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First Three Days Of Creation

Given that in Genesis 1 during the first three days there was no sun, and as it is the cycle of the sun that defines 24 hours, how can we know the first three days were 24 hours?

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Hang in Rob and hold the faith. Most people here are just very passionate. Yes, some need to add a little love with the passion.
---Moderator on 7/29/12


Micha, with this thread coming to an end, its going to be difficult to really explain my position. Maybe we will start a new one. Who knows? Im sure that Warwick, Jerry, Marc and Trav will love to jump in and give us their two cents worth.

Ive been reading and posting to this site for almost 7 years (I believe my first post was 2005). I orginally came here looking for answers, instead I found snide remarks and "christians" who do nothing but argue and demean each other. Some of those on this site have done much to make me question my beliefs about God and the Bible.

Sad, but it is what it is.
---NurseRobert on 7/29/12


Trav, I quote Scripture when it is necessary.

Genesis ch. 1 covers all that was created, including Adam and Eve. Chapter 2 zones in on Adam and Eve and that which directly concerned them. Those who champion the second contradictory account of creation are sceptics aiming to prove God's word is false. "Thy word is true from the beginning..." Psalm 119:160. How can ch.2 be a creation account when it doesn't cover the making of the creation?

Question: If ch.2 is a different, contradictory creation account why are Jesus and the apostles silent upon this? Deciet by evasion?

You sometimes quote Scriptures (e.g. Deuteronomy 32:8) which appear to have nothing at all to do with the topic in discussion.
---Warwick on 7/28/12


Trav,
How can it be a creation account when it doesn't mention any of the above? ---Warwick on 7/27

Second creation story is/was Adam.
Sceptic? No more than yourself. You're fine at sceptical opinion, seldom utilizing two or more scriptural witness's. Not because you cannot but, because leaving your doctrinal foundation you've built might crumble your house. Takes a brave man to be Thomas. Your're not Thomas.
Scepticism weighted by man given title or financial position weighs "nothing" on required scale of proof/light.
Deut 32:8
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
---Trav on 7/28/12


Elder: It is evident that Nurse Robert is NOT a Christian, since he only has the word of the New Testament writers that Jesus even existed.



---jerry6593 on 7/28/12




NurseRobert,
I never thought about it when we were discussing morality, that when I kept refering to the Bible, you kept reading "man's opinion."
I apologize for that.
Those who know that the Word of God is True and Faithful often need to take a step back and understand there are many out there that don't know this. This area must be addresses even before a topic can be discussed on level ground. Otherwise, we just spin our wheels with no foundation.
I pray you find what you are seeking.
There must be a truth out there.
We can all be wrong, but we can't all be right.
---micha9344 on 7/28/12


"So you only have the word of the man who wrote this that God did this."
NurseRobert
Were you anywhere when any of the Bible writers wrote? According to your own statement you don't know for sure if any of the Bible is true. So, how could it be possible for you to be saved/Christian?
---Elder on 7/27/12


NurseR wrote, "Jerry, were you there when God wrote this? No? So you only have the word of the man who wrote this that God did this." Therefore since no [other] man [apart from Moses] saw this, God did not do this.

By the same logic, since no other man apart from NurseR saw Nurse R write the above, therefore NurseR didn't write it.
---Marc on 7/27/12


NurseRobert, when you step onto an aeroplane do you trust that it will get you to your destination safely because you were there when they built it? Or do you step abaord confidently by faith? Were you there when they made the drug you take? Were you there when the developing chemist/s wrote the instructions for use?

You weren't were you. This voids your point.

Those who approach God's word in faith and prayerfully study it, wanting the truth, will get it. Those who approach it, as you do, with scepticism, will learn nothing. You are akin to the person who is afraid to board an aeroplane. They go nowhere.
---Warwick on 7/27/12


Trav, the insurmountable problem for the 2 versions of creation canard is there is no second account of creation. You can only believe there is if you ignore the fact ch. 2 does not mention the creation of the earth, sun, moon, stars, seas, land, sky, sea creatures, creeping creatures etc. How can it be a creation account when it doesn't mention any of the above? It can't, and it isn't.

The sceptic also must ignore the fact that Jesus and the apostles never mentioned such a thing. And they quoted from or alluded to the first 11 chapters of Genesis no less than 107 times, and always as sober historical truth! What sort of a deceiver would Jesus be if He failed to tell us what you say is the truth?

Where you there?
---Warwick on 7/27/12




You are wrong! God wrote the following Himself with His own finger in stone. It is inerrant.
---jerry6593 on 7/27/12

Jerry, were you there when God wrote this??

No??

So you only have the word of the man who wrote this that God did this.
---NurseRobert on 7/27/12


Blogger: What does "vided" mean?

"Remember God did not write the Bible fallible people did, none of it is Inerrant."

You are wrong! God wrote the following Himself with His own finger in stone. It is inerrant.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


---jerry6593 on 7/27/12


Read Gen1:1-2:4a for what it is, just a Hebrew Tribal story. The single day account of creation starting at Gen 2:4b is much older than the seven day account. The two different accounts came from the oral traditions of the Northern and Southern tribes of Israel. It was recorded to teach the young the reason for the seventh day Sabbath and that the God of the Hebrews was greater than all other gods ...... Remember God did not write the Bible fallible people did, none of it is Inerrant.
---Blogger9211 on 7/26/12

Well written Blogger. Adam and Eve are written as separate creation after the seventh day as well.
Men are errant....more especially self elected-doctrine protecting preachers,false prophets etc.
---Trav on 7/27/12


Blogger, you have previously posted this 2 versions of creation idea but could not support it when challenged. Now you bring it up again.

There are not 2 versions of creation but 1, that contained in Genesis chapter 1. Chapter 2 is not a second creation account but is man-centered, recapping the creation of the man and woman, providing details not provided in Ch.1. It is not another creation account as it doesn't mention the creation of the earth, sun, moon, stars, seas, land, sky, sea creatures, creeping creatures etc.

Genesis is no tribal story but the truth of beginnings as Jesus and the apostles have taught. Was Jesus, the Creator, wrong?
---Warwick on 7/26/12


None of the Old Testament creation accounts are vided as they are all based on an Earth centered Universe. Read Genesis 1:1-2:4a for what it is, just a Hebrew Tribal story. The single day account of creation starting at Genesis 2:4b is much older than the seven day account. The two different accounts came from the oral traditions of the Northern and Southern tribes of Israel. It was recorded to teach the young the reason for the seventh day Sabbath and that the God of the Hebrews was greater than all other gods as he alone could create without raw materials. Remember God did not write the Bible fallible people did, none of it is Inerrant.
---Blogger9211 on 7/26/12


James, the early Hebrews used what is called "Block Logic"

As opposed to today we use "Step Logic".

Block Logic followed logical conclusions within a block. They were not particularly interested in step-by-step sequences as we are today.

In this case the "Logic Block" is the 6 days of creation.(Note when the sun was created).

If all the logic is concluded within a block it is correct. Today it would be by sequences(1st day this.. the second day that and so on)

Most of scripture uses Block Logic Format.

Stories are told regardless of the step-by-step time sequences, as long as the Block contains all the sequences... it worked.
---JOHN on 7/24/12


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Take two pieces of wood tie them so as to make a cross.
Now tie a string from one of the ends of the wood.
Holding the other end of the string, swing it over your head a few time.
Notices the piece of wood with the string tied to it, always faces you.
Like the moon does!

Release the string from your hand. Walk over to the peaces of wood.
If there was no rotation the piece of wood with the string tied to it.
Should be pointing toured you. Notices this is not the case.
It has rotated away from you, turned in a circle around an axis.
This is rotation.

Deal with it!
---TheSeg on 7/22/12


Cliff, I think you are playing dumb. You act as though you cannot understand my examples and don't answer questions. I will leave it there.
---Warwick on 7/23/12


Cliff: "Jerry says "Phase-locked" which means it doesn't move,spin or turn on it's axis"

NO, IT DOESN'T!

Phase-locked means that its rotational speed is locked, matched, in sync, etc. with the earth as it rotates about its axis while revolving about the earth every 28 days. Think about it cliff: If the moon were angularly stationary with respect to inertial space, then how would the same face always point at the earth while revolving about it? I'm beginning to think that Warwick's first option is most applicable.


---jerry6593 on 7/23/12


Cliff, your ferris wheel example is not relevant. Each seat is connected to the wheel by an axle and therefore always remains vertical, by the force of gravity. As I showed twice the moon does not remain vertical but keeps the same face always to the earth. It therefore completes one rotation each time it circles the earth. If it did not rotate it couldn't keep the same face towards the earth.
---Warwick on 7/22/12


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Warwick,It's not a matter of ignoring your illustrations,but a matter of conception!
The earth revolves around the sun,spinning all the way.Does it rotate once a year or 365 times?
Jerry says "Phase-locked" which means it doesn't move,spin or turn on it's axis,but rides the earth's orbit in a fixed position!
Observing the moon from anywhere on earth ,you cannot "see" the moon's rotation! except in theory!
---1st_cliff on 7/22/12


Cliff you leave me with two options concerning yourself:

You are either thick as a plank or attempting to play games.

I think the latter.

I have given you simple demonstrations which you can use to prove to yourself that the the earth does rotate as it circles the earth, but you ignore them.

Please explain how the moon can keep the same face always towards the part of the earth it is passing and not rotate?
---Warwick on 7/22/12


When the moon leaves the earth orbit will it continue to spin?
This will tell you if the moon has a spin or not.
Yes, it will or no it wont. Think about it.
---TheSeg on 7/22/12


Cliff: Give it up. You're wrong. See any reference book. How do you account for the FACT that the same face of the moon always points to earth, except that it revolves at the same rate that it rotates? The moon was "phase-locked" with the earth long ago by differential tidal forces.
---jerry6593 on 7/22/12


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Warwick,Thanks for commenting and illustrating.
Have you ever rode a Ferris wheel?
Thankfully the seats are not "fixed" in relation to the hub (like the moon) because as it rotated it would dump out the riders out!
The seat rotates on it's axle 360 degrees each Ferris wheel rotation! (the moon does not)
---1st_cliff on 7/22/12


If the Moon was always facing the Sun as it revolved around the Earth, would it be rotating on it's axis?
If object "A" is always facing object "B", can object "A" ever rotate?
---micha9344 on 7/21/12


Cliff, you didn't understand my examples. I know you like things connected by string so I will give you a simpler example. Stick a pin in a board and attach a length of string to it and attach the other end to a circular piece of cardboard, representing the moon. Start with the string vertical and write A on the side of the 'moon' closest to the pin, and B at the top. Now move the moon 90 degrees around the pin. At 90 degrees B has now rotated 90 degrees, turn it a further 90 degrees and B has now rotated 180 degrees, now upside down. Continue on and B returns to upright when a 360 revolution has been done. As the moon always has the same side facing the earth it must rotate as it circles the earth.
---Warwick on 7/21/12


I don't go to a flat Earth website to proclaim it's roundness, nor do I go to a blue cheese Moon website to proclaim it's not.
There must be some doubt the atheist's mind that keeps him here, else he would not even bother trying to proclaim his idea.
Is he just trying to convince himself?
---micha9344 on 7/21/12


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You are right, I can't find anything in scripture about it.
---Smitty on 7/20/12


Sorry about the link/

Ok Smitty, first tell me what bible teaching?

And it may be that those so-called moon walks were done on a sound stage at CIA headquarters or something.

See if you can believe this, look for:
"New LROC images offer sharper views of Apollo 12, 14, 17 sites"
Or are these pictures are made up to?

Here why this offends me so much men and women have given their lives in this pursuit.
And you make light of it. Yes, men went to the moon, walk on it and came back to earth.
Yea, but maybe Im just a fool!
You never know who youre talking too.
Until they talk!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/20/12


Jerry6593 // Your post is scientifically bankrupt and silly at best.

It is silly in view of the fact that our God is not limited or restricted in regard to time. He may have created the world in 24 hour periods, or simply called it into being at His Word.

I am inclined to beleive that in accordance to what the Scripture teaches, the world was calling into existence simply by His word. He did not have to wait 24 hours between events.

Those that seem to have a real hung-up with this issue are those that support observance of the old Jewish Sabbath.
---lee1538 on 7/20/12


Seg/Warwick, Your illustrations are fine to a point.
Every one knows the moon circles the earth and if you call that "rotating" fine,it rotates "around the earth".
But,the moon is stationary,does not twist, turn or spin.
In that reference,it does not rotate,turn or spin!
Rotate comes from the Latin "rot",wheel,every one knows a wheel spins!
---1st_cliff on 7/20/12


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Jerry, I am having it adjusted as we speak.
---Smitty on 7/20/12


Smitty,

Yeah, some people will believe anything, won't they?
---atheist on 7/20/12


Smitty: Your post is scientifically bankrupt and silly at best. You need to adjust your tinfoil hat.


---jerry6593 on 7/20/12


It may just be that the earth is stationary. That would go along with bible teaching. And it may be that those so-called moon walks were done on a sound stage at CIA headquarters or something.
---Smitty on 7/19/12


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Well, that put a whole new light on it.
Not what you said, but that you are convinced!
Theyre even people who say the earth is not rotating at all and their also convinced!
Im also sure if you look hard enough youll find some who even believe the world is flat.

But, if you want to convince me, first you have to understand that it is rotating.
But, since you are convinced, its not! There really is no reason to talk about it any more.
Well at lease not with me. Mind you now, I am not saying your wrong.
Just that, I really dont see things the way you do.

micha9344, please dont say, I told you so.
Wow, hard to believe!
Peace



---TheSeg on 7/19/12


Warwick, you never said such a thing. We differ in the way we answer. Not that you said such and such. You never spoke about a choice, that was my idea altogether. Sorry you understood it that way. I agree on what you have said to athiest.
He just doesn't understand spiritual things. He is no different then those who are lost. They have a will but it is in bondage. Notice, no one has a gun to his head so that he doesn't go against his will. He has that freedom, but no desire for Christ. Only a miracle from God can transform athiest. A supernatural miracle.
---Mark_V. on 7/19/12


Mark, where did I say we have a choice about when we die, other than if we commit suicide?
---Warwick on 7/19/12


Seg, Not all scientists agree,some are convinced (like me) that the moon does indeed "not" rotate.
When the astronauts landed on the moon,they watched the earth rotate,the moon faced the earth at all times moving in a circular orbit, never spinning on it's axis.
Tie an object with a string,paint the side attached to the string,swing it around in circles,the painted side will always face you and cannot rotate because it is "fixed" like the moon and gravity!
You are confusing orbiting with rotating!
synonym= spin. Does the moon "spin"?
---1st_cliff on 7/19/12


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Cliff, draw a circle representing the earth. Cut a paper 'moon.' With the moon directly above the earth write 'A' where it is closest to the earth.

Always keeping 'A' closest to the earth move it 90 degrees. Move it a further 90 degrees. Move it again 90 degrees then again to the starting position. Notice the 'moon' has rotated 360 degrees while completing one orbit of the earth.

Write 'B' on your moon directly opposite (180 degrees) 'A.' Again make your moon orbit earth keeping 'B' in a vertical position. 'A' no longer faces the earth during its trip.

Example 'a' shows the moon rotated once, in 'b' it has not rotated at all.
---Warwick on 7/19/12


I cannot believe in God.
If I did, He would be a sadistic god, therefore He must not exist.
How logical is that?!?
---micha9344 on 7/19/12


1st_cliff, why dont you just look it up?
Youre thinking of it, from the perspective of the earth.
Try to imagine looking at it from a still position out in space.
Or just call a school or planetarium.

You can also draw eight circles on a piece of paper. (In a circle like the moon going round the earth)
From each circle draw a line to a center point. Now look at each circle one at a time
See how the position of the line changes in a circular motion. Well thats rotation.

God bless you man, you sure are a hard one!
But do call a school or planetarium, or just up it up!
Peace!
---TheSeg on 7/19/12


Athiest, I differ somewhat from Warwick, unless you commit suicide, you have no choice when you are going to die. There is a God and you know it in your heart, because God has revealed Himself to you. Nothing creates itself out of nothing.
"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so you are without excuse"
You look up at the heavens and say there is no heaven. The passage then says, your without excuse,
"because, although you knew God, you did not glorified Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in your thoughts, and your foolish heart was darkened"
---Mark_V. on 7/19/12


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Atheist, on the contrary you do judge "Jed, A loving god would have no hell. An egotistical sadistic god would." As you judge so will you be judged.

How can we have justice if there is no judgement and no punishment?

Interestingly and revealingly you spend considerable time and effort attacking what you believe does not exist.
---Warwick on 7/19/12


(There is no choice involved.)
Yes, I believe this too. How can a man choose, God?
Even Christ said you have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.

(You will die.)
This is also true, you will die. As we all!
But this thing you cant believe, nor understand the Resurrection.
Some men go to war willingly giving there lives for what they believe.
You can understand that, right.
Well these men did the same.
Just so you might believe!

(There is no heaven or hell or god.)
Because, I atheist have said it, and this is what I believe.
Atheist, will you willingly give your life for that?

(I cannot judge that which does not exist.)
Nor can you judge that which does.
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/19/12


A theist: "There is no heaven or hell or god."

Prove it!


---jerry6593 on 7/19/12


Warwick, The earth rotates (spins on it's axis) the moon does not. If the moon rotated (spun) we would see the dark side over a 28 day cycle!
The moon is moving on the earth's axis not spinning on it's own!
The moon has never turned around but is in a fixed (by gravity) orbit,turning with the earth is not rotating!
---1st_cliff on 7/19/12


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Warwick,

There is no choice involved. You will die. There is no heaven or hell or god.

I cannot judge that which does not exist.
---atheist on 7/18/12


Atheist I am sure many are entertained by your arrogance in judging God. You can't even answer questions upon your world view but consider yourself an expert on God.

You do not have to go to hell, no one does, it's a choice.
---Warwick on 7/18/12


Jed,

A loving god would have no hell.

An egotistical sadistic god would.

It's that simple.

Oh no! I hear thunder.....

Nope. It was just the trash truck.
---atheist on 7/18/12


Atheist, I did not say I am God. I said if I were God and you were mocking me to my face, I would strike you with lightning. I did not say I would strike you dead. But again, I am not as loving as God. The point is that you falsely acuse God of sending people to hell when he does nothing of the sort. He has gone through great pains (literally) to keep people from going there. You willfully reject God's free gift and choose hell instead.
---Jed on 7/18/12


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Cliff, you can do the experiment. For the moon to circle the earth, keeping the same face towards the earth means it has to rotate once for every circling of the earth. If it didn't keep the same face pointing to the earth it would not rotate. But as it does, it does! Pure mechanics! Just the same for the race car. I had a look the moon has no string, but that would change nothing.
---Warwick on 7/18/12


Jed,

You are just one lean mean god-loving machine, now aren't you?

Strike me dead with lightning? Wow! No sense of proportion. Wouldn't you do someone like Assad of Syria first? Why little ole me? I haven't mass murdered ever. Cross my heart and hope to die.

But you being god,---you would work in mysterious ways, and murder is nothing compared to insult. Or is it?
---atheist on 7/18/12


Atheist, God is a loving God. He's so loving that was publicly crucified on a cross to prevent people from experiencing that eternal tortue. But many like yourself, refuse that gift and choose the eternal tortue anyways. I don't know why they would choose that. That is what is crazy. You choose eternal tortue over heaven and you think we're crazy? The fact that God even allows you to continue breathing after blaspheming him like this is proof of his love. It I were God, I would strike you with lightning right now, but God is far more loving than I am.
---Jed on 7/18/12


What a crazy God some propose that is said to be a loving father, but condemns those to eternal torture for not believing in him.
---atheist on 7/18/12


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Warwick,When you drive your race car on a circular track,revolving around a fixed point does your vehicle "rotate"? (it does if you spin out)otherwise it simply "revolves" around a fixed point ,not "rotating"?
Tie a string on a ball and swing it around in a circle,did it "rotate" around it's axis???
---1st_cliff on 7/18/12


1) moon doesn't rotate. (dont repeat this to anyone!)
Are you serious the moon doesn't rotate? How old are you?
Before you said that you should have looked it up.
You do have internet right.
The moon rotates on its own axis once every 28 days (approx). The rate of rotation is equal to the time it takes the moon to orbit the earth (once every 28 days). Since the moon orbits the earth in the same direction as the moon orbits around its own axis, the one side of the mood always faces the earth.

2) read Gen 1:16-19
3) if not God thought Christ then who?
little light bulb that comes on when finally something is understood!) You watch too many cartoon.

Stop!
---TheSeg on 7/17/12


TheSeg,
It is hard to discuss a matter with someone who will throw any type of so-called knowledge into the mix just so not to believe.
The unbelief of 1st_Cliff is staggering.
Yet, nothing is still impossible with God.
---micha9344 on 7/17/12


1stCliff, actually the moon does rotate. It has a rotation period that is equal to it's revolution period, meaning it makes one full rotation on it's axis for every full revolution around the earth. This is why the same side of the moon is always facing earth. The other side of the moon is always facing away from earth. If the moon did not rotate at all then we would be able to view the moon from all sides by viewing it at different times during it's revolution and only one side of the moon would receive sunlight. All sides of the moon recieve sunlight, but only one side faces earth.
---Jed on 7/17/12


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Oh but the noon does rotate, once for every complete circuit around the earth.
---Smitty on 7/17/12


Cliff, 'And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. And you say this light could also "mean understanding." You have plumbed the depths of nonsense here Cliff.

The moon does indeed rotate as it orbits the earth. Its rate of rotatioin exactly matches its rate of orbiting so the same face is always facing the earth.
---Warwick on 7/17/12


Seg,
#1 The moon doesn't rotate.
#2 God made two great lights, but it doesn't say exactly "when".
#3 The fact that God "can" do anything doesn't mean he did!
Light can also mean understanding, you know the little light bulb that comes on when finally something is understood!
---1st_cliff on 7/17/12


With or without sun, I am sure God was able to know how long it was taking Him to do something (c:

Paul says, "the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." (in Romans 8:21) If "the creation" is delivered into our "glorious liberty", doesn't this include our resurrectional glory of our bodies?

From this, I can see that "the creation" could have been in some resurrectional, more spiritual state before the fall of Adam and Eve, including during creation. But certain archeologists and physicists are assuming that our present physical principles were operating during the beginning of the universe.
---willie_c: on 7/17/12


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Omnipresent doesnt that mean he is everywhere?
Are you saying God cant be in the dark, way is he afraid of it?
It says in him is no darkness at all, within him!

It also says And the earth was without form, and void.
Anything formed out in space would naturally rotation, everything!

it does not say they were created "on" that day!
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights.

The vegitation created on day 3 could not grow without sunlight!
Why God cant make something grow without sun light?

Your right: A great assumption takes place here!
Sorry 1st_cliff, it just that God can do anything.

Jerry, sorry for stepping in but, God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/17/12


Jerry,
**#1 (indicating rotation)**
Does that mean He positioned Himself on one side of earth??? (what about omnipresent?)

**#2 God radiates light...no sun necessary**
There was alternately darkness and light,so did God turn Himself off and on like a light bulb???

A great assumption takes place here ,day4 describes the "reason" for sun and moon and their relation to earth, it does not say they were created "on" that day!
In fact light was "created" on day 1! God did not "create" His own radiance on day 1!
The vegitation created on day 3 could not grow without sunlight!
---1st_cliff on 7/17/12


If the first 3 days of creation were of different length to the last 3 days why would God inscribe on tablets of stone "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them," Exodus 20:11 How could God expect the Israelites to know what this meant if they were not 6 days? How could they have known when the Sabbath was? They couldn't and would have been put to death, as God commanded for Sabbath breaking in Exodus 19:14 & 15.

What a crazy God some propose, one who kills those who work on the Sabbath, when (if these people are correct) they could not have known when the Sabbath was!
---Warwick on 7/17/12


Atheist: Are you now interested in what the Bible says? Study for yourself, and I'll help you when you get stuck.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


---jerry6593 on 7/17/12


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James,
It is not the "cycle of the Sun that defines 24 hours."
It is God who defines a "day."
It is man who sees that day pass as one rotation of the Earth, whether the Sun is there or not.
Our form of time has been divided equally into 24 hour segments.
This was not the case in Bible times.
24 hours consisted of 12 daylight hours and 12 nighttime hours.
It was the location of the Sun, Moon, and stars to the horizon that would determine which hour it was.
But, in both cases, 24 hours still made up "one day."
Hence "evening and morning, one day"
God proclaimed this to Moses knowing how man interpreted time because He made it that way.
---micha9344 on 7/16/12


Jerry:

2) God radiates light Himself, so no sun was necessary while He was present. (So then it would seem god is now gone...?)

5) God Himself wrote in stone that the process took SIX DAYS, with no distinction as to a difference in the first three. (Where in the bible does it say this, and where did those stones go?)
---atheist on 7/16/12


The bible does not say that the sun defines a day.
Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

It is light and dark
day and night even before there was sun
---francis on 7/16/12


So, during the first day there was no sun reported to have been created. But it does say that God said, "Let there be light," and it does say there were "the evening and the morning" which "were the first day."

And it looks clear that it was on the fourth day when God made the "two great lights".

However . . . there already was light, on the first day, though not the two "lights". And it was a day. And I will offer that God can tell how long that day was (c:
---willie_c: on 7/15/12


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James: Several ways:

1) God said that the 3 days had mornings and evenings (indicating rotation) just like the others.

2) God radiates light Himself, so no sun was necessary while He was present.

3) Angular momentum. Speeding up the planetary rotation suddenly would tear the planet apart.

4) Day 3 vegetation could not endure long periods of light or darkness.

5) God Himself wrote in stone that the process took SIX DAYS, with no distinction as to a difference in the first three.

6) God commands us to count 6 days and rest the 7th based solely on the exactness of a 6 equal day Creation. If the 1st 3 were different, how long would our week be, and how would we count the days?


---jerry6593 on 7/16/12


Maybe because God said let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the evening and the morning were the first day.

So there was day and night before the first day!
I mean going by what God said.
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/15/12


I don't think it is really possible to know how long those days were.
---Smitty on 7/15/12


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