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Does Jesus Reign Forever

Will Jesus reign forever and ever? Or, does His kingdom ever come to an end?

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In the book of Daniel it indicates by interpretation of a gentile rulers dream, that it is the kingdom of Christ that will have no end.

What would replace it?

There won't be any gentile empire to rise up that could overtake it.

In the book of Revelation, it is stated that such a thing is tried after the Millennium is over. All it took is one mighty zap from God and they were over before they started.
---jan4378 on 12/6/12


Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Therefore be ye also ready: (for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh!)

Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh (shall find so doing!)


Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.


Arent you guys saying?
Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest?

Behold, I say unto you!
Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields, for they are white already to harvest!

Amen trey
Luk_17:21!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/25/12


Many of you believe in the Millenial Reign of Christ. 1Cor chapter 15 and 1Thes chapter 4 give us the clearest picture of what will actually occur at his return.

You who believe that Christ will set up a kingdom here on earth please consider these verses:
Lu17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Christ speaking to the Jews:
Mt21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mr1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
The kingdom is now. It is a spiritual kingdom.
Christ reigns today upon his throne!
---trey on 11/25/12


The scope of that evangel is different for Gentiles. It is not the same as it is for Jews.
Phil

For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed, neither hid, that shall not be known.

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/24/12


The faithful followers of the Lord will be rewarded with rulership by the Lord Jesus when he returns (Zechariah 14:4) after the times of sorrow to rule on earth as King of Kings
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/24/12

Correctly partitioned, correctly placed, correctly admonished.
---Phil on 11/24/12




Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God .."

Revelation 11:15 "... The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Isaiah 40:10 Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

The faithful followers of the Lord will be rewarded with rulership by the Lord Jesus when he returns (Zechariah 14:4) after the times of sorrow to rule on earth as King of Kings
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/24/12


Mark_V

The failure of the ecclesia of today to teach correct division of God's word 2Ti 2:15 is the agent provocateur in our discussions. It is not your fault, or mine.

I am only able to ask you to abide by the fact that I do rightly divide the word, and your inability to do this is not a mark against you in my estimation.

There is one evangel.

Christ died for our sins, was buried, and arose the third day from the dead.

The scope of that evangel is different for Gentiles. It is not the same as it is for Jews.

Only a protracted and earnest study of the Word, along with holy spirit guidance, will find this.

God gives to the drudges.
---Phil on 11/24/12


There is only one kingdom of God a future kingdom here on earth, which is why the Lord stated if his kingdom were here now his servants would fight. They did not fight because the Kingdom of God is a future promise when the Lord returns to earth his servants will fight and restore the earth to Gods Kingdom.

Isaiah 9:7 " ...of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom,... "

Daniel 6:26 " ...for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end."

Luke 1:33
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever, and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/24/12


Phil, I try to follow what you say, but you talk about so much with no Scriptual evidence. Here let me explain,
Church is an assembly, in the New T. it is talking about the "called out." believers who meet for the purpose of worship. At Pentacost we have the Apostolic Church been form with Jew converts. They became the body of Christ, then the Gentiles were included and they became the body of Christ. The Body of Christ are all those who are baptized spiritually into the body of Christ. This is a spiritual baptism.
"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--"whether Jew or Greeks<" whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit" (1 Cor. 12:13).
---Mark_V. on 11/22/12


---trey on 11/20/12

Forgive me if needed.

Hebrews has no known author. God chose it to be that way for many reasons.

If you read Paul's letters, his entire focus is to the nations, not the Jews. The scope of his ministry was focused on the body of Christ and the spiritual nature of our connection to Him.

Hebrews says nothing about the body of Christ. It is entirely a Jewish letter of encouragement in the face of the fading away of the promised Kingdom.

It may have been one of the other apostles in Paul's ministry. None of the twelve understood the revelations Paul received.

The words "for ever, everlasting, and eternal" are translations. They are not scriptural.
---Phil on 11/21/12




Dear brother Phil, I believe we are going to have to agree to disagree.

Please consider these words also written I believe by the Apostle Paul:

Heb1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Here we see that the Son is God and that His kindom is an everlasting kingdom.

Also, thanks for the encouragement about holding strong!

Bless you dear brother.
---trey on 11/20/12


---trey on 11/19/12

I encourage you to be strong in your beliefs about God.

But, if what we believe contradicts the clear declaration of God, then we are in error, and we need adjustment to our thinking.

This is always possible, therefore, I submit, one more time for you, the clear declaration of God....

"Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all."

It is important to see what is does not say, as well.

This is the goal of God. It is the consummation of all things, and revealed to Paul only.
---Phil on 11/20/12


Phil,

Let us consider:
2Pet1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

I believe it is Christ's kingdom and he will rule over it forever.

Concerning I Cor 15:28, it is my belief that Paul is stating that at the resurrection it will be apparent that all things are subject unto Christ, even death. It will also be obvious that Christ was fullfilling and has fullfilled the will of the Father. Christ is God, and God is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. The end of the verse is declaring that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost have the preeminence, as our Saviour, Redeemer, Regenerator, Provider, ...our all in all!
---trey on 11/19/12


JESUS will reign forever with zhis Father.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/15/12

Compare that with this:

1C 15:28 .. then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.

Paul received the latest revelations of truth to man.

After being seated at the right hand of the Father, Christ returned to earth and commissioned Paul, the last Apostle.

A king has none above him. A king is subject to no other. There can be only one king at a time, or it is not a kingdom.

Christ gives up His reign and kingdom to His God, and becomes a subject unto His Father at the consummation.

The word does not contradict itself. Men contradict the word.
---Phil on 11/18/12


JESUS will reign forever with zhis Father.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/15/12


Yes, Jesus is God and HE reigns forever.HE exists before beginning of men and HE will continue to exist when men fail to exist. Remember, one of HIS names is Eternal Father.
---Adetunji on 11/16/12


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\\he has gone to heaven to prepare the places of rulership for those sons who qualify\\

And do you think you qualify, FoC?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/16/12


Pat, here what Esaias says!
But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not, I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

Paul, says!
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.


The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass,

He that overcometh shall inherit all things, and (I will be his God,) and (he shall be my son.)
Forever and ever!
---TheSeg on 11/15/12


The Lord Jesus qualified to replace the god of this world, Satan, and he has gone to heaven to prepare the places of rulership for those sons who qualify, when the tribulation is finished, Satan is bound, then the Lord Jesus returns to rule from Jerusalem forever.

The Lord Jesus is King of King and Lord of Lords and nothing can prevent Gods Kingdom from being reestablished on earth!
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/15/12


Would you believe I got that straight from the Bible!
---pat on 11/15/12


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You cannot trump Him up into your simple mind, you are simple minded, my friend.
---pat on 11/14/12

Presuming this to be directed at me, all I can say is I wish it were so, at times.

The mind of Christ is difficult to attain to, and acknowledging ones own disability to retain it is a task. The only sure way to resolve it is to stay immersed in the word of God.

It is able to divide between soul and spirit, and illumination comes through a solid commitment to studying it.

Most read the Scriptures to support their beliefs. Few there are that seek God's mind, in order to disolve that which hinders faith.
---Phil on 11/15/12


"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". When I first got saved, first Scripture I went to. And I believed it. Before I Got saved, only words sitting there, staring back at me. You cannot reason God into your mind. You cannot trump Him up into your simple mind, you are simple minded, my friend.
---pat on 11/14/12


Yes, God is eternal. And His kingdom will never end.
---pat on 11/13/12

Eternal is a Latin word for the Greek word aionion, it is not found in the oldest Greek NT writings. Men translated it that way, not God.

Aionios means a long period of time with a beginning and ending.

"...and he shall reign to the ages of the ages!" YLT

If you study this word [G165 aion] with a concordance and interlinear, you will find I am correct. If you don't, then you will have lost much. Most all Greek scholars agree, theologians excepting.

Also read and consider 1C 15:28 then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

There is only One God.
---Phil on 11/14/12


Yes, God is eternal. And His kingdom will never end>>>Ex. 15:18, Rev. 11:15.
---pat on 11/13/12


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Phil, you answer great sometimes, but other times I really don't understand your thinking. You say,

"God did not choose to reveal His word by using English.
His choice was the exacting vocabulary of the Greek."


If you do not know Greek, you don't know the true Jesus. Nonsense.
The Spirit reveals Christ to us through the Word. We are saved by grace through faith. Not by knowing Greek.
Sure, if someone is already saved, and cannot understand certain words, they can look them up in the Hebrew or Greek to get the correct meaning on the context of certain passages. As I said, unless you have all the Original pieces in your house, you have one that was interpreted by someone.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/12


"Forget that play-with-Greek-words twisting around. In English, "Forever and ever" ALWAYS means "Eternally". ---Gordon on 7/25/12

God did not choose to reveal His word by using English.
His choice was the exacting vocabulary of the Greek.

There was a divine purpose in this. You should seriously meditate on why He did.

I would not be so dismissive of such an operation of God.
Believing that translations are better than the originals is a mistake.

It is imperative that truth-seekers compare the Greek manuscripts against the translations. This is the only way to avoid error. Those who do are on solid ground in knowing God.
---Phil on 7/27/12


CraigA, You gave excellent Verses that support that YAHUSHUA is God! For anyone to deny the Deity of YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST the Man) misses the whole point altogether. The reason for YAHUSHUA being the only possible Saviour is that only God can be without sin, for only that kind of Person could atone for the rest of sinful mankind. If YAHUSHUA would've sinned, He would've been disqualified as being Saviour and would've needed a Saviour Himself. So, God the Son became a Man, but, was without sin.
---Gordon on 7/26/12


That said, where in Scripture does it say, Jesus is the One True God
---CraigA on 7/26/12

Don't forget:

Col 2:9 "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form"

Heb 1:8 "But of the Son He says, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom"

Phil 2:6 "who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped"

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"
---Mark_Eaton on 7/26/12


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That said, where in Scripture does it say, Jesus is the One True God?--Phil

John 8:58
Before Abraham was, I am

1 Tim 3:16
God was manifest in the flesh

Rev 1:11-13, 21:6, 22:12
I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last

John 14:9
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father

In John 10:30-33,
I and my Father are one
the Jews understood that Jesus was claiming to be God.

John 1:11
He came unto his own and his own received him not

In Matt 23:37 Jesus' statement implies that He was the God of Israel in old testament days
---CraigA on 7/26/12


And, Phil, back to your original question from above....."Forever and ever" means exactly what we commonly know it to mean. Forget that play-with-Greek-words twisting around. In English, "Forever and ever" ALWAYS means "Eternally". You will not be able to convince anyone who knows GOD and HIS Bible that it means anything else. When anyone speaks today using the term "Forever and ever", we know exactly what they are saying and that they mean "time without end" or "Eternally".
---Gordon on 7/25/12


Phil, you are trying to confuse the words "Was with God, and "was God." you use the word pro, and then you say you only go by the originals when in fact you do not have the originals. Unless you have the pieces all scattered around your floor at your house. Look, if you do not believe that the Word is the Son of God and that He is not God, that is ok. Many don't either. But I will remind you, if you do not have faith in the Eternal begotten Son of God, you have missed your bus to heaven. So who do you say that He is?
---Mark_V. on 7/25/12


PHIL, GOD is a Triune GOD-Head. Three Divine Persons in ONE Unification of what we call "GOD". In the Beginning God-the-Son (YAHUSHUA/JESUS) was WITH God-the-Father and with God-the-Holy Spirit. When one understands that GOD is ONE, but, that GOD is a Unification of Three-in-ONE, then, one can better understand the words "with" and that "the Word IS God" as well as how the Word is "with GOD".
---Gordon on 7/24/12


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Gordon

"Phil, 'With' means "with'.

I see that you agree. White is white, black is black, and with means with.

God, by Holy Spirit, did not use with, He used "toward' (G4314 pros).

After you have done a concordant study of the word pros, come back and tell me your findings, if you think Holy Spirit was mistaken.

A JW? Not hardly. But I insist on the purity of the Oringinals, as do all Greek students. Join us and depart the creeds.
---Phil on 7/23/12


Phil, "With" means "with". Can't make it any simpler than that. You forgot to mention anything about "...and the Word WAS God." YAHUSHUA (The Word) IS God. Btw, Are you, Phil, a "Jehovah's Witness"?
---Gordon on 7/23/12


Gordon on 7/20/12
Phil, Read JOHN 1:1-14.
In the beginning was
en arche En
the word, and the word was
ho logos kai ho logos En
toward God, and God was the
pros theon kai theos En ho
word.
logos

The Greek manuscripts use "toward God", not with God. The Greek word translated as with is meta, not pros. Pros indicates direction away from and towards. The Logos was not with God, but toward God, if you accept the Originals as being the most accurate record of God's revelation to us. Most all the versions make this error, to support creedalism.
---Phil on 7/21/12


Phil, Read JOHN 1:1-14. There, Verse 1 says "In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was 'with GOD', and the Word 'was God'." Now, who is this "Word"? Verse 14 gives us a Clue "And, the Word was made Flesh, and dwelt among us...the Glory as of the only Begotten of the Father,) full of Grace and Truth." YAHUSHUA, Who is the Begotten (Son) of the Father, is the Word. He was, in the Beginning, WITH GOD, and He was God. Still is God.
---Gordon on 7/20/12


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Phil, Do you believe that YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST) is God?
---Gordon on 7/20/12

Gordon, such a question is appropriate in a setting where truth is ultimately what is being sought out.

My beliefs must agree with what God has declared in His Holy Writings. If what I hold to be true does not agree with Scripture, then I am in error.

What matters is what God has revealed to us, not what we believe. If He has not reveled it, it is not truth, it is merely supposition.

That said, where in Scripture does it say, Jesus is the One True God?

I have never found such a passage. Perhaps you can disclose this to me.
---Phil on 7/20/12


Phil, Do you believe that YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST) is God?
---Gordon on 7/20/12


Gordon on 7/17/12
"Phil, My point is, we do not have to have a Bible Verse to know Who the real King of the Universe is."

1Ti 1:17 and to the King of the ages, the incorruptible, invisible, only wise God.

There is only One King, the God of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

The Son of God has a Kingdom. It is both earthly and celestial. It is delegated to Him by His Father. It is temporary.

The One King, the One True God and Father, is Spirit. He cannot be contained in physical forms, and can only espress Himself through the Logos, His Son.

Christ is that Expression.
---Phil on 7/18/12


King of kings, Lord of lords.
Glory
Halleluyah
---micha9344 on 7/17/12


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Phil, My point is, we do not have to have a Bible Verse to know Who the real King of the Universe is. Remember what the sign above YAHUSHUA said when He was hanging on the Cross? Those words that declared the crucified Criminal's offense? His read "King of the Jews". Almighty GOD did not allow the religious leaders to have that sign changed to "He said He was the King of the Jews". It was left as "King of the Jews" because He was King even before reigning for 1,000 Years. He is the King Eternal. If you debate that, you're going to have more "proof" than what you offered.
---Gordon on 7/17/12


Phil, Kind of like how king David was king, and yet, GOD was King, still, even though the people themselves refused to recognize it.
---Gordon on 7/17/12


Gordon on 7/16/12

I have a hard time following your train of thought Gordon. I know you are trying to explain your thoughts, but they are not grounded in the Scriptures.

So, you believe there will be two kings in the end?

It is my understanding from reading the Bible that there is never more than one king at a time. Which king is really the king then? Confusing....

I like it when God explains it. It is easier for me that way.
1C 15:28 then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him.

Kinda like a KIng's King? Only not really?
---Phil on 7/17/12


Hi Phil, Christ's kingdom is a spiritual kingdom and he does reign and will reign forever as the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded, and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Isa9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
---trey on 7/16/12


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Phil, the kingdom of God is not of this world. The kingdom talked about in (1 Cor. 15) is the kingdom of this world that He will turn over to God.
Jesus made it clear that His Kingdom was not from here.
" Jesus answered, My Kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews, but now My Kingdom is not from here" This are two different Kingdoms.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12


Gordon, Jesus will be KING during the 1000 year eathly reign. However there will be no need for any Kings and Father of a King in Heaven.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12


Phil and Smitty, That is not saying that YAHUSHUA will no longer be a King. He will be subject to His Father, but, that does not dispell His Kingship. I don't see it, anyway. The Whole GOD-Head rules the entire Universe. The GOD-Head is the Father, the Holy Spirit and the Son. There is Hierarchy within the GOD-Head, 'though they are Creator and Ruler over all. So, just as the man is the head over his household, with the wife and children under his subjection, so is this same man, all the while, under the subjection of YAHUSHUA, (though he still be "ruler" in his household.) Likewise, as YAHUSHUA is a King, will He be subject to the Father, Who is greater than a King.
---Gordon on 7/16/12


Gordon, Phil would say that because he believes I Corinthians 15.28 says it.
---Smitty on 7/15/12


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The answer is right here:

1 corinthians 15

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father, when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/12


Phil, the answer is simple. Jesus Christ is God and His rule is everlasting. His kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36). What is really awesome is that in those passages He says,

"....For this cause I was born, (His humanity) that I should bear witness to the Truth, "Everyone who is of the Truth hears My voice" (John 18:37)

A great passage. Only those of the Truth hear His voice. The others don't. Many here claim while lost, they can hear the voice of Christ when they are not of the Truth? It's impossible. They say while lost (not of the Truth) they can come to Christ and hear the voice of Christ saying, I forgive you. Jesus said only those of the Truth can hear His voice. The lost claim they can.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12


Phil, Okay, so, then, What is your whole point, here? Are you saying that YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST) will NOT be King Forever, throughout Eternity?
---Gordon on 7/15/12


Phil I know you have no need for my agreement, nevertheless I do agree with your posts in their entirety. If the writer truly want to convey the concept of an eternity, it would have been easy and much more clarifying to use the word "aionios" which indeed means "without end, never to cease, everlasting," and "gives prominence to the immeasurableness of eternity."
---Josef on 7/15/12


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Phil, after re-reading your posts I see that I spoke to soon about being agreement with your posts "in their entirety". To quote you "Serious students of the Scriptures are learned enough to know that aionios does not denote endlessness. " With this I disagree, adjectives "modify nouns and pronouns, primarily by describing a particular quality of the word they are modifying". Thus as concerning 'my' understanding of the word, "aionios" does "denote endlessness" by definition. See Strong's [Greek] #166. Every place in scripture where this word is used, eternity is apparent, with the exception of a few. Mat 18:8,25:41 and Phm 1:15 where aion would be more appropriate.
---Josef on 7/15/12


But, the implication is clear that it's an UNENDING amount of time.
---Gordon on 7/13/12

Implying something is truth is not the same as truth.

The error of translating aion to denote endlessness can be readily observed through a study of G165 in the NT.

But, such a task is for honest seekers of truth, who are willing to accept their fallibility in order to retain the mind of God on the issue.

The best rendering of aion is our word eon, which has its root here anyway. Understanding it comes from seeking God through His Word.
---Phil on 7/13/12


Phil, Each word "ever" meaning "age" or "a segment span of time" is, perhaps, then, the reasoning behind stating it as "forever AND ever", for, it's as if to speak a shortened version of the unending expression of "forever AND ever AND ever AND ever AND ever, etc., etc.", you know? The "ever and evers" (age after age after age)are unending. One cannot, in general conversation, keep repeating "ever and ever and ever..." endlessly to make the point that the time period is without end, for then the repetition would never stop. So, it was shortened to "forever and ever" for time's sake. But, the implication is clear that it's an UNENDING amount of time.
---Gordon on 7/13/12


Phil, YAHUSHUA is King. He is God of very GOD. The Kingdom of GOD will last forever. That being so, there must be a King, if there is a Kingdom. And, if the Kingdom will last forever, so must the King Who rules over it. Does that not even make sense? Forever means FOREVER. Take the Holy Scriptures at face value and stop complicating it. Okay? :-) GOD is a very complex GOD, indeed, but, HE has made the things known of HIM in a simple way so all who want to may understand.
---Gordon on 7/12/12


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Gordon on 7/12/12 said: " So, YES, YAHUSHUA will reign for ever (G165) and ever (G165)."

G165 aion properly, an age.

Serious students of the Scriptures are learned enough to know that aionios does not denote endlessness. It is the adjectival form of aion properly rendered "age" or "eon".

The KJV renders it course, eternal forever, ever, never, and world. All these variants for one word!

Funny, but understandable in their bias treatment of the Ancient Manuscripts.

I suggest a concordant study, Strong's if you prefer, of the Greek word aion. It does not mean eternal or endless.
---Phil on 7/12/12


King YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST) shall reign 1,000 Years on this present Earth when He physically returns to Earth and gets rid of the Anti-Christ. Then, after the 1,000 Year Reign, He will cast Satan and all of the Damned into the Lake of Fire, and He will reign FOREVERMORE in the New Heavens and the New Earth. So, YES, YAHUSHUA will reign forever and ever.
---Gordon on 7/12/12


TheSeg on 7/9/12: "does His kingdom ever come to an end? No!"

A king has absolute rule and there is none higher, else he would not be a king. He also has authority and rules to govern his kingdom

"For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

Please explain, in scriptural words, how can Christ give up his kingdom and still be a king over what no longer belongs to him, and belongs to His God and Father?
---Phil on 7/12/12


Will Jesus reign forever and ever? No!
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

does His kingdom ever come to an end? No!
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
---TheSeg on 7/9/12


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Yes Char Amen
"For thus says the LORD...Look unto Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else. I have sworn by Myself, the Word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, [even] in Him:" Isa 45:23>Phl 2:10,11>Eph 1:10
---joseph on 7/10/12


yes and yes = yes and no
---aka on 7/9/12


Phil, you have made my point. i never said anything about oneness being identity. in like-mindedness, the answer is yes and yes.
---aka on 7/9/12


1 Thessalonians 1:9 "and how you turned to God from idols, to serve a living and true God".

Jeremiah 10:10 "But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God and the everlasting King".

There have been many superstitions in ancient tribes etc. (such as a sun god, wind demon, etc.), but those kingdoms are of false/dead "gods".....

Jeremiah 2:11 "Has a nation changed its gods, even though they are no gods?".

....but our god is the ONE TRUE "LIVING" GOD and reigns ETERNALLY/forever.

Jesus is the COMPLETION of GOD (the ENTIRETY of all three persons of God (the Jews didn't have THE SON, we do......the totality of God).
---more_excellent_way on 7/9/12


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PHIL, You said "Does that mean we will become gods?"...WHERE did you ever get such a crazy idea?. Has The Lord begun to give you thoughts of HIS world (the "spirit world"?).

Psalm 82:6 "I say, "You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you".

Believers are "saints" and simply have salvation/purification, BUT we each have the opportunity to be a SON OF GOD instead of a "saint" (free choice/challenge). We need to first stop thinking of God as a "MASTER" (He wants to be "Abba FATHER" to us, (Hebrews 1:5 "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son").

....but be VERY CAREFUL and learn more with GENUINE humility, Phil and everyone.
---more_excellent_way on 7/9/12


Jesus came in the "fulness of time" (the completion and end of "TIME", Ephesians 1:13). He ended the age of time and began the age of ETERNITY (look up "age" in the concordance).

Luke 18:30, Mark 10:30
"and in the age to come eternal life".

WE (Jesus worshippers, N.T. worship) worship GOD ETERNAL (JESUS is the ETERNAL SABBATH rest..."THE LORD'S DAY" is ETERNAL).

YES, Jesus reigns FOREVER/eternity.
---more_excellent_way on 7/9/12


phil, it is hard to separate Jesus and God because of the nature of their oneness. but,it is not something we can understand.
---aka on 7/8/12
Jn 17:11 Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Perhaps we are mistaken, and there will be more than One True God? He will make us one with the Father, as He is one with Him. Does that mean we will become gods? Oneness does not imply identity, it implies like- mindedness. God can be understood by believing in faith what He has spoken. It is easily complicated through human reasoning. Understanding is preceeded by humility and allegiance to the Word of God
---Phil on 7/9/12


I guess that would depend on whether you believe God is a liar or not!
But, just to be sure you got me, the answer is no!
By the way Jesus is God!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/8/12


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phil, it is hard to separate Jesus and God because of the nature of their oneness. but,it is not something we can understand.
---aka on 7/8/12


//---joseph on 7/7/12//

Amen Joseph,

Is 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not [return unto me void], but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Shalom
---char on 7/8/12


Wow, joseph. You have provided evidence. Not many do that when trying to support their opinions. Thank you.
---Phil on 7/8/12


As the Son His reign is limited "Since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For He must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God [The Father] may be all in all." 1 Cor 15:20-28 (NIV) As the tangible representation and Divine expression of The Father, His reign will be without end. Exd 15:18> Luk 1:33
---joseph on 7/7/12


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It is like a train going on forever. Just make sure you are on the train so you go where it goes.

Right now, "the kingdom of God is righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit," we have in Romans 14:17. But we are occupation troops "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" (Philippians 2:14-16), now. But then comes the resurrection of the righteous, when the train flies (c: and then we have resurrection bodies and next reign for the thousand years, then we have the new earth, more down to earth but in Heaven's glory (Romans 8:21).
---willie_c: on 7/8/12


That's one of the two problems with the belief in an earthly millennial reign of Christ.

First, Jesus said, "My kingdom is NOT of this world," but that's exactly what the millennium is: a kingdom of this world.

Second, at the Annunciation in Luke 1, Gabriel said Christ's reign would have no end. Obviously, the millennium is limited in time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/7/12


Yes he'll reign forever
---womandisciple on 7/7/12


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