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Phil, The ultimate fate of those who take the mark of the Beast is the same ultimate fate for ALL of the Damned. That fate is the eternally existing Lake of Fire. It's not that complicated. I know about this, because I HAVE done my research and studying of the Scriptures and the revelation of GOD.
---Gordon on 8/5/12


Jerry6593, No, it's actually that you're clinging to a religious organization's (erroneous) interpretation of Scripture, concerning what happens to the soul at death, and regarding Eternal Damnation. It'd be wiser to search the Scriptures, before GOD, for yourself, because you're being misled by a Church Denomination's misunderstanding of these Issues. They've believed and taught it for hundreds of years. More than likely blindness and spiritual pride will not allow this to change.
---Gordon on 8/5/12


..What is called regeneration. Mark_V. on 8/4/12

Jn 3:3 If anyone should not be begotten anew, he can not perceive the kingdom of God."

G1080 gennao to procreate
born again

2C 5:17 So that, if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation
G2937 ktisis original formation. New creation.

My choice? I'll have the new, thank you.

You may have the regenerated flesh, as will the Lord's disciples. Raised to life, back into flesh, serving the Lord with new minds, and His laws written on their hearts.

I prefer a heavenly body, like His, in and among the celestials, and incorruptible.

Right division of the word of God is required of the faithful.
---Phil on 8/5/12


Francis, You get Verses from the Bible, but, you don't know what they really mean. REVELATION 14:11 states that THE SMOKE OF THEIR TORMENT ASCENDETH UP FOR EVER AND EVER AND THEY HAVE NO REST DAY OR NIGHT.
---Gordon on 8/3/12

There are only three that suffer this fate, temporarily, til night and day cease.

You err in two ways. You do not read the text, and you fail to be faithful and true by refusing to check the scrptures when asked by others of the faith. You need to examine yourself.
---Phil on 8/5/12


Gordon: "The soul is a separate entity from the physical body!"

Once again, you offer pagan Greek Gnostic teaching, but no substantiating Scripture. The Bible says that the soul (person, living being) is created by the conjoining of the body (dust) and the breath of life from God.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man BECAME a living soul.

At death, the process is reversed, and the "soul" returns to the state it was before its creation - unconscious non-existence.

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.


---jerry6593 on 8/4/12




"Jesus refers to what we call death as a sleep - hence He could bring back to life "dead" people..."-Fleur on 8/3/12
John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Luke 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard...the dead are raised...
Mat 17:9 ...Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.
Jesus spoke of sleep as a euphemism.
John 11:13 ...Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
How silly to base doctrines around figures of speech.
---micha9344 on 8/4/12


Phil, you said to me,

" Such phrases are not in the Bible." when I said,

"Spiritual death is separation from God...spiritually dead Mark_V." on 8/3/12

You reminded me of a fellow name Necodemus who seem to feel just like you do.
"Necodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old?" "can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born? (John 3:4).

Like Necodemus you have no clue why a person has to be born of the Spirit. Because he is dead in the spirit. A Person needs to be made spiritually alive to God by God. What is called regeneration. I will wait to see what you have to say, I promise I will not be shocked this time.

---Mark_V. on 8/4/12


Jesus refers to what we call death as a sleep - hence He could bring back to life "dead" people
The dead know nothing - this is in a few places in our Bible
We also know that this life is it. We will be judged on what we did with Jesus and His gift of life - restoring friendship between God and humanity
Either we accept the gift and eventually live with Jesus forever - or we pay the penalty for sin ourselves and die forever
The Bible teaches these are the only choices and none other
---Fleur on 8/3/12


Gordon on 8/3/12
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death ( not eternal life in fire)

Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

I am 100% sure that the ETERNAL FIRE of Sodom has long goneout.

I am 100% sure that the results are eternal
---francis on 8/3/12


Death lasts long time. Try enjoy life now.
---Hamid on 8/3/12




Francis, You get Verses from the Bible, but, you don't know what they really mean. REVELATION 14:11 states that THE SMOKE OF THEIR TORMENT ASCENDETH UP FOR EVER AND EVER AND THEY HAVE NO REST DAY OR NIGHT.
---Gordon on 8/3/12


Francis, You nor Jerry understand what the "death of the soul" really is.
---Gordon on 8/3/12

Jerry and I get our information from the bible

Do you have something other than these in your bible:

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die
---francis on 8/3/12


Jerry6593, You've been given Scripture before, concerning these issues on Eternal Damnation but, you've either ignored them or explained them away through mis-understanding. For example, regarding those human beings who are cast alive into the Lake of Fire, in REVELATION 14:11 "And the SMOKE of their Torment ascendeth up FOR EVER AND EVER: and they have NO REST...DAY NOR NIGHT, who worship the Beast and his Image..." All of the Damned shall be cast into this Lake of Fire. Nevertheless, WHERE THERE IS SMOKE--THERE IS FIRE! That's just GOD's common Law of nature. The clue is that Because the smoke will ascend up throughout Eternity, thus will the Fire that'll be producing that smoke be burning Forever! Spiritual Wisdom and Godly Logic.
---Gordon on 8/3/12


There is not one single scripure that says the soul lives on after a person has died
---francis on 8/3/12

What about this one?

Rev 6:9 "When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/3/12


Francis, You nor Jerry understand what the "death of the soul" really is. It's a stripping of all things Good from the soul and WORSE. The soul is left without meaning and purpose with Torments added! Without Love or relationships! The soul is a separate entity from the physical body! When the body expires, GOD does not leave the soul to sit in a rotting corpse! At the body's expiration, the soul goes to it's appropriate TEMPORAL ABODE until the Day of resurrection and Judgment. I know what the Adventists teach, I went to grade school at one. I know their doctrines. They are right about the 10 Commandments and the Sabbath. But, the are WRONG regarding the facts of Eternal Damnation. Do some research OUTSIDE of the Adventist' doctrines!
---Gordon on 8/3/12


Spiritual death is separation from God...spiritually dead Mark_V. on 8/3/12

Such phrases are not in the Bible.

All spirits belong to God, none are apart from Him.

Our spirits, like Adam's come from God. It is not Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit indwells believers.

Ex 28:3 spirit of wisdom, Num 5:14 spirit of jealousy 1Sa 16:15 an evil spirit from God (of all places)
1Ki 22:22 spirit of falsehood
Lk 13:11 spirit of infirmity
Jn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth
Ro 8:15 Spirit of adoption
Ro 11:8 spirit of slumber

Hb 12:9 be in subjection unto the Father of spirits.

All things are out of God, all spirits are included ( 1Cor 11:12 2Cor 5:18)

Not every spirit from God is Holy Spirit.
---Phil on 8/3/12


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Francis: You don't really expect these spiritualists to provide scriptures, do you?


---jerry6593 on 8/3/12


Phil, you said,

"When He withdraws His spirit, that one dies and is dead. There is no life apart from God's spirit indwelling. I am not speaking of Holy Spirit."

You say His Spirit indwelling us, then say you are not speaking of the Holy Spirit. What spirit are you talking about?
As believers we are always in the presence of God. Spiritual death is separation from God. Believers are not separated from God as we once were. God has drawn us to Himself. When Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord "they hid themselves" from the presence of God. The fellowship had been broken, they were spiritually dead to God. I still do not understand what Spirit of God is not the Holy Spirit?
---Mark_V. on 8/3/12


There is not one single scripure that says the soul lives on after a person has died

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall
---francis on 8/3/12


The spirit that is removed belongs to God. It is not a separate being apart from God, until perfected at the consummation.
---Phil on 8/2/12

The Apostle Paul did not believe this. In fact, he statement here would not make send it he did:

Phil 1:23-24 "For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you"

The Apostle Paul said when he departed (this body) he would be with Christ.

How can that be? How can Paul be with Christ if you say that His Spirit is withdrawn by God and Paul's soul enters oblivion? What will be reunited with Christ?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/3/12


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Mark V you're welcome,thank you it was a blessing to hear what your grandson had done. What he did took a lot of thought,effort,and frankly love of God to even want to go to that much trouble to illustrate all of that. It sounds like a very special picture from a very special child of God.
---Darlene_1 on 8/2/12


Mary, Hell and the Third Heaven are the temporary places of the Damned and the Redeemed. Since the soul lives on when the physical body dies, the souls must dwell some place while they await the final Judgment Day when all the Damned, and Satan, will be cast into the Lake of Fire to be eternally tormented. Hell is a place of torments, too, but, it's only a temporary place before that final Day. For the saved who have died, they are in the Third Heaven, in the direct Presence of the LORD, awaiting to be resurrected to live with YAHUSHUA on Earth. "Heaven", as we usually think of it, will be ON the New Earth. The Mansions of JOHN 14:1-3 are the "New Jerusalem" that comes down to the New Earth as recorded in REVELATION 21:2.
---Gordon on 8/2/12


Or you suggesting that if the spirit is not alive in a person that person is physically dead? ---Mark_V. on 7/31/12

All spirit comes from the Father of spirits. At death the spirit that animated a man, the life of God, returns to God. All life is out of God.

When He withdraws His spirit, that one dies and is dead. There is no life apart from God's spirit indwelling. I am not speaking of Holy Spirit.

There is no soul apart from a body and a spirit united. When the spirit is removed and death ensues, the soul enters oblivion, the grave, sheol, the unseen, Hades. It is not a place.

The spirit that is removed belongs to God. It is not a separate being apart from God, until perfected at the consummation.
---Phil on 8/2/12


Sister Darline, I was a little suprised by your answer concerning the Tree of life. Here is why, one day my grandson who finished seminary school, drew a picture for me. I still have it. He begin with the tree of life, the seed growing, then Adam, then the fall, then the Mosaic Cov. then the new cov. then the evil age, then the Second Coming, then the full grown tree, the glory of the second Adam, Jesus Christ. In between each part he labeled the passages and what happened inbetween each one. In the end he had the Tree fulgrown.
Kind of like something you mentioned. Thank you sister.
---Mark_V. on 8/2/12


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When a person dies, their soul and spirit leave their physical body and goes directly to either Heaven or Hell, depending on whether they belong to the LORD or not.
---Gordon on 8/1/12

SCRIPTURE PLEASE
---francis on 8/1/12


Hi Gordon, I must admit I'm confused: if we go straight to Heaven (or the other) if we die, what's the need for Jesus to come back and resurrect us all at the end? Just asking 'cause I want to know--thanks. :)
---Mary on 8/1/12


When a person dies, their soul and spirit leave their physical body and goes directly to either Heaven or Hell, depending on whether they belong to the LORD or not. At Death, the physical body is left destitute and empty. It begins the decaying process and "returns to the dust" from which it came.
---Gordon on 8/1/12


Jerry6593 your logical thoughts are only logical to you,and Revelations 22:1,2 verses were the ones I gave to prove the tree of life isn't just one tree but several of one kind,for the verses say a river of life runs down the center of the street and on each side,two sides,of the river is the tree of life. No verse that says the tree straddles the water and there's only one. You see what you give only proves things back to yourself and not to me,I've yet to see any scriptures which back up your opinion. As for our life after death it will be all good,not as a spook,but in a glorified body and whatever God chooses for me, thoughts,no thoughts or any things in between it all great with me,I trust God and yield to his love and power. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 8/1/12


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but are indeed "souls" consisting of both body and the breath of life from God.
---jerry6593 on 7/31/12

But what about our Spirit?

Jesus told Nicodemus "That which is born of flesh is flesh but that which is born of Spirit is spirit".

We who have been born of the Spirit now have a spirit component to us. We now have a body, soul, and spirit according to 1 Thes 5:23.

If you are correct that after death our soul "sleeps", what happens to our spirit?

Is it possible at death that our spirit is reunited with God?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/1/12


Bro. Phil, can you explain what death you are talking about?

"A body without a spirit is dead."

Or you suggesting that if the spirit is not alive in a person that person is physically dead? or alive physically but spiritually dead? What are you talking about?
---Mark_V. on 7/31/12


Darlene: "I believe the Bible not what anyone says it means."

I could not agree more. That is why I took the time to present a logical, scripture-based proof that we are not etherial spooks trapped in flesh as the pagan Greek Gnostics believed, but are indeed "souls" consisting of both body and the breath of life from God. As the Psalmist says:

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

I don't care what the Gnostics say, I can't conceive of bliss in ANY paradise without thoughts!


---jerry6593 on 7/31/12


Samuelbb7, what is your point? What are you trying to point out? Are you saying that the spirit of Christ did not go to the Father? That the Father did not receive Jesus spirit?
Or that man while died in the ground physically his spirit is not with God? Are you suggesting that when a born of the Spirit believer dies physically his spirit dies also? Or that when a born of the Spirit individual dies, he is not dead but asleep and so is his spirit? What is your point?
---Mark_V. on 7/29/12


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Mark since the words Soul and Spirit are two diferent words and refer to two different things they do not mean the same thing.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath 5397 of life and man became a living soul 5315.

The numbers refer to the strong concordance. Notice two different words.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/29/12


Mark_V. on 7/29/12

Notions are fine. They entertain.

Ps 31:5 Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.

I guess, by reasoning, David was also, "already with God".

Ec 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward

Ec 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

AV Hb 12:9 ...shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

A body without a spirit is dead. The soul returns from whence it came, oblivion. It has no existence apart from a body animated by the breath of God.

The spirit returns to the Owner of all spirits.
---Phil on 7/29/12


jerry6593 on 7/27/12 "Rev 22:2 does not use the word trees (plural), but rather tree(singular)"

You need an update.

G3586 xulon xoo'-lon
from another form of the base of G3582, timber

G1186 dendron den'-dron
probably from drus (an oak),
a tree.

Rev 22 does not use dendron (tree), it uses xulon, a timber or log.

This is "for the record".

Of course, "pre-existing beliefs could cloud one's objectivity.
---Phil on 7/29/12


Jerry if it makes you feel good to think all that about me help yourself but you are very wrong. I think its rather tacky and unnecessary to talk to me like that. I believe the Bible not what anyone says it means. We shall have to live a life above reproach and go to the final reward and only then will we see all as it is,no one can deny it then.
---Darlene_1 on 7/28/12


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Jerry, by your pre-conceive teachings of soul sleep you missed Jesus own words. Jesus on the cross surrendered His spirit to God. "And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, "Father, unto Your hands I commit My spirit"
(Luke 24:46) in the spirit He was already with God.
We read in (John 13:21)
"When Jesus had thus said, He was troubled in the spirit" is evidence that Christ possessed a true human body, but in the immaterial aspect specified in Scripture as being His soul and spirit. All who die, who are born of the Spirit, will give up their spirits to God to await the resurrection of the body. Your still under the law, and have not moved to the Spirit of the law.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/12


Darlene: Your pre-conceived, spiritualistic concept of death has got you thoroughly confused. How can a single tree be in the midst of a river, and on either side of it and not span that river. There is only one tree of life, only one paradise of God, only one throne of God, and all are in heaven right now. By Christ's own words, He did not go to heaven the day that the thief died on the cross. Thus, the thief is unconscious in the grave today, awaiting the resurrection (as is King David - Acts 2:29, 34). All your mental gymnastics and numerous words to the contrary will not alter those facts.


---jerry6593 on 7/28/12


Jerry6593 With due respect,I explained about how I used Paradise,its no different than saying we are going to live in heaven someday when after the judgement we will live in the New Jerusalem/Holy City which came down from heaven,but you refuse to see what I am saying. Seems you are adding something about the tree of life because no where does the Bible say it spans the river that is just your idea,all it says its on both sides of the river,not over the water. Frankly you are so very wrong,I had no pre-existing beliefs about this for I had only read it many times but never studied it,frankly it has never been that important to me because I have the faith to believe God has everything in control and I trust Him completely. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 7/27/12


Darlene: I beg YOUR pardon. You said "The Paradise of Jesus time is not the Paradise we all will finally go to after we are judged." Hence, a second, new, different Paradise exists in your mind. You also said "I gave the Bible". OK, show the scripture that documents that new Paradise.

And for the record, Rev 22:2 does not use the word trees (plural), but rather tree (singular), and indicates that this massive tree in fact spans the entire river.

Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life....

Are you beginning to see the problems you face when your pre-existing beliefs cloud your objectivity.


---jerry6593 on 7/27/12


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Jerry6593 I beg your pardon,I concocted nothing and I gave no second tree of life,I gave the Bible. Revelations 22:1,2-on each side of the river(water of life)stood the tree of life,each side means more than one tree I added nothing. God put the tree of life there and when you have a river flowing down the middle and they are on each side there has to be more than one tree. I called it Paradise and it is to me,but the proper names are Holy City,new Jerusalem Revelations 21:1,2. Many times we say one day I will live with God in heaven but actually we won't live in heaven for the Holy City,Jerusalem comes down out of heaven Revelations 21:10. Revelations 22:3 the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city. Whatever its called its for me.
---Darlene_1 on 7/26/12


Darlene: "The Paradise of Jesus time is not the Paradise we all will finally go to after we are judged."

I give you logic with scriptural backing, and you give nothing but unsupported conjecture. You have concocted your theory from what the scriptures DO NOT say, rather than what they DO say. You have also invented a second tree of life. You are smarter than that!

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall ADD unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:


---jerry6593 on 7/26/12


Jerry6593,that's OK you don't have to go slowly with me my understanding is still completely in tact. The Paradise of Jesus time is not the Paradise we all will finally go to after we are judged. Revelation 2:7 the tree of life is in the midst of the garden,nothing said about the river of life. Go to Rev.4:4,5 before the throne a sea of glass-.-standing in the center of the throne,encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. No mention of a river. Matthew 24:35 Heaven and Earth will pass away-. 2Peter 3:13 new heaven and a new earth. As I said,the Paradise of Revelation 22:1,2 river of life flows from God's throne,in heaven, down center of street with tree of life on both sides of it isn't the same as Rev.2:7 or thief's paradise.
---Darlene_1 on 7/25/12


Darlene: One more time, slowly.

The throne of God is in heaven (Mat 5:34).

The river of life flows from God's throne (Rev 22:1).

The tree of life spans this very river (Rev 22:2).

Paradise is the location of the tree of life (Rev 2:7).

Show me from scripture the fault of my logic and the truth of yours!


---jerry6593 on 7/25/12


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Jerry6593 no need to look up the verse on tree,I already know it. My "preexisting beliefs" has nothing to do with what I shared. The verse of the tree in the midst of the Garden Revelations 2:7 is for the time when Jesus was crucified and now. I say it isn't in heaven because it isn't,heaven is the place of reward and we won't be allowed in until we are judged. As I said I don't know where Paradise is located but I know this the Paradise of before judgement isn't the one after the judgement because Heaven and Earth will pass away and there is a new Heaven and Earth for us Revelations 22:1,2 tells where the water of life flows from God's throne down the middle of the street and on both sides stands the tree of life.
---Darlene_1 on 7/22/12


Jerry, you are now like all the others who resort to bashing when they cannot answer to the word of God. Speaking of spiritual things really bother you.
No to your answer. My flesh will still die one day, but I have been walking in the Spirit for over 24 years. If you did the same you too would walk in the Spirit and the truth would set you free from the Law. Once you are free you will love to speak about the Spirit of the law not the letter of the law. Jesus name will come to your lips and you won't be able to control it.
---Mark_V. on 7/22/12


MarkV: "Jerry, you are still thinking in the flesh"

Are you implying that you are no longer flesh, but a spook?

"From the time we are born of God we are spiritually seated together with Christ in the heavenly places."

Is this the place where you call Jesus a liar to His face?


---jerry6593 on 7/22/12


Jerry, you are still thinking in the flesh. The passage you gave talks about the flesh that will see Christ at the resurrection.
You are missing the spiritual eyes that comes when you are made alive to Christ. It is a spiritual birth Jerry. "..because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ by grace you have been saved, "and raised us up together, and made us seat together" in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus..." From the time we are born of God we are spiritually seated together with Christ in the heavenly places.
---Mark_V. on 7/21/12


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MarkV: "Jerry is still thinking in the flesh"

Job 19:25-26 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet IN MY FLESH SHALL I SEE GOD:


Darlene: "Paradise is not in the presence of God,its not heaven"

The Paradise of God is indeed in heaven. The river which flows from beneath God's throne flows under the tree of life in the midst of PARADISE. Look it up for yourself! Your pre-existing beliefs are clouding your objectivity.


---jerry6593 on 7/21/12


Mark V thank you for letting me know you support that,I appreciate it. Jerry6593 there is no contradiction from what Jesus told the thief and Mary. Paradise is not in the presence of God,its not heaven and Jesus merely said he hadn't yet gone to the Father. We don't know where Paradise is. Nearly all Christians know we will be judged when the Books are opened in heaven and the Book of Life is used to judge all by what they had done Revelations 20:11-13.
---Darlene_1 on 7/20/12


Sister Darline, your answer was great. I believe what jerry does not understand is that our salvation is a spiritual salvation. The moment we are born of the Spirit, we are in union with the Lord spiritually. We have immediate access to heaven. Jerry is still thinking in the flesh, that is why he believes he is in the ground asleep, waiting for his body and spirit to be with God. He also doesn't understand that once born of the Spirit, our spiritual birth never dies again. It does wait for the resurrection of the body, but we are present with the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/12


Darlene: "It still reads that day the thief would be with Jesus in Paradise."

I'm telling you TODAY that that is not correct. Otherwise, Jesus lied to Mary. When you start with a false premise, you will always wind up with contradictions.


"We'll be immortal after we have been judged and passed the test to live with God forever."

And when do you think this judgement occurs? Right at death for each person, or once and for all prior to Jesus' 2nd coming as the Bible teaches?


---jerry6593 on 7/20/12


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Why do some people want to live forever?
---Smitty on 7/18/12


Jerry6593 Yes the body dies and there is no knowledge in the grave and death is often called sleep. I've been studying the Bible for 62 years and I shall never stop. Ha ha I also hope I can be poetic at least every so often. We'll be immortal after we have been judged and passed the test to live with God forever. John 23:43 let's just take the comma out completely since all the punctuation was put in when translating was done. It still reads that day the thief would be with Jesus in Paradise. I just can't limit God and what he will do for us when we die,we are a body,soul,and spirit and only the body dies,the spirit of life goes back to God but there is still the spirit of man therefore there must be a waiting place for us.
---Darlene_1 on 7/18/12


Darlene: The Bible consistently calls death an unconscious state. Research the number of times it is referred to as sleep. It also declares that ONLY God is immortal (i.e., transcending death as a living entity).

The verse you used to imply immediate transfer to paradise changes meaning if the comma is placed after the word today, rather than before it. Otherwise, if Christ lied to the thief because He told Mary 3 days later that He had not yet ascended to heaven.

Keep studying, and wax poetic oft'.


---jerry6593 on 7/18/12


We are enveloped in death.
We clothe ourselves with death.
We shelter and warm ourselves with death.
We feed ourselves with death.
We transport ourselves with death.
How glorious will it be to finally do all these things with life.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
---micha9344 on 7/17/12


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Mary thanks for your kind words. Phil what I said isn't unbiblical it was an analogy,Jesus used them many times in his teaching. This John 15:1-25 about the vine and the branches is a one example. Jerry6593 thanks for saying what I said was poetic. As far as being unscriptural it isn't for Jesus told the thief on the cross Luke 23:43 I tell you the truth today you will be with me in paradise. Paradise is also called the Garden of God and whatever it is or where ever it is no flesh can enter Heaven therefore according to 1 Corinthians 15:50 -flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God,that means to be with Jesus he had to change the flesh for spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 is when the mortal is given immortality that is the final change.
---Darlene_1 on 7/17/12


2 Cor 5:8 and Lu 23:43 are excellent examples.

G3857 paradeisos a park, KJV: paradise.

G3772 ouranos KJV: air, heaven

Jesus went to Hades for three days, immediately after death, not paradise.

The thief's confession of faith ensures his entrance into the Kingdom on earth to come, which will be glorious and future. The Lord and the thief died and entered Hades, only our Lord returned.

Paul also speaks of a certain future event, our being changed at His coming. The dead believers will be roused to join the living to meet Him in clouds. He knew this was true for all believers, thus to die, or be absent from the body, eventuates in our change into His image to be with Him for the ages. It is future.
---Phil on 7/17/12


\\Trey: "Soul sleeping is heresy!"

Are you calling Jesus a heretic?\\

And where does Jesus say that Lazarus's SOUL was sleeping, jerry? Please be specific.

"Sleep" was often used as a euphemism for death, and it still happens today.

Actually, to be honest, SDAs don't believe in soul sleep, but rather soul extinction.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/12


You begin to die when you begin to allow an ideology make your decisions for you.
---Smitty on 7/17/12


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Trey: "Soul sleeping is heresy!"

Are you calling Jesus a heretic?

Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth, but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
---jerry6593 on 7/17/12


At death:
Paul says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord! - 2 Cor 5:8 (By the way, keep it all in context. Don't bend the scriptures to make them say what you want.)
Christ said to the thief on the cross:
Lu23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
BTW - Paradise is heaven - 2nd Cor 12: 2-4.
Our spirit and soul go to be with God (not sleeping in the grave) Rev 6:9.
Soul sleeping is heresy!
Jer6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
---trey on 7/16/12


Death is our life taken away & we cease to exist until the ressurection. We'll have no memory of what the living is doing.
---womandisciple on 7/14/12


Hi Darlene, I love your explaination!! :) That is so true--and so cool! God bless, Mary
---Mary on 7/13/12

so true- yet, so unbiblical. How can anyone know anything without God's Word, I don't know.
---Phil on 7/14/12


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Ps 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Ps 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of You, In the unseen, who shall acclaim You?

Isa 38:18 For the unseen is not acclaiming You, nor is death praising You, and those descending into a crypt are not looking forward to Your truth.

Lk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

1C 15:20 . But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Gn 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Resurrection rouses us from"sleep". We will be changed!
---Phil on 7/14/12


Paul says Christians who have died are "those who sleep in Jesus." (1 Thessalonians 4:14) I'd say he means "death" for a Christian is some kind of sleep, and so the person is not really dead with no life, at all.

Generally, death means a state of no longer being alive in a certain realm. If you are dead to sin, for example, you no longer live in sin. But you can be very active in love.

So, I can see that "those who sleep in Jesus" are no longer alive in this life, but could be very active elsewhere . . . except it says their sleeping is "in Jesus" (but not "in the grave"!!). But you can do a lot of things in your sleep, in dreams (c: God is not limited to how we can understand this!
---willie_c: on 7/14/12


Darlene: Your butterfly analogy is poetic, but alas, unscriptural. Our "change" comes at the resurrection at the 2nd coming of Jesus.

1Co 15:51-54 Behold, I shew you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


---jerry6593 on 7/14/12


Hi Darlene, I love your explaination!! :) That is so true--and so cool! God bless, Mary
---Mary on 7/13/12


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Death is our metamorphosis,just as the butterfly goes from a caterpillar to a butterfly,we go from a physical body to a spiritual one.
---Darlene_1 on 7/13/12


Death is separation.

Physical death is separation from the body.

Spititual death is ETERNAL separation from GOD.
---Rob on 7/13/12


"What is death?" A cessation of life
---Josef on 7/13/12


micha9344 on 7/12/12
I don't get it.

What does Rom 16:17 and 1Ti 4:1 have to do with the topic?

Is there a hidden edification factor here that is escaping me? I can be pretty dense at times....
---Phil on 7/13/12


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according to francis' interpretation, when one kills the body, the soul also perishes.
This is simply not so.
---micha9344 on 7/12/12

This is not according to francis, but according to God:

Ezekiel 18:4 the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

You have simply confused the word SOUL with the word SPIRIT

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Life ( THE SOUL) is the body of man with the spirit of God

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Death is the seperation of the spirit of God from the body of man
---francis on 7/13/12


Mat10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
--according to francis' interpretation, when one kills the body, the soul also perishes.
This is simply not so.
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,
---micha9344 on 7/12/12


Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Life is the body of man with the spirit of God

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Death is the seperation of the spirit of God from the body of man
---francis on 7/12/12


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