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Will Jesus Save Israel

It was said by one person here that Jesus Christ will one day save Israel. What does Scripture say?

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It is the habit of many here on line to diminish Christ any way they can. The Catholic Church by removing Christ as the Head of the Church, SDA's by promoting the letter of the Law, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses by claiming He is a created being equal to satan, claiming He is not Divine, God, and others by claiming they have free will to either except Him as Lord or reject Him if they want. They claim He cannot interfere with their rights, making salvation their own self-righteous works. If He was standing next to some here, they might push Him onto a coming bus. He gets no respect.
---Mark_V. on 9/26/12


Master Steven, don't you realize that you threw Jesus Christ under the bus? That is what you did, when you said Israel doesn't need Jesus to be saved,

"Jesus said to him, I AM the way, the Truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also,.." (John 4:6,7).

Jesus says, you are wrong, no one goes to the Father by through Him. You say no. Forget Jesus. People can go streight to the Father without Christ, which is shear nonsense. Not biblical. Do an online search for Jesus Christ. Second, you did not mention which Israel you are talking about. Those who died in their sin rejecting Christ, or are they included in that salvation?
---Mark_V. on 9/26/12


I'll make it easy on you people:

Jesus will not save Israel..,

but God the Father will. God the Father will set up his worldly kingdom on Earth and Jesus will sit on the Throne of David and reign on the Earth from the land God gave to his people.
---Steveng on 9/25/12


I can't be sure but if I can collect my thoughts, Israel has never been defeated in a war...they aren't in many wars either. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?
---shira4368 on 9/25/12


Trav, you took that passage in (Is. 43:1) and took it to mean that at that moment Israel was redeemed forever. That would mean that all those who rebelled against God for centuries to come who reject His laws, who rejected Him, were saved or would be saved even though they rejected the coming Christ? Not true at all. There is only one way to heaven, and it is through Christ Jesus. God's redemption of His people from exile is not to be complete until His Servant returns to reign over the faithful remnant in the land of Israel who have believed in Jesus Christ (Zech. 12:10-13:1: Rom. 11:25-27: Rev. 11:13) The limited return from Babylon only typified the final return.
---Mark_V. on 9/24/12




Rom11:26 ... true Spiritual Israel made up of Jew and Gentiles shall be saved eternally by the finished work of Jesus Christ!!!---trey on 9/10/12

Ro 11:25 speaks of being imprudent, or wise in your own conceits [KJV].

By declaring there is such a thing as a "spiritual Israel", when the Bible makes no such assertion, is the hallmark of such imprudence.

If God has not spoken it, it isn't true.

There is no such thing as a "spiritual Israel" in Scriptures.

There is no mention of eternal anything in the Manuscripts.

Incorruption, deathlessness, age-lasting, ages, immortality, yes.

Eternal, everlasting, forever? not in the Writings.
---Phil on 9/23/12


Trav, it matters not if you are from Judah or the Northern tribe of the ten, or from China, Russia,.....--Mark_V. on 9/13/12

By your choice..... in your continued practice to discard/disregard scripture. GOD posted in a black book it did matter to him.
Isa: 43:1 But now thus saith the Lord that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name, thou art mine.
Matthew 15:24
He answered, I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.
And....scriptures, witnesses, by the hundreds more.
---Trav on 9/23/12


Trav, it matters not if you are from Judah or the Northern tribe of the ten, or from China, Russia, or any other country, what matters is the heart. If they are not circumcised of the heart, born of the Spirit, they are not going to heaven. And millions that died were not and millions will not in the future be circumcised of the heart.
There is only one way into Heaven, you must be born again.
---Mark_V. on 9/13/12


Hi MarkV, As you know:
Rom11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Paul here is explaining that all the elect family of God, all true Spiritual Israel made up of Jew and Gentiles shall be saved eternally by the finished work of Jesus Christ!!!

Lord bless you MarkV. Keep fighting the good fight!!!
---trey on 9/10/12


Romans 11: 1 I say then, hath God cast away his people ? God forbid I also am a Israelite, of the seed of Ambraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. ---------------------------------
11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a REMNANT according to the election of grace. --------------------------------
11:7 What then ? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for: but the election hath obtained it, and the rest blind.
11:8 - { According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear,} unto this day,
---RichardC on 9/9/12




Trav, Jesus taught two Israels. A certain group of Jewish people said to Him,
"Abraham is our father" Jesus responded,
"If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham"
---Mark_V. on 8/5/12

Indeed there are two sides to Israel confirmed in Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31. Judah and the Northern House of Ten.

There are also imposters. By sign likened to "Esau"...the Twin. Jacob had birthright competitor.
Esau was and still is. Just as Jacob was and still is. Whether a mod-doc likes it or not.
---Trav on 8/11/12


Nana on 8/5/12

Thank you for your kind and gracious words.

I am unable to see where I have exalted myself, or man. I will allow for it.

The Lord's commands to Israel in Matthew's account are for His people, when He is enthroned. These laws will not pass till heaven and earth pass. Israel is bound by them.

What He commanded cannot be preformed in flesh. It will be done by the power of Holy Spirit in regenerated hearts and minds.

We are not under law, but grace through faith- obedience. We are not His disciples, we are His Body

He is our Lord and Saviour, and God to us.

Jn 3:27 man is not able to receive anything, if it may not have been given him from the heaven,
---Phil on 8/6/12


Phil 2: continue,
"Therefore, if an uncircumcised man (a Gentile) keeps the righteous requirments of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision?.. For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh, but he is a Jew who is one inwardly", and circumcision is that of the heart, in "the Spirit" not in the letter, who's praise is not from men but from God" (Rom. 2:17,25-26,28-29). There is two kinds of Jews. The word "if" is alway included in the promises. There is an Israel of God (Gal. 6:16), and an Israel of the flesh (1 Cor. 10:18).
---Mark_V. on 8/6/12


Phil, thank for the encouragement, it's for the glory of God.
Phil, you said,

"Which of those has God NOT kept?"

God keeps His promises but His Covenants to Israel had conditions. Do, and I will give you blessings, disobey and you get curses. "if" you keep My commandments He would do so and so. Thousands died in sin not keeping His commandments. No hope after death. Just as there is two kinds of Israel's there is also two kinds of Jews. Paul wrote,
"Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God..for circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law, but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
---Mark_V. on 8/6/12


Phil,
The Gospel is not built upon man's failures but of God's will. You looking at a failed man to exalt yourself is not good.
If Jesus said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.", Matt 5:48, which shall we
obey? God's will through his word or Phil's guidelines through his analysis of humanity's shortcommings?

Matthew 21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

"Do you see my point?"
Phil
You have no point.
---Nana on 8/5/12


Ro11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
So the answer is yes!

Ro9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Spiritual Israel is made up of Jews and Gentiles.

By the way, I happen to be a big fan of Mark V! Sometimes he's the only one standing for the truth and he is faithful to the cause of Christ!!!
---t4881r on 8/5/12


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---Nana on 8/3/12

How many covenants has God entered into with man?

Have you looked?

Which of those has man kept?

Which of those has God NOT kept?

Do you see my point? Though Israel failed, even when the Lord came unto His own, He will not fail to fulfill all that He promised. It does not depend upon men to keep convenant with God. They will always fail.

He will not fail to keep all that He promised to anyone.
---Phil on 8/5/12


Mark_v, I consider you a key player on this team to unveil the Christ of God to His elect. Continue with all your might to defend truth that you know.

As stated by another, your input creates an environment wherein scriptural study is the only way to meet your criticisms.

You do much to solidify the faith in others. You provide a foil for God to be discovered. You are valuable.

Phil
---Phil on 8/5/12


Trav 2: Jesus when talking to the Jews who claim to be from Israel, said, they weren't really Abraham's children at all because they lacked truth faith and were following lies. Their lineage actually went back to satan, the first liar. Jesus taught faith lineage in (John 1) A spiritually minded Jew named Nathanael was wondering whether Jesus of Nazareth was really his Messiah. Retiring to a favorite spot under a fig tree, he prayed about the matter. Soon a friend introduced him to the Savior. When Jesus saw Nathanael, He declared "Behold, and Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit" (John 1:47). When Jesus discerned Nathanael's spiritual lineage to Abraham and Jacob, He called him "an Israelite indeed"
---Mark_V. on 8/5/12


Linda, the truth always irratates others, you said,
"I know MarkV tends to irritate everyone......
Maybe we should all stop debating with him and just pray for him.
---LindaH on 8/1/12"

You can stop anytime you want. No one is stopping you. Please don't pray for me to understand your theology, for it is wrong. you did not start with God. You started with man. So when you hear me speak it gets you mad. I met many at work just like you, they hear the Truth and they get angry and begin to talk about you. The Truth convicts the hearts of the lost. It edifies the hearts of the genuine believers. Jesus said,
"If God was your Father you would love Me" the same holds true for every believer.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/12


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Trav, Jesus taught two Israels. A certain group of Jewish people said to Him,
"Abraham is our father" Jesus responded,
"If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham" (John 8:39). They claimed to be Abraham's children, but they lacked true faith. By saying, "If you were Abraham's children" Jesus denied their claim. Christ continued,
"But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I hear from God. Abraham did not do this. You do the deeds of your father" (John 8:40,41).
Jesus was talking to some Jewish people who claimed to be Israelites, the children of Abraham, yet they were only following God outwardly, not in the heart.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/12


I know MarkV tends to irritate everyone......
Maybe we should all stop debating with him and just pray for him.
---LindaH on 8/1/12

It has been an observation that a couple on the site entice fights or arguments, they never scripturally win. Interesting is they come back for more. Perhaps to learn? Sometimes both parties benefit, by the scriptural research. With some fight pickers, they provide opportunity for multiple scripture witness'es, unknowingly providing opportunitys for scripture to come alive.

Romans 2:19
And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,

He is confident...,and in an ironic way can be, without knowing/telling/understanding it.
---Trav on 8/4/12


Phil, You answer with passages concerning the past, they ruled other nations, and many times other nations ruled them when they disobeyed. All that happen already. You have not moved forward to the future. You said in the future, future means something that has not happen yet. Where are we told that after the Second Coming, Israel is going to rule the Gentiles? Do you not know that both Peter and Paul both taught that believing Jews and non-Jews, together, are "the people of God, the elect of God and the "Israel of God?" ( 1 Peter 2:9,10). How can they rule the Gentiles when they are both one? "The "two" are "one" and are of the same body" (Eph. 2:14-16: 3:6).
---Mark_V. on 8/4/12


Deut 26:18_19?

Oh, but of course, yet, what say Deut 26:16_17? Deut 26:17 ends in a colon, therefore Deut 26:18_19 are a follow up.

Deuteronomy 26:16_17:"This day the LORD thy God hath commanded thee to do these statutes and judgments: thou shalt therefore keep and do them with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. Thou hast avouched the LORD this day to be thy God, and to walk in his ways, and to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and to hearken unto his voice:"

Matthew 21:43
Galatians 6:15
Romans 10:12
---Nana on 8/3/12


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//Believers must separate themselves from the Kingdom People, and learn to rightly divide the word of truth. It is required of sons of God.
---Phil on 8/2/12//
Amen so true, so simple
---michael_e on 8/3/12


There is no two Churches, one superior to the other, but One Body in Christ. And He is Superior.
---Mark_V. on 8/3/12

Again, you are correct.

1C 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Eph 1:3 who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Eph 2:6 and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Where are we going, Mark, after we have been resurrected to life?

1Th...in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
---Phil on 8/3/12


I cannot find one passage that states that in the coming future Jews will be superior to Gentiles, ---Mark_V. on 8/3/12

Dt 26:18-19 And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, And to make thee high above all nations.

Isa 49:22 I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and they shall bring thy sons in [their] arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon [their] shoulders.

And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with [their] face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet, and thou shalt know that I [am] the LORD:

When shall He have His will be done?

What say ye?
---Phil on 8/3/12


My theology was from scripture. Not a quote that I copied and pasted from someone else online. The last line was yours however.

When are you gonna think for yourself and stop using the words of others?

I know I dont wanna base my eternal existance on someone ELSES faith! Do you?
---Blogger9680 on 8/2/12


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Phil, nowhere does it say,

"Resurrection in Paul's Gospel leads to the heavens, not earth, where the Jew will always be superior over the gentile, or our God has lied to them."

I cannot find one passage that states that in the coming future Jews will be superior to Gentiles, and He did not lie, you made it up.
Look Phil, every believer make up Christ Church. And He is the Head of that Church, the body of Christ. There is no two Churches, one superior to the other, but One Body in Christ. And He is Superior.
---Mark_V. on 8/3/12


Fleur on 8/2/12

God's plan for the ages is known. Men are to be conciliated to God, their sins no longer separating them from Him. 2C 5:19-20

Israel's saints will be resurrected to fulfill the covenant on earth, in flesh.

We are not Israel. We were grafted in because of their stubbornness. All covenant promises according to flesh belong to them alone, for salvation on earth is of the Jew.

Resurrection in Paul's Gospel leads to the heavens, not earth, where the Jew will always be superior over the gentile, or our God has lied to them.

Believers must separate themselves from the Kingdom People, and learn to rightly divide the word of truth. It is required of sons of God.
---Phil on 8/2/12


Rather than worry about whether Jesus will save Israel, I am concened whether my faith in Jesus is sufficient to save me

As Jesus did not and does not reveal the whole future, let us be content in following His instructions - to love one another, to administer grace and mercy, to love sinners yet hate sin, including our own and obey His Commanments
---Fleur on 8/2/12


Blogger96, Clearly there is a distinction between God's desire and His eternal saving purpose, which must transcent His desires. God does not want men to sin, for He hates sin with all His being (Ps. 5:4: 45:7). thus He hates the consequences which is eternal wickedness in hell. Yet God for His own glory in wrath, chose to endure "vessels" prepared for distruction for supreme fulfillment of His will (Rom. 9:22). In His own eternal purpose He chose only the elect out of the world (John 17:6) and past over the rest, leaving them to their own consequences of their sin, unbelief, and rejection of Christ (Rom. 1:18-32).
But your theology begins with man, and not with God.
---Mark_V. on 8/2/12


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"But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?"
"Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
Hearing, learning, knowing, being known, coming, but that being "known of God" is what I thought after pondering 'longsuffering'.
---Nana on 8/2/12


Mark, God desires all men to know the truth and be saved (1 Tim 2:4) and he is longsuffering towards us .

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord... is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance

If man plays no part in his own salvation, and God MAKES men repentant and MAKES them believe in Jesus, what reason does he have to be longsuffering with us? What is He patiently enduring? His own plan?

Do you see where I'm coming from? For goodness sake, Mark, open your eyes!
---Blogger9680 on 8/1/12


I know MarkV tends to irritate everyone with his lunacy, but he is sick and he is our brother in Christ. He needs our prayer whether he believes it or not. Maybe we should all stop debating with him and just pray for him.
---LindaH on 8/1/12


Trav, you are right, there is many wolves on site, I know them immediately when they answer with their remarks when they don't have an answer to questions in Scripture, and when they teach false doctrines.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/12

I don't see you as a wolf. Maybe overzealous.
I tend to observe it is when they don't agree with you (instead of scripture)then they must be wrong.

Were-Wolves cannot use linked scripture....they do not understand that witness testifys for witness.
Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
---Trav on 8/1/12


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Blogger96,
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? "Be not deceived" neither fornacators, nor idolaters, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
And here is the reason why,

"And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of God"

God has to save them, not me or you. God. There will be no opening of the gates of heaven for any of those who are wicked and died wicked. No wicked people go into heaven.
---Mark_V. on 8/1/12


MarkV, the only reason ANYONE is counted as righteous is because Christs righteousness is imputed to us. So its not a matter of what sins a person has committed in their life, but whether or not they place their trust in Jesus Christ.

There is just as much grace for the murderer as there is for the candy thief. If you dont think so then you simply dont read your Bible. Most of the new testament is written by one of those murdering types. One that murdered CHRISTIANS!!

Anyone who believes they are better than most will cling to a doctrine that strokes their ego. What better way than to preach God loves only some and then naturally to include yourself in that group.

You break my heart that you call yourself a Christian.
---Blogger9680 on 8/1/12


Blogger96, you are still whining and praying to God for Him to open the gates of heaven for the child murderers, molestors. Why don't you just add the guy who killed all those people in Colorado, that when he dies, God opens the gates for him to go into heaven. You can add Hitler to the list, he only murdered millions. Go for it. If you are not complaining you are whining, if not whining you are slandering. Maybe when you die, God will open the gates for you.
"The wicked do not enter heaven, only the righteous."
There is no wicked people in heaven, only righteous people.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/12


I think Mark is trying to tell us that God ordained the Nazis to kill the Jews.
---Smitty on 7/31/12


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"But they are wrong, because God already brought death to millions of them for their disobedience."
---Mark_V. on 7/30/12
Have you thrown predestination out the window? Salvation and earthly well-being are based in obedience you now say?
---Nana on 7/31/12


MarkV, what about those who do not love as Christ did? Where are they going to spend eternity?

"I sure don't wish they will go to heaven. Do you? We are to love our neighbor, but can we love a person who rapes and murders your child? Do you have that love? I don't" ---Mark_V. on 4/10/12

"Jesus did not die to save the wicked man who molest, torture and kill children. Or those who suck the brains out of an unborn baby with a vacuum cleaner, and those who step on His Word without fear of God. No, Jesus didn't die for those. My heart does not hurt one bit for them. I don't know what spirit is making you feel the way you feel.
---Mark_V. on 4/9/12

You, my friend, don't know Jesus.
---Blogger9680 on 7/31/12


Blogger96, the only people I am scared of are people like you. Not scared for myself but for others. I stand by what I say, I have even given the passages and the context. Jesus the man died on the Cross, the eternal Son of God did not. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. For God never changes. And whether you believe it or not, only some are chosen by God. And those He has chosen will one day be call, and will belief by faith, and will be saved, and they will also know they are one of the elect. Blasphemers, and those who slander others, will not enter the kingdom of God, only those born of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/12


Trav, you are right, there is many wolves on site, I know them immediately when they answer with their remarks when they don't have an answer to questions in Scripture, and when they teach false doctrines.
They (wolves) have Jews who died in their sins going into heaven without faith in Christ. They found another way into heaven.
These wolves tell others, if you are from Israel you can sin all you want, since all Israel will be saved anyway.
But they are wrong, because God already brought death to millions of them for their disobedience.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/12


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Mark..

How great a guy I am? I said nothing of the sort. I know Im a scumball and thats why I know I need Jesus. You really like to manipulate others words don't you? No doubt a tactics used by those who deceived you into believing your current doctrine.

I pity you, Mark. I really do. You cant even think for yourself because those who sucked you in have you scared to death to question what youve been taught. That, my friend, is the sign of a cult.

"Man plays no part in getting saved"---MarkV

"No one decides he wants to be one of the elect, that is done by God before the foundation of the world"---MarkV

"You better make sure you are one of the elect"---MarkV
---Blogger9680 on 7/30/12


So much confusion...

"You better make sure you are one of the elect"---MarkV

"You don't realize you are one of the elect until after you are saved"---MarkV

"A man is not saved because he believes in Christ, he believes in Christ because he is saved"---MarkV

"In order to be saved you have to believe in the Son of God"---MarkV

"God cannot die. And Jesus died on the Cross. The Jesus Christ you present is not of the Christian faith...A created son who died on the cross. Your are an opposer to the faith."----MarkV

Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man
---Blogger9680 on 7/30/12


Blogger96, man plays no part in getting saved. It is all of Grace through faith. No amount of merits will get you into the kingdom of God. You have to be born of the Spirit, by God. You play a part after you are saved because the Spirit of God is your whole life, and as a believer you want to do the things for Christ, and when you do good things, God gets the glory, not you. So please don't preach to me how great a guy you. No one is good but God.
No one decides he wants to be one of the elect, that is done by God before the foundation of the world. You don't realize you are one of the elect until after you are saved. The Spirit testifies to your spirit you are a child of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/12


MarkV, rest assured I am no woman. And once again, you completely missed the point. If SCRIPTURE says man plays a part in making his election sure, why do you still cling to the delusion that it is already pre-determined and man plays NO part in his own salvation?

What you're essentially saying is, make sure that your fate is the way God planned it for you. Can you not see how confused you are?

A salvation that is "conditionally predestined" based on a mans actions? Thats completely oxymoronic. Scripture says the predestination is based on FOREKNOWLEDGE. God sees the future and the choices man will make.

You have to pick one. Either man has no choice in whether or not he accepts Jesus Christ or he does.
---Blogger9680 on 7/30/12


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you better make sure you are one of the elect---MarkV

I love this. In one moment this man denies everything he teaches.
---BLogger9680 on 7/29/12

Exactly. Confusion teaches nothing. Opinions are never scripture. Opinions never utilize multiple Biblical witness.
One should ask at some point....do the Prophets verify the statement?
Some having no fear go against the prophets,thereby going against the Apostles....who honored the Prophets.
Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
---Trav on 7/30/12


Is that how you pray to God and get blessings? you better make sure you are one of the elect or you are not going to bit anyone, for you will be a dead sheep dog.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/12

...for you will be a dead Sheep Dog? Hmmmm. Interesting reply.
It would be a righteous death...guarding sheep.
Yes there is a prayer I pray that either way GOD understands I am against wolfies....and wolfies in sheeps clothing.
My GOD delivers regardless.
Acts 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

....and they have.
---Trav on 7/30/12


Blogger96, another jab you throw, your sounding exactly like a lady I know on this site. Here let me help you, explain why I said what I did,

"Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and "election" sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble' (2 Peter 1:10).

You should be making your own call and election sure, instead of wasting your time looking out faults.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/12


you better make sure you are one of the elect---MarkV

I love this. In one moment this man denies everything he teaches.
---BLogger9680 on 7/29/12


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Micah 2:12 I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel, I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of [the multitude of] men.
"All" does not necessarily refer to everyone that has ever lived from the seed of Jacob.
"All" meaning all tribes, but a "remnant" according to each.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed ... an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
---micha9344 on 7/28/12


Trav, wow, you said:
"It does not keep me from honoring GOD. Praying to GOD being blessed by GOD. If I am not Israel and a dog, I'll be the best Sheep Dog at the Sheep Dog Trials. I will bite your tail if you mess with da sheep. Grrrrrr."

How did you go from discussing the word of God to being a sheep dog ready to bit my tail? Is that honoring God as you said you do? Is that how you pray to God and get blessings? you better make sure you are one of the elect or you are not going to bit anyone, for you will be a dead sheep dog.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/12


Trav, Your weaving. You give many passages without context. And I can only answer one at a time. ---Mark_V. on 7/28/12

Standing in one place, it may appear I'm weaving when you're circling.

The word was "ALL". What can I weave with ALL? A blanket of ALL.
Pointed to a few of the scriptures using the word.
You're fight is in what you are afraid to confront. GOD loved Israel. So? I'm comfortable with that. Whether I am or am not. GOD is GOD and can love or choose who he wants too.
It does not keep me from honoring GOD. Praying to GOD being blessed by GOD. If I am not Israel and a dog, I'll be the best Sheep Dog at the Sheep Dog Trials. I will bite your tail if you mess with da sheep. Grrrrrr.
---Trav on 7/28/12


Trav, Your weaving. You give many passages without context. And I can only answer one at a time. You first gave (Rom. 11:1) but forgot to read how many of those were going to be saved and it wasn't all of them, because (V.4) tells us:
"But what does the divine response say to him? "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal." God seems to say seven thousand of all the Israel was saved. They were of the elect, those chosen by God. For (v.7) says,
"What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks, but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. Just as it is written" The others died in their sins, unless you think they will be saved after they died.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/12


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Which seed will be saved from Israel?
You claim all, but that is not true at all.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/12

What scripture points to, you swap for confusion.

Romans 11
11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

26 And so "all Israel" shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Psalm 130:8
He shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.
Isaiah 45:25
In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Jer 2:4
Hear ye the word of the LORD, O house of Jacob, all the families of the house of Israel:
---Trav on 7/27/12


Which seed will be saved from Israel?
---Mark_V. on 7/27/12

Ezekiel 36:10
I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: the cities shall be inhabited, the wastes shall be builded:
Ezekiel 37:16
Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim for all the house of Israel his companions:
Ezekiel 37:22
I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, one king shall be king to them all: they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

Esau per Romans,is obviously not seed.
---Trav on 7/27/12


Trav, first, I am not jealous about anything that I know of. Second, you are weaving around the questions. Which seed will be saved from Israel? You claim all, but that is not true at all. All Jews who died in unbelief will not be saved after their death. All who are living today who will die in unbelief will not be saved after death either. Salvation came to the Gentiles to provoke Israel to jealousy and bring them to salvation. Unbelieving Jews had been broken off. (Rom 11:11-32). Paul says,
"You will say (speaking to the Gentiles) "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in. Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith" (Rom. 11:20). God did not spare the natural branches.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/12


francis, you said all Israel and gave the passage, but you forgot that Paul also said,
---Mark_V. on 7/24/12

Did yo even read the rest of the post?

What did you think of the rest of my post?
---francis on 7/25/12


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Trav, you put down some passages but did not explain them. you also gave (Isa. 45:25) and did not explain it. ---Mark_V. on 7/21/12

I also put that I am not a teacher. Only point. Here we'll point to the word "All". Which part of "all the seed of Israel" do you want to filter? All? You're doctrine wrestles with scripture and can never win in truth.
The word "all" unifies Romans, Hebrews, Ezekiel etc,etc. The words "everlasting" and "for ever" lay a foundation as well.

Isaiah 45:25
25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

They do & will glory, and you would also if not so jealous.
---Trav on 7/25/12


francis, you said all Israel and gave the passage, but you forgot that Paul also said, "...For they are not all Israel, who are of Israel" (Rom. 9:6) And Paul also said,
"nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham, but in Isaac your seed shall be called" (Rom. 9:7). And here is why, those who are of the flesh are not of the seed of Abraham.
"That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as the seed"
---Mark_V. on 7/24/12


It was said by one person here that Jesus Christ will one day save Israel. What does Scripture say?
---Mark_V. on 7/19/12
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Jesus death on the cross is the ONLY plan to save israel

All those whoa re of israel who will be saved, will be saved by Jesus death on the corss

No additional efforts will be made
---francis on 7/24/12


Brother Willie, great passages you gave. The one in (Rom. 2:28,29) is a very good passage because it speaks of who the Jew really is. It opens the door to more revelation concerning Israel. We also know that not all Israel is Israel, and why would Paul say that? That is why I ask for others to get in the discussion, for a lot can be said about Israel, since the whole Old Testment concerned them, and most of the Bible writers in the New Testament quote from the Old.
---Mark_V. on 7/24/12


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According to the book of Revelation there will be 144,000 which equals 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel who God will seal in the end times.
God keeps his covenant to Jews and Gentiles because he is faithful! Revelation 7:3-8
---SA on 7/24/12


//Jesus saves individuals, not groups.//-Cluny. I totally agree with this input from Cluny. John 3: 15 & 16, in there you will find, "whosoever believeth". In John 6:37, you will find, "him that cometh to me, I will in no wise cast out". But note that the larger the numbers of true believers in a group, church or nation, the more blessed that group is.
---Adetunji on 7/23/12


Trav, you put down some passages but did not explain them. you also gave (Isa. 45:25) and did not explain it. Those "In the Lord?" which the passage speaks of or those without the Lord at that time? Which seed? All those from the Old T. descendants of Jacob who died without Christ? All those today who are without Christ? or some other group in the future? Or, all the people from Israel from Jacob to those in the future? Which Israel are you talking about? It's easy to say, Israel will be saved, but which one?
Since you say only some people know this, so you must know, why don't you tell us?
---Mark_V. on 7/21/12


Jesus came unto His own & they received Him not, then He came to us gentiles ( There are some Jew people being saved Acts 2 v 38 along with us gentiles). The door to us gentiles will be shut after the rapture, & He will return to His own, there will be 144 thousand be saved.
---Lawrence on 7/21/12


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It was said by one person here that Jesus Christ will one day save Israel. What does Scripture say?----Blog Question

It says so much on this subject that if offends many Christians. Not understanding or being taught, Christians are not aware that by asking, the "only" teacher our Lord that the answers are where you find them witnessed.
You could start research with "for ever", "everlasting", "all", sheep etc. His remarriage was promised, although it seemed impossible to man. Heb 8-10,Romans, Hosea,and the rest explain how.
Isaiah 45:25
In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
---Trav on 7/20/12


Mark_V. on 7/20/12

I wish I had your energy. Mark Boanerges could be your name. Your zeal is greatly appreciated by me.

This topic needs delicate treatment. Israel and the Fathers were promised certain and particular blessings from a God Who cannot lie and will perform all His will.

I have the desire to see the Body of Christ embrace these truths, the promises made to Israel. Alas, few among us know how to correctly divide the word of truth. Creed and tradition have destroyed the platform of discussion.

An accurate and correct response can be made only through proper partitioning of the Word.
---Phil on 7/20/12


Bro. Phil, let me first say you are not that person I mentioned. Second, you Phil could have revelation concerning Israel that others don't have and you could share it with me or someone else. If you wish to share it's great, if not don't. Third, there is alot to speak of Israel, which one is going to be saved. All those who rejected Christ in the Old. T. or all those today who reject Christ and die rejecting Him, or is there a special group in the future only, that will be saved without faith in Christ, Or with faith in Christ, or all of them from the beginning with Jacob to judgement day? So you see a lot can be talked about if you are willing. If not that is Ok.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/12


God said "They shall NEVER enter my rest".

The Jews wanted an earthly kingdom. God explicitly says that the sons of that kingdom will "be thrown into the outer darkness, there men will WEEP AND GNASH THEIR TEETH" (Matthew 8:12)......but WE (as "SONS OF GOD") will not go into the outer darkness.

Be a SON OF GOD and let God be "ABBA FATHER", not "master" (Romans 8:15, Titus 1:8).
---more_excellent_way on 7/19/12


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Jesus saves individuals, not groups. Much less countries.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/12


Scripture says, "And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
. .'The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
. . And He will turn away ungodlinesss from Jacob,
. . For this is My covenant with them,
. . When I take away their sins.'"
. . . . . . (Romans 11:26)

Scripture also says, "For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh, but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter, whose praise is not from men but from God." (Romans 2:28-29)
---willie_c: on 7/19/12


Mark_v, you have got to be kidding. Is this a trap? Are we being bated, so you can reel us in and say, "ahaa, I caught you."?

Or, do you really not know?
---Phil on 7/19/12


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