows why.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/1/12


williw_c, Correctly, 1 Timothy 2:14 reads, "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." Also the beginning word "AND" to the verse means that there is more foregoing information to this verse, including verses 11 thru 15 which reads: "Let the woman learn in silence with all submission. Moreover I permit not a woman to teach nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Viva. AND Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she will be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and love and holiness and self-control."
---Eloy on 7/1/12


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\\trish, after you become saved then you will see and know my point, and also see and know the relevance of The Truthful Scripture I preach,\\

Youm cannot possibly preach truthful scripture, Eloy since everything youm say is sinuous and youm always blaspheme the Christians here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/1/12


"Adam [wasn't] ignorant when he sinned. God spelled it out [spoke] plain & simple...to Adam.

I don't believe Eve made the forbidden fruit look like anything other than what it was. She was deceived [tricked] by the Serpent...

[No one knows] for certain if Eve [was made] before or after [God instructed] Adam about the Tree. Some scholars say she was. Others disagree."
---Trish on 6/30/12


True Trish! Yet, I'm one who believes Eve was made afterwards & God placed the responsibility upon Adam to instruct (teach, inform) his wife. Thereby, it set the tone & pattern for God-given/delegated male authority as seen throughout the Bible & in Church history.
---Leon on 7/1/12


Trish, any time someone disagrees or questions Eloy he babbles the same tripe.
Eloy is not on CN to help people.
He is here to bring attention to his wisdom. His wisdom is that of a fool. He causes more harm than good.
He does not try to follow the rules,
1. Christ-like replies
2. Do not post urls or emails
(I just reported him for the later) Yea, Eloy it was me!
You and I can must try to not be like him and warn others. He has had the longest run of posting falsehoods and lies of anyone that has been on CN.
It is up to us to issue warnings to others. His evil-ness has over-shadowed his goodness. Take note of that.
---Elder on 7/1/12


Eloy: I know I did not blaspheme. I did not say anything about the Holy Spirit. Now, if you say I blasphemed because I asked you an honest question, then you are the one who is blaspheming. I did not question God, but you. And, last I heard, you are not God.
---Trish on 7/1/12


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trish, after you become saved then you will see and know my point, and also see and know the relevance of The Truthful Scripture I preach, rather than bear false-witness and blaspheme. Do not ask of me any questions until that time that you are truly ready to receive the Truth I answer, rather than dissing.
---Eloy on 7/1/12


Eloy: What is your point? Scripture does say "Adam was not deceived." Your quote just gives context, which is totally irrelevant to the question that was posed.
---Trish on 6/30/12


Adam was not ignorant of his inaction but showed his ignorance by being a silent and willing partner-in-crime.

women lean to evil and men are stupid.

how many times do men not say something to keep the peace? and to get what they get out of the deal?
---aka on 6/30/12


Scripture does not say "Adam was not deceived" in 1 Timothy 2:14, Instead I Tm.2:14 reads, "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." Also the beginning word "AND" to the verse means that there is more foregoing information to this verse, including verses 11 thru 15 which reads: "Let the woman learn in silence with all submission. Moreover I permit not a woman to teach nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Viva. AND Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she will be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and love and holiness and self-control."
---Eloy on 6/30/12


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Adam was not ignorant when he sinned. God spelled it out plain and simple. Do not eat from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It was pretty plainly put to Adam.

I don't believe Eve made the forbidden fruit look like anything other than what it was.

Eve was deceived by the Serpent when he said that she surely wouldn't die if she ate the fruit.

We don't know for certain if Eve had been created before or after God's instructions to Adam about the Tree. Some scholars say she was. Others disagree.
---Trish on 6/30/12


No Sir! Adam entered into sin with his eyes wide open, knowing full well what God had said. He knew better (wasn't deceived)! Eve didn't trick him or else wouldn't the Bible record have to say so?

I believe Adam panicked & , metaphorically speaking, jumped into the water in an attempt to save his beloved Eve & they both drowned. He should've immediately reported the matter to the attention of the "lifeguard", i.e., God.

A very good, thought provoking, question Willie_c. :)
---Leon on 6/30/12


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