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What is the difference between Eastern Orthodox churches and the Roman Catholic Church?

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BTW, you seem to be more obsessed with and fixated on the Pope than I am, FoC--or even the average Catholic, for that matter. Why is that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/4/12


Might be he is a few steps away from becoming a Catholic, the Pope and Mary are the last few items that stops some from becoming a Catholic..:)
---Ruben on 9/5/12


\\Cluny: If it weren't for lies, you'd have nothing to say.\\

I can PROVE from EGW's own words about abstaining perpetually from meat that she said it was part of the third angel's message. The Bible already calls it a doctrine of devils.

But you have NOT proven yet from Mithraic documents that the Roman Catholic Church took ANYTHING from Mithraism. Nor have you denied that EGW taught total abstinence from meat.

Who is really lying, jerry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/5/12


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Cluny: If it weren't for lies, you'd have nothing to say. My name really is Jerry. The fact that CN added some numbers to it is irrelevant. You have previously stated that "Cluny" was the name of your cat. Were you lying then too?

Just once, rather than slandering a dead woman, why don't you address the topic? Jesus and ALL His disciples kept the seventh-day Sabbath. Pagan, sun-worshipping gentiles (and later the Popes) kept Sunday. YOU follow after the Popes in this regard - NOT the ORTHODOX teachings of Christ!

Why?

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---jerry6593 on 9/5/12


\\Catholic religion forbids their ministers from marrying and abstains from certain foods during their holidays.\\

An Orthodox priest may be married before ordination. And I'm Orthodox. Don't you get it yet?

There's a difference between periodic abstinence and out right prohibition. EGW taught an outright prohibition.

Even the periodic abstinence from meat that Orthodox observe does NOT apply in all cases, such as the sick or pregnant or nursing mothers. And it's NEVER been an end in itself.

BTW, you seem to be more obsessed with and fixated on the Pope than I am, FoC--or even the average Catholic, for that matter. Why is that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/4/12


1 Tim 4 1-3 calls requiring abstaining from meat to be a "doctrine of devils."

it states: abstain from certain foods

1 Timothy 1 is future prophecy:The Spirit clearly says that in later times

Catholic religion forbids their ministers from marrying and abstains from certain foods during their holidays. (interesting though, they abstain from meat as Cluny wrote). there are no verses that state we can eat unclean foods. Or as the hypocritical liars claim all food is good because God says all is good. When living with lasciviousness ministers teach wrong is right and right is wrong. Gods unclean foods are not bad creations just not meant for human consumption.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/4/12




Unless your surname is a string of digits, jerry, YOU use a false name, too.

I can PROVE what I say about EGW and her false gospel.

You, however, cannot PROVE from Mithraic documents that the Roman Catholic Church borrowed ANYTHING from Mithraism.

And unlike your claim, the pagans NEVER had anything corresponding to the Jewish sabbath.

BTW, do you go to your conventicle on the Sabbath? The Bible actually FORBIDS going outside on the Sabbath. Ex 16:29

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/4/12


I had lunch in Cluny yesterday but different to the other Cluny
it was just as it claimed to be. When a sign pointed to something it was there just as the sign said. No evasion or deceit to be found. Maybe our Cluny needs to visit there!
---Warwick on 9/4/12


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Cluny: If it weren't for lies, you'd have nothing to say. Even the name you use - Cluny - is a lie. You never stick to a topic under discussion, but when cornered with facts, you jump to some (usually hateful) unrelated topic.

Just once, rather than slandering a dead woman, why don't you address the topic? Jesus and ALL His disciples kept the seventh-day Sabbath. Pagan, sun-worshipping gentiles (and later the Popes) kept Sunday. YOU follow after the Popes in this regard - NOT the ORTHODOX teachings of Christ!

Why?

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---jerry6593 on 9/4/12


The SDAs favorite medium and peeping, muttering wizadress, Ellen G. White, said that abstaining from ALL meat was part of the third angel's message--the one carrying the "everlasting gospel."

1 Tim 4 1-3 calls requiring abstaining from meat to be a "doctrine of devils."

Who is right? EGW or the Word of God?

Who is REALLY not teaching what the Apostles taught?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/3/12


\\These religions do not teach what the Lord Jesus and his Apostles taught.\\

No, FOC. YOUR church does that.

No, jerry, the Orthodox Church NEVER taught that Jesus was created, as the early leaders of the SDA church did.

Nor did we ever teach that Jesus BECAME the Christ at the Theophany, like your church does now.

Nor, unlike the SDA, do we teach that Satan takes away our sins.

We get our doctrines right the FIRST time and don't change them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/3/12




it would not matter what either of these religions taught because both are teaching doctrines of devils. These religions do not teach what the Lord Jesus and his Apostles taught. Paul's warning was to teach as exactly as the Lord and the Apostles taught and by teaching anything else that person would be cursed! The true teachings by the Lord are only within the scriptures anything else is a fraud. both of these religions are modern day babylon and adopting of evil heathen practices and traditions God condemned many centuries ago. the Lord asked why do you call me master when you do not obey me.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/3/12


What is the difference between Eastern Orthodox churches and the Roman Catholic Church?

Not much. They both hold to pagan doctrines and reject portions of the Bible. They have different popes, however.


---jerry6593 on 8/31/12


What's wrong with contraception?
---Smitty on 7/19/12


Rethinking what you said, Reuben: No, St. John Chrysostom did NOT make it so regarding the Most Holy Trinity.

He merely taught the truth on this matter.

BTW, people--let this discussion between Reuben and me be a lesson that Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are NOT the same.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/12

Clunny,

And as he did about contraception being evil, along with the other Church Fathers and Holy council. BTW- Which the Orthodox were side by side with the Catholic Church at one time on this issue but since of gone lax on moral issue!!!
---Ruben on 7/19/12


Rethinking what you said, Reuben: No, St. John Chrysostom did NOT make it so regarding the Most Holy Trinity.

He merely taught the truth on this matter.

BTW, people--let this discussion between Reuben and me be a lesson that Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are NOT the same.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/12


\\St John Chrysostom also taught about the Trinity but I guess it does not make it so!
---Ruben on 7/18/12\\

Non sequituur.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/12


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\\But he was against contraception:) In fact this is what he wrote about using of contraceptives:\\

That may well be, and I'm not arguing that.

But just because St. John Chrysostom said that "contraception" and "castration" are synonyms does not make it so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/18/12

St John Chrysostom also taught about the Trinity but I guess it does not make it so!
---Ruben on 7/18/12


\\But he was against contraception:) In fact this is what he wrote about using of contraceptives:\\

That may well be, and I'm not arguing that.

But just because St. John Chrysostom said that "contraception" and "castration" are synonyms does not make it so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/18/12


\\According to St John Chrysostom it mean the same thing:\\

St. John Chrysostom was a great expository preacher, but not a lexicographer.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/18/12

But he was against contraception:) In fact this is what he wrote about using of contraceptives:

Why do you sow where the field is eager to destroy the fruit? Where there are medicines of sterility? Where there is murder before birth?
---Ruben on 7/18/12


\\According to St John Chrysostom it mean the same thing:\\

St. John Chrysostom was a great expository preacher, but not a lexicographer.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/18/12


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Ruben, do you know the difference between castration and contraception?br>
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/12

According to St John Chrysostom it mean the same thing:

"[I]n truth, all men know that they who are under the power of this disease [the sin of covetousness] are wearied even of their fathers old age [wishing him to die so they can inherit], and that which is sweet, and universally desirable, the having of children, they esteem grievous and unwelcome. Many at least with this view have even paid money to be childless, and have mutilated nature, not only killing the newborn, but even acting to prevent their beginning to live." John Chrysostom, Homilies on Matthew 28:5 (A.D. 391).
---Ruben on 7/18/12


Ruben, do you know the difference between castration and contraception?

Apparently you do not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/12


I quoted exactly what you said. If exactly what you said is not exactly what you were saying, then I don't know how we can have a conversation about anything.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/12

Maybe you can tell me why bishop Kallistos change his views:

1963) of The Orthodox Church by Timothy (Kallistos) Ware -(page 302):

Artificial methods of birth control are forbidden in the Orthodox Church.

The second edition, revised 1993 version of The Orthodox Church : page 296

Concerning contraceptives and other forms of birth control, differing opinions exist within the Orthodox Church. In the past birth control was in general strongly condemned....
---Ruben on 7/17/12


since contraception was never officially treated at the Seven Ecumenical Councils, Orthodoxy cannot be said to have changed her mind on it at all.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/12

Really:


"[I]f anyone in sound health has castrated himself, it behooves that such a one, if enrolled among the clergy, should cease [from his ministry], and that from henceforth no such person should be promoted. But, as it is evident that this is said of those who willfully do the thing and presume to castrate themselves, so if any have been made eunuchs by barbarians, or by their masters, and should otherwise be found worthy, such men this canon admits to the clergy." Council of Nicaea I, Canon 1 (A.D. 325).
---Ruben on 7/17/12


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then I don't know how we can have a conversation about anything.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/

We can talk about why Clement of Alexandria was against it

"Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted" Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor of Children 2:10:91:2 (A.D. 191).

Sounds like he talking about Gen 38: 8-10
---Ruben on 7/17/12


\\Are you saying that the Orthodoxy Church officially never change their mind on contraception?
---Ruben on 7/16/12\\

Actually, since contraception was never officially treated at the Seven Ecumenical Councils, Orthodoxy cannot be said to have changed her mind on it at all.

**1) Maybe you knew exactly what I was saying**

I quoted exactly what you said. If exactly what you said is not exactly what you were saying, then I don't know how we can have a conversation about anything.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/12


That's PRECISELY the question Ruben and I are debating. He made the claim that the Orthodox Church allowed for contraception in 1930, apparently influenced by the decision at the Lambeth Confrence 2 years before (they are held in years ending in 8).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/14/12


Let me rephrase what I was trying to say:

1) Maybe you knew exactly what I was saying.

2) Or you miss understood me, which is very likely.

Every church in Christendom condemned contraception until 1930 including yours. Not in 1930 is when your church change it mind, sorry for the wrong message. The fact is they did change their stance on contraception and it is up to you to prove me wrong..
---Ruben on 7/16/12


Please give the date when Orthodoxy officially approved of contraception.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/16/12

Are you saying that the Orthodoxy Church officially never change their mind on contraception?
---Ruben on 7/16/12


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\\Are you really hanging your hat about 1930? I quess you have to! Where can you go:) Does it really matter if it was 1930 or 1940?\\

And are you now hanging your hat on 1940?

Please give the date when Orthodoxy officially approved of contraception.

We'll leave aside your original innuendo that she was affected by the Anglicans on this matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/16/12


Peter* The 'Be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth' is a red herring. 'Be fruitful and multiply' is a command to man in general, not to each person, And 'fill the earth' - we have already done that.

How does someome go about be fruitful and mutiply? By conception and contraception is the opposite!

Peter* So the question of contraception seems to me to be something that remains a problem for the Catholic Church only because it has not got round to changing its view, not because it is wrong.

Whose views: worldy? Why would the Church go against 2,000 years of teaching against contraception?
---Ruben on 7/16/12


Cluny*. He made the claim that the Orthodox Church allowed for contraception in 1930,

Are you really hanging your hat about 1930? I quess you have to! Where can you go:) Does it really matter if it was 1930 or 1940?

Cluny* Therefore it's up to him to prove his statement.

That's all I'm asking him to do.

It is up to you to answer my Question: That's all I am asking!

Did the Othodox Church condemned contraception in the 1st century? If they did(and they did) but I will wait for your answer, then they were following Jesus and the Apostles and their successsors. How could they all of the sudden say that Jesus and the Apostles and the successores were wrong, please tell me?
---Ruben on 7/15/12


Ruben, that's why the RCC has so many problems. Apostolic succession and not Bible alone has cause many problems in your Church.
If the Church had a perticular problem, they would have a council meeting. They would decide what was going to be dogma. Then claim it came from God. Then when the problem got worse, they would create another dogma for their other problem. That happened with every problem they had including with Mary. When the problem was whether she was conceived in sin. So firm was the tradition that Mary was conceived in sin that the only problem for a great medieval saint-scholar like Anselm was how the sinless Christ could be born of a sinner? So another dogma was created.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/12


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The spilling of the seed upon the ground wasn't a matter of contraception but instead an act of disobedience. It was a custom to raise up seed to ones dead brother but Onan refused,so it was also rebellion against the custom too. The Bible says rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. It was a very serious act,obey or re bell,not something to disregard lightly but an act with consequences.
---Darlene_1 on 7/14/12


We, Syrian Christians in India are against abortion. But we support contraception.
---George on 7/15/12


\\Ruben and Cluny: The debate is not WHEN or HOW or WHETHER the Orthodox Church allowed contraception. \\

Wrong.

That's PRECISELY the question Ruben and I are debating. He made the claim that the Orthodox Church allowed for contraception in 1930, apparently influenced by the decision at the Lambeth Confrence 2 years before (they are held in years ending in 8).

Therefore it's up to him to prove his statement.

That's all I'm asking him to do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/14/12


Ruben and Cluny: The debate is not WHEN or HOW or WHETHER the Orthodox Church allowed contraception.

The question is whether it is acceptable.

The question of Onan has never to my ears been suggested to be a general matter of contraception - it was a refusal to benefit his brother.

The 'Be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth' is a red herring. 'Be fruitful and multiply' is a command to man in general, not to each person, And 'fill the earth' - we have already done that.

So the question of contraception seems to me to be something that remains a problem for the Catholic Church only because it has not got round to changing its view, not because it is wrong.
---Peter on 7/14/12


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\\First you ask where in scripture did Jesus condemned contraception and now is asking who in 1930 made the change, that corner must be getting smaller?\\

Actually, most Orthodox bishops spoke out in favor of Humanae vitae, which was released in 1968, so I don't know where you got your 1930 date.

In any case, you did NOT say which Orthodox leader or Church in 1930 approved of birth control. Apparently you cannot.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/13/12


Who was the first Orthodox to suggest this? Can you be specific?

Apparently you know where this as yet unnamed person got the idea from. Can you tell us? Will you tell us?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/13/12

Cluny,

Did the Othodox Church at one time condemned contraception Y or N? In decennial Lambeth Conference, Anglicanism gave permission on a few cases, proir to that all every church in Christendom condemned contraception until 1930 including yours. First you ask where in scripture did Jesus condemned contraception and now is asking who in 1930 made the change, that corner must be getting smaller?
---Ruben on 7/13/12


\\Orthodox Church believe it was wrong from the start until 1930 but then fell to wordly pressure, where do you think that got that idea from?\\

Really? 1930?

Who was the first Orthodox to suggest this? Can you be specific?

Apparently you know where this as yet unnamed person got the idea from. Can you tell us? Will you tell us?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/13/12


Cluny,
* Ruben, YOU were the one who claimed that Jesus forbade contraception.

Cluny,
* Therefore, it's up to YOU to provide the evidence that He in fact did so.

Orthodox Church believe it was wrong from the start until 1930 but then fell to wordly pressure, where do you think that got that idea from?


Cluny,* If you cannot do so, have the grace to admit it.

First of all, knowing Jesus did not have everything written down but told the apostles "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:" He who listen to you listen to me adn who reject you rejects me.You are in a corner and trying to wiggle out:)
---Ruben on 7/13/12


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Cluny*If you cannot do so, have the grace to admit it.

Why don't you have the grace to admit that your Church has abandon the apostolic church teaching against contraception and fell to worldy pressure!

Cluny* This is the same thing I tell anyone here who claims that Jesus (or the Bible) says this or that.

Really, I read many times that you claim it not just scripture alone, are you now believing in scripture alone? Belonging to the Church that Jesus establish we are not afraid to say Jesus or the Bible taught this ot that, why are you? BTW Jesus 'DID' say in scripture and the Early Church Fathers confirm that Jesus built his Church on the Rock of Peter and gave him only the keys but you diagree:)
---Ruben on 7/13/12


Ruben, the story of Onan is condemning neither birth control nor masturbation (as has been claimed in the past).

Rather, Onan was using the widowed Tamar for his own selfish sexual pleasure.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/12

Cluny,

" spilled his seed upon the ground, And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing"

In Gen 38:11-26 Judah like Onan also rejected God's command about keeping up on family lineage, but unlike Onan he was not kill. And when you read Deut 25:7-10 the penatly to reject God's command on family lineage is not death! Onan was killed because he 'DID' a detestable thing, wasting his seed.
---Ruben on 7/12/12


Ruben, YOU were the one who claimed that Jesus forbade contraception.

Therefore, it's up to YOU to provide the evidence that He in fact did so.

If you cannot do so, have the grace to admit it.

This is the same thing I tell anyone here who claims that Jesus (or the Bible) says this or that.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/12


Both the Orthodox and the Roman Catholic hatched from the same breeding ground. When the rule of Scripture was replaced by the rules of men and they made it okay to live in sin and still run the church.

The problem is not Sola Scriptora. The problem is sin and men's love for it.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/12/12


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But please quote BCV in the Holy Gospels where Jesus condemned contraception.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/12

Cluny,

Had to laugh when I read this, I see your Protestant side came out! In Mat 19:6 Jesus says " Since they are no longer two but one, let no one split apart what God has joined together. Now Jesus was around from the beginning where God said to be fruitful and mutiply and when Onan was killed by God for spilling his seed on the ground(practing contraception). If the ECF taught against contraception(They did) where did they get this information from? LK 10:16 " Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me.":)
---Ruben on 7/12/12


Ruben, the story of Onan is condemning neither birth control nor masturbation (as has been claimed in the past).

Rather, Onan was punished for not performing his duty to his dead brother by impregnating his widowed sister-in-law Tamar. Any son so conceived would not be considered Onan's.

Rather, Onan was using the widowed Tamar for his own selfish sexual pleasure.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/12


\\Cluny,
Jesus and the apostolic church(Early Church Fathers) condemend contraception, why does your church says it now a pastoral matter,\\

I'm not in favor of contraception as a general rule. For a normal healthy couple to refuse to have children is selfish.

But please quote BCV in the Holy Gospels where Jesus condemned contraception.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/12


Cluny,
Jesus and the apostolic church(Early Church Fathers) condemend contraception, why does your church says it now a pastoral matter,

Cluny* Protestantism was hatched from the egg that Rome laid.

Really, one man (Martin Luther) and his theology of Sola Scriptura open the floodgates of over 30,000 different denominations. It was for this reason Jesus gave his Church the charism of infallibility , he officially taught the church on Faith and morals. Only the Catholic church has remained in tact as one Church in matters of faith and morals, as already mention your church on gone the other direction and we both know from whom the orthodox Church came.
---Ruben on 7/11/12


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\\Maybe so, but not all Orthodox Churches are in communion when it comes to sexual morality such as contraception. \\

Eucharistic communion (which is what the term "in communion" means among the Orthodox), has not been broken over the matter of contraception, though there may not be agreement on what is seen as a pastoral matter.

\\why your church and other protestant chuches\\

But we are not Protestant. Protestantism was hatched from the egg that Rome laid.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/11/12


Peter * is there any real evidence about the real Christian morality about contraception?

Gen 1:28 says "be fruitful and multiply", this is a blessing .(Marriage couples)

(Gen 20:17-18) tells us it is God Who opens and closes wombs and causes a conception to occur.

And let's not forget Gen 38:8-10:

"Then Judah said to Onan, 'Go in to your brother's wife, and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.' But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his, so when he went in to his brothers wife he spilled the semen on the ground, lest he should give offspring to his brother. And what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD, and he slew him also."
---Ruben on 7/11/12


The normal term 'communion' only means to be a part of the church, not to follow a particular point of view - even within the Catholic Church the 'dogma' on contraception has not been unchanging
---Peter on 7/10/12

But in scripture it means:

Fellowship with God, Between God and his people, Of believers with another..etc..etc..All Christians universally opposed contraception until 1930, all stood side by side with the Catholic Church but since then they have gone lax on this issue. which leads me to believe Jesus words 'gates of Hell will not prevail against his Church'..
---Ruben on 7/11/12


Ruben: 'are in communion when it comes to sexual morality such as contraception'

Apart from the term 'communion', is there any real evidence about the real Christian morality about contraception?

The normal term 'communion' only means to be a part of the church, not to follow a particular point of view - even within the Catholic Church the 'dogma' on contraception has not been unchanging
---Peter on 7/10/12


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Only the Ecumenical Patriarch refused recognition. All the other Orthodox Churches retained communion.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/9/12


Maybe so, but not all Orthodox Churches are in communion when it comes to sexual morality such as contraception. Thus not having a earthly representative which Jesus establish is the reason why your church and other protestant chuches have fallen on the way side on moral issues!
---Ruben on 7/10/12


Cluny* True, the Ecumenical Patriarch has exhibited some papal pretensions over the last 100 years or so,

Which was my point: You said ///many Roman Catholics, think that the Patriarch of Constantinople is the Orthodox pope// I only gave several reasons why they might think that way. Nothing more or less!
---Ruben on 7/10/12


\\Same pagan-inspired dogma, different pope.


---jerry6593 on 7/10/12\\

Aside from the fact that Orthodoxy has no pope, you have an infallible papessa who was not only a false prophet, but a plagiarist.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/10/12


Same pagan-inspired dogma, different pope.


---jerry6593 on 7/10/12


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\\if the Patriarch of Constantinople had not recognized them as a vaild church they would be considered schismatic ,\\

Only one who paid attention to this: the Patriarch of Constantinople. The other autocephalous Orthodox churches did not.

S
\\ thus the Patriarch of Constantinople has the power to decide who is a member of a true church or who is not! Sounds like the same power the Catholic Church grants the Pope\\

True, the Ecumenical Patriarch has exhibited some papal pretensions over the last 100 years or so, but again, the only one who takes them seriously is the EP. Not even the Church of Greece does, to say nothing about Mt. Athos, which is supposedly directly under his jurisdiction.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/9/12


\\Ok, but if the Patriarch of Constantinople had not recognized them as a vaild church they would be considered schismatic ,\\

Only the Ecumenical Patriarch refused recognition. All the other Orthodox Churches retained communion.

\\ thus the Patriarch of Constantinople has the power to decide who is a member of a true church or who is not! Sounds like the same power the Catholic Church grants the Pope...\\

While the EP has shown papal pretentions over the last 150 years or so, nobody but the EP has taken them seriously--not even the Church of Greece.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/9/12


The Bulgarian Orthodox Church has been autocephalous (not autonomous) for at least a couple of hundred years, as has the Church of Greece.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/9/12

Ok, but if the Patriarch of Constantinople had not recognized them as a vaild church they would be considered schismatic , thus the Patriarch of Constantinople has the power to decide who is a member of a true church or who is not! Sounds like the same power the Catholic Church grants the Pope...
---Ruben on 7/9/12


\\But Boris wanted the Church in Bulgaria to be independent, and when Constantinople refused to grant autonomy, he turned to the west in hopes of better terms. (pg. 554) This is the same power the CC gives to the Pope!
---Ruben on 7/9/12\\

The Bulgarian Orthodox Church has been autocephalous (not autonomous) for at least a couple of hundred years, as has the Church of Greece.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/9/12


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many Roman Catholics, think that the Patriarch of Constantinople is the Orthodox pope.

--Cluny on 7/6/12

Might because what Bishop Kallistos wrote on his book (The Orthodox Church. Penguin Books-pg 7-554):

But there are plenty of examples of the supreme authorithy of this Patriarch!

An independent Bulgarian Patriarchate was created, and this was recognized by the Patriarch of Consatantinople. The dream of Boris an autocephalous Church of his own became a reality. (pg. 75,76)

But Boris wanted the Church in Bulgaria to be independent, and when Constantinople refused to grant autonomy, he turned to the west in hopes of better terms. (pg. 554) This is the same power the CC gives to the Pope!
---Ruben on 7/9/12


Orthodox Christianity, Acts v 38, to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost.

Man - made christians. The light & inspiration for such came from the devil here, 2nd. Cor. 11 v's 14 - 15, beginning with the trinity roman cath church & her trinity daughters churches. They are NOT valid of God, but God Did validate to put them here, Rev. 17 v's 4 - 6.
---Lawrence on 7/7/12


\\Orthodox group considers their pope to be Christ's head of the church on earth.\\

Wrong.

Orthodoxy has no popes or any equivalent.

Some people, especially many Roman Catholics, think that the Patriarch of Constantinople is the Orthodox pope, but this is not so at all.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/12


Rod4Him: I thought you were talking about what led Rome to split from Orthodoxy, and that it involved the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, which has no jurisdiction outside the middle east. I misunderstood.

Peter: Books have been written on this subject from both sides, and it cannot be adequately treated in 125 words. I suggest such books as Timothy Ware's THE ORTHODOX CHURCH, Seraphim Rose's ORTHODOXY AND THE RELIGION OF THE FUTURE ("Religion of the Future" means the religion of Antichrist in this context), ORTHODOX DOGMATIC THEOLOGY.

Some of these books might even be found on line.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/12


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To my knowledge, the Roman group considers the pope in Rome to be the human head of Christ's church, while the Orthodox group considers their pope to be Christ's head of the church on earth. And Roman people claim that a priest must be celibate, while Orthodox leaders ordain married men and celibates to be priests.

But our apostle Paul, in 1 Timothy 3:1-10 says "a bishop must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded," "not quarrelsome", "rules his own house well" "for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?" > tested with one's own family, first, before being considered, I understand.
---willie_c: on 7/6/12


//most people here have no idea what either Roman Catholics OR Orthodox.... teach.//

Apparently this is true, and it appears what many think they know they don't.

//, so this is the wrong place to ask//

In which case I am curious, your being here, what's that about?

From your site, "...Irenaios refused to recognize the deposition, considered himself the legitimate Patriarch, and that he has been under house arrest for years.

and, Government of Jordan revoked its previous recognition of Patriarch Theophilus III, who is still also not recognized by the Israeli Government... Jordanian cabinet reversed its decision."

Jordanian? Israeli?

No controversy?
---Rod4Him on 7/5/12


Cluny: As an Orthodox who knows something, could you tell me how the actual separation really occurred? Was it a matter of real dogma, or was it more of the disputes that will always occur, but are really more 'minor' matters?

I do not know enough to say much
---Peter on 7/6/12


\\Both religions have other NonInspired books ...\\

Eloy has it backwards. Post-reformation churches have Bible with great big holes in them.

Eloy himself is a Sabellian modalist and not a Christian, as he has made clear.

**4) I thought "here" was an appropriate place, being that this is a Christian blog**

Rod4Him, most people here have no idea what either Roman Catholics OR Orthodox (to say nothing about the Non-Chalcedonian Churches) teach, so this is the wrong place to ask.

I don't know where you got the notion of a controversy regarding the Patriarch of Jerusalem. There is a site called Orthodoxwiki.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/5/12


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//Why are you asking the people here who really don't know what they are talking about when they mention either?//

This is the third time I have tried to respond to this comment, but it hasn't been posted...strange.

Several reasons,

1) To find out what "christians" think is the difference.

2) To learn more myself.

3) To educate people about Christendom..as Cluny said many in the West don't know much.

4) I thought "here" was an appropriate place, being that this is a Christian blog.

In a brief search out of interest, I found that there is controversy surrounding the Patriarch of Jerusalem, where the church started.
---Rod4Him on 7/5/12


BTW, I would not have titled this blog Catholic "verses" Orthodox. That seems to set up a conflict rather than a mature discussion.
---Rod4Him on 7/4/12

Rob,

Actualy there are minor differences contary to what someone might say. We both have apostolic succession--priesthood and the Eucharist, we also have true sacraments. Most Orthodox who claim that there is a huge difference between the true I learned have a Protestant background thus the Pope which they were already against and the Filioque something new they learn. In both cases scripture and history are not on their side!
---Ruben on 7/5/12


Both religions have other NonInspired books which contradict Holy Scripture, like apocryphas and catechisms, rather than using the Holy Scripture alone. And they put tradition before the Holy Scripture. And both believe in three separate gods, rather than One God.
---Eloy on 7/5/12


BTW, I would not have titled this blog Catholic "verses" Orthodox. That seems to set up a conflict rather than a mature discussion.
---Rod4Him on 7/4/12


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Cluny, that's it. Skismatic.
---Catholicus on 7/4/12


Why are you asking the people here who really don't know what they are talking about when they mention either?

If you really want to know, there are books on the subject.

Catholicus, the word you are looking for is "schismatic."

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 7/4/12


The Orthodox are more 'mystical' and the Catholics are more 'rational.' But they are both the same in that each accuses the other of being schematic.
---Catholicus on 7/3/12


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