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over spending is a sin without question but it reavels greed and selfishness and irresponsibility. Jesus himself spoke parables about the unwise use of finances. Remember the parable about the talents in the gospel of Matthew.
---Derrick_Gooden on 7/24/12


The defense budget is bloated and needs to be cut.
---NurseRobert on 7/24/12

But welfare and entitlements just need to keep on growing right? Entitlements are the largest government expense.
---Jed on 7/24/12


Bro. Elder, is your behind sore yet?????
---shira4368 on 7/24/12


kathr, you lie that makes you a liar, Rev 21:8 is yours.
---Elder on 7/24/12

Ya know what's amazing about your post Elder, YOU just became like the very person you insult others by comparison.

What's even more amazing is the FIRST on the list of importance here is: COWARD, FEARFUL.

While you point one finger at me, three are pointing back at you!

Think before you speak next time! PREACHER!
---kathr4453 on 7/24/12


ok Elder, let's see you rebuke MarkV here and now!

If you don't...well then, we know who like to talk, but no action!

Show us where you have ever rebuked MarkV, when he says ALL THE TIME I'm not saved. Yet anyone else who does that is called ELOY?

Liar? No! Make me a liar and show us all where you have rebuked MarkV! EVER!
---kathr4453 on 7/24/12




markv, you have yet to tell me why my schofield bible is bad. It has sustained me for 61 years. It isn't confusing and is the pure truth. If you can't understand it, maybe its because you are spiritual dead. please show me why my bible is bad. I have two schofield bibles but all are king james.
---shira4368 on 7/22/12


Ok MarkV, would you like to answer Shira's question/statement here and now?
---kathr4453 on 7/24/12


Leon if you are thinking that I called you dumb I ask your forgiveness for that. My statement was not to mean that you were/are.
Next, the statement was made, HOW MANY TIMES HAS HE SAID "LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD". If Obama wanted to "level the playing field" why didn't he pass a bill that gave citizens the same health care he has?
Last, kathr, said, "Elder will NEVER rebuke MarkV...they made a pact years ago. Elder asked me to be part of that pact..."
kathr, you lie that makes you a liar, Rev 21:8 is yours.
---Elder on 7/24/12


Kathr, I reject your premise. Show some proof instead of hyperbole..
---NurseRobert on 7/24/12


NurseRoberts, NO PRESIDENT has ever boasted and bragged of his own personal accomplishments more than Obama.

HE DIDN"T DO IT ALONE!!
---kathr4453 on 7/24/12


Shira, now you see what I have been dealing with for three or so years. Yet, everytime I tried peace, I got nowhere. Be careful answering her, or you will be hunted for a long time. I use the Truth this way others can learn from her errors. Elder already knows all about her. He is a good teacher.
---Mark_V. on 7/24/12




Kathr He NEVER said he personally killed bin Laden. Are you having trouble reading for context, or do you like to just selective edit what is said? Fox news would love to have you work for them.

How do you defend 11 carrier groups at a cost of billions of dollars? As a country we spend twice as much on defense as the next 4 countries combined. The defense budget is bloated and needs to be cut.
---NurseRobert on 7/24/12


It takes chutzpah for the man who boasts of having personally killed Osama bin Laden to tell businessmen, "You didnt build that."

Second, the government didn't create the Internet "so that all the companies could make money off the Internet." It developed the Internets predecessor, the Arpanet,as part of what everybody agrees is the legitimate function of national defensethe one area of government Obama is anxious to cut.
Government did not build our roads and bridges, OUR TAXES DID.

OK Obama, people didn't lose their homes, businesses and such ALONE, the Government made that happen!

EVERYTHING "the Governemnt" has stuck their fingers in, the Schools Systems etc, is.....well,... just look!
---kathr4453 on 7/24/12


This country was founded on individuals HARD WORK. People came from many countries to get away from this kind of oppression and start a new country ((( with LESS Government))). We all tend to forget this. He is a socialist,communist. He believes we work as a collective to give back. Everyone should be on ,the same level. HOW MANY TIMES HAS HE SAID "LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD".

Those are scarry words folks.

And the taxes that businesses pay ALSO have paid for the roads they travel on.

People never learn from history do they?
---kathr4453 on 7/24/12


And going back to Joseph and Pharoah..that was a temporary fix for a temporary problem. BUT look what the eventual outcome was. Israel in bondage as SLAVES to Egypt.

The same concept here beginning with Roosevelt...Now the Government has gotten so big, the poeple are in bondage as slaves to the Government.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/12


ok kathr, stop kicking me for a while and kick someone else. my behind is sore already. if elder said all those things to you, he was joking like he always does. oh no, I have not kicked a fellow soldier...just look at you. I am a soldier in the army of God.
---shira4368 on 7/23/12


Jed, are you afraid to answer the question?? What business did you build?

You seem to be the one hearing the animosity, yada yada. I heard a president that is trying to get this country to work together and I see your postings as typical right wing retoric slamming Obama every chance you get.

What makes you so angry?
---NurseRobert on 7/23/12


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Leon, you seem to not understand the fact that those are all things that business owners PAY for. If you're paying for a good or service from someone, then that person is not "helping you out" or giving you anything. Employees are not helping you out or giving you anything when you are paying them. You don't owe them anything other than a paycheck. They did not make the sacrifices you did to build a business. Business owners also pay good money for the research of industry leaders. Customers are not giving business anything when they pay for services or goods. It is an even trade of money for services or good. Business owners don't continue to owe these people for their success, unless of course they never paid these people.
---Jed on 7/23/12


As if reading those words isn't bad enough. Try actually listening to the audio or watching the video of this speech. Do you hear a tone of support, recognition, and community? Or do you hear the same divisiveness, hostitility, and animosity toward responsible people that presides over all of Obama's speeches?
---Jed on 7/23/12


"Leon, I'm not arguing with what you said. I... believe for the most part [that's] what Obama was saying...But this statement is very wrong...Successful people have what they have because of [their] hard work & sacrifices. They...have a right to take full credit for what they have. They don't owe other Americans for their success." [?]
---Jed on 7/23/12


Jed: Anyone in business is very much dependent upon others to buy their goods & services. Without others buying, there is no business success. Also, good employees can make a company great & prosperous in the community. Bad employees can put you out of business! What about business lenders, investors, etc. Take full credit? No!
---Leon on 7/23/12


Jed, you never answered the question. What kind of business did you build?
---NurseRobert on 7/23/12


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"If you've been successful, you didnt get there on your own. You didnt get there on your own. Im always struck by people who think, 'well, it must be because I was just so smart'. There are a lot of smart people out there. 'It must be because I worked harder than everybody else'. Let me tell you something there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If youve got a business you didnt build that. Somebody else made that happen."
---Jed on 7/23/12


What I heard the President "trying" to say was American business owners owe other Americans a debt of gratitude for whatever measure of success they've achieved in our free enterprise system. That's all he was saying! :)
---Leon on 7/22/12

Leon, I'm not arguing with what you said. I do believe for the most part this is what Obama was saying. We are pretty much heard the same thing. But this statement is very wrong and sick. Successful people have what they have because of hard work and sacrifices THEY have made. They DO have a right to take full credit for what they have. They don't owe other Americans for their success.
---Jed on 7/23/12


Don't hear what I say, hear what I mean.
Kinda like:
Do as I say not as I do...
---micha9344 on 7/23/12


"President Obama recently said, 'If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.'

[His comments] are a slap in the face to the American Dream & reveals [his] naive view that government, not the hard work, talent & initiative of people, is the center of society & the economy..."
---Jed on 7/20/12


My comments aren't for Jed because I don't believe any one can persuade him from his beliefs. But, for the hopeful benefit of other bloggers, what I heard the President "trying" to say was American business owners owe other Americans a debt of gratitude for whatever measure of success they've achieved in our free enterprise system. That's all he was saying! :)
---Leon on 7/22/12


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Shira, you stand and boast of how you will fight to the death for what you believe.

So ONLY Shira is permitted to have strong feelings for what she believes in and will fight to the end, and we are all suppose to be in awe of that..right?? BUT you walk around and kick your fellow soldiers in the back all at the same time? What is that?

And then you worship another fellow soldier who runs away like a coward who isn't defending you or God's word who you say is your friend and has the same beliefs. What is that?

Because the fact is Shira, Elder will NEVER rebuke MarkV...they made a pact years ago. Elder asked me to be part of that pact...of only attacking others who believe they can lose their salvation. I declined!
---kathr4453 on 7/23/12


Elder e-pal'd me years ago and told me to leave the Calvinists alone, and just join in with him and others to attack those who believed they could lose their salvation. Then JohnT, the head of the CAlvinists here e-pal'd me and threatened me to stop talking about Calvinism, and if I didn't, he and all his GANG would not stop in attacking me.

JohnT was thrown off with many of his attackers.

Calvinists HATE Scofield, and I had that conversation with Lisa/AKA MarkV years ago re: Scofield. It's almost word for word. The only other explination is: They have been brainwashed to hate Scofield.
---kathr4453 on 7/23/12


ok kathr, I am glad you set me straight on who a christian really is. I tell what I am and it leaves no room for things I don't believe. yes, my kjv schofield is precious and yes, elder does teach from that. oh, we go back to 04 also. that doesn't mean anything to me, you or him. If you even knew me a little tiny bit, I have never been arrogant but I do stand up for what I believe to be truth. I will fight to the death if necessary...and at my age that could be anyday. again, I don't brag about baptist but when someone ask me what I believe that is what I tell them. on the other hand there are many baptist that are crowd pleasers but mine isn't one of those. I love my God, His Son and my bible and I love you too.
---shira4368 on 7/22/12


Kathr: I've forgiven Elder & moved on...not "overspending" my time on the matter. :) I've been known to be a little (just a tad bit) abrasive with others on occasion & sincerely hope they've forgiven me. The truth of the matter is we all have SIN issues. Thx for your concern. :)
---Leon on 7/22/12


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Actually Shira, I don't see Elder teaching anything here lately.

Elder and I go back to 2004 at least here on line.

Some friend who never defended Your KJV/Scofield assaults by MarkV...it appears Elders Master in Revelation is not the same as your's or Scofield correct? You just like throwing names around having no understanding whatsoever?

You see, Elder never gets involved when MarkV blasphemes does he? They are one extreme to the other.

He still called Leon DUMB. But I guess that's ok with you? A respecter of persons?

---kathr4453 on 7/22/12


Shira, if I have flipped flopped, then you must say where I flipped , and not just make a loose accusation with nothing to back up your accusation.

I really don't understand your flip flopping here but chose to stay away from your flip flopping.

You think you're better than others here because you use a KJV and are a Baptist, and have offended many here on line with your pride and arrogance. "OH I'm not just any Baptist...not like those other Baptist who do this or that." quote un quote Shira.

Talk about PRIDE and Arrogance! You wear it more than anyone else here.

There will be NO Baptist in Heaven Shira, ONLY CHRISTIANS!
---kathr4453 on 7/22/12


kathr, its a shame you can't see beyond your nose. everyone does not have the same belief system you have. sometimes its hard to even know what you are about because you flip flop all over the place. Bro. Elder...that is his given name by his mother and he would never be a bishop but he is a preacher with a great sense of humor. sometimes he says things just for a laugh but I don't ever see your sense of humor and I doubt if you have one. you could learn a lot from Elder if you weren't so high on yourself.
---shira4368 on 7/22/12


Jed: You are only one of a few people who heard what you wanted to hear when it comes to the statement Obama made about successful business people. You just find fault with everything Obama says or does. Negativity is ugly.
---Trish on 7/21/12


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Jed, yes I heard that too. BUT the problem is we live with ZOMBI People, that is, people today who believe anything they hear and believe it. So, I suppose he too is hoping to prey on the ZOMBIE'S for votes.

He's preying on those who are completely supported by Government, also letting them know they are worthless without Government support. Sorry folks we are not in the Great depression today!

Just another communist mentality that didn't work.

This is suppose to be an educated man? What an insult.

The Government had nothing to do with Thomas Edison, and the such.
---kathr4453 on 7/21/12


President Obama recently said, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Comments like that are a slap in the face to the American Dream and reveal the President's nave view that government, and not the hard work, talent, and initiative of people, is the center of society and the economy. Clearly, this President doesn't understand how our economy works.
---Jed on 7/20/12


Ya know Elder, you said DUMB and that all there is to it.

I don't have to read your lousy excuses as to why. I really don't even have to read the blog thread at all to get what the conversation was about to begin with. I see what I want to, and JUMP. I learned that from you.

HOWEVER even Leon was offended by your comment and he was involved in teh conversation. If Loen is offended, so am I.

Is that why you call yourself "Elder" and not Bishop? Bishops are to not lord it over anyone but BE EXAMPLES.

I see you as a bad example!

So correct yourself FIRST before correcting others!
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


Do as I say, not as I do?
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12

Did you expect anything less, Kathr?
---NurseRobert on 7/20/12


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kathr4453, I can see that you are attracted to the word "dumb" and can't see the word "if." You see when you understand a statement the "if" makes the difference.
And, if I did make a concrete statement that some one was dumb and if it was a "do as I say and not as I do" I would fit right in with you.
By the way why should I and others not have SS now? We were forced to pay for it. It was/is insurence. Also check what FDR promised about it before you determine you are so correct.
I wouldn't have to "pinch" if I was allow the money to invest like I said. What is that to you? You haven't contributed anything to my welfare.
---Elder on 7/20/12


Here is the statement I made to Leon, "Leon if you are dumb enough to believe that Social Security makes my life better I'll sell you a bridge."
Did anyone see Leon asking the price of the bridge? No you didn't because Leon is not dumb. Now maybe one of the other posters here is. I can't really tell from this angle.
---Elder on 7/20/12


kathr, If you only knew some of the things elder and his sweet wife have gone thru just to get their ministry off the ground. I know God is behind all this otherwise the devil wouldn't do everything he can to make it hard on them. they are dedicated to their calling. social security wasn't meant for a total retirement, it was ment to suppliment what people saved for retirement. I appreciate what Bro Elder and his wife have done. the devil isn't going to stop them...they are faithful.
---shira4368 on 7/20/12


Leon if you are dumb enough ------Elder on 7/20/12


My My, weren't we all given a lecture once by you Elder on calling people dumb, stupid and the such.

Tisk, Tisk Tisk.

Do as I say, not as I do?
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


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"Leon if you are dumb enough to believe...SS makes my life better I'll sell you a bridge. If [could have monthly] kept the SS tax money to invest in just land I wouldn't have to pinch now..."
---Elder on 7/20/12


Gee E' ~ such venom! I just asked you a question. :) Again, same "dumb" question. I assume you're getting it, so, what would your life be like without SS?

I agree, folk like you, with a thrifty ant mentality & demonstrated financial frugality in their daily lives, should be given the opportunity to opt out of SS & manage their own retirement planning. BUT, for millions of grasshoppers, SS is the only "social solution".
---Leon on 7/20/12


--- Yea, key word "trust."
---Elder on 7/20/12
Well, the answer to that is, What happened to people during the Great depression? Didn't the Government provide SOUP LINES. Thank Goodness they did. They didn't have to ya know, just let them die in the streets like we see other countries did. Frozen in the snow.

So what if Roosevelt, at the TIME GOD placed him in office had a heart.

And since you are pinching pennies now Elder, would you even have a penny to pinch without your SS.

Yea, it's horrible that a good idea became corrupted by our Government AFTER Roosevelt. It was NEVER to be touched. Had that happened, who knows. Certainly no fears of running out!
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


Here is an interesting FACT. Joseph was placed in a position of power in the Egyption Government. Joseph was not a Capitalist. A famin was on the way...WHAT to do. ( Atleast they were forewarned what was coming).

So Joseph, a Government employee took 10% of all the Grain and put it in the Government coffer. THEN it came time for those who gave, still had to pay the Egyption Governement for that grain.

Was this God's PLAN to save many, both Jew and Gentile from starving. Go read about it.

I'm sure it's possible Roosevelt got his idea from the Bible.

Who knows!
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


Leon if you are dumb enough to believe that Social Security makes my life better I'l sell you a bridge.
If each month I could have kept the SS tax money to invest in just land I wouldn't have to pinch now.
What do you think people did before FDR began robbing them with a SS trust fund? Yea, key word "trust."
---Elder on 7/20/12


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Whats really bazaar about some of these conversations is pointing out Obama is not a Christian. Oh but Romney is? Is America going to be one nation under KOLOB? Has Romney taken an oath in his Mormon faith to avenge the Death of Joseph Smith on the Government, first and foremost ABOVE any oath he will take as President, and no one questions that. Are we so blinded by our hate of Obama, that anyone looks good.
Its interesting how hypocritical and wishy washy Christians are. Back when Romney was running for the nomination before now, the Christian Community did not support himfor the exact reasons I stated above.
So now the definition of Christian is, those who are glued to Fox News all day, and ULTRA Conservatives.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/12


If we had been allowed to put the same amount of money in the bank that we pay in to social security, I would be wealthy now. ---shira4368 on 7/18/12

Completely true. Interesting how people pay more into Social Security then they get out of it, and some people never get a dime back from it, yet Social Security funds are completely empty. "How could this be?", one may ask. Well, it's because most people receiving social security today have never worked or paid into the system. While many have and will pay into it most of their life and never receive a dime in return. This is why social security is nothing more than extended long term welfare.
---Jed on 7/18/12


"...His statement confuses our foundation with who is living in America. One nation under God. And we all know [it] isn't Allah or Buddah..."
---micha9344 on 7/18/12


Micha: The "who" are Americans (native born & naturalized) from all walks of life, ethnic groups & religious persuasions. This nation indeed was founded upon Judaeo-Christian underpinnings & our time tested U.S. Constitution guarantees "freedom of religion" to ALL Americans. That means not any one group can force feed their beliefs down others throats.

"The harvest is ripe, but the laborers are few." (Lk. 10:2) From sea to shining sea, America is a mission field. Don't despise, EVANGELIZE! :)
---Leon on 7/19/12


If we had been allowed to put the same amount of money in the bank that we pay in to social security, I would be wealthy now. It is a shame that we have to wait til we are almost dead to enjoy it.
---shira4368 on 7/18/12


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Social Security is the cruelest hoax the socialists have ever invented.
---Jed on 7/18/12


Elder: The reason Social Security is on the ropes is because the Capitol Hill dopes have been looting it like pirates of the Carribean. By the way, what would your life be like if you didn't have SS?
---Leon on 7/18/12


"Markie: Just what is "Social Security" if it isn't a type of socialism? Did President Obama bring it into being? :) Your "speculative" hyperventilation & fear-mongering false accusations isn't Christ-like."
Leon
Leon Social Security is an insurence that Americans were/are forced to pay in to. It was started by another socialist president F. D. Roosevelt. It is now failing also. Your statements on this fact are misleading at best.
---Elder on 7/18/12


Micha: Before and after the 2008 election, I saw Obama interviewed, and asked specifically about his faith. His reply was that he believes in the Lord Jesus Christ for his salvation.

He is not the first Democrat that has claimed Christ. Jimmy Carter is a Christian and a Democrat.

Come to think of it, I never heard Bush II mane the name of Christ.
---Trish on 7/18/12


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Leon:

Whatever we once were, were no longer a Christian nation."

Obama said during a June 2007 speech..."
---Jed on 7/18/12


Jed: Why are you so hellbent on twisting the truth? President Obama said the USA is, "not just," a Christian nation. Is that true?! Are ALL Americans Christians?

While in Turkey, President Obama told reporters America isn't defined by any one religion. He said, "...one of the great strengths of the U.S. is...although we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian...Jewish or Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals & a set of values..."
---Leon on 7/18/12


Leon,
You seem to be a smart person.
Obama has said this and variants thereof many times.
"...we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values..."
--press conference in Turkey, May'09
-not too mention pg 261 of his book "Audacity of Hope" and other public speeches that can be found easily on the internet.
His statement confuses our foundation with who is living in America.
One nation under God.
And we all know is isn't Allah or Buddah...
---micha9344 on 7/18/12


For Leon:

Whatever we once were, were no longer a Christian nation."

Obama said during a June 2007 speech, the entire speech is available on YouTube.
---Jed on 7/18/12


"...Do you want to become socialist?...If [so], go for Obama...That's what he has...introduced to our government. [?] If you don't care about...Israel, go for Obama. If you love the Palestians [?] & want them to take over Israel, vote for Obama. If you want [hard working] people, who pay for their own health insurance to pay for your healthcare so that you can get it free, vote for Obama. Don't make up stories about taxes or religion..., You...have a choice. [?]"
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12


Markie: Just what is "Social Security" if it isn't a type of socialism? Did President Obama bring it into being? :) Your "speculative" hyperventilation & fear-mongering false accusations isn't Christ-like.
---Leon on 7/18/12


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"did Obama get us into two needless wars?"
Mary
Needless wars? It was Clinton who started the bombing trying to "kill" Osama Bin Laden.
Clinton got real concerned to do something after his new girlfriend was found working under his desk. He began the bombings to take the heat off of his scandel.
Bin Laden declared war on the USA and and attacked us. He killed hundreds of innocents in NY. Have you forgot?
Bush's plans and agenda, which Obama still follows, has kept us safe.
On Obama's watch the Muslim Major murdered and wounded his students on an Army post. What do you say about that?
It appears to me the socialist liberal mind says I can do what ever I want as long as I can blame someone else.
---Elder on 7/18/12


"Do you think living beyond your means is immoral?"
---Jed on 7/17/12


Immoral in the sense of being carnal (materialistic), yes! It will also lead you to ultimate financial ruin.

"I have never seen nor heard Obama claim Christ. He seems more unitarian than Christian. He said we are no longer a 'Christian nation'..."
---micha9344 on 7/17/12


Micha: When did President Obama say what you claim? (credible source please)
---Leon on 7/18/12


The only reason Obama has any support at all is because democrats actually think that Obama is a democrat. Obama is not a democrat. Obama is a socialist communist. Democrats let the liberal news media tell them who Obama is and what his intensions are instead of actually listening to Obama and taking his own word for it. They do the same thing with conservative figures. The only reason democrats think conservatives are racist bigots is because they have been told that by another liberal rather than actually talking to a conservative. Most democrats them have never actually sat down and listened to a conservative talk show a day in their life to find out what we really believe. Yet they are certain conservatives are all racist bigots.
---Jed on 7/18/12


"Obama is THE worst...President ever. There were other bad ones, but, he tops 'em all. GOD's Judgment on America, he is."
---Gordon on 7/17/12


Gord: Why do you believe Obama is "worst" than ALL of his white predecessors?

Why do you think Obama is God's judgment upon America? Can not that also be said of other U.S. presidents who have led us in tough socio-economic times, the likes of which we're currently experiencing?

"...Hitler knew how to destroy freedom of the people & murder those who disagreed with him."
---Elder on 7/17/12


Elder: Are you comparing President Obama to the genocidal "dictator" & megalomaniac, Hitler? If so, why?
---Leon on 7/18/12


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Of course Obama is straight forward. Who is confused about what his real plans for America are?
---Jim on 7/18/12


What is wrong with so many people? Do you want to become socialist? That is the real question. If you do, go for Obama. We have began already in that direction. That is what he has already introduced to our goverment. If you don't care about the nation of Israel, go for Obama. If you love the Palestians and want them to take over Israel, vote for Obama. If you want people that work hard, who pay for their own health insurance to pay for your healthcare so that you can get it free, vote for Obama. Don't make up stories about taxes or even religion this time, You do have a choice.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/12


I believe God expects us to be good stewards of what He gives us. I have tried to do that but I enjoy giving to certain ministries that I believe in. I try to also enjoy what I have so my children dont fight over it....just kidding about that part.
---shira4368 on 7/18/12


Obama has always been straight forward with everything.
---Jim on 7/17/12

NO, Obamacare. 3 months after it past the congress and signed into law the CBO revised its numbers and found huge deficiets which are still growing. Also some attacks on Romney are untrue. Says he will reduce deficients but has actually increased deficients every year we are now at 40 cents on the dollar. Blames everything on someone else, earthquake, republicans, europe, etc. He says he does not want lobbiest in his campaign but continues to use them. Not saying republicans are better. Fast and Furious.
---Scott1 on 7/18/12


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Trish, what's worse than outsourcing jobs in YOUR OWN company with YOUR OWN money? Doing it with TAXPAYER'S money, which is exactly what Obama has done. Obama has NO place to condemn anyone for outsourcing jobs when He himself has given OUR money to companies like GE who employs over half of their company overseas. At least Romney did it with his own money, not ours.
---Jed on 7/18/12


Trish, my mother had a certificate of live birth issued also. She had one witness that said she was born in a certain place at a certain time. That is all it took.
Obama refused to reveal his, his school records, finances, law school records and a host of other things. So do you call what he did honesty? Plus, if he doesn't have to reveal those things why should anyone else?
Everyone is worried about Romney's money when they should look at the waste in our government and how many different ways some promote killing babies. Now we side up to terrorist and the enemies of the state.
Hitler knew how to destroy freedom of the people and to murder those who disagreed with him.
---Elder on 7/17/12


I have never seen nor heard Obama claim Christ.
He seems more unitarian than Christian.
He said we are no longer a "Christian nation" and He seems alright with it.
Openess does not equate to honesty.
He is just another charismatic politician swaying the people with his words and not following through on them.
He, just like others, proclaimed no more taxes, yet the Supreme Court ruled Obamacare a tax and therefore constitutional.
---micha9344 on 7/17/12


Gordon, did Obama get us into two needless wars? No? Then I think his predecessor takes the cake for worst president, myself!
---Mary on 7/17/12


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Gordon those are signs of an honest person. Obama is not hiding anything.
---Jim on 7/17/12


Jim, Are you a Christian? Yeah, Obama has been "straightforward about everything". Agreed that he certainly has it made known to us where he stands on slaughtering unborn babies while in their mother's wombs, and on who's money he intends on having it all paid for with (tax payer's). I'm not a Romney advocate, either. Obama is THE worst American President ever. There were other bad ones, but, he tops 'em all. GOD's Judgment on America, he is.
---Gordon on 7/17/12


I agree Trish Romney is very dishonest especially compared to our very honorable, God loving, Christian President. Obama has always been straight forward with everything.
---Jim on 7/17/12


Jed: I mentioned Romney's father because he did the right thing in disclosing 12 years worth of tax returns when he ran for office.

It's come out recently that Romney is trying to say he was not running Bain when it started outsourcing jobs overseas. He repeatedly says he'll create jobs, but his job experience at Bain says he was the CEO, and sole stock holder at Bain when it outsourced jobs. He's a liar.

I was not putting Romney's father down. He did the honorable thing. Too bad he raised such a dishonest son.
---Trish on 7/17/12


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Trish, I'm just saying you are calling Romney "immoral" for not making his tax filings public when Obama for the longest time refused to make his citizenship public! So give me a break. And Romney's tax returns are not anyone's business but his. It's not our business how much money you make, unless you're paid by tax-payers. The liberals only want Romney's tax records so they can further demonize and bash him for being rich. Everyone already knows he's rich, he never claimed to be not rich. It's not a sin to be rich. And do you really want to bring up Romney's father? Let's bring up Obama's radical socialist communist father who said government should tax 100% of people's income in return for all their needs.
---Jed on 7/17/12


Overspending is absolutely a sin. It is being an unfaithful steward of funds God will require of us as to what we did with them. If we waist money on overspending on stuff, we are living for the temporal and not the things eternal.
---weatherbill on 7/17/12


Jed: You are the one that has been consistent in Obama bashing. I frankly don't want to waste my time arguing with you. As for the Birther remark, that was addressed by the state of Hawaii long ago.
---Trish on 7/17/12


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