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What is the definition of (GODHEAD ) in Colossians 2:9?

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YAHUSHUA was hinting at his Deity, at his God-hood. GOD is God the Father with God the Holy Spirit and with God the Son. Three-in-ONE.
---Gordon on 7/27/12

I am understanding of your reverence. Your esteem of God and His Son is noted.

However, there is no passage in the Bible to support your claim. You must piece together passages out of context and then argue your position.

I have the plain declaration of God for your use:

1C 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

No explanation is needed where faith apprehends.
---Phil on 7/27/12


Further to Gordon:

That in Him the fulness of deity dwelt bodily, I fully agree, as that is what the Writings say. Possessing attributes of deity does not make one The Deity.

It is the relationship between Father and Son that is not understood.

God has no other god. Jesus has a God. He said so. God cannot have a god. Jesus was not and is not the One true God. He is begotten of God, He is our Lord.

Jn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

100% deity, 100% man. The Mediator, Christ Jesus.
---Phil on 7/27/12


Phil, As CraigA pointed out, YAHUSHUA said, in JOHN 8:58, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was I Am!" When the Son of GOD said that to the Jewish people, they knew exactly what He was trying to say to them, which is why some wanted to kill Him. He was saying that He is the "I Am" as the living God of Israel Who spoke with Moses through the Burning Bush. YAHUSHUA was hinting at his Deity, at his God-hood. GOD is God the Father with God the Holy Spirit and with God the Son. Three-in-ONE. And all Three displayed their unique Personal Presence at YAHUSHUA's Baptism in MATTHEW 3. YAHUSHUA had to live as a common Man, even though He was God, to fulfill the Plan of Redemption.
---Gordon on 7/27/12


"Of whom is the verse referring to?" Mark_Eaton

Well, at least in these verses, the designation "King" is applied to Jehovah, the Almighty God.

Additionally (for what my 2 shekels are worth) I would add that Bible translations that have removed the divine name from where it appears in the oldest manuscripts (some 7,000 times) and replacing it with "Lord" add to a certain 'confusion of identity' in some of these cases.
---scott on 7/26/12


//<---josef on 7/14/12///--I may agree with this brother.
**********
Word of God Has No beginning or End,The spoken word reveals the invisible thought, the Living Word reveals the invisible God,Jn14(all)1Jn5(all)[...] and theses three agree.

Jn1:1Was:en (all-ready pre-existent)vs3

En-be or remain, being or remaining -within-the idea of rest and continuance

Matt 10:16
Behold, I send you forth as sheep (in) [en] the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Matt 14:2
And said unto his servants, This is John the Baptist, he is risen from the dead, and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves (in) [en] him.

Gen 1:1Brshyth: Inbeginning
---char on 7/26/12




Gordon on 7/26/12
Jehovah God, or YEHUSHUA as you use it, was the God at the Mount, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of all theophanies.

He is Israel's God, the Logos, the Expression, the channel of the Father to reveal Himself to mankind.

It is right that Holy Spirit records, "and God was the word." John, writing to Jews, speaks of the God of Israel's history, Jehovah.

To them, in deed and in fact, their Deity was the Logos.

Christ Jesus is deity to us. He is the Father's Express visible Image (Hb 1:3) There is only One God, the God of our Lord Jesus Christ. He has begotten a Son for us. He that sees the Son sees the Father.
---Phil on 7/26/12


1 Tim 1:17 "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God,
Mark_Eaton on 7/25/12

I stand corrected. Thank you Mark. There is only one King of the ages. His God and Fathers' rule and reign will have no such delegated authority, for none is higher than the Most High God.

The ages, or eons, are limited periods of duration. They are not "forever". Each has is purpose for humanity.

Thank you again for putting things back into the light.
---Phil on 7/26/12


Phil, As I quoted before, JOHN 1:1-14, therein it says that "In the Beginning was the Word...and the Word was God. All things were made by Him (the Word)...And the Word was made Flesh and dwelt among us (the Word, the Son "YAHUSHUA"/"JESUS")..."In MATTHEW 3:16-17 "And, YAHUSHUA, when He was baptized...and, lo, the Heavens were opened...He saw the (Holy) Spirit of GOD descending like a Dove...And, lo, a Voice FROM HEAVEN, saying, 'This is My beloved Son...!" Rhetorical question: Was YAHUSHUA doing ventriliquism by throwing His Voice from Heaven as He was down below being baptized???
---Gordon on 7/26/12


Mark E, it is impossible to discuss Scripture concerning Jesus Christ and His offices through history with heretics. Heretics because they are not of the Christian faith. They attack the Person of Christ in His incarnated state because they don't believe in His Godly nature. They present words from Jesus speaking to the Father and tell you, "see, He was not God." They have hardened their hearts to the Truth.
Scott threw passages with no context, thinking, "see, I'm right and your wrong." Psa. 74:12 does not speak of king. Psa. 93:1, is not saying God suddenly became king, He is the same yesterday, today and forever. Psa. 94:3 refers to Jehovah as God. Then says a king to all other gods. Not that He again became a king.
---Mark_V. on 7/26/12


Etc., etc.
---scott on 7/25/12

Thank you for your correction. Well noted and accepted.

Still, of whom is the verse referring to?
---Mark_Eaton on 7/26/12




"God is never referred to as a king..." Mark_Eaton

Psalm 74:12 "And yet God is my King from long ago, The One performing grand salvation in the midst of the earth."

Psalm 93:1 "Jehovah himself has become king!"

Psalm 95:3 "For Jehovah is a great God And a great King over all [other] gods..."

Etc., etc.
---scott on 7/25/12


Sophistry may be able to darken the word of God, but the pure in heart shall see God.
---Phil on 7/25/12

I do have a question of you.

Of whom is this verse speaking?

1 Tim 1:17 "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen"

The reason I ask is that within the five verses that preceed it, Paul is speaking of Jesus alone. Also, God is never referred to as a king, yet Jesus is referred to as a king six times in Scripture and the kingdom of God is also described as His kingdom or the kingdom of Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/25/12


Phil, It is a misunderstanding of what "ONE" means when GOD says that HE is "ONE".
--Gordon on 7/25/12

Mt 11:25 Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

1C 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things,

AV Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

Sophistry may be able to darken the word of God, but the pure in heart shall see God.
---Phil on 7/25/12


Phil, It is a misunderstanding of what "ONE" means when GOD says that HE is "ONE". HE is not saying that HE is "One Person", HE is saying that the Three Persons of the GOD-Head are ONE. All Three together form ONE Unit. Just like a human father, mother and child make up ONE FAMILY UNIT. That's why GOD said that a man should leave his parents and cleave to his wife where they two shall be ONE FLESH. The human family in it's completeness is what is made in GOD's Image. GOD's Image being a Unit of Divine Persons. It's the human family that sets the foundation for human multiplication or "breeding" in order to fulfill GOD's Command to mankind to "multiply and fill the Earth."
---Gordon on 7/25/12


phil, Strongs 2320 is used "as the state of being GOD."


G2320 "deity" differs from G2305 "divinity" as essence differs from quality or attribute.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/12


"The Original Manuscripts read..." Phil

"...close study of the Greek Originals..."
Phil

We have very old Greek NT apographs (copies) but, to date, no autographs (originals) have been discovered.
---scott on 7/24/12


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Colossains 2:9 offers no definition.br>
The word "godhead" is derived from heathen language. It is used for the Greek words theion, theiotes, and theotetos.

The English words divine, deity and divinity are more suitable than "godhead".

1C 8:6 But to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things,
Mk 12:32 there is one God
Ro 3:30 [it is] one God
Ga 3:20 but God is one.
Ja 2:19 there is one God

It is only in creed of the sects you find more than One God.Scriptures insist "there is only One God".
---Phil on 7/24/12


Kathr4453, Well, I agree. If the Son has a Father, He ought also, then, have a Mother. That "Mother" would be (and could only be) the Holy Spirit. Think of the many descriptions and Roles of the Holy Spirit and this same Holy Spirit will be found to have motherly characteristics. But, the Canonical Scriptures are plain that YAHUSHUA is the Son and He has a Father. Read MATTHEW 3:16-17, also JOHN 3:6, and JOHN 10:30 and 38.
---Gordon on 7/24/12


\\Mark 12:6-8 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them....
He was His Son before He was sent?
Interesting...\\
---micha9344 on 7/23/12


You shouldn't try building intricate doctrines out of parables. But even if you wanted to....Jesus was here on earth, and was also baptized before He was sent.

John 2

v4 "My hour has not yet come"

v9 the headwaiter tasted the water which had become wine

v11 This BEGINNING Of His Signs Jesus Did In Cana Of Galilee, and MANIFESTED HIS GLORY, and his Disciples Believed In Him


interesting indeed...
---James_L on 7/23/12


The Logos was made flesh.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is the Word, the Logos, made flesh. Jesus is the thought of God, plan of God, mind of God, reasoning of God, Word of God, center of consciousness of God, image of God, and the specific presence of God. The deity of Jesus is all the fullness of the Godhead.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Since the Deity of Jesus is all the fullness of the Godhead, the Logos must be all the fullness of the Godhead.
---kathr4453 on 7/23/12


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kathr4453 on 7/23/12
"I believe as scripture tells us, THE WORD was made flesh. And scripture tells us THE WORD was God and IS God."

The Original Manuscripts read:
Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word.

The word "was" [G2258 en], was used by Holy Spirit, not the word "is" (G2076)

This passage does not say Jesus Crist "is" God. That may be inferred elsewhere, but not here.

Also, G2258 follows the word theos, deity, making it "God was the word.", not, "the word was God."

It is only by close study of the Greek Originals that creedism can be dispelled, and light may shine.
---Phil on 7/23/12


"And the Word (God) was MADE FLESH, and DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld His Glory, the Glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN OF the Father,) full of Grace and Truth." The Word is the Son of the Father made Flesh, as a Man. That is YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST).
---Gordon on 7/23/12

I don't see where you get , the Word WAS the Son of the Father who was then made flesh.

Who then "was" The Son's Mother?

OR, was The Word made Flesh a Son when He was made Flesh and Mary was His Mother. Was Mary His Mother in eternity past? The Mother of God..Queen of Heaven?
---kathr4453 on 7/23/12


Kathr4483, YAHUSHUA (a/k/a JESUS CHRIST) is the Word. And, as you saw, JOHN 1:1 says that the Word was in the Beginning, and that Word was with GOD, and that same Word WAS God (and still is). So, yes, the Word is God. But, in that same Chapter of JOHN 1, it clues us in as to Who that Word is. Verse 14 says "And the Word (God) was MADE FLESH, and DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld His Glory, the Glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN OF the Father,) full of Grace and Truth." The Word is the Son of the Father made Flesh, as a Man. That is YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST).
---Gordon on 7/23/12


Mark 12:6-8 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son. But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir, come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours. And they took him, and killed [him], and cast [him] out of the vineyard.
He was His Son before He was sent?
Interesting...
---micha9344 on 7/23/12


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I believe as scripture tells us, THE WORD was made flesh. And scripture tells us THE WORD was God and IS God.

I also love 1st John 1...John says "we handeled the WORD of Life". Even the apostle John addressed Him as "The Word".

MarkV has called me name upon name because I believe this. He has lied from blog to blog that I don't believe in the Son of God. I sure do. John 1 DOES NOT SAY, " And the Son was made flesh" God didn't say that, therefore to INSIST on something not found in scripture and call anyone who will not bend the knee to MarkV's intrpretation as the ABSOLUTE TRUTH is calling MarkV God Himself. The ONLY ABSOLUTE TRUTH is God.
---kathr4453 on 7/23/12


John, if you actually READ the blog here, you will see MarkV was teh one who turned it around posting the Son of Man. No one was even discussing that particular TITLE of Jesus to begin with. MarkV was trying to prove teh Son of God existed prior to His Incarnation and used teh WRONG scripture to back it up.

You see, there is no scripture to prove any Son of God preexisted prior to His incarnation. To try and slip one in, just didn't work.

You John are bring confusion here.
Why, because we have just one more who can't read, or didn't read the context.

Did MarkV ask you to defend him? Since he hasn't come back to defend his own post.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/12


john, shame on you, no one knows anothers heart, Jesus did not judge man that is Gods job, you do not know anyones heart, if you feel they are misquoting something then show them the Way. as soon as you show anger you are losing the most important battle of someones life here on earth.
God bless you
---colleen on 7/22/12


I'm not a RCC ,but I have their bible & the definition they use( & I agree with) is this"because in Christ alone will they have access to God,the deity" So we see through Jesus Christ, Gods son, we have access to his father the only true God.
---womandisciple on 7/22/12


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Kathren, you turn the name of Jesus upset down with your questions, bringing confusion to his name. It does not matter what someone answers you turn it around somehow as you did the Son of man. Using different ways to bring doubt to his name.
---John on 7/22/12


Kathren, you are a heretic for sure. All the names given to Jesus Christ you have attacked. Do you not feel shame? His preincarnation names, and His incarnation names. And because you are a Jew, you believe you will be save, think again.
---John on 7/19/12

Not so John, but the opposite. I understand the Names, TITLES Given to Jesus.

Son of Man who comes down from Heaven is the Glorified Christ that was first crucified. That is referring to His second Coming, of which the Jews did understand "THAT TITLE".
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


--- All the names given to Jesus Christ you have attacked. Do you not feel shame? His preincarnation names, and His incarnation names. And because you are a Jew, you believe you will be save, think again.
---John on 7/19/12


And again you are correct, these are NAMES GIVEN TO JESUS.

He shall be called the Son of God...absolutely correct John.

BUT we need to remember who HE IS...He is the WORD made flesh, God in the Flesh, therefore we need to make sure we don't take those names Given to Him or Titles Given to Him and REDUCE Him to someone less than God because we confuse HIM with TITLE or Name.

Another TITLE or Name given is Son of David...

Each name has a deep meaning behind it.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


AAAAAHHH! Christ is the Son of David....They understood...that meant MESSIAH!

Mark 12:34-36
34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?

36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


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Kathren, you are a heretic for sure. All the names given to Jesus Christ you have attacked. Do you not feel shame? His preincarnation names, and His incarnation names. And because you are a Jew, you believe you will be save, think again.
---John on 7/19/12


If Jesus was born here on Earth, where is the Earthly father?
Such nonsense, you say, but still ask about an eternal mother.
Jesus, the Lamb of God, prepared and known before the foundation of the earth, the Son of God, the Word begotten (brought forth) from God, the internal made external not to return to Him void, has always been Who He is.
The fact that He became flesh and dwelt among us does not change Who He is, was, and always will be.
---micha9344 on 7/19/12


So if JESUS is the eternal SON
Where is his eternal MOTHER.
---JAmie_draper on 7/19/12
Galatians 4:26 Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
---francis on 7/19/12


So if JESUS is the eternal SON
Where is his eternal MOTHER.
---JAmie_draper on 7/19/12


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so is Jesus an Angel? And Neb actually KNOWS what God looks like? NOPE keep reading..

Next verse:


Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God, abideth a priest continually.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
-manifested-revealed,shown, made visible.
John 8:56-58
The eternal Son of God
---micha9344 on 7/18/12


Here Jesus is telling those who do not believe as you,
"If I had told you earthly thing and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven."
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12


WOW, now you are saying the SON OF MAN? Not the Eternal son of God?

So you actually do believe like Mormons Jesus was a MAN in Heaven, before He came down from Heaven.

SO in conclusion MarkV has no earthly idea what Jesus meant when He said that. OR MarkV IS MORMON!
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


James, I do not believe it is hard to answer your questions. You want Scripture that indicates He came from heaven and did not become the Son?

"For God did not sent His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:17)

Jesus words,
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do my Own will, but the will of the Father who sent Me.."

Here Jesus is telling those who do not believe as you,
"If I had told you earthly thing and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven."
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12


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\\(Hebrews 1:5) is speaking of Jesus humanity, not His deity.\\
---Mark_V

Prove your case with scripture, not merely with empty assertions. If you take the time to read Psalm 2, you will see that after this declaration of the Son, it says "Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your INHERITANCE. And the very ends of the earth as Your POSSESSION (Ps 2:8)
---James_L on 7/18/12


John 8 v 58, Colo. 2 v 9, Rev. 22 v 13. Jesus Is The Alpha & Jesus Is The Omega.
---Lawrence on 7/18/12


Again John 1 does not say,

in the beginning was the Eternal Son, and the Eeternal Son was With God and the Eternal Son was God and the Eternal Son was made Flesh and dwelt among us.

So MarkV tell us when that day was that God BEGOT Jesus Christ.

You say, the day God pulled Him out of His Bosom? So then when was the Holy Spirit pulled out of God's Bosom?
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


James L, your arguments are all wrong, unless you are a Jehovah Witness, then they support your view.
(Hebrews 1:5) is speaking of Jesus humanity, not His deity. He was always the Son in His diety. He came from Heaven and is preexistent. In His humanity he became a son just like all of us are His sons. He is the Father of all men. And the two passages you gave concerning (Heb. 11:17) do not change the fact that Abraham had other sons, Ismael was first, but Isaac was the only begotten because he was the only one of the Promise the same as Jesus was in His humanity.
Psalm 2:7) had already told us the same thing Hebrews does.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12


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5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

If Mark WOULD learn to READ, the "question mark" is not questioning WHEN He became a Son, but the "QUESTION MARK" is taking the WHOLE sentence into account of which the Question is. WHAT Angel have I ever said this to??????????

You really have to be careful with MarkV, READING every word of Scripture that he tweeks here and there,changing the entire meaning, that HE FAILED TO MENTION.

This is what false teachers,Heretics OR ILLITERATE people do. And when called out of it. WATCH the screaming and cussing that follows!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


James L, you gave (Heb. 1:5) and no explanation.\\
---Mark_V.

You're exactly right. That's because I asked why does it say TODAY ???

And why, also in Hebrews 1:5, does it say I "WILL BE" a Father to Him and He "WILL BE" a Son to Me


\\...Christ is the Begotten of God in the sense that no other is\\

I agree. Christ is the only HEIR. But He is not ashamed to call us brothers (Hebrews 2:11)


...Isaac (Heb. 11:17), who was not literally the only begotten of Abraham\\
---Mark_V.

Wrong again.
You need to read Genesis 15:1-4 and Genesis 22:12-18
---James_L on 7/17/12


James L 2: You also asked a question,

"Why was this not proclaimed at Jesus' birth ???"

I don't know why the writers of the Gospels did not mention those words, but this was proclaimed by the Psalmist in (Ps. 2:7) but any writer could have quoted the same thing they just didn't until the writer of Hebrews did.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/12


James L, you gave (Heb. 1:5) and no explanation. The first words indicate that Jesus was His Son. (Thou art My Son) indicating Jesus is His Son not that He became a Son at that moment. Then says
"This day have I begotten thee?" question mark. The thought is clearly that Christ is the Begotten of God in the sense that no other is. This is used of the same word in regard to Isaac. (Heb. 11:17), who was not literally the only begotten of Abraham but was the only begotten of Abraham in the sense that he was the promised seed, and no one else was. Christ was also the only begotten in reference to His humanity. The thought in (John 3:16) seems to be that the Son who was the only begotten from eternity past was given by the Father.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/12


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\\I totally disagree with James L\\
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12


See what happens when you hold to a neatly packaged doctrine? You can't quote any scripture saying the Son of God became flesh.

BTW, I never said Christ is not eternal. Please don't add words to insinuate that I did

?? Why does scripture say:

This is My Son...TODAY I have begotten You
I WILL BE a Father to him, and He WILL be a Son to me (Heb 1:5)

Why was this not proclaimed at Jesus' birth ???

When God promised descendants to Abraham, what was his concern? He Had No HEIR. And this was his "Only Son" even though Ishmael was born first
---James_L on 7/16/12


Well Jamie, to suggest that if Jesus wasn't a Son from eternity past is suggesting Jesus was not eternal is not a truth either. John 1 states in the beginning was the WORD and the Word was with God and the WORD was God.

Now lets try and read it MarkV's way.

In the Beginning was the Son, and the Son was with God and the Son was God.

I wonder why God chose NOT to use those words? Well, maybe because teh WORD was made Flesh, who IS GOD incarnate, not the eternal Son incarnate.

Their idea is that Jesus was begotten or Birthed in eternity past, actually says Jesus was not always in the beginning with God.


THIS DAY have I begotten thee suggest a specific time. So when was THAT DAY Jesus was Begotten?
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12


Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Jamie, also read closely the verse above....does it say A SON or THE SON?

I believe we can see here that at the time of His Birth throught the virgin Mary is THAT DAY the WORD was Begotten resulting in a Son, and the ONLY begotten Son of God.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/12


Jamie, I totally disagree with James L that Jesus was not always the Son. He never became a Son or create a Son, as the Father has always been the Father and the Spirit always the Spirit. He was always the Son of God. Jesus is not only called the Word, but so many other names, which does not exclude Him from been the Son. There is three Persons in the Godhead, not two persons a Word, or two Persons and a lamb, but three Persons, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of the eternity of the Son of God is the most important doctrine of Christology as a whole because if Christ is not eternal then He is a creature who came into existence in time and lacks the quality of eternity and infinity which characterizes God Himself.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12


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God did not send His Word into the world to become His Son, He sent His Son into the world.
Jesus was known as His Son even before He was known as Jesus.
God is not bound by time. If we were known before the foundation of the Earth, then so also was the Son.
Isa 9:6 ...everlasting Father...
There was not a time in eternity when God was not the Father, nor the Word was not the Son.
Psa 2:7 ..This day...
The Son internal eternal.
The Son begotten (brought forth) external, yet always internal.
John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.
---micha9344 on 7/16/12


Jamie,

A biblical understanding of the Trinity will fall way short of a neatly packaged doctrine.

Jesus was not always the Son, and there isn't any scripture that can support the notion. Because "Son" does not denote nature. Instead, it denotes His position as God's Heir. Jesus is the WORD of God made flesh, not the Son of God made flesh.

Our word Spirit is the Greek word "Pneuma" which means air, breath, wind

God speaks (Word) and creates it
God breathes (Pneuma) and gives it life

The fulness of Deity (mind, word, and life) dwells in Jesus
---James_L on 7/16/12


What is the definition of persons
Also is persons found in the bible in
reference to the Godhead
---Jamie_draper on 7/16/12


The GOD-Head is the Unit of the Three Divine Persons: Father, Holy Spirit and Son. It's that simple, and it's not complicated. It can be extrapolated upon, but, it's that in a nutshell.
---Gordon on 7/16/12


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Thank you Josef
---Jamie_draper on 7/15/12


Jamie, the answer to all of your unanswered questions below is Yes.
---josef on 7/15/12


Jamie, the 125 word limit is hard to explain the Godhead. Here is the context of (Col. 2:9) "The fullness of the Godhead" refers to Christ possessing the fullness of the divine nature and attributes (1:19) where it says,
"For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell" and in (John 1:14) "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory..".
"Bodily" In Greek philosophical though, matter was evil, spirit was good. Thus it was unthinkable that God would ever take on a human body. Paul refutes that false teaching by stressing the reality of Christ's incarnation. Jesus was not only fully God, but fully human as well (Phil. 2:5-11).
---Mark_V. on 7/15/12


"What is the definition of (GODHEAD)"
"God was manifest in the flesh, [and] justified in the Spirit." For
"God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself"
---josef on 7/14/12


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Now compare those three who are ONE God to the other gods known in the world. Look at acts 17 in Athens where they have many gods, These gods all have to share power, one is god or rain, one god of harvest, another god of winter.

Jesus being part of the trinity is fully God unlike the gods of Athens. That is the context in which Godhead is used.

In these cultures where there are many gods, there is always a chief god anoung them.

Jesus is not a chief god of three, he IS GOD
---francis on 7/14/12


KJV John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was (John 1:14)

By tying in the scriptures that relate to Col 2:9 you can see the picture as explained our Lord was given full measure of the power of Gods Spirit (within the physical limitations of a fleshly man). If the Lord had the full power of the Godhead then he could not have died.

~humble follower of the Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10 1 Pet 2:21
---Follower_of_Christ on 7/14/12


1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = one

1 x 1 x 1 = one

And three Persons in union of love and relating in harmony are one.

"God is love" (in 1 John 4:8 & 16). And love needs to have more than one Person (c: And "Father" and "Son" are names of love Persons . . . family home persons. God wants us to be at home with Him, in family caring and sharing love. So, "the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (in Romans 5:5)

It is like how a home of love has more than one person of that love. It says Jesus is "the image of God", in 2 Corinthians 4:4. It's like how an image can be pure gold, but there is gold elsewhere beside being that image.
---willie_c: on 7/14/12


1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1/3 is The Father
1/3 is the Holy Ghost
1/3 Is the Word (Jesus)

You've got your math wrong, francis.

It's 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.

And you say that I'M confused?
---Cluny on 7/13/12
Ofcourse you are confused, why else would you choose to multiply?

3 bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

1 out of the 3 is the fathert( 1/3 is father)
1 out of the 3 is Holy Ghost (1/3 is Holy Ghost)
1 out of the 3 is the Word ( 1/3 is the word)

Now why multiple unless you are confused?
---francis on 7/14/12


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So does that mean if am baptized in the Name of JESUS
Acts 2::38
Acts 8:16
Acts 10:48
Acts 19:5
Doesn't that fulfill
Matt 28:19
---Jamie_draper on 7/14/12


Romans 1:20 Godhead,
Romans 1:25 worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,

Acts 17:23 I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Acts 17:29 not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold,

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

"Godhead" is used in contexts of multiple gods. Multiple gods share power: god of rain, god of wind Etc. But Jesus is not one of many he is FULLY GOD, TOTAL DIETY even if he is 1 out of 3 ( Father, Holy Ghost, and Word)

That help you cluny?
---francis on 7/14/12


\\1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1/3 is The Father
1/3 is the Holy Ghost
1/3 Is the Word (Jesus)\\

You've got your math wrong, francis.

It's 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.

And you say that I'M confused?

Glory to Jesus Christ1
---Cluny on 7/13/12


I would say it means God's divinity . . . His nature with His power and all He is and how He is. And Paul says, that in Jesus "dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily," in Colossians 2:9. So, in Jesus God is all He can be, as Jesus who is "the Son of God" (1 John 4:15). John says Jesus Christ is God's Son. So, if Jesus is God's Son, Jesus is a Person . . . all who God can be as the Son in His body.
---willie_c: on 7/13/12


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So everything that is GOD including
(Father, Son, Holy Spirt) is in
CHRIST JESUS???
---Jamie_draper on 7/13/12


As Cluny on 7/12/12 has said, the word "deity" best translates this Greek word theotetos. "Godhead" is not an honest translation of the word. The KJV uses it three times (Ac 17:29 Ro 1:20 Col 2:9), for three different Greek words.

"Godhead" is a misleading term, and should be investigated by all who want the truth, and discarded as false.
---Phil on 7/13/12


And who ever said that Jesus is 1/3 God, francis? Bet you can't answer that one.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/12
If I answered that for you, it would only serve to confuse you further

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1/3 is The Father
1/3 is the Holy Ghost
1/3 Is the Word (Jesus)

Being the fullness of the Godhead means that Jesus is not 1/3 he is ALL GOD His Powers are not divided as that of the triumvirates, he is ALL GOD, fully diety
---francis on 7/13/12


\\In This Context it measn that Jesus is fully God and not 1/3 God, not the second of the trinity, but 100% totaly God
---francis on 7/12/12\\

And who ever said that Jesus is 1/3 God, francis? Bet you can't answer that one.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/12


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so does that mean "for in him (JESUS) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead (Father , Son , Holy Spirit )
bodily (in his "JESUS" body).
---jamie_draper on 7/12/12


Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Godhead means " diety"

In This Context it measn that Jesus is fully God and not 1/3 God, not the second of the trinity, but 100% totaly God
---francis on 7/12/12


The Greek word the KJV translates as "godhead" in that verse is ThEOTETOS, which is generally translated "deity".

FWIW, the German word "Gottheit" is the cognate of the English word "Godhead," and likewise means "deity."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/12


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