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Kathr4453, I just read your comment on the gospel, the gospel was not given to Adam and Eve, they lived under the law the gospel was revealed through Christ the gospel tells of the good news, of Christ.God bless you
---colleen on 7/22/12


colleen, Scripture disagrees with you and so does Genesis. Also so does Hebrews 11. ABEL's SACRIFICE of Blood was faith in teh coming redeemer, pointing to Christ, and is a heir of righteousness (saved by the Gospel,). OT Saints looked forward to the Cross. And their FAITH in the coming redeemer was as important as yours is today.

Abraham too was Saved, as was Sarah. All before Jesus death and resurrection, and even before the Law of Moses.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/12


I don't know what all the fuss is about. we are in the age of grace. you can call whatever you want to call it, but pure and simple,....grace. markv, you have yet to tell me why my schofield bible is bad. It has sustained me for 61 years. It isn't confusing and is the pure truth. If you can't understand it, maybe its because you are spiritual dead. please show me why my bible is bad. I have two schofield bibles but all are king james.
---shira4368 on 7/22/12


Kathr4453, I just read your comment on the gospel, the gospel was not given to Adam and Eve, they lived under the law the gospel was revealed through Christ the gospel tells of the good news, of Christ.God bless you
---colleen on 7/22/12


-"Because what may be known about God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made , even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are not excuse, because althought they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful.." (Rom. 1:19-21).
---Mark_V. on 7/22/12


Absoltely true MarkV, and also PROVES beyond any disputes of the doctrines od man, that there is/was no such thing as TOTAL DEPRAVITY!

That verse PROVES there is no such doctrine as total depravity!
---kathr4453 on 7/22/12


Kathr, you tell me,

"MarkV, I really don't care to discuss this with you any longer."

And you asked more questions. The Scofield "reference" Bible is bad. His commentaries. From Adam all sinned. Those without access to the Law of God (Ex. 20:1-ff) will be judge on their disobedience -"Because what may be known about God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made , even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are not excuse, because althought they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful.." (Rom. 1:19-21).
---Mark_V. on 7/22/12




For Gentiles who never had the opportunity to know God moral law will be judged on their disobedience in relationship to their limited knowledge "because what may be known of of God is manifested in them." (Rom. 1:19-27).
---Mark_V. on 7/22/12

You've contradicted yourself all in one breath...
Yes this is called the moral law of CONSCIENCE. Also known as a dispensation of time where they will be judged according to what was revealed to them at that time. They knew right from wrong, and the Gospel was also known.

TODAY we have so much MORE and will be judged on what we know now. Called ..another dispensation of TIME.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/12


Yes Blogger this is exactly what Paul explained to us in Romans 5. In this particular passage of Scripture, I believe Paul is in fact giving us these different dispensations of accountability. From Adam to Moses, there was no LAW pointing to sin. If there was a LAW then THE LAW would have required Cain's death for murdering his brother. That's what THE LAW required. God could not kill Cain for murder for that very reason.

And Adam and Eve after they died spiritually ( sepatation from God, were immediately covered in animal skins. Abel sacrificed. They lived BY FAITH, not by WORKS. Hebrews 11 shows FAITH in the GOSPEL from the very beginning.

The Gospel was not FIRST given to Israel MarkV, but to Adam /Eve.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/12


Blogger96, God is the Law. What He commands is always law. Adam disobeyed he sinned. You said:

"It seems pretty clear from scripture. "Sin" was not imputed to men until the law came. So all those from Adam to the time of Moses died a physical death but were not condemned spiritually."
Again wrong.

"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned" (Rom. 5:12).
For Gentiles who never had the opportunity to know God moral law will be judged on their disobedience in relationship to their limited knowledge "because what may be known of of God is manifested in them." (Rom. 1:19-27).
---Mark_V. on 7/22/12


I don't condemn dispensationalist, I just do not believe in their futurist view invented by the Jesuit Francisco Ribera from the RCC. It is not in the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/12


Well I don't believe teh RCC's version either. However, Scofield doesn't either, yet a dispensationalist. So why then did you tell Shira to get rid of her Scofield KJV Bible? It was because Scofield teaches dispensationalism. BUT NOT the RCC's peveerted version made up by Ribera. Ribera did not teach Revelation was FUTURE either. He like yourself was a Calvinist who believes Revelation is over, passed and was only a spiritual concept, not an actual literal FUTURE one to come.

So in fact YOU DO believe as Ribera does.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/12


It seems pretty clear from scripture. "Sin" was not imputed to men until the law came. So all those from Adam to the time of Moses died a physical death but were not condemned spiritually.

Everyone from Moses to Christs dead was under the law. One set of laws as a moral code, one set directing us how to make atonement for when we broke the moral code. NONE of the old testament patriarchs were "under grace". They were all shut up to that faith which should come later on! Its scriptural! They all made animal sacrifices according to the sacrificial law because they were not cleansed by the blood of Christ yet! Even Jesus told men to make sacrifices according to the law of Moses before He was crucified.
---Blogger9680 on 7/21/12




From Adam to Moses God did not even imput sin to man,
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12

I think that you may have missunderstood that texts

Romans 5:13-14
Consider that these verses in you bible are in parenthesis and also consider these verses:

Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, SIN lieth at the door.

Genesis 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and SINNERS before the LORD
exceedingly

each was punished for his sin
---francis on 7/21/12


You mean men today are as Adam & Eve were BEFORE they sinned?

What were Adam & Eve under before they sinned?

MarkV, I really don't care to discuss this with you any longer.

It's useless!
---kathr4453 on 7/21/12


Kathr, you said again,

"that YOU yourself actually TEACH that in the dispensation of Adam and Eve, they were under a law of WORKS of which no one today is under a Law of Works."

Kathr, why do you think that those without Christ are condemned? Because they are under the Law of works, whether written in their hearts or written in the letter of the Law. Read (Romans 2:18-32). They fail to keep all the law perfect. One law they break, is as if they broke them all. Only Jesus Christ could keep the whole law perfect for all who have faith in Him. When will you understand?
---Mark_V. on 7/21/12


Hi, Leon (c: > about your comment below on 7/20/12 > Even if there are no airwaves for physical voice to move from one to another, we can speak in the Holy Spirit who carries our words, I would say (c: Words can move through water, too. Surely they can move through the Holy Spirit (c:

The Holy Spirit will be the "air" we breathe . . . we will be breathing love, then!!! (c: This is better than how Paul was "breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord" (in Acts 9:1). So, now we can already be breathing and speaking words in love . . . so that what we say "may impart grace to the hearers." (in Ephesians 4:29) Words that minister grace now would be in the Holy Spirit, I consider.
---willie_c: on 7/20/12


MarkV's goal is to undermine scripture.

He on one hand teaches dispensational stating Adam & Eve were under LAW, a covenent of WORKS, yet we knwo TODAY no such Covenant is in effect.

---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


MarkV, if I could have only one wish here on line , it would be that you can READ ande conprehend what othrs are saying. I never said what you accused me of. I said THIS, ....that YOU yourself actually TEACH that in the dispensation of Adam and Eve, they were under a law of WORKS of which no one today is under a Law of Works.

You are trying so hard to find some fault with my words only to show yourself ignorant of the ability to read and comprehend.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


BUT let's take it one strp further. Incident in Colorado...GOD DID NOT determine, that is MAKE happen that horrible massacure. God is not responsible. This was NOT God's WILL.

Withing the dispensations of time what man does with that responsiblity of what we have been told, WE are accountable to OBEY.

SWo therefore one can actually believe in Dispensations and not believe in Determinism.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


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Kathr, just to correct you again, I never said dispensationalist are heretics. ------Mark_V. on 7/20/12

Oh maybe you didn't use the word heretic, but all anyone has to do is read the "1st Corinthians 9:22 "blog to see exactly how you feel about Dispensationalists WHO are in fact Fururists.

Even Shira was shocked when you told her to get rid of her KJV Scofield Bible because Scofield is a dispensationalist AKA Futurist.

Again MarkV, if you could read for one, and BE CONSISTANT for another, 100% of all these altercations would not exist.

This IS the personality of a pathological liar. It's a sickness and you need help.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


My last reply was for Linda, not for Kathr, but she can use it too if she wants.

Kathr tells us that Adam and Eve were not under the law of God. Now that is a serious matter since God gave him a command, and he disobeyed. By disobeying he broke the law and sinned. What is sin? But the breaking of the law of God. God's law expresses His own righteousness and is the ultimate standard for our behavior. Sin is a lack of conformity. It is nonconformity to the law of God. Sin of omission is a failure to do what God commands. If God commands us to love our neighbor and we fail to do so, we sin. When we walk where we are not permitted to walk we trespass, we walk where we are not permitted to walk that is also sin.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/12


Gee! The air is really bad (rotten egg foul) on this blog. I regret asking the question.

Just a thought: Without air, there wouldn't be "airwaves". No airwaves, no sound (speech sound, instrumental sound...). Just a thought! :)
---Leon on 7/20/12


Kathr, just to correct you again, I never said dispensationalist are heretics. You are a heretic, not because you are a dispensationalist, but because you profess a heresy. Heretic is a church member who hold beliefs opposed to church beliefs. Just look at your last response when you said that Adam did not break the law of God. That is a heresy. When God commands something and you disobey, you are breaking the law of God. I don't condemn dispensationalist, I just do not believe in their futurist view invented by the Jesuit Francisco Ribera from the RCC. It is not in the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/12


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MarkV, what makes you think you are the only one who has THE TRUTH. I also share TRUTH here as well.

So stop exalting yourself as though YOU alone were THE TRUTH.

Get off your high horse and get out of your ivory tower. You are no better than any one else in the Body of Christ who has been given a LITTLE Glimpse of truth to share.

Stop telling people because they disagree with YOU how we don't know THE TRUTH at all or we are in bondage to sin or what ever crap you throw out there to try and hurt others. THAT is not TRUTH, that is a spoiled rotten child who can't always get his way.

Try telling Dr. Stanley he's in bondage to SIN because he too disagrees with you. I dare you!
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


Actually it was I who asked you, Mark.

"If they share with me what God has revealed to them"

You don't listen when we do because you're scared you could be very wrong. I at one time believed in what you do. I was set free from it. We are simply trying to help you escape also. God is not a tyrant. He is love

How many people does God need to use to get through to you?
---LindaH on 7/20/12


Kathr, you asked me,

"So what is your GOAL, MarkV? Please do tell us."

My goal is to share the Truth with others who love to hear about the Truth. If they share with me what God has revealed to them, I also will share with them what God has revealed to me. You might not believe the Truth but so many others will and will examine what I say with the Word of God. And my goal is not to make stories up but to explain my point and give Scripture with the context concerning the passages. I hope I helped you. If not, you missed out.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/12


You are a dispensationalist, and believe in dispensations, and know that God already knows the end times. "How can He know them if they were not determined already by God?" ---Mark_V. on 7/20/12
>So in some peculiar part of your thinking you suggest a dispensationalist KNOWS that God already knows the end times, yet curse that very thought that a dispensationalist is a heretic?

If in fact a dispensationalist knows and understands the dispensations even to the end AND what God has for-ordained to happen in the LAST Despensation of TIME, then with your understanding a dispensationalist is someone who actually believes in determinism..correct.

So, what then is your argument? Arguing for the sake of arguing?
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


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MarkV's goal is to undermine scripture.

He on one hand teaches dispensational stating Adam & Eve were under LAW, a covenent of WORKS, yet we knwo TODAY no such Covenant is in effect.

From Adam to Moses God did not even imput sin to man, certainly a dispensation of accountability unlike today, where OUR accountability is WE KNOW what sin is, and we today are Saved by Jesus death and resurrection. We live AFTER the Cross, certainly a different dispensation than those of Abel and Cain.

Is it just ignorance? Or is it just evil?

Only God knows for sure!
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


So what is your GOAL, MarkV?

Please do tell us.
---LindaH on 7/20/12


Kathr, you know nothing about the God of the Bible. That's why you speak against God. No one mentioned determination. Look at the logic of the guy Harvey you quoted,
" In this view, the universe is a conglomerate of causes and effects. How such began is never explained." he cannot explain what he is talking about.
You are a dispensationalist, and believe in dispensations, and know that God already knows the end times. "How can He know them if they were not determined already by God?" Is He taking a chance by gambling they will or hoping He is right?
Kathr, they are determined already. Even your rejection of His Word was determined already. Even your death. And when and what time it will happen.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/12


Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in him:


I wonder why Elder, our Resident Dispensationalist/ Teacher of Revelation says NOTHING to your Mocking God MarkV.

He's more econcerned about anyone correcting YOU.

Another worshipper at your feet MarkV, another follower of yours you won to your side.

You must really be stoked!
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


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MarkV, don't flatter yourself, no one is obsessed with you. I think we are just obsessed with TRUTH. You just seem to be the fore-runner here who has brought so much heresy on line, spending night and day posting on almost every single blog it's just hard to avoid you here.

Maybe i'll take Elders que and just post on the non essentials and make jokes now and again with my head in the sand, occasionally taking a cheap shot at eloy like so many here are doing.

Yes, that way I can stay POPULAR with everyone. It's all about being popular with everyone isn't it.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


Are we speaking of imaginary causes and imaginary effects, or real ones?
---Smitty on 7/19/12


Kathr, you forgot to add "dispensationalism" to your list. You say they should be avoided and you admit you are one. Seems you are contradicting your own believes. I know I am writing this in English and if Linda cannot understand English I will write in Spanish.

And Linda, she is not wasting her time. You and her have a purpose here. Just like everyone does. Kathr to bash me whenever she can because she is obessed with me, and you to support her obession with me, and I'm here to bring the Truth. We have two different purposes because we have two different goals.
---Mark_V. on 7/19/12


Kathr, youre wasting your time. I honestly think he needs someone who speaks his language to explain it to him. He doesnt seem to grasp English very well.
---LindaH on 7/19/12


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A general definition of determinism contends that: All events whatsoever are to be understood as the necessary outcome of certain causes and so may be regarded as instances of laws (Harvey, 1964, 69). In this view, the universe is a conglomerate of causes and effects. How such began is never explained. Snow melts at a certain temperature, leaves fall to the earth, and objects grow older with the passing of time. Similarly, according to atheist Bertrand Russell, human beings, as strictly material objects, yield to causes over which they have no control (1957, 48ff). Hence there is no such thing as free willsupposedly!

OH BUT IS MAN A MATERIAL OBJECT?.

This is philosophy and vein deceit. This again is GNOSTICISM to the core.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/12


Calvinists argues: if a man gets drunk and shoots his family, it was the will of God that he should do it (Clark, 1961, 221).

Can there even be any wrong, if there is no free will? How can God possibly condemn human beings for evil if he himself determines the choices they make? This ideology makes no sense.
There are serious problems with the dogma of theistic determination, i.e., the notion that God orchestrates the choices we humans make The biblical affirmation of the goodness of God for one.(Romans 2:4). God is a being of absolute holiness (Isaiah 6:3, Revelation 4:8), thus he is too pure to tolerate evil (Habakkuk 1:13). Any dogma, therefore, that casts a reflection upon the goodness of the Creator is corrupt.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/12


Kathr, but there is no free will, just looks at yours, "your will is in bondage to sin." And no one has a gun to your head you have a choice. You willing do what you desire. Your will is not free at all. you are a slave to sin every day. No one is making you. You know the Truth, yet you desire sin every day.
---Mark_V. on 7/19/12


The fact is, man as a WILL.The Bible is very clear on that. However to take it out of context and say free will or no free will is not even discussed in scripture.

It is a bogus man made doctrine to promote a doctrine called determinism.

Paul NEVER taught on such an issue, nor did Jesus or God or OT Prophets or anyone.

Is't just another group majoring in made up man made doctrines to take you away from the ONLY ISSUE that matters.

REPENT and Believe on theLord Jesus ans thou shall be saved.

And Those who believe God raised Jesus from the dead Shall be saved.

Our choices are made out of our WILL...PERIOD!
---kathr4453 on 7/19/12


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Here's a rule of thumb that will always keep you out of trouble.

It's easy to remember.

ISM's cause schisms
And Movements will pass
But the Word of the Lord will last FOREVER.

Anything that ends in ISM is and should be avoided completely.

CalvinISM
CatholicISM
MormonISM
DeterminISM


you get the picture.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/12


Yes, the Bible says, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13) Just before this it says "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling".

Also, it says, "And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body, and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15) So, if we are choosing to obey God, and working out our "own" salvation, this includes how we are choosing to obey how God rules us in our hearts with His own peace.
---willie_c: on 7/19/12


I want to say that the Lord causes us to make right choices in life, but it still comes down to our choice. The Lord gives us free opportunity to choose Him or to choose something else.
---tweety_bird on 7/19/12


Kathr,
The connection between our wills and our hearts is so close. The issues of life proceed from what we treasure in our hearts.

Evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies, name-calling contentions, strifes...
It influences our decisions, controls our thought-life, hardens us to truth.

In all Israel's history, could not at least one of them "will" to serve God "freely"? With all they were given, could not choose with "free will" the righteousness of God? Could not at least one among them freely choose to not sin?

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
---Phil on 7/19/12


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MarkV, OH but there is,

Romans 12:1-2

To present YOURSELF a living sacrifice unto God.

ALL of Yourself, MIND, BODY, Heart, soul..every fiber of your being.

Then as Christians God works in us TO WILL First, and tnhe to DO of His Good Pleasure.

If we had no will, how can God first work in us "TO WILL" in order to be able "TO DO" of His Good pleasure.

It doesn't just say "to do" of His Good pleasure does it.

Are we then given a WILL after salvation? NO, we had one all along. Our WILL is our conscience. AKA Heart mind and soul!

Romans 6 SAME principle.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/12


Kathr, you say to me as if it was true,

But you have to surrender your FREE WILL for that to happen"

There is no such passage in Scripture, only in your mind. You know why? Because I have never had free will, second, because God never said I had free will, third, because no one does but God. So again you are wrong. You believe in your heart you surrendered something you never had, that tells me you had to do your own works in order to be saved. Some great works you believe you have.
---Mark_V. on 7/19/12


I should say, you should OBEY RECKON it a fact and obey that fact that you are Crucified with Christ and should atleast STOP LYING as proof that you have.

TYR AGAIN MarkV, TRY obeying that truth!

But you have to surrender your FREE WILL for that to happen! It's doesn't JUST HAPPEN. You must DIE DAILY as Paul said! That is something YOU have to do each day, making a conscience effort to OBEY that truth.

I DIE DAILY!
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


Kathr, there you go again accusing. Another day goes by and nothing has change in you. Here is what you said to me,

"Might want to try being crucified with Christ, where your old man who continually lies will die to that sin."

Is that was you did? You tried being crucified with Christ? And you believe because you tried you were? Nonsense. No one tries, they either are, are they are not. Being crucified with Christ is done by God through the Spirit. You are still trying to work your way into the kingdom, you must be born again by the Spirit, it is a work of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12


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MarkV, will you just STOP and stop making false accusations. I have done no such thing.

How exactly does one attack the himanity of Christ anyway?

I believe in teh Beginnign was teh WORD, and the WORD was with God and teh WORD was God and the WORD WAS MADE FLESH who dwelt among us filled with GRACE and truth.

I believe Christ came in the Flesh to Die and shed His blood for the sin of ALL man.

Scriupture does not say the Son was made flesh!
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


MarkV, you mean you believe as Mormons that Jesus was a human from the beginning who re-appeared again in His humanity?

No where does scripture say "THE ETERNAL SON was made flesh"

When Jesu said, before Abraham was I AM...I AM IS GOD markv, not some eternal Son you invented.

I AM that I AM is GOD's NAME!!!

There was no HUMAN "I AM" in the OT or in Eternity Past.
YOU MarkV are a heretic.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


Kathr, you on the other hand attack both His humanity and His divinity. You said He was "not the eternal Son of God," that is attacking His divinity. You also said that Jesus Christ in His humanity became the begotten Son of God, when He was born.
Now you give a passage where Jesus Christ Himself says,

"Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am" (John 8:58).

Indicating that Jesus declared Himself to be the Lord of the Old Testament, the reason why they wanted to stone Him. So you have attacked both natures.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/12


Phil, that's not what I said. Are you suggesting Jesus is NOT GOD made flesh?

MarkV seemed to want to separate Jesus humanity form His divinity by stating man attacked His humanity. Man attacked GOD in the flesh, that's all.

And that has nothing to do with the nonsense you conjured up out of my statement.

Do you also deny that Christ is in us, and our warfare is spiritual not carnal?

And you think satan attacks the spirit of man,that re-birthed old adam spirit that markv says died and was rebirthed at his regeneration called re-incarnation?

Christ in me doesn't make me a God Phil, it makes me a member of HIS BODY!

God said Himself, I will put MY SPIRIT in you, Nothing about reviving my old man spirit.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12


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Kathr, I do not expect you to believe in the Truth ---as I said at the end of my answer, heretics always attack His humanity, as you just did.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/12


MarkV They attacked His DEITY. Jesus stated to them ,"Before Abraham was I AM," then they attacked His DEITY. The whole issue was they attacked His Deity.

I have never attacked the Deity of Christ.

John teh Baptist stated, Behold the LAMB of God which takes away the sin of the world= DEITY!

Jesus preached "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me....."attesting to HIS DEITY.

So please lets agree to disagree without slinging MUD and making false accusations!

Heretics never acknowledge His DEITY!
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12


Oh an Phil. John 17...I in them and thou in me that we all may be ONE...

Colossians 3...Hidden WITH GOD IN CHRIST, sealed in the Holy Spirit. Did you not know we are indwelt by the Triune God? Unless of coarse you believe God is Three individual persons?


Quoting from Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23 says, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." Jesus was "God with us" when He walked upon this earth. He wasn't merely "God's chosen one with us" or "God's Son with us." As I Timothy 3:16 states, "God was manifest in the flesh."
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12


kathr4453 "Jesus on the other hand was was 100% human and 100% God."

Just a quick question,

1Jn 3:2 when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is

2C 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory,

Ro 8:29 . For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son.

Jesus Christ, the Image of God = 100% God
Image of Christ (us) = 100% Christ.

According to your reasoning, are we going to become Gods and Christs?
---Phil on 7/17/12


Kathr, I do not expect you to believe in the Truth so I can see why you object, especially on the subject of Jesus Christ, just as you have before. Also just as I said at the end of my answer, heretics always attack His humanity, as you just did.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/12


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Jesus on the other hand was was 100% human and 100% God. The only One with two natures. A human nature and a divine nature. When He spoke during His ministry, He was mainly speaking from His human nature. --Mark_V. on 7/11/12

I totally disagee here. You make Jesus 1/2 human and 1/2 divine, and say the 1/2 human part of Him is what He used to speak to man.

Jesus was the EXPRESS IMAGE O GOD, that is every word that came out of His mouth was GOD BREATHED. My Words are Spirit and my Words are LIFE.

They didn't attach His Humanity, they attacked His Divine Nature, clothed in a human body.

They insulted the Spirit of GRACE that was in Him.

Even we don't fight against flesh and blood, but powers and principalities!
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12


Mark_V. on 7/11/12
these are what is called "anthropomorphisms" instances in which God is referred to as if He were a man.

Thank you Mark V, metaphor was lacking in description. You did me well.
---Phil on 7/11/12


Phil, I completely agree with your answers. God is spirit and not a man with human parts. Whenever Scripture speaks of hands, or arms, or eyes of God, these are what is called "anthropomorphisms" instances in which God is referred to as if He were a man. "God is not a man, that He should lie, neither the son of man, that He should repent" (Num. 23:19).
Jesus on the other hand was was 100% human and 100% God. The only One with two natures. A human nature and a divine nature. When He spoke during His ministry, He was mainly speaking from His human nature.
When heretics want to attack Jesus deity, they begin by attacking His human nature.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/12


So then, what do you think Jesus (the SON OF GOD, being 100% GOD IN THE FLESH himself) meant in Luke 22:16?
---Leon on 7/9/12


God the Father is not a man, He is Spirit. Jesus was referring to Jesus.

Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

the bible is full of juxtaposition.
---aka on 7/9/12


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"God the Father is not a man, He is Spirit. He has no body. His Son has a body...Body parts & human activity like breathing is metaphorical...... being in the form of man? His Son has this glory alone...---Phil

i totally agree with this. He put His glory in terms that we can comprehend & value. For God is spirit & then could not participate in the feast He has prepared.[?]..."

---aka on 7/8/12


So then, what do you think Jesus (the SON OF GOD, being 100% GOD IN THE FLESH himself) meant in Luke 22:16?
---Leon on 7/9/12


God the Father is not a man, He is Spirit. He has no body. His Son has a body. He used certain terms in His word for our understanding, to aid us in seeking Him. Sometimes He uses figures and similes. Body parts and human activity like breathing is metaphorical, He is everything, breath, life, love, all things are out of Him. But being in the form of man? His Son has this glory alone...---Phil

i totally agree with this. He put His glory in terms that we can comprehend and value. For God is spirit and then could not participate in the feast He has prepared. There are things going to happen that we cannot comprehend in our own understanding.

//He who laughs last, laughs the best! (Ps. 2:4-5 & 37:12-13)//

context leon.
---aka on 7/8/12


God the Father is not a man, He is Spirit. He has no body. His Son has a body. He used certain terms in His word for our understanding, to aid us in seeking Him. Sometimes He uses figures and similes. Body parts and human activity like breathing is metaphorical, He is everything, breath, life, love, all things are out of Him. But being in the form of man? His Son has this glory alone. 2C 5:18 And all things [are] of God,
---Phil on 7/8/12


"Do heavenly beings, i.e., humans, angels, etc., breathe air in heaven?"
Of course. It takes breath to form words. Even the Father breathes.
"By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth."
Psa 33:6
"The LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life,Gen 2:7
"The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life." Job 33:4
After the resurrection of Jesus "He breathed on [His disciples], and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
---josef on 7/7/12


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"//Please don't accuse me of ridiculing your religion, y'all doing a fine job without my help.// ---atheist on 7/6/12

now, that is funny and valid."
---aka on 7/6/12


He who laughs last, laughs the best! (Psalms 2:4-5 & 37:12-13)
---Leon on 7/8/12


1C 15:52-53 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed, For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. The highest mountain climb will show you how necessary oxygen is. Even planes flying in the upper atmosphere must pump in oxygen or the passengers will perish. When we are changed at the last trump, we will be immortals, no longer connected to earth's elements. We will be like Him. Our life will not depend on the sun or oxygen or any other element because He will be our life, as He is a life-giving spirit. 1C 15:45
---Phil on 7/7/12


//Please don't accuse me of ridiculing your religion, y'all doing a fine job without my help.// ---atheist on 7/6/12

now, that is funny and valid.
---aka on 7/6/12


This indeed is a question to ponder. But let me step it up one notch, combining with the restroom question.


Does the god you believe in provide air fresheners in the bathrooms in heaven?

Please don't accuse me of ridiculing your religion, y'all doing a fine job without my help.
---atheist on 7/6/12


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Is that Leon that keeps asking all these nutty questions about breathing air in heaven and taking a dump in heaven? Has he recently gone off the deepend or something or has he always been this off the wall?
---Jed on 7/6/12


Leon, How different is that from "Dah...can humans breathe air in heaven?" or "is the moon really made of cheese?"
---1st_cliff on 7/6/12


Leon it is true, you and I are on very different wavelengths. But that's okay, we're both having fun anyway. :)
---Catholicus on 7/5/12


We all must enjoy the atmosphere of hot air around here or we wouldn't stick around, would we.
---Catholicus on 7/3/12

Another goofy Leonism!
Our "air' is nitrogen,oxygen,argon and trace gasses and thins out with elevation ending about 62 miles.
Oxygen is produced by vegetation and without it we would all die!
There's no known "air' outside our planet.
Except of course the "hot air" on these blogs!
---1st_cliff on 7/3/12


I take both of your immature responses to mean "DUH, I DUNNO!" since neither of you can possibly think on that level. :)
---Leon on 7/5/12


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We all must enjoy the atmosphere of hot air around here or we wouldn't stick around, would we.
---Catholicus on 7/3/12


Another goofy Leonism!
Our "air' is nitrogen,oxygen,argon and trace gasses and thins out with elevation ending about 62 miles.
Oxygen is produced by vegetation and without it we would all die!
There's no known "air' outside our planet.
Except of course the "hot air" on these blogs!
---1st_cliff on 7/3/12


Saul was "breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord," we have in Acts 9:1. We will be breathing love (c:

It says "the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." (in Romans 8:21) So, if there is air that we breathe, it will be "in the glorious liberty of the children of God", which I understand means it will be resurrection-glory air (c:
---willie_c: on 7/1/12


what will the Heavenly air be like in the Heavenly restrooms?
---aka on 7/1/12


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