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Can God Use False Teachers

Scripture teaches light and darkness cannot co-exist. As an individual, do you believe God will use FALSE TEACHERS to spread the Gospel of Christ, and to lead others to SALVATION?

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Can God use false teachers?? Well, if God puts before you truth and lie, to TEST you to see if you know the Scriptures and exercise you to be able to discern truth and learn how to eat meat, and know when someone is serving you processed food, or junk food, bringing about truth through someone's lie, Yea, Light will in fact expose darkness.

To go from a lecture given to Blogger re:, the humanity vs divinity of Jesus to God picks out who He wants based on NOTHING but some strange doctrine of Sovereign right, having NOTHING to do with the previous post....yea, that's what is called a DOUBLE TALKER/ crooked politicians and other names we can't say on CN!
---kathr4453 on 7/27/12


Kathr, how can you understand when you don't understand that Jesus Christ is God. You believe He wasn't created yet, to you there was no Son before His incarnation. Hello? is anyone there?
---Mark_V. on 7/27/12


MarkV, a lot of pious posturing there. Grabbing words and phrases to create a God of your understanding. All these high and lofty thoughts and phrases to impress us all?????

However if you even came close to understanding Christ in the Tabernacle, the Mercy Seat etc, you will see God has shown us HOW that Mercy works THROUGH JESUS CHRIST and His Blood, not God's good humor. Where is Jesus in your last post?? Your God didn't need Jesus at all.


Oh, and lets not forget we musn't separate Jesus Humanity from His Divinity....

Where does Jesus humanity vs Divinity fit into your follow up post?

MarkV, maybe not everyone can see through the crap, but I can.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/12


Leviticus 16:14-16
And he shall take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it with his finger upon the mercy seat eastward, and before the mercy seat shall he sprinkle of the blood with his finger seven times. Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat: And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/12


Hebrews 8:5
Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Everything in the Tabernacle was built as a PATTERN of things in Heaven and things to come.

NOWHERE in this pattern shown is in the OT is there anything remotely suggesting limited atonement, or limited covering of only CERTAIN PEOPLE.

This truth in Leviticus/Hebrews PROVES calvinism is a false doctrine!
---kathr4453 on 7/27/12




Kathr, you are in great need of the Light. Because you are blind to the Truth. Not just a little but a whole lot. The Ruler and Judge of all the world is at liberty to deal with a world of sinners according to His own good pleasure. He can rightfully pardon some and condemn others, can rightfully give His saving grace to one and not to another. He is free to have mercy on whom He will have mercy. It is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God who showeth mercy, and the reason why any are saved, and why one rather than another is saved, is to be found in the good pleasure of Him who ordereth all things after the counsel of His own will.
This is the God of Scripture. Believe Him or not.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/12


Through God's sovereign power every man has enough light to be responsible. ---Mark_V. on 7/27/12


Absolutely correct. No such trhing as total depravity. And since there is no such thing as total depravity, then MAN is responsible to act upon the Light revealed to him.

I love when you copy and paste from correct christian books or web sites. That wasn't copied from a Calvin website!
---kathr4453 on 7/27/12


Blogger96, let me help you. Jesus Christ is 100 & human and 100% God. When you argue, make sure you are speaking of His humanity or His divine nature.
Second, (John 1:9) is speaking of His divinity (God). Through God's sovereign power every man has enough light to be responsible. God has planted His knowledge in man through general revelation in creation and conscience. The result of general revelation, however does not produce salvation, but either leads to the complete light of Jesus Christ or produces condemnation in those who reject such "light" (Rom. 1:19,20).
(v. 10) "He was in the world" is speaking of His humanity. "and the world was made through Him" speaking of His divinity.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/12


MarkV, sounds like youre saying one needs to be born of the Spirit to WANT to come to Jesus Christ so he can then be .....born of the Spirit... again? (scratches head)

So one must be born of God to want to come to... God.... so he can then be... born of God.

I gotta admit, that sounds a little off the wall to me. Most Christians understand that rebirth comes AFTER faith in Jesus Christ for that is the moment that the Spirit of Christ comes to live IN us.
---Blogger9680 on 7/26/12


They need the Light, who is Christ in order for them to want to come to the Light.
---Mark_V. on 7/26/12

That sentence makes absolutely no sense at all.

Care to explain this in more detail?

Let's replace Light with Water...

However, you can lead a horse to water but you Can't make him drink!
---kathr4453 on 7/26/12




John 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Genesis:
God said Let there be LIGHT and there was.

Jesus said I AM the LIGHT of THE WORLD.

2 Corinthians 4:4-6 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/12


Well MarkV, I see it this way, Just as God said He gave the sun to both the righteous and unrighteous alike, I BELIEVE He Gave the SON to all as well.

Don't ask me questions you need to ask God about.

Light did come into the Whole world. Men SAW that LIGHT and man on his own rejected the Ligh or came to teh Light....it's the SAME LIGHT!

NOWHERE does it say that LIGHT came ONLY to a select few who could see it.

Man has to first SEE it to reject it or come to it!
---kathr4453 on 7/26/12


Kathr, if you believe what you say and you said,

"GOD IS GOD! He is God Almighty."

why does He need your permission to save you? He must not be that mighty at all. In your beliefs you are mightier then He is, you control Him. Read the question,
"light and darkness cannot co-exist." Why? because man loved darkness rather then light. It's impossible for man who love darkness to want to come to the light all by themselves. They need the Light, who is Christ in order for them to want to come to the Light.
---Mark_V. on 7/26/12


"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
---Mark_V. on 7/26/12

MarkV again, this doesn't mean that God preplanned those deaths in Colorado. Yes He knew who woulod die, but YOU SAY if they didn't die, that would change everything in the End. Therefore you put the life of a man having POWER over God.

God's plans will be exactly as He has told us, with or without any deaths in Colorado. Not one death or life in Colorado could possibly twart any of God's plans or outcome in the end.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/12


Francis, If you can provide me with a verse requiring Gentiles to either Be Holy or Keep a Day Holy in the Old Testament, I will be able to take that verse and answer your question.

Don't just assume now. I need an actual verse, no actually three verses stating Gentiles were TOLD specifically to Keep a Day Holy.

And show too any verse where any Gentile heathen nation, who worshiped false Gods Honored the God of Israel by keeping the Sabbath Day Holy without actually joining Israel or becoming a proselyte.

I can't find any, but maybe you can, and I NEED those verses before I can accurately answer your last post.

I can't even find a verse God reiterating to Noah about keeping any Day Holy.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/12


Kathr, the word "Omniscient" means, He knows everything. He never learns something. You asked

"You say God KNOWS and has decided When everyone is going to die...but you say He does or Doesn't know HOW they are going to die..correct?"

How can He not know how you are going to die if He knows everything? God is not a man like Steven Spielberg who has actors who can change what he wants done in a movie. No one can change what God has already planned before the foundation of the world. No one. He cannot be move by anyone since He is Omnipotent.
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
---Mark_V. on 7/26/12


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Francis, there is no verse in the New Testament that Paul or James or John taught that we are to keep a specific day HOLY.

WHY? Because we today are a NEW CREATURE. And the New creature today is created in righteousness IN CHRIST. As eternal beings IN CHRIST we keep every day Holy, not just one.

Are all the other 6 days then called UNHOLY?

What was outward in the OT is now INWARD in the NT. If in fact we are seated with Christ in Heavenly places IN CHRIST, and we know there are no such DAYS in Heaven making only one Holy, why then limit yourself to only keeping one day holy.

The NEW DAY is Holy. We are now as Christians in a NEW DAY.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/12


There is no such thing as keeping a DAY Holy.
--kathr4453 on 7/24/12

Is this verse in any of your bibles?

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

or this one
Deuteronomy 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

this one?

Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore, for it [is] holy unto you:
---francis on 7/25/12


What's even more appauling MarkV is only TWO people God carried up to the third heaven to show them things, and things to come, and it wasn't YOU.

And seeing even YOU can't grasp those mysteries already told us by Paul and John to begin with, what makes you think YOU have some supernatural ability to see anything at all?

The term "Sovereignty of God" is a redundant one you have built a false doctrine around.

The fact is GOD is Sovereign. It's not an attribute of God's, like the Mercy, or loving-kindness of God.

GOD IS GOD! He is God Almighty.

And to actually believe God needed to have those people KILLED/MURDERED in Colorado, so that His plans and purposes would not get screwed up IS SICK!
---kathr4453 on 7/25/12


Mark_V.* Ruben, you forgot to mention that Jesus did not promote, killing, hanging, drowning, burning at the stake, and with the Baptist they would tie them together, so that when one went into the water, he would take them all in. That and many other atrocities your church has done.

Mark,

Jesus never said that his Church would not sin, but protect it againts error. The Catholic Church is full of sinners, so is the rest of the world! If you are going to judge truth by someone sins or not then please throw out the bible for it is full of sinners: Moses was a murder and David was a murder and an adulterer, yet you accept their writing as God's word.
---Ruben on 7/25/12


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MarkV, the problem is, you've created a God that YOU can understand, someone like Steven Spielberg who is a director, screenwriter, and producer.

So, if one of his characters decides to take over one of his movies and inserts their own lines, or out of no where had a gun battle where one of the main Characters dies...Then YES...

But God's ways are not man's ways MarkV. We don't live in the "buffering zone" of a already acted out play. And we are not characters who have been given LINES to say so God can Humor Himself.
---kathr4453 on 7/25/12


You say God KNOWS and has decided When everyone is going to die...but you say He does or Doesn't know HOW they are going to die..correct? Or does He know HOW? IF He knows HOW, and God in controlling the death, did God CONTRACT with Satan to do the dirty work, lile a mafia boss or something. Was this Contracting done before Satan fell, or AFTER Satan fell.

You see it had to have been discussed BEFORE Satan fell, since in your mind we all preexisted before Satan fell.

Or is God actually communicating with Satan NOW to do these horrible deeds. God just gives Satan a list of those who are going to DIE, and says..."listen, I don't want to know HOW their going to die, just do it...Right...Or is GOD doing these horrible things?
---kathr4453 on 7/25/12


So MarkV, all this Good vs Evil is all a joke to you correct. The defeat of Satan and death in the end is all just one big joke.

I personally believe God KNOWS when one of HIS OWN die, however, I don't believe God is controlling the evil in this world. We are here for the purpose of supressing that evil in this world. And when Jesus Comes THEN and ONLY THEN will evil be done away with completely and forever.
---kathr4453 on 7/25/12


Ruben, you forgot to mention that Jesus did not promote, killing, hanging, drowning, burning at the stake, and with the Baptist they would tie them together, so that when one went into the water, he would take them all in. That and many other atrocities your church has done.
Jesus did not promoted the worship of Mary and the saints. And you tell us we are to believe your church? Because they are honest and succeeded the apostles? Sorry, but that is not the Church of Jesus Christ. He never promoted any of those actions your church has done.
---Mark_V. on 7/25/12


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Kathr, you created a god you can do as you will with him. he can be defeated by you, satan, and all sinful men. he bows to sinful people left and right. who knows nothing, accomplishes nothing, who can save only those who will let him.

Well let me tell you about the real God of the Bible. He is Sovereign Almighty Lord of all things, rules all things, who is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, Holy, Righteous, and just. No one defeats His purposes, what He decreed will come to pass whether you like it or not. And your destiny has been set by God already, whether heaven or hell, even your death, the time of your death and how you will die. There is nowhere you can hide from our Omnipotent God.
---Mark_V. on 7/24/12


There is no such thing as keeping a DAY Holy. BE YE HOLY as I am Holy. The Apostles never require us to keep any DAY Holy, Saturday or Sunday....but EVERY DAY.

I die DAILY is not just for Saturday of Sunday!
---kathr4453 on 7/24/12


would you belive that there is a book, chapter and several verses that support that? would you like me to post it?
---francis on 7/23/12

Does that mean you are sending me the $1,000? after all you ask to show you in scripture alone why you should be bound to keep Sunday holy!

First: Jesus says "who listen to you listen to me."

Second: Jesus says "..All nations..teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you"

Third: Jesus said "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven"

Fouth: Scripture tells us " the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth"

So there you have it, the Church is who we are to listen to..
---Ruben on 7/24/12


If those people had lived, the future would change, and God would have to be changing His plan over and over. Nothing changes that He designed and decree to happen. Otherwise He would not know the future and would be learning as He goes.
---Mark_V. on 7/22/12


Does that go for those who children who were murdered and molested by those pedifiles? And your angry, WHY? Are you really angry at God and you now want to pin all evil on God in some form or fashion.

No, if those people LIVED, not one iota would have changed the final outcome...God WON Markv, with or without them.
---kathr4453 on 7/23/12


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2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:
---Ruben on 7/23/12
would you belive that there is a book, chapter and several verses that support that? would you like me to post it?
---francis on 7/23/12


francis* "I have repeatedly offered $1,000.. to keep Sunday holy.

"Whoever listens to you listens to me, whoever rejects you rejects me, but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.(LK 10:17)

Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven"( MT 18:18)

"The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the Holy Scriptures, and the oblation: because on the first day of the week our Lord ..." Teaching of the Apostles, 2 (A.D. 225).

Let me know when you are sending the check so I can give you where to send it:)
---Ruben on 7/23/12


---Nana on 7/22/12
T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18,1884.

"I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: 'No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church."

It get even deeper than that. Do a google search for what you denomination says
---francis on 7/23/12


HYPOCRISY: a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess. ---francis on 7/22/12

Francis,

Here is the official teaching about the Sabbath: CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH


2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:
---Ruben on 7/23/12


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That is not what they said in the article.
---Nana on 7/22/12
There are so many articles here is one
. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995
---francis on 7/23/12


"The irony here is that the largest denomination in christendom which also claims sole apostolic succession, points to another denomination, in this case SDA, as the sole teacher of scripture"
francis on 7/22/12

That is not what they said in the article.
"I found the article and it states that only in what pertains to the Sabbath and nothing else."
Nana
---Nana on 7/22/12


RCC quotes that suggested sole Biblical authority be equated to SDA.
Do you see the irony here?
Do you see any hypocrisy in your answer?
---micha9344 on 7/18/12

IRONY: Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs:

The irony here is that the largest denomination in christendom which also claims sole apostolic succession, points to another denomination, in this case SDA, as the sole teacher of scripture

HYPOCRISY: a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.

Again here it would be the RCC who is in hypocrisy, claiming to be God's true church, yet saying of you want to go by the bible you should be a SDA
---francis on 7/22/12


kathr 2: God did not make that guy kill those people, the guy did it for his own reasons, but God knew that he would and at what time, and where it was going to happen, and He permitted it to happen for His own purpose and will. When sinful men reject Christ as some here do, God harden's their heart enough to where they will never believe. Others, who are of the elect will one day hear the Truth, they will believe and will make a contrite committment to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 7/22/12


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francis,
you gave 4 reasons why you were an SDA and 2 of them were RCC quotes that suggested sole Biblical authority be equated to SDA.
Do you see the irony here?
Do you see any hypocrisy in your answer?
---micha9344 on 7/18/12
Still blind?...I cannot help...
---micha9344 on 7/22/12


Kathr, your looking at a god you created in your head. Not the God of the Bible. He is Sovereign and in control of all things. He show us the beginning and the end of all things and how they will happen.
You said,
"His plans from beginning to end did not NEED that horrible incident to occur in order for God's plans to come to fruition."

Everyone that died, died at their appointed time. And when you die, no matter how, it will be at the exact time God had for you. If those people had lived, the future would change, and God would have to be changing His plan over and over. Nothing changes that He designed and decree to happen. Otherwise He would not know the future and would be learning as He goes.
---Mark_V. on 7/22/12


"As for you, ye meant evil against me (Joseph), but God meant it for good" (Gen. 50:20).

Well, the fact here is, when Joseph was a child he had a dream. That dream was a glimpse of God's plan FOR ISRAEL, and in teh end we see how God works in and through HIS Chosen people.

However many many people were sold as slaves, and those people had no bearing on God's ETERNAL plan of anything.

So to say God is micro-managing every human being everywhere is not true. God did not micro-manage the shootings in Colorado either in order to fulfill any eternal plan. His plans from beginning to end did not NEED that horrible incident to occur in order for God's plans to come to fruition.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/12


micha9344 on 7/21/12

in other word you made a mistake, If you had any such proof you would have posted it.
You would have said francis here you pozted and said... but here now you say...

fact is you have nothing to says
---francis on 7/21/12


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Rob, I will not get in their argument and just wanted to answer this again. God is Sovereign and uses everyone for His own purpose and will. Everyone. They all play a part in His eternal plan.
"As for you, ye meant evil against me (Joseph), but God meant it for good" (Gen. 50:20).
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I am Jehovah that doeth all these things" (Is. 45:7).
"Shall evil befall a city and Jehovah hath not done it?" (Amo 3:6).
"The thing which God forshowed by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ should suffer, He thus fulfilled" (Acts 3:18)
---Mark_V. on 7/21/12


francis,
I have shown it, or more precisely, you have shown it.
You are blind to it and there is nothing I can do to help that but pray.
Did the Pharisee's think they were hypocrits?
Did they believe Jesus when He revealed the truth to them?
Does any hypocrit believe or even want to believe they are right only in their own eyes?
Lest they repent and turn from their ways and the Lord heals them.
Deceiving and being deceived are two different states.
---micha9344 on 7/21/12


---Phil on 7/18/12
Thank you for your response, a blessing. I agree, do not wish to stumble anyone either,
would like to post only
what is true, of God, and If mistaken in any way, that would be disregarded, and corrected by God
---chria9396 on 7/21/12


Everyone is good for something, if for nothing more than a bad example.
---Blogger9211 on 7/20/12

Very well said.
---Phil on 7/20/12


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Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from ..one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me,
Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me:

Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: .. Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings, and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.
---francis on 7/20/12


Hypocrisy (see the spelling) in you francis, hypocrisy in you. You are blind to it.
---micha9344 on 7/19/12
Well here is your chance to expose this hypocrisy in me:

definition: feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not, especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion

Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have.[1] Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of

now show it
---francis on 7/20/12


Everyone is good for something, if for nothing more than a bad example.
---Blogger9211 on 7/20/12


"THERE IS NO HYPOCRASY HERE SINCE THE SDA CHURCH DID NOT ASK THE RCC FOR THEIR ENDORSMENT"-francis on 7/18/12
Hypocrisy (see the spelling) in you francis, hypocrisy in you. You are blind to it.
And I see you are still taking Isa 66:22-23 out of context and not even applying simple rules of diction and grammar to support a doctrine of a false prophetess that you have adopted.
"as" is comparative.
"and", beginning verse 23, starts a new thought.
You explain verse 24 away even when then old heaven and earth is no more.
Illogical, Ironic, Hypocritic.
---micha9344 on 7/19/12


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---Nana on 7/19/12

Not sure exactly what you are asking. But jesus and his disciples also kept the sabbath. If you should look to anyone as as exampellook to jesus On this we can agree right?

Jesus not only kept the sabbath, he taught how we should keep it, he also prayed that no undue stress coem to us in the future on the sabbath. he also assures us that in the new heavenas and new earth we will continue to enjoy the sabbath
---francis on 7/19/12


"I also added the RCC saying which shows that the largest denomination in christendom agrees that the SDA is the ONLY one which follows the scriptures"
---francis on 7/18/12

I found the article and it states that only in what pertains to the Sabbath and nothing else. Of course francis, you do know that the Pharisees and the Sadducees of Jesus's day also observed the Sabbath right? Was there any issue with their observance? Is it observance, period or proper observance, period?
---Nana on 7/19/12


If it comes from Rome and more importantly from the Pope than you have a case!!!
---Ruben on 7/18/12
Now if I told you it also comes from the pope and the Arch bishops, you may nto belive me, but if you research it for yourself then you will belief

you must read soem of the writing of James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore and also D L MOODY
---francis on 7/18/12


the catholic church and the "other large denomination" is sort of like saying the big church down the street with 2000 on sunday mornings is more than my little church with 75 in attendance. There is just no comparison. We also don't have rock bands and people falling all over the floor.
---shira4368 on 7/18/12


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the point is that the bible and the largest denomination both support the SDA church as the true church of God
---francis on 7/18/12

Francis get real, just because some magazine with the name Catholic or a person name of ST so and so does not mean the Catholic Church said it. If it comes from Rome and more importantly from the Pope than you have a case!!!
---Ruben on 7/18/12


---micha9344 on 7/18/
Irony is that the largest denomination in christiandom points it's folowers to the SDA as the only denomination who follows the bible. What is a catholic to do? Continue with the RCC who admits they are not teaching the scriptures or be a SDA who is the only church to teach the scriptures?

THERE IS NO HYPOCRASY HERE SINCE THE SDA CHURCH DID NOT ASK THE RCC FOR THEIR ENDORSMENT

the point is that the bible and the largest denomination both support the SDA church as the true church of God
---francis on 7/18/12


---Cluny on 7/18/12
"Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is
no light in them.

Rev 14:12 the saints: are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

"People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995
---francis on 7/15/12
---francis on 7/18/12


Like this, God is able to use wrong people's things to even do them good.
---willie_c: on 7/14/12

willie_c, I really liked your post. The parallel to that is Isreal rejecting Jesus so that the Gospel would come to the Gentiles...saving many..and in the end, Just as Joseph forgave and blessed his brothers, so will Jesus forgive Israel.

You actually see a picture of this in Zechariah 12-14. The looked upon Him whom THEY pierced and moaned, just as Joseph's brothers did, once they recognized who Joseph was.

Awesome Post...thank you!
---kathr4453 on 7/18/12


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francis,
you gave 4 reasons why you were an SDA and 2 of them were RCC quotes that suggested sole Biblical authority be equated to SDA.
Do you see the irony here?
Do you see any hypocrisy in your answer?
---micha9344 on 7/18/12


chria9396 on 7/18/12

I am blessed.

Deep in my heart there remains a corpse seeking to be made alive again. Crucifixion with Christ and death to sin has ruined it's chances of revival. Grace has replaced willfulness, and faith has supplanted ignorance.

I share what I have obtained in the freedom Christ Jesus has freed us with.

I wish to stumble no one.

You are favored of the Lord, chria9396.
---Phil on 7/18/12


Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law FOR righteousness to every one that believeth


That means you cant judge according to the law since believers are not judged according to law. It is Gods plan, Gods timing and HIS job to convict us where we stray from the course He has plotted for us as believer.

Who are you to judge another mans servant?

Francis, the other blog ran out of room. Are you a vegetarian? Do you believe all meats are bad?
---CraigA on 7/18/12


\\I also added the RCC saying which shows that the largest denomination in christendom agrees that the SDA is the ONLY one which follows the scriptures
---francis on 7/18/1\\

But that is NOT what your quote says at all.

Furthermore, the SDA does NOT follow the entire scriptures.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/18/12


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God uses false prophets enough to save them. otherwise, I don't think He uses them. the unsaved person can not even decipher spiritual things or even know if they are spiritual so how can God use them.
---shira4368 on 7/18/12


The reason francis is an SDA is because the RCC told him to.
---micha9344 on 7/17/12

I read the quote.

It merely says, "People think this" not "The Bible says this."

---Cluny on 7/17/12

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is
no light in them.

Rev 14:12 the saints: are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 7/15/12

How could you BOTH miss these two scriptures was was posted AT THE SAME TIME?

I also added the RCC saying which shows that the largest denomination in christendom agrees that the SDA is the ONLY one which follows the scriptures
---francis on 7/18/12


---Phil on 7/14/12

This and more, that you've posted are enlightening. You are a welcome addition to CNET with Truth you share. Blessings
---chria9396 on 7/18/12


Don't be confused Cluny
Don't you see by the quotes?
The reason francis is an SDA is because the RCC told him to.
---micha9344 on 7/17/12


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\\But nowhere does the Bible actually say this.
---Cluny on 7/17/12
Are you confused againt?
Did you not see the quote?\\

I read the quote.

It merely says, "People think this" not "The Bible says this."

And I will repeat what I said. NOWHERE does the Bible set itself up as the sole rule of faith and practice. To do so is to make a false assumption.

Of course, this is one of MANY the SDAs make.

Christians all know that EGW got a big surprise after she died and discovered that there was no such thing as soul sleep. I sincerely pray that all the other surprises she got afterwards were pleasant ones.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/12


\\"People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists." \\

But nowhere does the Bible actually say this.
---Cluny on 7/17/12
Are you confused againt?
Did you not see the quote?

"People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995
---francis on 7/15/12
---francis on 7/17/12


\\"People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists." \\

But nowhere does the Bible actually say this.

EGW was a medium and peeped and muttered because she had a walk-in spirit of divination, and not light, in her. She did not speak according to the Bible.

And SDAs have neither the testimony of Jesus, nor do they keep all the commandments of God. They pick and choose which of the 613 commandments they keep.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/12


Phil, I agree with your answer very much and also with Wille C. We believe that God actually rules in the affairs of men, that His decrees are absolute, and that they include all events. The Scripture doctrine states that God restrains sin within certain limits, that He bring good out of intended evil, and overrules the evil for His own glory. Since God is infinite in power and wisdom, sin could have no existence except by His permission. The Psalmist expressed his confidence in God's power to overrule sinners when he said,
"He that sitteth in the heavens will laugh, the Lord will have them in derision" (Ps. 2:4). Job said,
"The deceived and the deceiver are His" (Job 12:16).
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12


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why are you SDA, francis?
--Cluny on 7/15/12

"Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is
no light in them.

Rev 14:12 the saints: are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

"People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995
---francis on 7/15/12


\\How can a false teacher lead you to salvation?

They can only lead you away from truth\\

Then why are you SDA, francis?

EGW was the biggest false teacher since Arius.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/12


How can a false teacher lead you to salvation?

They can only lead you away from truth

They may make you aware that there is a God, and that salvation is available, but they lead you away from truth

It will be up to you to search the scriptures to see if the things they teach are true otherwise they will lead you away from Jesus
---francis on 7/14/12


No. God will never use false teachers to spread the gospel or to lead others to salvation. Jesus taught that a house divided will not stand Matt 12:25-28. He also said that he who is not with Him is against Him, Matt 12:30 and that if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch Matt 15:13-14.
---barb on 7/14/12


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The brothers of Joseph sold him into slavery, but then God used Joseph to become ruler of Egypt. He then used his power to rescue those brothers from starving to death during the great famine. This is in Genesis 37-50. And he said to them, "'you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive. Now therefore, do not be afraid, I will provide for you and your little ones.' And he comforted them and spoke kindly to them." (in Genesis 50:20-21) So, God took advantage of their evil, to do all-loving good, including to help bring them into family loving, not only to save lives. Like this, God is able to use wrong people's things to even do them good.
---willie_c: on 7/14/12


God's present work is to complete the Body of Christ, as planned by Him and His Son before the disruption (foundation KJV) of the world. He is choosing, He is calling, He is justifying, He is glorifying. There is no other operation of God right now.

He uses many means. Christendom is apostate now, so falsehood abounds.

It is necessary, to separate the wheat from the chaff.

The elect and chosen are in their midst. Some are not, having separated themselves.

Man has no control over who is saved. It is completely of God, Who is sovereign.
---Phil on 7/14/12


When I decided to address this question I was thinking exactly what Cluny has written. Luk 9:50>1Cr 12:3>Phl 1:15-18
---josef on 7/14/12


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