Does God Create Evil
//---Phil on 7/20/12//
Written on [eben]-(stone) "with the Finger of God"
Deut 9:10,Luke 11:20
He is [Exist]Aleph to Tav
down to each letter.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, [one jot or one tittle] shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled
While seeking (His counsel)...
Praise God for His mercy and His Grace
---char on 7/23/12|
---char on 7/19/12
Wow, char...heady stuff!
---Phil on 7/20/12|
Origin: God's Word-written-was not English, but Semitic. Knowledge of pre-Babel-language and relation to -nomadic culture--assist with understanding. Gen 11:1-10
God uses function and dysfunctional Action-For Balance.
Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?
Prov 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.
Pro 16:11 A just weight and balance are the LORD's: all the weights of the bag are his work.
Divers weights are an abomination unto the LORD, and a false balance is not good
---char on 7/20/12|
Hebrew thought is based on function, concrete ideas,substance of action.
Balance includes [tov]-translated in English as (good) and [ra] translated in English (evil).
[tov]-Means functional and [ra]-dysfunctional
Greco-Roman perspective: modern languages concepts is abstract-can not be related to one of the five senses: hearing, sight, touch, smell and taste And based on appearance,
however,with each Hebrew word, an action is describe.
Balance: functional and dysfunctional--Compared.
That which hath been is now, and that which is to be hath already been, and God requireth that which is past.
Praise God for His mercy and grace
---char on 7/19/12|
willie_c: on 7/17/12 "H7451 is translated into a variety of other words, as well as "evil"."
You confuse translation with interpretation. Ra'rah means evil, when correctly translated.
The meaning is changed based upon interpretation, which is subjective and not inspired. Interpretation is based upon many factors, most of which come from reasoning or bias.
You also fail to grasp the truth that there is only one Creator of all things. Satan was created. He is God's tool for His purposes and is restrained. There are not two God's.
1C 8:6 there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things.
---Phil on 7/18/12|
Phil, you make some great points when you talk about storm and other calamities. Anything that is not good is bad. So in that sense you are right. Most of God's nature, His character and atrributes would never be known if so many things did not exist. The mercy of God would mean nothing if there was no sin. The love of God giving His Son if there was no sin. The justice of God if there was no sinners. So many things we would never know of Him if there was no sin. No love if there was no hate, no salvation if there was no justice. If everything was perfect, there would be no need for anything. We would miss out on the Omnipotence and love of Almighty God. We would not know what Almighty means.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12|
H7451 is translated into a variety of other words, as well as "evil". And a number of these words involve circumstance.
"Evil" can mean circumstantial evil. There are the "bad" figs, in Jeremiah 24:2. I understand it can mean what is working against wrong people.
And we have, "God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone," in James 1:13. So, "the god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4), is the source of sinful evil. But there are people who have God and Satan mixed up!! Our Heavenly Father is not the source of Satan's evil!!!!
---willie_c: on 7/17/12|
---Glenn on 7/16/12
Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Black means black, it doesn't mean white. Usage determines meaning. The root remains the same
The word means "evil".
And a concordant study reveals this.
I believe God. He did not say calamity, or war. He said evil.
Tsunamis and tornadoes are evil in their effects. Who is the Author of those?
You may also wish to ascribe evil to another force, outside the control of God. Very well, who created that force? The Omnipotent One, or He is not omnipotent.
---Phil on 7/17/12|
Phil, please look up the word in a good Concordance, it has a wide range of meanings, one being calamity. The contrast here is between peace and war. God is not saying that he is the author of all wars, but see Deuteronomy 28.
p.s. Isaiah 45:9-10.
---Glenn on 7/16/12|
I believe that "GOD creates evil" means that HE allows the evil to run it's course to whatever degree that HE wants it to, in order to execute HIS Will. It definitely is NOT saying that GOD is the author of Evil, nor is it saying that HE performs anything evil. Satan and his demons stir up Evil. Human beings go along with said evil, and GOD uses that performed Evil for HIS Purposes. Even for Judgment!
---Gordon on 7/16/12|
Mark has said that when God hardened Pharaoh's heart, He did not make him more evil. Romans 9:18 says, "Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens." Well, if sun shines on a plant with unhealthy roots, the plant will dry up and turn harder and harder. So, that loving sunshine hardens the plant, but only because the plant's own roots are wrong.
---willie_c: on 7/16/12|
willie_c: on 7/15/12 "I make peace and create calamity,"
H343 'eyd ade KJV: calamity, destruction.
If the Hewbrew word ade was use by Holy Spirit, then we could be certain your interpretation was correct.
The word is ra'rah H7451.
The word means "evil"
1C 8:6-7 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things,... Howbeit [there is] not in every man that knowledge.
All things, that means everything, has its source from God. Jn 1:3
What prevents you from believing God, seriously?
Scripture is fulfilled, not in every man is this knowledge.
---Phil on 7/16/12|
Peter and Joseph, I agree with what you both said. God does not create evil in man, they are evil already. The whole chapter of Isa. 45 is speaking of the Sovereignty of God, His power over all things. He is the restrainer of evil, which means He controls the evil that is already in man. When He hardened Pharoah heart, He did not make him more evil, He allowed Pharoah to go as far as God wanted him to go. He allows peace by controlling sin, and creates evil, by permitting it to go as far as He wants. Man are sinful from the time they are born. But God is in control of all things, even the evil in man, in order that His plan is completed the way He planned it.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/12|
Jesus makes it very clear that "No one is good but One, that is, God," in Luke 18:19. So, I understand this means that God does not bring evil into existence. In Isaiah, the LORD has been saying many things about how He will judge wrong people. Along with this, He says, "I make peace and create calamity," (or "evil"), meaning that for the obedient He has peace, but for evil people He arranges (creates) things to mess with them . . . so they do not go on into much worse things hurting others and themselves. So, the "evil" that God creates is trouble which is like a backfire for stopping a forest fire. God always is doing good, then, is He not??? (c:
---willie_c: on 7/15/12|
God is the creator, he created all things.
---womandisciple on 7/14/12|
Atheist, I like how you get in fast!
But we have to remember that not all things said are meant literally. Most in the bible are, but that passage also has some poetic meaning, and we would have to know how the Hebrew should really be understood.
I don't know Hebrew, so I can't say.
The only thing I could perhaps suggest is the 'evil' is God refuses to provide His goodness, which is what gives goodness on earth
---Peter on 7/14/12|
"I form the light, and 'create' (allow) darkness: I make peace, and 'create' (dispatch) evil: Is this a mistake, or does God really create evil?"
Personally I believe the proper definition of the word "bara" in this context is "dispatch" because that concept has the witness of scripture, creating evil does not.
"God sent an evil spirit..." Jdg 9:23
"the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD' troubled him." 1Sa 16:14,15
"'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And the LORD said, 'You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so'. See also Pro 17:11> Isa 19:14>2Th 2:11
---joseph on 7/15/12|
this is no mistake. 'create' is H1254 bara.
among the definitions of create other than "to create" is: "to select, to dispatch, to bring forth (allow)". In the context of the text, God does create the evil that He spoke.
bara ra'ah. also, there is probably a degree of poetic license in this text for the effect of consonance.
Barbara Walters (Babawa Wawtews)is God.
---aka on 7/14/12|
It's in the bible, so it must be true. Right?
---atheist on 7/14/12|