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During a campaign speech today, Obama said that people do not earn their own success. He said that if you are successful, it's becuase of other people, not anything that you've done. So my question is this: Do you think people are responsible for their own success?

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Shira, it's a shame you can't discern good and evil. What Bible verse says one can LIE and slander out of jesting just for the heck of it. "Let not any such jesting conversation come out of any Christian's mouth." Beck is no christian. Neither are you.

Even those who were following him are now disgusted with this last ploy.

If he's your cup of tea, so be it. It only reinforces my feelings on how hypocritical you are with your supposed fundamental beliefs and "in words and action" denying those beliefs.

An idle mind is the playground of an idle mind.

Jed was way out of line repeating such garbage, no matter who it's about.

If you approve Glenn Becks lies re Harry Reid, YOU TOO are a liar.
---kathr4453 on 8/4/12


1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.


Elder if you really were a expert on GOD's WISDOM, as Proverbs is, you would know that verse INCLUDES Revelation.

So are you the dead beat husband who sits at the gate all day while your wife works and supports you?

No wonder you like Proverbs 31!
---kathr4453 on 8/4/12


kathr, I am lying again but couldn't stop myself this time. Glen Beck has a world of wisdom even tho he is a mormon. He is another Einstein of how the world works and how demonic forces are taking over the free country we live in. He is a patriot to our flag and an advocate of freedom four our country in the way our forefathers meant. Its a shame you are so shallow you can't decern evil from good. It is rather pitiful.
---shira4368 on 8/4/12


"What that purpose may be, we should know by now..and so should ELDER, our great Revelation Expert."
kathr4453
I am also an expert on the book of Proverbs. I see that you are not a Proverbs 31:10-31 woman but more like a chapter 7:10-27 type.
I believe that it is time that ChristiaNet reigned you in like they did your counter-ego Eloy.
---Elder on 8/4/12


Kathr, definately off her meds for sure.
---Jed on 8/4/12




The double standard here is humerous. Shira insists Obana is hiding something...and Jed is paroting Glenn Beck.

Harry Reid, a Mormon, accuses Mitt Romney of being a felon for HIDING his tax returns, while another Mormon, Glen Beck, who is not well liked even by conservatives, plays THE Eye for an EYE, tooth for a tooth, NON CHRISTLIKE mud-slinging filthy politics JED JUST LOVES, and has been using CN to post his own Glen Beck Mentality here and all over.

So now we know who Jed listens to and has been brainwashed by...


Right Jed, you didn't think that up on your own. Your UNSUCCESSFUL post here WAS someone-elses.

OK, now lets quickly change the subject to welfare!
---kathr4453 on 8/4/12


So why was Glenn Beck fired from FOX News? Declining ratings? Concern that Beck would make Republicans look really bad heading into 2012? Recognition that he's a loose cannon and not exactly a team player? Embarrassment among the rank and file, if not throughout the entire organization?

Answer: Go figure!

Jed obviously worships Glenn and his unethical practices to just get a rise out of people for RATINGS!
---kathr453 on 8/4/12


I would answer yes and no
Yes, our choices lead to success
No, we never are alone responsible
Firstly, God made us and gives us talent - to Him be the glory
Secondly, people and our environment shape us
Thirdly, all those who assisted us along the way - family, friends, supporters/sponsors, teachers, peers, those from whom we gleaned ideas - both living and long gone
If you're successful, share how it came about and rejoice in all ways to praise God and credit people
"God gives and God takes away"
---Fleur on 8/3/12


Have you heard the disturbing accusation about Harry Reid being a pedophile rapist? The tip came from an "anonymous" source. Sure, there are no facts behind this idiotic claim, but hey, using Reid's own standards we just have to accept it as truth until he proves otherwise.
---Jed on 8/3/12


Here in Qatar we lucky not to have corruption.
---Hamid on 8/3/12




Shira, you're no different than any other name caller here on line. Just waiting in the bushes to jump, or twit, or twitter some garbage no one really cares about.

I'm not promoting Obama, silly little woman. If you actually read the posts, I said NO ONE's Hands are clean. But until YOU dear have absolute PROOF Obama is hiding something, and not just caught up in GOSSIP and Right wing spin heads, YOU, according to God are guilty of blood on your hands.

According to MarkV's doctrine GOD put him in office. So go chew on that one.

The Bible does say God sets up kings and takes them down according to HIS PURPOSE.
What that purpose may be, we should know by now..and so should ELDER, our great Revelation Expert.


---kathr4453 on 8/3/12


micha9344 on 8/3/12

Really. Maybe you should e-mail Limbaugh, Hannety, O'Riley, Bortz and the likes who refuse to allow anyone to talk WHO DISAGREES with them.

And to use the Word of God to shame someone you want to shup up, because you don't want to hear what others who disagree with you have to say..

OH but If I was on a I hate Obama speech hate binge, no such comment would have ever been made.

NOW IT'S 21! But, I'm not preventing anyone else from posting am I? Then that would be a sin!

And you wasted a post to say???? NOTHING!
---kathr4453 on 8/3/12


How is it that Kathr is able to go on these long psychotic rants that go on for several posts in a row? I thought there was a rule against posting several posts in a row. Whenever someone else does it their posts are deleted.
---Jed on 8/3/12


kathr, go back and study civics and tell me all presidents contributed to the corruption of the current administration. obama is the only one who keeps hiding his background. now I wonder why he has done such especially when I think of who he paled around with.I have never heard elder call anyone a name. He has corrected you and eloy. I still think you and eloy are married because you have like beliefs.
---shira4368 on 8/3/12


since Aug 1 there has been 20 posts, 13 from kathr and 7 from evertyone else.
Pro 10:19 In the multitude of words sin is not lacking, But he who restrains his lips [is] wise.
---micha9344 on 8/3/12


Roosevelt used SS funds to build the Atomic Bomb, Truman used SS Funds, Eisenhower used SS to build the Interstate and Kennedy and every President since has used SS Funds.


The SS Administration is the largest creditor of the U.S. government. The reality is that the actual SS fund hasn't/isn't directly being raided for anything. Rather, the normal U.S. budget process has become addicted to the easy credit that the SS fund has provided.
---kathr4453 on 8/3/12


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Congress authorized the spending about $98,700,000,000 that was borrowed from the Old Age and Survivors' Trust Fund AKA Social Security during the 8 years of the Bush administration.


I wonder when THAT will be repaid, and when.
---kathr4452 on 8/3/12


It is thought to have been the biggest international cash airlift of all time, when $12billion in aid was flown by the Bush administration to postwar Iraq.

And now, for the first time, investigators auditing the cash have admitted that more than half of that huge amount may have been stolen when it got there in 'the largest theft of funds in national history'.
The Pentagon is finally closing the books on the reconstruction programme in Iraq but still cannot say what happened to $6.6billion of the money.


No one ever heard of a bank transfer? 12 BILLION in CASH was sent on a plane?

Jed may want to analyze that. Nuts? Doesn't take a DR of Clinical Psychology to figure that one out.
---kathr4453 on 8/3/12


Looking at this from purely a Christian perspective, success or failure is a mute point. The question is what did you do with what you got?

If you think of the parable of the master and the slaves whom had been given certain amounts of talents, then your wisdom in using what God has given you is what is important.

Is Obama's statement correct? Only in a convoluted humanistic sense, under which there is no God and your success of failure is controlled by the good will of your government and willingness of people to use your product. But, I don't believe in a God-less worldview.
---Chip on 8/2/12


Jed: ---So, like NurseRobert mentioned, your business must not use electricity, phone, Internet, water, or the roads.

By the way, was your education public or private? If it was public, the taxpayers paid for it. If it was private, your parents paid for it. Did you pay cash for college and grad school, or did you get grants and/or loans? Just based on your first twelve years of education, you did not do it all by yourself. Someone, other than you, financed it.
---Trish on 7/17/12

I totally agree Trish.

Jed obviously made so much money in his pest control business, he paid CASH for his higher education.
---kathr4453 on 8/2/12


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"...Didn't Bill Clinton BALANCE the Budget before he left office? I do believe he did." -kathr4453 on 8/2/12
That is a false statement spread as rumors often do.
He did have the least yearly debt percentage increase average than any president since 1968 (4.29%) and the lowest single year average since 1957 (0.3%).
Obama on the other hand, has had the highest average increase in the past 60 years (14.41%) and the 2nd highest single year increase percentage (18.8%)
The last time the outstanding debt decreased was 1957.
The lowest outstanding debt we ever had was in 1835 at just under 34,000.
We started out with a 71 million dollar debt in 1790.
34,000 in national debt is what I call a "balanced budget."
---micha9344 on 8/2/12


"Didn't Bill Clinton BALANCE the Budget before he left office? I do believe he did."
kathr4453
kathr as usual you tell a half truth and that's a total lie. Anyone who "knows" as much as you do shouldn't have to do that. How did Clinton balance the budget? He took from SSI that's how. Your left wing socialist views tell on you. You know the talk but are still sitting under the goard like Jonah.
***Hey, Jed, when dealing with kathr is it confusing to you whether you should use your mental health abilities or your pest control skills?
---Elder on 8/2/12


Is good people can help mental disease.
---Hamid on 8/2/12


Kathr, what's wrong? Your feble mind can't comprehend the fact that I started my pest control business before I got into mental health?
---Jed on 8/2/12


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---micha9344 on 8/1/12

micha9344, I do NOT support the democrats, I do NOT support the new Obama Care, I DO NOT support any of this nonsense from BOTH Republican and Democrats.

Ir's the "TEA Party" Republicans who want to put an end to this spending. But with that, you're asking for even more radical issues, that won't solve problems either, when compassion is left out of the equation.

Funny thing, in TX, a TEA Party Republican won over a very very conservative Republican.

And what about John Roberts...our Conservative HOPE. Don't thank me...thank him!

Didn't happen.

Didn't Bill Clinton BALANCE the Budget before he left office? I do believe he did.
---kathr4453 on 8/2/12


Let's face facts here. This is a Christian site. AND any Christian, especially one who teaches Revelation should be telling you guys that OUR HOPE is not in this world PERIOD! It's not in the Democrats, Republicans or Tea Party. It's not in America or anywhere else. It's IN CHRIST, and OUR HOME is seated with Christ in Heavenly Places IN CHRIST.

He's become so brainwashed by FOX News, that they are now his god. He looks to them for advise, strength and truth. SAD!

The END is coming forks, it's not going to get FIXED by anyone.

So my suggestion is, LOOK UP, and OBEY Colossians 3:1-4, and the Peace of God will keep you NO MATTER WHAT comes our way!
---kathr4453 on 8/2/12


Elder, I don't like Obama any more than you do, however, I do believe these statistics. ALL Presidents carry the burden of those before him. Many issues today go back to Jimmy Carter.

NO Republican President ever ran up our debt like Bush...not to mention the bait and switch re: WAR. George is no saint by any stretch of the imagination. And it's interesting Christians who did not want Romney RE being Mormon, have no qualms about that at all today.

Obama is not responsible for the corruption on wall street, Fanny May, and banks, or Enron.

OH, have you forgotten George and Osama were FRIENDS and Osama was invited to Texas way back when. Father Bush armed Iraq during the Gulf war...

No one's hands are clean here!
---kathr4453 on 8/1/12


Elder, why the sarcasm? Can people disagree without the sarcasm and name calling?

Are you actually saying Obama or Bush ALL BY THEMSELF spent all this money? No checks and balances? The House or Senate has no say?

Come on, even honest Republicans take responsibility knowing they jointly together got us in this mess.

Who was the "FIRST" with bail outs?

People may take you more serious if you were at least honest about these facts.

But just like all talking heads, if anyone brings it up, they cut you off, call names and go off the deep.
---kathr4453 on 8/1/12


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Bush threw GM and Chrysler their first lifelines without congressional approval. After Congress voted specifically to prevent an auto bailout, Bush turned to the overly broad and hastily written TARP statute.

President Bush erred when he said he had abandoned free market principles to save the free market. What he had really done was write his successor a blank check.

It was President Bush who started the U.S. down this road, and President Obama took full advantage of this unlimited political line of credit, and used TARP as a justification for limitless executive meddling in economic decisions best left to private stakeholders.
---kathr4453 on 8/1/12


kathr,
Those figures are so misleading, it's almost deceptive.
First of all 5.9T to 10.6T is 81% and 10.6T to 14.1T is a 33% increase if these figures are accurate.
8 years of Bush 81% increase
2 years of Obama 33% increase
The way Obama is going
at an increase of 33% every 2 years for 8 years would result in over 33T.
This is an increase of over 200% in 8 years.
Way to support the democrats kathr.
---micha9344 on 8/1/12


Obama has spent and wasted more money than all of the presidents so how could the stats of kathr be right?
As usual it's kathr, you know the one that thinks that everyone wants to sign a pact with her. How could you do that anyway is "beyond my pay grade."
---Elder on 8/1/12


National Debt Increased by 75% under Bush and 25% under Obama:

2001 $5.871 trillion
2008 $10.640 trillion

National Debt Increased 25% Under Obama:

Jan 31st 2009 = $10.569-trillion

Jan 31st 2011 = $14.131-trillionBut of the $3.56-trillion increase, 98% was carry over from Bush programs:

Bush: $910-billion = Interest on Debt 2009/2011
Bush: $360-billion = Iraq War Spending 2009/2011
Bush: $319-billion = TARP/Bailout Balance from 2008 (as of May 2010)
Bush: $419-billion = Bush Recession Caused Drop in taxes
Bush: $190-billion = Bush Medicare Drug Program 2009/2011
Bush: $211-billion = Bush Meicare Part-D 2009/2011
Bush: $771-billion = Bush Tax Cuts 2009/201
---kathr4453 on 8/1/12


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None of the above. I already stated I worked another full time job for years while building my business. I saved every penny I could and put it right back into my business until I was able to quit my other job. When I started my business I had $200 to my name and car that I paid $250 for. I've never had a loan. I knew you only wanted to know what type of busienss I own so you can try to tell me how I didn't build it on my own. You're so predictable.
---Jed on 7/25/12

So Jed, those 4 years required to become a DOCTOR of Clinical Psychology...you had money to pay your schooling without any LOANS or Pel Grants?

Do tell...

OR are there two Jed's here?
---kathr4453 on 8/1/12


Murse, I own a pest control company. Not that it is any of your business.
---Jed on 7/25/12


Nope...it's just the one and only JED. The MURSE is the give-away here.
---kathr4453 on 8/1/12


Jed, you may just want to pipe down a little about your views RE Government, hating liberals, because, believe it or not the DHS has now trained their officers to believe "All pest control companies are preparing mass poisonings." Especially pest control companies who are extreme right wing conservatives.

I'm actually not kidding here. However, this being true, AND adding your anti Government views here, you may find yourself under surveillance without knowing it.
---kathr4453 on 8/1/12


"ya'all really picked a winner this time.."
NurseRobert
Yea, well you never did. You picked a loser.
The debt increase under Bush after 8 years and 7 years of war was 20.01%. Under Obama after 3 years was 46.38%.
He still follows Bush policies for two reasons, 1. they work, 2. he has none of his own.
Yep you sure picked a certified loser and he is causing everyone else to lose. ---Elder on 7/26/12

Well said. The poser is a completed loser. His supporting platforms/causes are not of GOD. The collective losers will be his supporters...at YAH's final election.
Posers defenders reveal a postration/submission of themselves.....in adoration of his evil positions.
---Trav on 7/27/12


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"ya'all really picked a winner this time.."
NurseRobert
Yea, well you never did. You picked a loser.
The debt increase under Bush after 8 years and 7 years of war was 20.01%. Under Obama after 3 years was 46.38%.
He still follows Bush policies for two reasons, 1. they work, 2. he has none of his own.
Yep you sure picked a certified loser and he is causing everyone else to lose.
The liberal media reported that less people applied for unemployment in July. I guess so everyone else applied before July.
---Elder on 7/26/12


The presumed repub canidate is holding a number of "We Did Build This" programs thoughout the country. Problem is, at least half of the people claiming to have done this recieved goverment subsidies in the way of bonds, grants, loans and other support...

ya'all really picked a winner this time..
---NurseRobert on 7/26/12


Think what you want Jed, I asked becuase I was curious what you did. So suspicious.. mercy..

BTW. Your use of the word Murse is immature. If you chose to have an adult conversation you should probably act like one.
---NurseRobert on 7/25/12


I would be curious to know how you started it? Tell us, did you borrow money to start it? Did someone give you the money for it? Maybe you inherited the business?
---NurseRobert on 7/25/12

None of the above. I already stated I worked another full time job for years while building my business. I saved every penny I could and put it right back into my business until I was able to quit my other job. When I started my business I had $200 to my name and car that I paid $250 for. I've never had a loan. I knew you only wanted to know what type of busienss I own so you can try to tell me how I didn't build it on my own. You're so predictable.
---Jed on 7/25/12


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Jed, are you ashamed of your business? If not, why are you afraid to tell us about it. I have no doubt you worked hard to build your business. Most small business fail within the first year so, if your busiess is growing, congratulations.

I would be curious to know how you started it? Tell us, did you borrow money to start it? Did someone give you the money for it? Maybe you inherited the business?
---NurseRobert on 7/25/12


Murse, I own a pest control company. Not that it is any of your business.
---Jed on 7/25/12


Recently, Romney ran a commercial showing a gentleman who "built" his own business "through hard work and a little bit of luck". Nice homey commercial..

What Romney didn't mention was that company received $800,000 in tax-exempt revenue bonds to set up a plant and buy new equipment.

Yeah, he built his own business all by himself.

Oh, and Jed, you STILL havent answered the question. Guess we will never know.
---NurseRobert on 7/25/12


Elder I agree with you. My husband built our Floor Covering business with no ones help. He even worked alone for the first years of starting the business. It was his sweat,weary bones,and knowing the people of the town that got him work. It was only his reputation for excellent work which kept people calling him even 20 or more years later to do more work for them. Obama's ignorance of how small business works in America is showing loud and clear. How dare he dismiss all the hard work it takes to make a business work and produce a living. I know one thing Bush may not have been perfect but our business never got this bad until Obama had been President for a while.
---Darlene_1 on 7/19/12


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I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the bank, the investors. There is no question your mom and dad, your school teachers. The people who provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help. - Mitt Romney

Gee, even the savior of the republican party agrees with Obama..
---NurseRobert on 7/19/12


No Jed, the idea in the speech was that success is impossible unless we all work together. That as a society individuals may succeed with hard work, but without the help of others real success is impossible.
---atheist on 7/18/12

No, that's not what he said or conveyed. But good job regurgitating what you've heard on the liberal news. Very impressive skill. But even the philosphy that you just conveyed is wrong.
---Jed on 7/18/12


The "publicly funded infrastructure" was paid for disproportionately by successful people, including those that built businesses. So Obama forces business owners to pay for public systems, then adds thousands (millions?) of regulations and requirements that only business owners have to abide by - and fund - and THEN he has the nerve to say they didn't actually build their businesses, they had "help" from those same mandated services, bureaucrats, regulations, and requirements. I wonder what percentage of entrepreneurs would prefer a government that protects individual rights - only - instead of one that regularly tramples them.
---Jed on 7/18/12


"No Jed, the idea in the speech was that success is impossible unless we all work together. That as a society individuals may succeed with hard work, but without the help of others real success is impossible."
---atheist on 7/18/12

I am Nana and I approve this message as I see no untruth in it.
---Nana on 7/19/12


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No Jed, the idea in the speech was that success is impossible unless we all work together. That as a society individuals may succeed with hard work, but without the help of others real success is impossible.
---atheist on 7/18/12


Nana, thank you for telling us all how much of a socialist you are. But you conveniently selected a particular line from the entire speech to make it appear as if Obama wasn't trying to take credit away from successful people. You left out all the parts where he said successful people didn't get where they are through working harder than others, and that it is nothing special that they did themselves. If you listen to the whole speech the message was that people are not individually responsible for their own success. That successful people don't have the right to take credit for their own success. It was more of his same old "rich people don't deserve it" and "people only get rich off the backs of the poor" garbage.
---Jed on 7/18/12


"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help, Obama said. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If youve got a business -- you didnt build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Obama said.
I am Nana and I approve that message as I see no untruth in it.
---Nana on 7/18/12


Jed, what kind of business do you have?
---NurseRobert on 7/18/12


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Jed: I heard the speech. When he said "You didn't build that," he's referring to the roads and bridges, not the business.

Talk about bearing false witness. You take the cake.
---Trish on 7/18/12

That is a complete lie! His exact words were "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Someone else made that happen." That is the exact quote. He was not talking about roads and bridges. You are more of a liar than Obama himself!
---Jed on 7/18/12


Jed: There you go showing me you can't read. I told you I read quotes of the speech on the Fox News website, NOT MSNBC. I found two speeches by Obama on Youtube last night. One was an hour long. I have not had time to listen to it, but will be sure to do that. I do believe that reading something in quotation marks on Fox's website should count for something.
---Trish on 7/18/12


Jed: It's funny that you don't count your education as help in being successful.

I am a retired Philadelphia teacher. I have taught in terrible schools, where supplies were so lacking, I had to by my own cases of paper to use in the copier. Then, I have taught in some excellent schools, where supplies were abundant. The standardized test score of the bad schools were not as good as those of the good schools.

As far as the teachers got their salaries, so they don't get credit, you show the typical ignorance society has about teachers. Good teachers spend countless hours at night preparing their lessons, and usually spend hundreds of dollars of their own money on extra supplies they need.
---Trish on 7/18/12


Jed: I heard the speech. When he said "You didn't build that," he's referring to the roads and bridges, not the business.

Talk about bearing false witness. You take the cake.
---Trish on 7/18/12


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Trish, you're foolish assumption that building a business has anything to do with your K-12 education is rediculous. Everyone goes to school. Strange though, everyone isn't successful are they? Why? Because success is obtained through hard work, discipline, sacrifice, and good choices, not from receiving an education. Many successful business owners I know have never even made it to high school before being thrust into the work force at a young age. As far as my college education, I paid for every dime of that.
---Jed on 7/18/12


Jed: I noticed you did not address my point about your education, before college. Did you go to public or private schools? If you went to public schools, the taxpayers paid for it, not you, and therefore, you did not get a high school diploma on just your own merit. If you went to private school, I am pretty certain that you did not pay that tuition to get you through K-12th grade. If your parents paid for private school tuition for you, then you had help from your parents.

What about college and grad school? Did you pay cash for that, out of your own earnings? Did your parents pay for any of it?
---Trish on 7/18/12


Trish, the video is all over youtube so if you "weren't albe to find it", it's because you weren't looking very hard and didn't really care about seeing for yourself. But would rather let MSNBC tell you what was said and how he said it. The fact is that Obama DID say that people don't become successful by working harder than others. Why would you doubt he said this? This is what he's been saying throughout his whole presidency. He was just a little more direct toward attacking business owners this time.
---Jed on 7/18/12


Trish, your arguments that he needs the phone and other things for his business is not a good argument since he has to pay for all those things. That's why the companies make money, and build more stuff, so that you can pay for them out of your own sweat. Unless of course you get everything free.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12


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So, like NurseRobert mentioned, your business must not use electricity, phone, Internet, water, or the roads.
---Trish on 7/17/12

Of course my business does, don't be stupid. I PAY for the electricity, phone, internet, water, and building. No one gave me anything or helped me out. I PAID for those things myself. So I built my business, not those people. I don't get tax-payer's money like Obama's pet "alternative energy" companies like Solyndra. When you pay someone for a service or product, they are not helping you out or giving you anything, they are working for themselves. What is wrong with you? If having a road to drive on is what builds your business then everyone would have a successful business.
---Jed on 7/18/12


Jed: There is definitely something seriously wrong with your reading ability. I already told you that I searched the Internet and couldn't find the speech, which happens to be spelled with two e's and no a.

So, like NurseRobert mentioned, your business must not use electricity, phone, Internet, water, or the roads.

By the way, was your education public or private? If it was public, the taxpayers paid for it. If it was private, your parents paid for it. Did you pay cash for college and grad school, or did you get grants and/or loans? Just based on your first twelve years of education, you did not do it all by yourself. Someone, other than you, financed it.
---Trish on 7/17/12


"Who built your infrastructure? The building youre in, the roads you use, the power you use, the phone lines you use."
Well, who cares? When my wife and I started a buisness we paid for eveyone of these things. So no one helped us at all. No one gave us anything.
I didn't get government help, like some of the posters here, to go to school either. It wasn't available and/or the school wasn't "approved."
I stand to lose property right now so how many of you here want to help?
---Elder on 7/18/12


Trish, NurseRoberts, those people that built the roads and buildings were doing a job that they were PAID to do. I don't owe them anything for building my business. They didn't do that. They didn't risk or sacrifice anything for my business, I did that all on my own. You guys have no idea what you are talking about. You obviously don't know what goes into building a business. And I did not take anything out of context Trish. You didn't even listen to the speech and you're trying to tell me what Obama meant. I heard the whole thing. It's clear he was saying that successful people don't deserve their success. He specifically said they don't get it from working hard or being smart or making good choices, which is a complete lie.
---Jed on 7/18/12


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Trish, it is obvious you did not listen to the speach. The whole point of Obama's speach was that successful people don't deserve to be able to keep their wealth because they didn't make it on their own. I created and built my business myself. I had the support of my wife and I share everything I have with her. I do not owe a dime to any teacher simply because they did a job that they were already PAID to do. If I mess up at work, I may lose my home, vehicles, and everything I earned for years. My high school teachers won't. And they didn't work 3 jobs trying to build this business. They didn't drive old junker cars or use cheap phones or go without eating or cancel their cable in order to build my business. I did that.
---Jed on 7/17/12


Jed, not sure what kind of business but lets look at this:

Who built your infrastructure? The building youre in, the roads you use, the power you use, the phone lines you use. Did you learn all this in a vacumn? You have no education? So a teacher gave you the tools to start your business?

Yeah, you did it all on your own.
---NurseRobert on 7/17/12


Here is a line from the speech Jed has twisted out of context.

""The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together," Obama said."

And Obama specifically mentioned the infrastructure of roads and railways that make it possible for the business to ship its goods on.
---Trish on 7/17/12


Jed 7/17/12: "I started and built my business on my own from scratch, and with the support of one person, my wife."

You just admitted it. You had the support of your wife. That was Obama's whole point. No man is an island. Successful people have at least one person, or some aspect of society helping their business grow. I'll bet there might have been some professor or teacher in your educational career that encouraged you, or mentored you. If you work in mental health, you probably had an internship supervisor who encouraged you as you developed your skills. That is the point of his message. If you are licensed as a psychologist, you probably had someone who guided you as you honed your therapy skills.
---Trish on 7/17/12


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Jed: I searched the Internet and could not find a recording of the speech. I did read the words FOX put in quotations, and still say you are misconstruing the context of his words. Nobody achieves great success without someone or something in their lives, like a supportive spouse or parent who encouraged them, or some roadways or railways to ship their products. Of course they need hard work and some innate intelligence or skills.

Like I said, I read what he said in quotation marks.
---Trish on 7/17/12


"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." -President Obama. How freaking insulting! I have never taken a dime from anyone to build my business. Not from family, not from friends, and sure as heck not from the government. I started and built my business on my own from scratch, and with the support of one person, my wife. My wife and I have sacrificed MUCH to be able to have what we have today. It's called hard work, sacrifices, and responsibility - things Obama's liberals obviously doesn't understand. And no I didn't come from a supportive family with money. I came from a dirt poor family of 6 children with no father and I started my adult life homeless.
---Jed on 7/17/12


Trish, that is where you are wrong. Alot of people do become successful on their own without taking help from other people like Obama claims.
---Jed on 7/17/12


Trish, did you even listen to the speach? Obama's exact words were "If you've got a business, you didn't build it. Someone else did that." He went on to say that he is "baffled" by those who think they are successful because they are smart and worked harder. How could that be construed to mean anything other than people do not earn their own success? The point of his message was that people acheive success only through the help and support of others, not through hard work, sacrifices, and good choices, which is a complete lie. This speach was just a continuation of his life-long message that the rich only acheive success by exploiting others. Meaning that the rich don't deserve their money any more than the poor.
---Jed on 7/17/12


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Well, that's an interesting thing to say. You say he said that if we are successful, it is because of what other people have done, "not anything you've done." Well, I would say other people have helped us, but there was what we had to do, ourselves.

Did he actually say, "not anything that you've done"?

In Jesus, "we are members of one another" (see Romans 12:5, Ephesians 4:25). So, we need each other, depend on each other . . . how God has this work. Independence can be an idol. Example can help a lot > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) Real success > "Let all that you do be done with love." (1 Corinthians 16:14) (c:
---willie_c: on 7/17/12


Jed: I read FOX News' article on that, and you are guilty of bearing false witness. You misquoted Obama, and took what he said out of context.

The article was about Obama speaking to the successful business owner earning more than $250,000 a year. He did not say "not anything that you've done." He said that other people and things helped the successful business person along their path to success, such as a special teacher, the American roadways and infastructure, other government funded research, etc.

He is right. People do not become rich and successful all by themselves. Somewhere along the way, there was someone or something that helped them, even if it is to just motivate them to keep going.
---Trish on 7/17/12


Jed, try reading for context.. Its not a difficult concept.

Nobody lives in a vacumn.
---NurseRobert on 7/17/12


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