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Defending False Teachers

Why are there so many people who claim to be people of God, yet they defend FALSE TEACHERS, and are hostile towards those who share God's Truths?

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Christians need the discipline to open their bible start in Genesis & read all the way to the end of Revelation.
Even St. Paul rebuked St. Peter in Galatians 2:11. No mere mortal is infallible and above errors. That is why pencils have erasers. People error, not God.
---SA on 7/24/12


Francis,

And Feats won't fail you either!!!

Daniel 11:32
And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
---kathr4453 on 7/23/12


Francis, run in the opposite direction.
---kathr4453 on 7/23/12

feets don't fail me now
---francis on 7/23/12


Francis, run in the opposite direction.
---kathr4453 on 7/23/12


When that happens RUN!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/23/12
O.K which way should I run, West, east, North or South?

I tend to go north by North east
---francis on 7/23/12




Francis, I believe this conversation is being taken where it was never meant to go. God has given Gifts to each and every one of us in the Body, some teachers, preachers etc. Absolutely what you say is true.

What we need to be careful of is that there is no one super GURU God placed in the Body. You know, like that one where we start worshiping the GURU, and all of a sudden they are all in all.

Every denomination has at least one. Sometimes doctrines are even named after them.

When that happens RUN!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/23/12


kathr4453 on 7/22/12

Well, i just do not see how you can say that we do not need interpreters (human teachers) if we are christians.

But that is just not so. To say that when someone commits their lives to Christ that they no longer need human interpretors Is just not so at all

new believers do need teachers, and even older ones
---francis on 7/22/12


So MarkV, are you using these blogs to take personal digs at others.

Shame on you, such childish and immature words.

Let's just stick to the conversation and YOU leave your personal opinions out of whether you believe someone is saved or not.

You are not God. You delusions are gettting worse and worse.

AND Where is Elder when YOU make comments like this to others.

He doesn't see ELOY in your comments? Selective blindless I suppose.

That's why I have lost resepct for Elder too...Shira!
---kathr4453 on 7/22/12


Kathr, you say you are taught by the Holy Spirit, it might be a spirit but not the Holy Spirit since you are wrong so many times and the Spirit testifies of Christ, For it is Christ name you have brought down for your own purpose and will. The Spirit would never allow you to do that.
The Spirit has aided many a great man to teach His Word. Walter Martin is one, since you believed his words. There is many great men that God uses.
---Mark_V. on 7/22/12


francis, I do understand what you are saying, but keep in mind the letters in Revelation.

God gives the Hidden manna to those who overcome.

Those difficult things are not things that are not in scripture.

Yes, God revealed so much to Paul, for one, the Church, and how that was something VERY DIFFICULT for a Christian Jew to understand at that time...that Christians were not the New Israel for one, and that those promises to earthly Israel were not to the Church.

We can see now how difficult those THINGS were to Peter, who, in Galatia still didn't get it, and sided in appearance with the Judaizers and separated himself, causing Paul to become outraged.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/12




kathr4453 on 7/20/12

I can agree with you up to a point

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

even saved people do not teachers, because soem of the thngs in the bible are not easily understood
---francis on 7/21/12


Phil, interestingly we LEARN throught the things we suffer. So "Learn" here, is personal knowledge, not head knowledge.

Jesus prayed in John 17, that we may KNOW thee. Know here is not head knowledge

Sanctified through thy WORD is again "Living and Powerful and sharper than a two edge sword, piercing between soul and spirit joint and marrow.

Sorry but Calvin is a dead man who was not called to be an Apostle or author of any of scripture.

That's not pride Phil, that's just a FACT.

God is a rewarder of those who SEEK HIM!

James 1..and if we need wisdom "ASK GOD" who gives to all men liberally, asking IN FAITH...

I guess I was never a double minded man!
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12



---francis on 7/20/12


francis, I would agree up to a point. Timothy said that BEFORE the New Testament was put together. So at that time, yes, it was word to mouth, letter to church. NOW we have the Word of God, complete from Genesis to Revelation that any human being can read and understand if SAVED.

The unsaved can surely understand parts, however, God actually speaks to US His Children through His Word.

I don't need an interpreter. The Holy Spirit does that. Just like I don't need to know God's comfort by YOUR arms around me, I can actually know and feel God's arms around me.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


---kathr4453 on 7/20/12 "We have no need for anyone to teach us MarkV, because we are taught by the Holy Spirit. 1St John makes that perfectly clear."

I once believed this concerning myself. I resolved many a discussion with others wielding this passage. A sword and shield in one.

Then I thought, What place then Ephesians 4?

Looking back, I see devout men and women of God have aided me throughout my walk.

I was humiliated, being made aware of my arrogance . I no longer carry that weapon, and Light has one less obstruction.
---Phil on 7/20/12


If anyone offers you ANOTHER BOOK and tells you you must read that in order to understand scripture RUN, it's a CULT!

We have no need for anyone to teach us MarkV, because we are taught by the Holy Spirit. 1St John makes that perfectly clear.

---kathr4453 on 7/20/12

usualy you are right, but not in this case:
2 Timothy 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
---francis on 7/20/12


I've always appreciated what Walter Martin said:

If anyone offers you ANOTHER BOOK and tells you you must read that in order to understand scripture RUN, it's a CULT!

We have no need for anyone to teach us MarkV, because we are taught by the Holy Spirit. 1St John makes that perfectly clear.

You claim the Holy Spirit saved you, but in the same breath admit He never taugtht you.

That should concern you.

The Sovereignty of God has to direct you to man to teach you?? Not so MarkV.

You've been duped by some strange spirit, but it's Not God's Spirit.

I don't resent you MarkV, I'm sad for you. Because you have allowed that strange spirit to control you to hurt others, and you don't even know it.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


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Kathr, I still do not resent you one bit. You cannot help who you are. In two months I read two books on Christology by by writers quoting Calvin, and learned a lot from the writers on how Calvin taught Christology. I those books they spoke of Calvin's institutes so I was hoping they would help you. I have no time to read the institutes, I have the Bible in front of me to answer you.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/12


Elder, like once before, you busted in admitting you never read the blog, but felt the need to add your two cents anyway.

Satan is the Father of LIES. Yet how often MarkV has called others here and accused them of Satan being their father, because only HIS CALVIN TRUTH is truth and we are all liars.....

And WHERE WERE YOU THEN?Swimming from one blog to another making FUNNIES?

Oh, and I see too, even YOU are accused of being rude to others here. JamesL for starters on the Lottery thread??

Oh now you want to say what to that....???? What??? What excuse for that??? Oh Something about JamesL???????

I read it Elder, you were rude, arrogant and everything he accused you of being.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


"MarkV, WHEN you can really humble your self and take correction WITHOUT the sarcasm and snipes and last word of hatefulness, then and only then will I actually believe you are saved.."
kathr4453
Here it is again. The same type statement Eloy made over and over again. Now, you, kathr have taken on that persona. Let's see how well you take honest correction. Or you can "snipe" at me again as you did before.
Plus, where does anyone get the "spiritually" on here to tell anyone they are not Saved?
---Elder on 7/19/12


Shira, thanks for your words.
First, I'm not a Calvinist. Never had any material from Calvin until two months ago. ------Mark_V. on 7/16/12



Actually MarkV, you just made my day!

Already an EXPERT on teh Institutes of Calvin in 2 months??? You spend 8 hrs or more here on line, and what, stay up all night studying the Institures of Calvin? Your poor wife? To be married to a pathological liar must be really hard for her.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/12


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Kathr, I do not resent you one bit even though you don't tell one half of the Truth but try your best to strip the very deity of Jesus Christ. I just bring it to your attention. Maybe what you should have studied was the Calvin institutes. Since you are already a two degree Calvinist, you got to parts of the Tulip already. Go for it Kathr, make my day.
---Mark_V. on 7/19/12


Well, I resent anyone who takes half a sentence in scripture twisting it all out of proportion to CORRECT others, when he in fact needs to correctly read and understand God's Word.

Too bad Markv wasn't born during teh time of Constantine where he could legally murder anyone who failed to take his correction.

I'm so grateful we've come a long way since then and the only correction we are required to take is that of the Lord.

It's so wonderful not to be under the thumb of the Pope or Calvin or MarkV. FREE WILL, free of conscience free of the BEAST, OVERCOMERS...hehehe!!
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


\\What I do, do, is to expose your accusations and false doctrines.\\

I do that with you all the time, but you seem to resent it. Why?

I should think you would WANT to be told the truth and instructed in righteousness.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/18/12


Gee wiz I really wish people could read, CLUNY it was MarkV who said that....not me.

Just think of all the fights here on line that would never take place at all if people would just READ the threads and not just skim over a word here or there and post their stupidity.

No Cluny, men don't remind anyone of their humility..that's PRIDE!
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


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Cluny to avoid confusion, please use the posers name with the quote that posted.



---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


Kathr, I am humble all the time. ---Mark_V. on 7/18/12


OK then, it's time to turn off the Twilight Zone and get out my Winky Dink game board.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


\\Kathr, I am humble all the time. \\

And your reminding people of it is by no means a sign that you are proud of your humility, either. Right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/18/12


Kathr, I am humble all the time. What I do, do, is to expose your accusations and false doctrines. So that others can read the Truth. If you did not accuse me of so much, you would have one humble answer always. I humbly and kindly answer all others, even when I disagree. But that is not possible with you.
Listen to the question above.
"Why are there so many people who claim to be people of God, yet they defend false teachers, and are hostile towards those who share God's Truth?"
Why are you so hostile when all I want to do is share the Word of God? I gave you peace a few years ago, and all I got from you was more hostility. Never peace.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12


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My apologies. I thought Watchtower David was, well, you.
---Marc on 7/17/12

Marc
Gratefully accepted!
---David on 7/18/12


David, you give a great passage in (Romans 6:16) which I have read many times which gives a clear reason why man does not have a free will. They are slaves to sin or of obedience which leads to righteousness
But obedience only leads to righteousness, it does not save us.
To be acceptable to God we must present to God a life of perfect and unceasing obedience to His will, and no one can. The Gospel declares that Jesus has done this for us. For God to be righteous He must deat with our sin. This also He has done for us in Jesus. The imputed righteousness of Christ is what leads us to salvation. Not our own righteousness.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12


David,

My apologies. I thought Watchtower David was, well, you. I thought David may have forgotten his numbers (I mean, JWs are always forgetting or getting their numbers wrong, as in 1914, 1925, or was the earth coming to an end in 1975 etc etc). So...grovel, grovel, grovel...my apologies.
---Marc on 7/17/12


MarkV, WHEN you can really humble your self and take correction WITHOUT the sarcasm and snipes and last word of hatefulness, then and only then will I actually believe you are saved..

Your false humility stinks!
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12


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You can always tell a false teacher by the number of phrases he uses that are not in scripture.
---CraigA on 7/16/12


You mean like: Spiritual Israel, or rebirth, or total depravity, or limited atonement ....phrases like that?

I totally agree.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12


Kathr, you are right, I put my answer incorrectly, instead of saying,

"Paul was speaking about the lost" I shouldn't have said,

" Paul was speaking to the lost. ---Mark_V. on 7/16/12"

So I will correct my mistake, thanks for checking everything I say to look for holes. Not a problem, I admit when I make a mistake.
The fact is he was speaking about the lost in (v.5) for those with an impenitent heart, like yours, which are people who are not saved.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/12


As a JW you would cherrypick and argue that way.
---Marc on 7/16/12

Marc
I am not a JW. And with 125 word limit, it's hard not to cherry pick.

It's interesting how people like you call me a JW, when you can't mount a discernable argument using clearly written scripture.
Instead you use scripture from the letters of Paul that can be molded into saying just about anything you want it to say.
---David on 7/17/12


You gave (Rom. 2:6,7) but forgot to mention Paul was speaking to the lost. ---Mark_V. on 7/16/12

Really, I always believed when Paul wrote letters to the Churches that he was writing to Christians. Why would Paul write a letter to the Lost?
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12


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Scott,

Only after a bottle of red am I a Christian ZLonist.

And I believe David's a big enough bloke to fight his own battles if he's not a heretic who works for his own salvation by, inter alia, knocking on people's doors.
---Marc on 7/17/12


Not those who are righteous through the imputation of the righteousness of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12

Imputation of righteousness?

Mark,
Paul taught that obedience leads to righteousness.
(Romans 6:16)
Dont you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey, whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience which leads to righteousness?

Another clearly written verse you will not see, even though I have just shown it to you. A verse that clearly supports what Jesus taught in the Gospels.
One that you ignore, simply because your doctrine does not support it.
---David on 7/17/12


You can always tell a false teacher by the number of phrases he uses that are not in scripture.
---CraigA on 7/16/12


Nurseroberts, if you cannot tell who they are, you are in big trouble. Many here do not know the Bible, yet speak as if they studied it. To know God, a person must have a passion for Christ and study the Word of God. But people are looking in the Bible to find passages that will support their bias believes in their denominations. That is called "theological bias"
But if people had a passion for the real Truth, the Spirit would help them know the Truth. This is a wide world website with many who do not believe in the Eternal Son of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12


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"David, As a JW..." Marc

So now everyone named "David" is a JW? = )

Is everyone named Marc a Christian ZIonist?
---scott on 7/16/12


Ok so who is the false teachers? The SDA? JW? Mormons? Fundamentalist Baptist? Catholics? Anglicans? and multiple others on this site. --NurseRobert

This is why we are supposed to have our faith between ourselves and God(Romans 14:22). So that our differences dont become a stumbling block. We arent to follow the teachings of other men. (1 John 2:26,27) I think it greatly displeases God when we do that very thing and then label ourselves according to what MAN we follow!

If people kept their doctrinal opinions to themselves and focused on living the life of Jesus Christ, there would be no division in the church.
---LindaH on 7/16/12


Ok so who is the false teachers?
---NurseRobert on 7/15/12

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

People know when their denomination is NOT teaching the law and the testimony.
People know when their denomination is not teaachng them to obey all the commandments of God

They simply go along to get along, whether it is with spouse, family of other church members
---francis on 7/16/12


Ok so who is the false teachers? The SDA? JW? Mormons? Fundamentalist Baptist? Catholics? Anglicans? and multiple others on this site.

People cannot agree on this site who is a false teacher and who isnt. Shira says if they arent teaching from the bible they are false teachers, but on this site, everyone claims they are teaching from the Bible, yet there is great disention amongst those here.
---NurseRobert on 7/15/12


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David,

As a JW you would cherrypick and argue that way. Context is everything. Paul is talking to a Jew at that point (Rom. 2:17), but then he goes on to declare, "But now the righteousness APART from the law is revealed, being revealed by the Law and the Prophets...But to him who does not work but believes on him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness." (Rom 3:21, 4:5)

David, you don't have to door-knock anymore.
---Marc on 7/16/12


David, I believe you are getting over excited with your answers? you say it's my pride, but that's not true at all, it's my love for Christ that gives me the passion to learn the Truth.
You gave (Rom. 2:6,7) but forgot to mention Paul was speaking to the lost. Since you fail to put down (v.5) and only use (v. 6,7). You went out of context. let me help you,

"But in accordance with your hardness and you impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God"
What does "Impenitent heart mean? A. a heart without repentance, remorse. Those are the lost. Not those who are righteous through the imputation of the righteousness of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12


David, I have to greatly disagree--- Mark_V. on 7/14/12

Mark
You also disagree with the clearly written teachings of Jesus Christ. So I'm not suprised you don't agree with me. For I am one who teaches according to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Prove me wrong, show me where your doctrine is suported by the teachings of Jesus Christ. You say your doctrine comes from Paul. But how can this be when Paul wrote.
(Romans 2:6-7)
God will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.


Again clearly written, but your pride keeps you in the dark. It doesn't get any clearer than that, does it?
---David on 7/15/12


If two denominations have two different doctrines, they both cannot be the teacher of truth.

Which practically mean, that if the Aglicans are teachers of truth, then all others are false teachers

If the Baptist are teachers of truth all others are false teachers

If the Catholics are teachers of truth all others are false teachers

point being of all the denominations in the world only ONE is the teacher of truth:

MANY have figured which one is the teacher of truth
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 7/15/12


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Rod, the problem is that many who claim to be Christian or not born of the Spirit. They leave the faith and come back when they wish. They defend the false teachers because they themselves don't spend the time studying. Most believe in works salvation, which is no salvation at all. Others support false teachers for the simple reason they hate you for disagreeing with them, they join sides with them, or else they jump into a blog question where you are sharing the Word of God with someone and throw arrows at you, just to let you know they have not forgotten you. Others answer but don't write your name, but want to make sure you read it and maybe you will respond to them. None of what they do is for the glory of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/12


David, I have to greatly disagree with your statement when you said,

"Satan covers the ears and the eyes of the believer with Pride."

Satan does not cover the eyes and ears of believers. He covers the eyes and ears of unbelievers. The believers have eyes to see and ears to hear. The lost don't, they are in darkness, the children of God are in the light. Pride does not come from satan, it comes from our sinful nature, which will die when we die physically. God is changing us all through our physical life, and will complete His work in "us believers" at the resurrection when we receive our new bodies prepared for eternity.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/12


Barb
Thank you for your kind words. Sorry to have missed your discussion with Mark V on Paul letters.

Just so you know, I love Paul's Epistles.
Many people take what Paul taught out of context, because Paul taught both Laws, and that's why his letters are so confusing.
The Law of Christ, the New covenant(Romans 2:6-7) and the end of the Law of Moses, the Old covenant(Romans 3).
This is what Paul was saying when he wrote, "we are not under Law, but under Grace".
Many teach Paul as saying we are under no Law.

Though we do not completely agree on this matter, I do understand your frustration with Paul's letters. And would have loved to have been in the discussion with you.
---David on 7/13/12


Amen, David. Excellent comment.
---barb on 7/12/12


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Have posted this many times yet it needs repeating.

The chapters of 2 Peter 2 and Jude deal with false teachers.

Reading these you will see that false teachers:

Seduce you with flattering words
Play to your lusts (money, sex, power)
Promise freedoms but without Christ, it is only empty promises or leading to bondage
Deny the way of truth (which is Jesus)
Through coveting and envying of others, lead you to spend more time on the flesh and less on your spirit.

If your teachers lead you to any of these ways, you need run away from them. They are false and will lead you to destruction.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/12/12


"They have eyes that can not see and ears that can not hear."
Satan covers the ears and the eyes of the believer with Pride. The reason God needs to humble a man is to remove the pride that Satan uses to blind them.

This is why when I teach someone with a false teaching, I try to use the very words of Jesus Christ to open their eyes. Because every false teaching is opposed to what Jesus taught.
And by using the light, these teachings are easily exposed, if one is willing to open their eyes. But to do this one must humble themselves.
This is why many churches teach Paul instead of Christ. Paul's words can be distorted into saying just about anything they want them to say.
---David on 7/12/12


If people teach the following things "the people of God are to walk in darkness, Christ is not the only way to God, Christ did not die on the cross, because Christ commited suicide, God cannot do anything on earth unless given permission, because God is illegal on earth".

Are these people, or are are they not FALSE TEACHERS?
---Rob on 7/12/12


scott I am an independent fundamental baptist. I try to be open when someone tells me of their faith. I have said it many times I am what I am because I believe in the whole bible as truth. some people don't believe certain things in the bible and I understand some are blinded to the truth. the truth is spiritually decerned. I don't hate anyone because they are another faith but many have ask me what I believe. trying to cut down another faith is not a good testimony, especially when you are trying to reach the heart of someone.
---shira4368 on 7/12/12


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In the last days, even the elect will be decieved. We all have to personally test all spirits, see if it lines up with the Word of God and look to see if there are good fruits.
---Living4Him on 7/11/12


the answer is so very simple. anything contrary to bible is false and who ever teaches anything that is not biblical is a false teacher. read and study to know the truth.
---shira4368 on 7/11/12


From before the disruption (foundation KJV) of the world, the Father chose in Christ, some who would be called and justified by faith in His Son.

He is glorifying those He justified. The true sons of God must bear persecution and perils of false brethren in order to reach the place presdesignated for them.

Not all are called and elect. Within Christendom are many false ones, even though sincere.

The mustard tree has many branches and fowls of the air.
---Phil on 7/11/12


No one should support a false teacher or false doctrine.

What may happen is that one may support a true doctrine, even if it is taught by a person who generally teaches things which is not true.

Best practice: Do not support people who speak contrary to the law and the testimony

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because there is no light in them.

Best practice: Do not support people who speak contrary to the commandments and the testimony

Revelation 12:17 the remnant: they which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
---francis on 7/11/12


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you-being a general person
There are two extremes complete unity (you follow all people)or complete fundamentalist (you follow only people who are exactly like you). Finding the middle ground is hard. There is so much hate between christians of different theologies that are both biblical but different. For example T.D. Jakes who is a great pastor and teacher even though I do disagree with him sometimes is not a false teacher. Different theologies that are biblical is not a bad thing but people tend to see wolfs (false teachers) everywhere. The backlash comes from people who do not want to see wolves around every corner so they welcome all teachers. James MacDonald who did the Elephant Room is gotten tons of flak from doing that show.
---Scott1 on 7/11/12


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