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"Ruben: I am saddened that I hurt the Lord by praying the "Hail Mary" for all those years."
---Trish on 7/17/12

Are you still saddened for all the hurt you did for years to yourself and to others also?
---Nana on 7/18/12


Trish* Ruben: I am saddened that I hurt the Lord by praying the "Hail Mary" for all those years.

Don't be, he was happy for you:

"Hail Mary, full of grace , the Lord is with you(LK 1:28)

" Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.(Jesus) Lk 1:42)

" Holy Mary, the mother of my Lord (LK 1:43)

Mutiple scripture verse about praying for each other!
---Ruben on 7/18/12


\\cluny is so educated with all these fancy words. I am go glad a preacher friend of mine has a phd but he never needs to use these fancy words.\\

Just because you do not know a word does not make it fancy, shira. Besides, it's a daily word among the Orthodox.

In any case, if you don't know the meaning of a word, just ask.

Theotokos means "She who gave birth to God Incarnate."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/18/12


Warwick* Why should she not consider herself blessed but that does not make her other than a faithful woman.

How many non-catholic christians even mention her name? Maybe during Christmas and Easter and even at that some christians don't even celebrate those two Holy Days! Scripture tells us "from now on 'ALL' generation will call me Blessed" how many do that today? Is not about she is blessed it is about we should call her blessed all the time.
---Ruben on 7/18/12


Warwick, I totally agree in what you said. The reason I still answer those who will reject the Word of God. Because if it is Truth, It not only has power, but God's word never returns void, it will accomplish the reason for why it was sent. Ruben might not ever change, but others, whether Catholic or not, can see the Truth through his error. When a Church has final authority, as the Roman Catholic Church does, they can change anything they want, and the members, who put their faith in the Church and not in God's Words, will accept it as truth even if none of it is Truth.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12




cluny is so educated with all these fancy words. I am go glad a preacher friend of mine has a phd but he never needs to use these fancy words. my pastor also has a phd and I don't think he knows any fancy words...oh he knows salvation, trinity, saved, born again, holy life....all the fancy words like that.
---shira4368 on 7/18/12


Ruben: I am saddened that I hurt the Lord by praying the "Hail Mary" for all those years. Scripture plainly says there is one intercessor between God and man. Jesus. Mary died, and is in her eternal home. She can't intercede for anyone. There is no Scripture that says she can now that she is dead.
---Trish on 7/17/12


Ruben, you interpret (James 5:16) the same way the Catholics do, Wrong. You said to me,

" Jmaes 5:16 says The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." Do you agree that those already with God more righteous than say me or you?

That is not what the passage is saying. Confessing trespasses to one another is not praying. It is forgiving your brother for what he has done to you and vice-versa. Prayers to God are another thing all together. The prayers of the faith (believers) will save the sick and the Lord will raise him up, and if he committed any sins, God will forgive him.
All of the save are righteous. But not in the RCC, they have to do a lot of works to gain righteousness.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/12


\\Why because she was praising God for what He had done for her and other sinners.\\

Sounds to me like she was praising God for choosing her to be the Theotokos.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/12


Ruben I do not get your point regarding what Mary said "My spirit rejoices in God my savior."(Lk 1:47) Why?? Why because she was praising God for what He had done for her and other sinners.

Why should she not consider herself blessed but that does not make her other than a faithful woman.

I cannot imagine how 1 Timothy ch.2 says anything which supports your belief. What is your point in mentioning this?
---Warwick on 7/17/12




Mark, what Ruben does with the truth is his business. If he wishes to remain faithful to a man-made institution that is his choice. However others need to know of the deceit of this oppressive organization.

Some time ago I preached in a certain church and an antiChristian atheistic activist was there working to undermine the faith of others. He has since written to me saying my message lead to his salvation. He is now a youth pastor in a large Christian church. God's truth has a power of its own, way beyond the skill of any human presenter.
---Warwick on 7/17/12


Ruben: Wow!!! Have you ever twisted Scripture! You know that Satan twisted Scripture when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness. You've just done the exact same thing.

Biblical Truth: Mary was a sinner and needed a savior.

Biblical Truth: She did not stay a virgin. She had other children after Jesus.

Biblical Truth: It's a sin to pray to her. She is no more a saint than I am. We have ONE Mediator, and that is Jesus.

Oh, and, the Catholic church is NOT my home. My home is A Church of Living Hope in Langhorne, PA. There, I am loved and taught the Word of God. I am also prayed for, and taken care of when I am sick. Nobody in my family ever got that in my 17 years as a Catholic.
---Trish on 7/17/12


Trish* Ruben, tell me where in God's Word it says that Mary is speaking of temporal salvation vs. eternal? I have never heard such foolishness.

Here are two of many examples of 'temporal salvation'

Exo 14:13-14 And Moses said to the people, "Fear not, stand firm, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will work for you today,

Matthew 8:23-25 "And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish.

And even Mary's Magnificat:

"And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation."

"He hath filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he hath sent empty away."

How foolish is that?
---Ruben on 7/17/12


Trish* Mary was a sinner, just like you and me. She needed a savior just like you and me. Sure, she is blessed. So am I. I know plenty of believers who are blessed. God blesses us everyday in so many ways, I can't begin to count them.

The big difference between you and others about being bless is that scripture says " behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. In other words she is Blessed Virgin Mary!

Trish* I was raised in the Catholic church, went to Catholic school for three years, and had my First Communion and Confirmation. I left in high school, and haven't looked back.

Maybe you need to turn back and come home:)
---Ruben on 7/17/12


Mark_V.* "...He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne"
And since they don't believe the believers are saints, only those who went beyond the call of duty are saints, and ask for prayers to the saints.

Read the verse very slowly, these saints are in the presense of God Almighty, and remember what Jmaes 5:16 says The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." Do you agree that those already with God more righteous than say me or you?

Mark * And since Scripture is not final authority they can do what they want.

So you agree finally that scripture is not the final authorithy..
---Ruben on 7/17/12


\\Ruben, tell me where in God's Word it says that Mary is speaking of temporal salvation vs. eternal?\\

And where does the Bible say she was NOT so speaking, Trish? Works both ways.

Actually, in Jewish thought, even until today, one is saved and redeemed by being part of the saved, redeemed people, NOT because of one's personal relationship with YHVH. One is not even saved from sin.

You are projecting American evangelical ideas on a 1st century Jewish maiden, Trish.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/12


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"Mary is speaking about her temporal salvation not her eternal reward." Ruben

Ruben, tell me where in God's Word it says that Mary is speaking of temporal salvation vs. eternal? I have studied the Bible for 35 years, and have been in Bible preaching churches for that long, and I have never heard such foolishness.

Mary was a sinner, just like you and me. She needed a savior just like you and me. Sure, she is blessed. So am I. I know plenty of believers who are blessed. God blesses us everyday in so many ways, I can't begin to count them.

I was raised in the Catholic church, went to Catholic school for three years, and had my First Communion and Confirmation. I left in high school, and haven't looked back.
---Trish on 7/16/12


Warwick, I don't believe anyone here will convince Ruben of anything. He is so convinced that Mary is now our Mediator. In the RCC website concerning worshipping the saints and Mary, they justify their worship of their saints by giving (Rev. 8:3).
"...He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne"
And since they don't believe the believers are saints, only those who went beyond the call of duty are saints, they are allowed to worship and ask for prayers to the saints. First they had to change the definition of what a saint was called in Scripture. And since Scripture is not final authority they can do what they want.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/12


Warwick * Ruben, Mary was sinful as Luke 1:47 shows.

Mary says "My spirit rejoices in God my savior."(Lk 1:47) Why??

First " For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed,"

Second " for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name."

Mary is speaking about her temporal salvation not her eternal reward.

Warwick *"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 1 Timothy 2:5.

Prior to that Paul says "first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks,..For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour,"
---Ruben on 7/16/12


Warwick, I oppose Steven when he condemns all denominations only because there is believers in them. But denominations were never meant to be. When the RCC was formed they had many different churches join together to make one big Church. They begin the denominations. Now Baptist, Pentacostals, SDA's etc, are all churches united together as the RCC did. The Churches in primitive times were independent bodies, none of them subject to the jurisdiction of any other. The churches which were founded by the Apostles themselves frequently had the honor shown them to be consulted in doubful cases, yet they had no judicial authority, no control, no power of giving laws. Christian Churches had equal rights and were in all respects on a footing equally.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12


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Mark cannot a denomination have nonBiblical beliefs but still be protestant? Can a protestant denomination be also evangelical or fundamentalist?

I am not, of course, defending nonBiblical beliefs, as I am sure you know.

One major denomination here changed from believing Genesis as written some years ago and now believe Scripture should be interpreted via current 'scientific' beliefs. But what happens when 'scientific' opinion changes, as it does? Do they then admit they were wrong and reinterpret it again? They have strayed from God's word and are sliding down the 'slippery slope' to liberalism, and irrelevancy. And they call themselves evangelical!
---Warwick on 7/15/12


Peter, thanks for your comments. The church I attend is definitely both protestant, and evangelical. We definitely follow the Bible as written, being neither liberal, or theistic-evolutionists etc.
---Warwick on 7/15/12


Warwick, great answers you gave Ruben concerning Mary. She was blessed but not to be worshipped.
Concerning protestants, you are also right the way they beginned, but it is not that way anymore, a lot of protestant churches have change much of their believes to where we now have different baptist, lutherans, and even now have Pentacostals of many kinds. For a long time after I was saved I believed that all Baptist taught the same, but found out different. Through time denominations are now mixed, even the RCC have different sects. But history tells us that the Baptist and a few other churches were groups that never joined together with the RCC. In fact they were persecuted through history not only by the RCC but by the Reformers.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/12


... I am baptist. evangelicals are many different faiths so is protestant. I won't ever be associated with either one you mentioned because it covers many things I don't believe.
---shira4368 on 7/13/12


Are there not also many sects of the Baptist persuasion as well? Or do they all believe the same things, only different names? Why all the different Conventions and such? Can this remark be taken seriously? Do you honestly believe Baptist's, like Rome, has a monopoly on Truth?

Wow.
---Phil on 7/14/12


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Warwick: On your comment about Protestant....

Where people may draw a difference is when some people refer to anyone who is in a church that left the catholic/orthodox church as a protestant, where an evangelical is only one whose beliefs are specifically taken from the Bible.

The initial protests were both! But now one may reject the Catholic Church, but still have beliefs that disagree with the Bible.

Then that person is a protestant, but not an evangeical
---Peter on 7/14/12


A definition of "protestant: "A member or follower of any of the Western Christian churches that are separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follow the principles of the Reformation, including the Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran churches."

Another similar definition: "The term Protestant is used to refer to any Christian group which developed from the Reformation. Characteristic of most Protestant churches are such dogmas as acceptance of the Bible as the sole source of revelation and authority, justification by faith alone (sola fidei), and the universal priesthood of all believers."

Some here have a different view of what the word means, one I have never heard.
---Warwick on 7/14/12


there is much difference between n evangelical and protestant. I am neither because I am baptist. evangelicals are many different faiths so is protestant. I won't ever be associated with either one you mentioned because it covers many things I don't believe.
---shira4368 on 7/13/12


Ruben, Mary was sinful as Luke 1:47 shows. She was special, chosen to bear the man Jesus. That does not make her God's mother. God is not man born of woman, but eternal Spirit.

Only God is worthy of worship but the RC church encourages Mary worship.

Luke 1:28 "Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!" She was indeed faithful and favoured, but needing salvation.

We do not pray to her "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 1 Timothy 2:5.

We honour Mary, but come to Jesus because: "there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." This is written of Jesus, not Mary.
---Warwick on 7/13/12


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Warwick* But that she should be portayed in such a position, with such glory is heresy.

Scripures gives her glory, why not you?

God send a messenger to say "Hail Mary, full of grace " (LK 1:28)

Elizabeth call her the Mother of my lord (Lk 1:43)

Rev 12:1 describe her with the sun and the moon under her feet and with 12 crowns around the head, before you jump and say that is not Mary, then please tell me who is the Child in v 5?

What heresy is that scripture and Mary said All generation wiil be call blessed(LK 1:48) but you nor Mark ever call her Blessed!


Warwick* Come out of her!

If she was good enough for God/Jesus then you might what to come to her:)
---Ruben on 7/13/12


Cluny, the Black Madonna at Le-Puy-en-Velay has not become black with age. It was made that way. I am sure it is not a racial statement but if any statue was to be placed above the main altar in a Christian church surely it should be that of Christ.

This statue was constructed for worship, by the followers of the cult of Mary, particularly Mary the black virgin. Such heathen things have no place in a Christian church.
---Warwick on 7/12/12


The "Black Madonna" of Czestahowa is so called because the faces have become blacked with age. It was not supposed to be a racial statement, though some have tried to make it so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/12


Warwick, I had never heard of a black madonna, until you mentioned it. I see now there is a black Madonna shrine in the state of Missouri, constructed in 1938 by a polish native of the Franciscan order. She is the lady representing the Virgin Mary.
At first, I didn't know much about the faith, but when I begin to investigate I realized that from the very beginning the RCC went away from the faith. They even change the terminology of Scripture. Saints are now special people who go beyond the call of duty in works, not those who are born of the Spirit. They, the saints take the glory away from Christ. Jesus was replaced from the very beginning in every category.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/12


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Mark, I had no real understanding how far the Roman Catholic Church had fallen until I saw two things in France. Above a town called Malene is a large metal cross. It is hard to describe but is a metal outline of a large cross and standing within it is a statue of Mary!

At Le-Puy-en-Velay above the main altar is a large statue of the black Madonna. That she is portrayed as black is surely not historically correct but does not bother me at all, as we should be couour blind, as God is. But that she should be portayed in such a position, with such glory is heresy. Mary was a human, with no divinity. Jesus is her Saviour, (just as He is for the rest of us),as she has confessed.

Come out of her!
---Warwick on 7/11/12


Ruben, when you get an answer you never believe it. Next year you will ask the same questions, as if you want to know the Truth, but you don't. You don't believe Jesus testifies of the Father. You believe your church testifies of the Father because Christ was replaced as the Head of the Church. Everything the Church says is truth to you even when it is not found in the Word of God. Jesus is the Truth, because He speaks what the Father tells Him, He testifies of the Father. The RCC does not believe that is happening anymore, that Jesus is out of the equation, no more Mediator. They believe that sinful man who run the Church are speaking for the Father. They even replaced Jesus as Mediator with Mary and the saints. They are a fallen church.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/12


Mark_V.* The books of the Bible were passed down to the church who in turned received what was already Truth, they did not make it Truth.

Tell me Mark, how do we accept scripture books that we know were not writen by one of the tweleve apostles, who has the authorithy to make that decision?

Mark V* but people now have freedom from that bondage, and the Spirit can now communicate with individuals through the Word of God.

Are your sure it is the HS you are takling about? If so, why then, did the HS allow so many different interpretation of each indiviuals??
---Ruben on 7/9/12


\\In response to those who wanted to reform their church by translating the word of God, the church ordered all Bibles translated to be burn, and murdered those who translated the Word of God, so they could keep their circle intact.\\

The only time this happened was under Henry VIII, who later ordered a translation of the Bible.

As far as your saying that Roman Catholics think everything the Pope says comes from God, this is likewise false. Papal infallibility applies only under strictly limited and carefully defined conditions.

But I've noticed that truth means nothing when one wants to play Bash the Catholics.

SOLA SCRIPTURA is taught nowhere in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/7/12


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Both Protestantism and Evangelicalism are sects that have formed out of the Roman Church. Luther's great contribution of justification by faith alone opened the door to greater truths to be found in the Scriptures, but few have followed him in that struggle. Though both these movements claim the Bible as the final authority in all matters spiritual, their actual practices and teachings do not align with that confession. They also have members of Christ's Body within them, though the masses of them are apostate, as was prophecied by Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles.
---Phil on 7/7/12


Cluny, I didn't expect you also to jump up and down on sola Scriptura. Sola Scripture is not a doctrine, it is tool use to find the Truth in Scripture by theologians.
The traditions Paul spoke of are part of God's Word. The traditions of the RCC are not part of God's word, but are the words of sinful men. Who wanted to keep the power over everyone. Members were kept in bondage. In response to those who wanted to reform their church by translating the word of God, the church ordered all Bibles translated to be burn, and murdered those who translated the Word of God, so they could keep their circle intact. They knew as soon as the members got a hold of a Bible they too would see that the traditions of the Church were not in the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 7/7/12


\\Through the years, your church has taught their own traditions over what is written in the Word of God. \\

And you have the Traditions of the Church of MarkV.


\\The books of the Bible were passed down to the church who in turned received what was already Truth\\

That is EXACTLY what "tradition" means: what has been passed down and received as Truth, and passed on.

\\ For centuries the Bible was kept secret, this way no one could know the real Truth.\\

I have no idea what you mean by that. Do you? If so, please explain it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/12


Ruben, I don't expect you to jump up and down for sola Scriptura.
You are a Roman Catholic, where your traditions are equal to the Word of God. Where the pope is head of your church and anything he says, is equal to God's Word. Through the years, your church has taught their own traditions over what is written in the Word of God.
The books of the Bible were passed down to the church who in turned received what was already Truth, they did not make it Truth. For centuries the Bible was kept secret, this way no one could know the real Truth. Traditions were added to deceived the members for centuries, but people now have freedom from that bondage, and the Spirit can now communicate with individuals through the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/6/12


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Actually, NOWHERE does the Bible teach either "sola Scriptura" or "Scripture interprets Scripture."

Even in the OT, the Israelites were told to obey the Torah "as taught by the wise."

St. Paul told one Church, "Keep the TRADITIONS which you have been taught, whether by word OR OUR EPISTLE". Only this last phrase can possibly refer to the Bible itself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/12


Barb, you provide no Biblical proof, but simply reject Paul's writings out of hand. 2 Peter 3:15 directly supports Paul "There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures." Predictably you reject this, solely because it destroys your antiBiblical fable.

We must remember Paul has most clearly outlined the true gospel which begins, as it must, with the sin of Adam. And concludes with the death and resurrection of Jesus. For example 1 Corinthians 15:21,22 "For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ will all be made alive."
---Warwick on 7/6/12


Leon people disagree upon Scripture for many reasons. A few points: We have cults perverting Scripture. Denominations which focus on different things, ignoring other truths. Semi, and full blown Biblical liberals who spiritualize much or all of Scripture. Some say Jesus did not rise bodily from the dead. We have nonChristians, wolves in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:15 who teach what they know to be lies so as to confuse. We have those "tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes" Ephesians 4:14. We have those who "accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires," 2 Timothy 4:3. And theistic evolutionists etc.
---Warwick on 7/6/12


Hey Rueben, maybe everyone cannot agree because there are two very different gospels being preached at them. The gospel of the Kingdom which Jesus taught and Paul's gospel that he calls the gospel of christ but contradicts every word that Jesus spoke. Just something to think about...
---barb on 7/6/12

Hi barb,

Would love to hear more on this, like what gospel did Paul teach that contradicts what Jesus said?
---Ruben on 7/6/12


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Hey Rueben, maybe everyone cannot agree because there are two very different gospels being preached at them. The gospel of the Kingdom which Jesus taught and Paul's gospel that he calls the gospel of christ but contradicts every word that Jesus spoke. Just something to think about...
---barb on 7/6/12


Warwick* Mark, that is an excellent, and very relevant point you have made. That Scripture interprets Scripture is a principle which has stood the test of time and stops us from making any verse into a doctrine.

If true then why is it that all who use scripture alone ca not agree on several issue? How does one go about on who is right or wrong? if scripture interprets scripture, then why the differences?

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.'( 2 PT 1:20-21)

But yet those who use scripture alone, do actually what this verse says not to do!
---Ruben on 7/6/12


Mark_V.* Ruben, "sola Scriptura", it picks apart the false traditions of the RCC.

You mean like the books of the bible? You do know that is one of he Catholic Church traditions or do you think the bible fell out of the sky:)


Mark_V.* When Scripture interpret's Scripture, you get the Truth.

Which truths? Yours Warick or maybe Eloy or Kathr?

Where does scripture say eveything has to be in scripture to be true?

Mark_V.* To a person who does not believe the Bible is final authority,

Where does Jesus tell us that the christin faith will be soley based on a book?

Where in the Bible is God's word restricted only to what is written down?
---Ruben on 7/6/12


if an earthly body (such as the Roman Catholic heirachy makes up its own traditions. Warick

Then CC are quilty like Paul, Stephen, Jude and even Jesus!

HEB 2:2 "For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast"

Acts 7:53 "Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it."

But there is no such thing in the Ot that says the Mosiac covenant was given though angels!

Paul writes in 2 Tim 3:8-9 " Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth" Where is this in the OT?

Jude mentions a disputes between Michael and Satan over Moses body v 8-9 and about a prochecy of Enoch v 14-15- both not in Ot

Jesus himself (MT 23:2-3)
---Ruben on 7/6/12


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Nulla Scriptura would work better.
---Catholicus on 7/5/12


Mark, that is an excellent, and very relevant point you have made. That Scripture interprets Scripture is a principle which has stood the test of time and stops us from making any verse into a doctrine. However if an earthly body (such as the Roman Catholic heirachy or the WTS for that that matter) makes up its own traditions, as though they are equal to Scripture, then they are outside of Scripture and obviously cannot be interpreted or substantiated by Scripture. They are therefore dangerous.

I know many Roman Catholics who love and follow the Lord Jesus but their faith always comes with adherence to nonBiblical traditions.
---Warwick on 7/6/12


People use the bible against each other because we understand the Bible differently. We do not use Sola Scriptora against each other because most here agree that the Bible is the final authority in all matters.

When JESUS wanted to show truth he said It is written. A phrase used 63 times in the New Testament.

So on what basis does a group say they can teach doctrines that are opposed by the Bible? How does it become right to go against the law of GOD?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/5/12


Ruben, of course "sola Scriptura" is a big monster for Roman Catholics, it picks apart the false traditions of the RCC. When Scripture interpret's Scripture, you get the Truth. Scripture can not interpret traditions added which are not found in the Bible.
To a person who does not believe the Bible is final authority, sola scriptura finds them guilty of adding or taking away from the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/5/12


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\\Luther knew that the church of Rome was not teaching what the Bible taught, and he wrote about 99 theses to outline to the Roman church what he was protesting. None of them had anything to do with God\\

Trish, have you actually read the 95 (not 99) theses?

If you had, you would know that he was NOT protesting against the Roman Church as such.

In fact, one of them said, "Apostolic pardons [i.e., indulgences] are not to be lightly despised."

Did you know that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/5/12


Luther knew that the church of Rome was not teaching what the Bible taught, and he wrote about 99 theses to outline to the Roman church what he was protesting. None of them had anything to do with God.
---Trish on 7/3/12

Trish,

He then goes out and teaches the biggest monster of all: Sola Scriptura: Which btw many here use against each other:)
---Ruben on 7/5/12


I hope the blog question was adequately answered, because this is rapidly becoming a name-calling blog.

I am proud to call myself a Pentecostal, Full-Gospel, Evangelical, Fundamentalist who does not get involved with political "causes" and is not a boob of the GOP party.

I gave up four things in my life for peace and serenity. I challenge you all to do the same. The four are, politics, news, sports, and coffee. If it were not for my wife, I would gladly give up a fifth, all TV.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/5/12


Poppa, if you think what I say is silly, that's okay. We all have our own ways of viewing things. :)
---Catholicus on 7/4/12


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Catholicus, why are you using your good sense to refute and comment all our nonsense. Seems like a pretty silly way to spend your valuable time. Is this pure entertainment for you? I couldnt imagine going to a site dedicated to UFOs or Big Foot sightings and spending my time reading and responding to their posts. I would feel like I traded in my so called good sense. Perhaps you have a different need by coming here that you dont even realize. I will be keeping a prayer on you friend even if I do think youre a silly fellow.
---Poppa_Bear on 7/4/12


Christians are NOT protestants: Christians are Christ worshippers and obeyers. Christians are also Evangelists, which are Christians who share the gospel: "But watch you in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of your ministry. Go all you into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, whom obeys and is baptized will be saved, but whom not obeys will be condemned. And these signs will follow them that believe: In my Name they will cast out demons, and will speak with new tongues, and will get rid of serpents and if took what lethal it will not harm them, they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover." II Tm.4:5+ Mk.16:15-18.
---Eloy on 7/4/12


Catholicus, everything is the same to you because you are not saved.

Ruben, you said indicating your church is the Church (Matt. 16:16-19),

""And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

I can tell you for a fact that your Church, the RCC is not the Church mentioned in those passages, because the gates of hell have prevailed against it so many times, it is not even funny. Jesus never builded a church with Idols in it to be worshipped, or one that has children raped and molested. And Jesus never stopped been the Head of His Church.
---Mark_V. on 7/4/12


I believe that all christian demoninations are evangelical today. No denomination that I know of forces membership on anyone. They all Evangelize.

That is why I believe that the
entire " Evangelical " movement is political in nature. to give the G.O.P an easy way to identify it's base.

I believe that unbeknown to the members, when a denomination declares that it is evangelical, it is declaring itself t be the base of the G.O.P
---francis on 7/4/12


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Evangelical, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Mormon, Russellite, Muslim -- They're all pretty much the same, getting people to trade their good sense for a non-existent future.
---Catholicus on 7/3/12


There was Tyndale, Wycliffe, and Jan Huns before Luther.

//...that is, the faith of the ruler was the faith of the ruled.//

Sounds like most Evangelical/Protestant churches today.

During Tyndale's time it was illegal to own an english Bible.
---Rod4Him on 7/3/12


Before Martin Luther there were other Protestants. Huss comes to mind. The problem ia that most of them were murdered so they did not get to establish a church before getting burned at the stake.

Protestant does mean they were protesting against the falsness that was set up by the Roman Catholic Church.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/3/12


\\Protestants came from Martin Luther and his protest against the teachings from Rome.\\

Actually, the original meaning of "Protestant" referred to those who protested against the condition of the Peace of Augsburg--"cujus religio, ejus religio", that is, the faith of the ruler was the faith of the ruled.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/3/12


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Ruben, you are twisting things big time.

Protestants came from Martin Luther and his protest against the teachings from Rome. He disagreed with the extra-Biblical teachings that were being forced upon Europe from the Pope and his bishops. None of what Luther was protesting had anything to do with God or Jesus.

Luther knew that the church of Rome was not teaching what the Bible taught, and he wrote about 99 theses to outline to the Roman church what he was protesting. None of them had anything to do with God.
---Trish on 7/3/12


---shira4368 on 7/3/12
i think you have "charismatic" and evangelical confused. What is wrong with dancing for God King David did it. The whole other person being God and touching people that is weird.
---Scott1 on 7/3/12


Protestant is a term used for those christians* who protest some of the teaching of the RCC

Evangelicals is largely a political term. These terms come every 4-6 years based on election cycle, They include such terns as: Moral majority, christian coalition, christian right. This term is used to allow the GOP to identofy it's base
---francis on 7/3/12


Evangelicals propagate the gospel. "Protestant" is a political misnomer for "Christian", given by roman catholic idolaters to mislabel Christians whom are noncatholics. "Protestant" implies a person whom "protests" against roman catholic idolatry.
---Eloy on 7/3/12


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If a person is a protestant, what are they protesting?
---Rod4Him on 7/3/12

Jesus and his Church!

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven" (MT 16:16-19)

"Whoever listens to you listens to me, whoever rejects you rejects me, but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.(LK 10:16)
---Ruben on 7/3/12


If a person is a protestant, what are they protesting?
---Rod4Him on 7/3/12


I am not a catholic neither am I an evangelical. I am baptist. evangelical includes every denomination that is generic. I once went to such a church and the teens were dancing all over the "church". what a disgrace to a heavenly God. One teen was even "jesus" and he was dancing all around touching the people so they would have a touch from God. these generic churches believes anything goes. that is why I identify myself as baptist...independent baptist. at least people know what I believe.
---shira4368 on 7/3/12


All Protestants should be evangelical. All Christians should be living and sharing the Gospel.

What upsets me is that there seems to be a political movemet that calls itself evangelical. Christians need to voite their consicence not a party.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/2/12


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\\Hi, Tanya (c: Protestant can mean anyone who is not Catholic.\\

Or Orthodox.

Or Non-Chalcedonian

Or Assyrian Church of the East.

Or Syro-Malankar of India.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/2/12


Hi, Tanya (c: Protestant can mean anyone who is not Catholic. Evangelical can mean ones who preach the gospel and tell people they need to make their own choice to trust in Jesus for their salvation - - not depend on what parents did when they were babies, and not depend on just acting good and going to church on Sunday. But there are protestants who understand we need the Bible and we must live by all in the Bible and trust Jesus and not depend only on some group's self-favoring ways for our salvation.
---willie_c: on 7/2/12


Protestant - someone of the Baptist, Methodist, Presyb, etc division of Christianity who draw there roots from Martin Luther, Calvin, Wesley, and others.

Evangelical - a christian who actively living out there faith, that shares their faith, that promotes their faith in works and deeds, and stick up for their beliefs.

secular view of evangelical - a group of people who are intolerant, all-knowing SOBs, a political group to be polled, and people who vote republican and watch fox news (just for nurseroberts)
---Scott1 on 7/2/12


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