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You are dead wrong here.
That is like syaing we should not return tithes and offering because the administrators are stealing or missusing the funds. Our duty to the poor is to provide for them. those who steal from the poor will answer to God

Proverbs 22:16 He that oppresseth the poor to increase his [riches, and] he that giveth to the rich, [shall] surely [come] to want.

We can give to the poor directly, through our churches, through non religious charities, and through our liberal government

Deuteronomy 15:14 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: [of that] wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.
---francis on 7/30/12


NurseRobert, I'm sorry if I was wrong. I was under the impression that you were a male nurse. Is that not so? I think I specifically remember one time you jumping down my throat because I was referring to you as a "she" because I thought Roberts was your last name. And you pointed out that your name is Nurse Robert, Not Roberts. So now you are upset because I'm referring to you as a male nurse? Which is it? Are you ashamed of your job? Why are you ashamed of being a Murse?
---Jed on 7/30/12


Francis: "There is nothing in the entire bible, that prevents the king ( government) from helping the poor and needy."

No one said that there was. There is also nothing in the Bible that prevents your jumping off a cliff, but I don't recommend it. There is however injunction in the Bible against opressive taxation and theft. Most of the money earmarked for the poor goes into bureaucrats pockets and never reaches the poor. You help subsidize that sin by your liberalism. Why not seek out the needy on your own and help them directly? There is a blessing from God in it for you. There is no blessing from God in opressive government.



---jerry6593 on 7/30/12


aka: Years ago, I happened to overhear my children making fun of some other children by calling them "Jerry's Kids" (an obvious reference to the palsied children helped by Jerry Lewis on his yearly telethon). I shut them up by reminding them that they were all "Jerry's Kids".


---jerry6593 on 7/30/12


Micha, he tends to do that when he can't come up with a better response to a question or a posting. Jed started doing the same thing.
---NurseRobert on 7/29/12




No, its a big country and we have seen from natural disasters we are stretched to do things quickly even with a gazillion government workers.
The problem is that government, which is us, is too INEFFICIENT. All of us appreciate great customer service whether at Morton's or Home Depot and we're already paying for it, we're just not getting it.
The second issue is affordability. If the government is inefficient it mind as well be a lot smaller.
Of course the cutting of government work forces has a downside of increasing the unemployment lines, rate and unemployment assistance. This ironically defeats some of the justification for shrinking government in the first place.
Its complicated.
---larry on 7/29/12


I've been called many names here, but I don't mind - I think it's funny. Do you have a sense of humor? ---jerry6593 on 7/29/12

that's good to know jerryskid6593! :-)

i was called jakas a few times. i thought it was funny, clever, and a good tell with the way the rest of the post read.

i have many times wanted to change some, but i stay away from that.
---aka on 7/29/12


Francis, you have a nice way of taking things out of context.
---Jed on 7/29/12


That's why all the welfare recipients are liberals, they would never vote for someone who might take their welfare away, even though that's the right thing to do.
---Jed on 7/25/12
I don't know anyone who wants to prevent pregnant women from getting medical care.
---Jed on 7/28/12

Look in the mirror
---francis on 7/29/12


Jerry, I do not think you have altered my username in any way.
I have seen the way you alter others and are not always sure of the attitude or intent behind it.
It is discouraging in the fact that it may be taken the wrong way by many readers that may not even post.
But, I guess I'll just leave that up to God.
Phi 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord alway: [and] again I say, Rejoice.
Psa 118:24 his [is] the day [which] the LORD hath made, we will rejoice and be glad in it.
---micha9344 on 7/29/12




Francis, I don't know anyone who wants to prevent pregnant women from getting medical care. That's just absurd. Obviously lying like this is the only way your party can defend itself.
---Jed on 7/28/12


welfare

there is great irony in that word.
---aka on 7/28/12


There is nothing in the entire bible, that prevents the king ( government) from helping the poor and needy.

Deuteronomy 15:11 For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.

It is only the some Republicans that that are misleading christians to believe that the bible is against any government giving aide to the poor.

Proverbs 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.
---francis on 7/28/12


Francis: The Bible teaches that a man should not marry until he can afford a wife and children. I waited until I had graduated the University and had a good paying job before I got hitched. As an SDA, our institutions offer subsidies, work programs, etc. to help worthy students. And there's always the Church to help in time of need. Jesus never taught going to Rome for assistance or paying extra taxes to them to help the poor. They are too corrupt to be trusted.


Micha: What other names have I called you? Or are you one of those bloggers that goes by many pseudonyms? I've been called many names here, but I don't mind - I think it's funny. Do you have a sense of humor?


---jerry6593 on 7/29/12


While I was in college doing my internship my wife got pregnant. We had no insurance. All our medical bills related to the birth of our child was cvered by Medicaid, a LIBERAL program.
We used WIC to help with our new born baby.
When I had finished my internship and had not yet passed my board exams, my family stayed in government Subsidized Housing.

Today things are different for my family, we are in the 6 figure income bracket. We are proud tax payers and supporters of the very same programs which gave us a hand up, the very same programs that many of you " christians" would have taken away from my family.

Can the church afford to pay medical bills,
Subsidize housing, and feed millons of families?
---francis on 7/28/12


Even though I believe the SDA does not discern the Truth well, I do respect Jerry and his convictions more than that of Francis.
The only thing I am discouraged about when I see Jerry's posts is when he chops up someone's usernname whether accidentally or otherwise. I believe it to be a poor example both as a Christian and an SDA.
Francis, on the other hand, well, I guess my opinion has been posted many times.
Back to the blog--I cannot fathom why a Christian would let someone else be responsible for their charge from God to give to the poor and needy. Even giving to the church cannot fulfill that charge against each individual believer.
The minute percentage of it actually going to the poor is deplorable.
---micha9344 on 7/28/12


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Francis: We are not to do God's work by employing Satan's methods!



---jerry6593 on 7/28/12


Francis: "we cannot stop people from commiting offences, but we should not deprove [sic] the poor and needy because of other people"

We CAN stop the Feds from commiting offences by voting them out of office. They create the poor, needy and dependant by thier cruel and opressive taxation and regulation of the just for the benefit of the unjust.

Jesus said that we would have the poor always. Do you want the Feds to make Him a liar? Christian charity is primarily a religious experience for the benefit of the giver. Do you get a that religious experience when the Feds tax you? I don't!


---jerry6593 on 7/28/12


Francis, a much better solution to government run welfare is for Christians to do our parts as individuals to help our neighbors in need. There would be little room for abuse of the "system" if helping the poor was left up to the individuals who knew them and knew their needs. We are also be better able than the government to determine who is just living off others and being lazy. It's not that conservatives do not want to help the poor. No one gives more of their own money to the needy than conservatives and that's a proven fact. But helping the needy is the individual's job, not the government's. We can do more with our money to help the poor than the government can. The government is the worst appropriator of funds ever.
---Jed on 7/27/12


NO! 99 wrongs don't make a right. Those of us who are Christians would go to the one in need OURSELVES and fill his need. We would not employ government goons to shake down other people.
---jerry6593 on 7/27/12

Then we as christians have failed!!!

Matthew 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come, but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

we cannot stop people from commiting offences, but we should not deprove the poor and needy because of other people
---francis on 7/27/12


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NurseRobert,consider Medicare/Medicaid,lol,You even work for the Gov't....
---kevin5443 on 7/27/12


Francis: "Those of us who are christians are willing to see 99 people defraud the system so that one deserving soul may benefit."

NO! 99 wrongs don't make a right. Those of us who are Christians would go to the one in need OURSELVES and fill his need. We would not employ government goons to shake down other people.

I am frankly shocked that a Bible-believing SDA such as yourself would advocate the violation of the biblical principles:

Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not STEAL.

2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not WORK, neither should he EAT.


---jerry6593 on 7/27/12


Jed, You have an ungoly view of welfare. Just because some people who are able to work refuse to work in order to get welfare that we should not provide it. That is your lack of christian growth.
Those of us who are christians are willing to see 99 people defraud the system so that one deserving soul may benefit.

Romans 14:10 for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Those who stole from the poor, those who refused to give to the poor and those who gave to the poor.

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in
Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
---francis on 7/26/12


Government fraud, corporate fraud, bank fraud, etc is far higher than 2%.

And to prove that point that it's not just liberals, unfaithful husbands are frauds too. and just LOOK at how many are actually Conservative Republicans.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/12


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Jed: Research has shown that Welfare fraud includes only 2% of the Welfare recipients. That is the people receiving Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. Also, the recipients MUST either work part time, OR receive training for employment. The other 98% are truly struggling, and more than likely have been unsuccessful in finding gainful employment. Temporary Assistance for Needy Families has a five year lifetime limit. The Welfare reform regulations were passed by a liberal president, Bill Clinton. So, don't tell me about liberals or welfare.
---Trish on 7/26/12


Francis, you have a rather naive view of the welfare program and it's recipients.
---Jed on 7/26/12


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---kathr4453 on 7/26/12


food corporations and industry groups have been lobbying intensely to make sure that junk food such as candy and soda can be purchased using SNAP. As New York City and nine states have pushed for health-based reforms to limit such purchases, these industry lobbies have pushed back hard to protect their pot of gold. Powerful food industry lobbying groups such as the American Beverage Association and the Snack Food Association teamed up to oppose health-oriented improvements to SNAP, at times working with anti-hunger groups. Strange bedfellows?

Corporations and Banks and Wal-Mart ETC are making Millions off Food Stamps! The Lobbiest for these corporations are going to fight hard to KEEP food stamps.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/12


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I said WELFARE is a liberal thing.
---Jed on 7/25/12
I said all the welfare recipients are liberals.
---Jed on 7/25/12

Yss welfare is a liberal thing, we liberals give liberally through our tax dollars to the poor.

And all welfare recipients are not liberals. What they all have in common in a need for help.

Proverbs 11:25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.
---francis on 7/26/12


Oh I KNOW there are Conservative Republicans on food stamps right now.
If anyone wants to dispute that, then show statistics where ONLY Conservative Republicans HAVE JOBS and that group alone needs no assistance!
---kathr4453 on 7/26/12

Obviously there is no way to either prove or disprove this statement. No one keeps any statistics on this. You make this opinionated statement as if it's a fact because you know there is no way for anyone to disprove it.
---Jed on 7/26/12


too big for what?

they are set up quite well for their purpose.
---aka on 7/23/12

agreed
---francis on 7/23/12

not in a positive way
---aka on 7/26/12


I think we need to be careful about labeling anyone THESE DAYS as being a Liberal who receive any kind of help, or have because of our ecomomy, loss of homes, jobs etc. Oh, I'll bet there are many a conservative using food stamps these days, but just won't openly admit it.

Oh I KNOW there are Conservative Republicans on food stamps right now.

If anyone wants to dispute that, then show statistics where ONLY Conservative Republicans HAVE JOBS and that group alone needs no assistance!
---kathr4453 on 7/26/12


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I said all the welfare recipients are liberals.
---Jed on 7/25/12
That is not even close to being true. Poverty is not a liberal or conservative thing
---francis on 7/25/12

Francis, there you go twisting my words again. I never said poverty was a liberal thing. I said WELFARE is a liberal thing. Big difference. I grew up poor my whole life and know many others who are still very poor and refuse welfare. I also know many liberals who have no idea what real poverty is and they are the first to take advantage of every welfare program they can.
---Jed on 7/25/12


"You crack me up. "kind hearted liberals" yeah right! More like ignorant naive and selfish liberals. Liberals only do what is best for them and what is going to benefit them rather than what is right." Jed 7/25/12.

Jed, I was responding to THIS statement by you. There is absolutely nothing wrong with my reading ability.
---Trish on 7/25/12


francis, if you make six figures why don't you give half of it to welfare. I am not willing to give any to welfare. I believe everyone should work if they eat. all I can hear is jobless but yet you look in the help wanted ads and it is full of help wanted but most won't stoop low enough to work for what they get.
---shira4368 on 7/25/12


I said all the welfare recipients are liberals.
---Jed on 7/25/12
That is not even close to being true. Poverty is not a liberal or conservative thing
---francis on 7/25/12


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Jed: I'm a liberal. What's your point?
---Trish on 7/25/12


Apparently Francis and Trish have trouble comprehending things they read. I didn't say all liberals are on welfare. I said all the welfare recipients are liberals.
---Jed on 7/25/12


---Jed on 7/25/
Sorry Jed I am a 6 figure earner, and i am proud to be a liberal especially when I see poor people benefiting from WIC, medicaid, medicare, government housing, public transportation and many other programs that we liberals sponsor with our tax dollars

HELPING THE POOR IS RIGHT
---francis on 7/25/12


Trish, aren't you a liberal?
---Jed on 7/25/12


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Jed: The liberals in my family are not on Welfare, and they earn close to, or over $100,000 a year. My son and his wife earn a pretty penny, and are most definitely liberals. Not all of the liberals are on Welfare.
---Trish on 7/25/12


"kind hearted liberals"
---francis on 7/25/12

Wow you are more diluted than I thought! You crack me up. "kind hearted liberals" yeah right! More like ignorant naive and selfish liberals. Liberals only do what is best for them and what is going to benefit them rather than what is right. That's why all the welfare recipients are liberals, they would never vote for someone who might take their welfare away, even though that's the right thing to do.
---Jed on 7/25/12


Government FOR the people, OF the people, and BY the people.

And WE THE PEOPLE, the kind hearted liberts who voted in our government officials demand that they use our taxes to help the poor, and if you do not like it leave our country!
---francis on 7/25/12


How big is it? We have three hundred million people in the United States. In comparison with three hundred million people . . . how big, really, is the federal government?

The media can put a blown-up photo of one little ladybug in our faces so it seems like that little ladybug is the whole world (c:
---willie_c: on 7/25/12


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I'm sure Jed's really a nice guy. Give him a break.
---Smitty on 7/24/12


Is the federal government too big?

Any government that is in debt is TOO BIG.

Ours is not only too big, but is also too corrupt. It is run by a Chicago Mob of criminals.


---jerry6593 on 7/25/12


Jed: And in the recent past, you called me a liar. Now you know how it feels.
---Trish on 7/25/12


Trish, I did not judge you because you were sick. I was defending myself against your judgmental attacks calling me heartless and non-christian when you don't even know me.
---Jed on 7/24/12


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Jed: Now you know how it feels.
---Trish on 7/24/12


Jed: I hope you are blessed with good health until you are able to retire by choice. I did not want to retire on Disability. I had no choice. I would much rather work full time, but my health does not allow it. I tried to work part time, but could not even do that.

It is no fun being on a fixed income, and spending over $13,000 on medical expenses last year, over and above my insurance coverage.

Since January, I have spent two solid weeks in the hospital having surgery while there. I have also had two outpatient surgeries.

I am currently doing volunteer work, and ministry work with my church's food pantry every week.

So, instead of judging me because I am sick, why not pray for me?
---Trish on 7/24/12


fist let me say that the gov't was not created by the people, neither was it created for the poeple. It was created and established by God period and for his purposes.Every gov't employee from the president on down are his servant and WILL be dealt with by God for how they perfom their duties. Romans 13:1-8
---Derrick_Gooden on 7/24/12


You are the most heartless person I know of, and I can't comprehend how you can call yourself a Christian.
---Trish on 7/24/12

Trish, How dare you. I freely give away over 50% of my income to the truly needy in my community in addition to paying taxes. Do you? I work hard and probably survive on less than you get from the government for doing nothing. You survive off of tax payers like me and you have the nerve to tell me I am not a Christian? Your idea of compassion is forcing someone to give money agaist their will to able bodied people who probably have more that those who were forced to give. Yeah, that's compassion alright.
---Jed on 7/24/12


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the USA Gov't is by the people for the people,considering 64% of the people work for the goverment,probably to big?
---kevin5443 on 7/24/

Kevin, not even close... where did you get these numbers?
---NurseRobert on 7/24/12


the USA Gov't is by the people for the people,considering 64% of the people work for the goverment,probably to big?
---kevin5443 on 7/24/12


Well it's clear who the socialists are on these blogs.
---Jed on 7/24/12

Jed, why is it when you and others like you cant come up with an intelligent response you stoop to this?
---NurseRobert on 7/24/12


Is it the governments responsibility to take care of everyone? Let's all quit work and try this.
If people who are "dependants of the state" were required to do something for their "benifits" then they would seek productive work.
As far as the church goes, it is the families responsibility to take care of their own before the churches get involved. Those who beg for the most give the least whan they have it. They say you don't have to tithe or give anything to the church. Some of them post on CN.
Next, if the government was not such an easy touch more people would seek work and not another pregency. Then there would be more money in the churches so they could help more and moniter those getting assistance.
---Elder on 7/24/12


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how can a christian vote against a party that has creasted: Social security, medicaid, WIC, Medicare, government housing, food stamps and so many other programs which the church has not or cannot provide?

Is the abortion issue such a great issue that we would have people starve and live on the streets

Can you not see how having people fed, sheltered and clothed will lead to less abortions?
---francis on 7/24/12


Well it's clear who the socialists are on these blogs.
---Jed on 7/24/12


Gotta love them there COMPPASIONATE CONSERVATIVES don't ya!
---francis on 7/24/12


"Who should buy people's groceries? Themselves.

Who should ensure people's survival? Themselves.

Who should decide what their kids eat at school? Themselves."

Jed: I just finished reading an article that states that the US poverty rate is going up, and is as bad as it was 50 years ago, prior to Johnson's War on Poverty.

There are not enough full time jobs that pay a decent salary, and have medical benefits. Just HOW do you propose these people feed themselves and their children, and pay for the medical treatment without the help of the government?

You are the most heartless person I know of, and I can't comprehend how you can call yourself a Christian.
---Trish on 7/24/12


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Quality stuff? That's funny! The banks and brokerage houses feathered their nests while running the country to ruin. I'm not saying that's bad. It's just how things are. People are just animals, and it's the law of the jungle. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
---Smitty on 7/23/12


groceries? They do the goverment gives assistance to the poor, you know like Jesus commanded.

Survival? Read the preamble to the Constitution

Eat at School? The school if it is providing the meal.

Big Soda: Thats state, not fed

Who should pay for the mistakes of GM's executives?Its called keeping the little people employed. You would rather all of them become unemployed?

Practice beliefs publicly?
Who's stopping you?
---NurseRobert on 7/23/12


Government is a business like any other business, growing to benefit the people who operate it. That's how things are. If you don't like it from the outside, get elected and tap into the goodies yourself.
---Smitty on 7/23/12

Yeah, only except earning money by providing a quality service that people want to buy, they just force people to pay them without any choice for doing absolutely nothing.
---Jed on 7/23/12


Government is a business like any other business, growing to benefit the people who operate it. That's how things are. If you don't like it from the outside, get elected and tap into the goodies yourself.
---Smitty on 7/23/12


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Jed, thats a non answer.. give us specifics.
---NurseRobert on 7/23/12

Murse, you asked who should do what the feds do and I answered individuals. If you didn't understand the answer it's because you didn't comprehend it, not because I didn't answer clearly. I'll explain A FEW just for you.

Who should buy people's groceries? Themselves.

Who should ensure people's survival? Themselves.

Who should decide what their kids eat at school? Themselves.

Who should decide how big of a Soda people should drink? Themselves.

Who should pay for the mistakes of GM's executives? Themselves.

Who should decide if people practice beliefs publicly? Themselves.
---Jed on 7/23/12


Shira, I taught in a public school district for 18+ years. The quality of school lunches is deplorable. When I taught in public schools, the lunches often consisted of pizza, tater tots, the vegetable was optional, and they can choose chocolate milk, or strawberry milk, and they offered NO skim milk, even though the government required it be an option. I researched and read the entire set of guidelines for a school project, and skim milk is supposed to be an option.

The school breakfasts were served in the classrooms, and consisted of either a honey bun, Bagelful, or sugar cereal.

I applaud Michele Obama for insisting the the school breakfasts and lunches be overhauled.
---Trish on 7/23/12


jed, it is too too big for its own good. they can't control spending but they expect us to control our spending. I have a budget that I live by and so should the feds. when the presidents wife controls what our children eat at school it is a sad day. it is up to the parents to control their children but again here we go....many don't control theirs.
---shira4368 on 7/23/12


Individuals, as it should be. I am in no way suggesting eliminating the fed. I'm talking about all the things the fed does that is none of their business that should be done by individuals.
---Jed on 7/23/12

Jed, thats a non answer.. give us specifics.
---NurseRobert on 7/23/12


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too big for what?
---aka on 7/23/12

So big that it tramples on individual liberties and freedoms.

Who would do the things the feds do now?
---NurseRobert on 7/23/12

Individuals, as it should be. I am in no way suggesting eliminating the fed. I'm talking about all the things the fed does that is none of their business that should be done by individuals.
---Jed on 7/23/12


Trish, it's sad you don't see God-given liberty and freedom as spiritual.
---Jed on 7/23/12


too big for what?

they are set up quite well for their purpose.
---aka on 7/23/12

agreed
---francis on 7/23/12


Jed, how big do you think it needs to be? Who would do the things the feds do now?
---NurseRobert on 7/23/12


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Jed: I'd love to see you start a thread about Spiritual matters.
---Trish on 7/23/12


too big for what?

they are set up quite well for their purpose.
---aka on 7/23/12


It's jobs, and people working for the government can get health benefits and retirement. And a lot of other jobs are doing what doesn't even matter, too. It's kind of like how God has blessed us after we haven't done anything, really. It might be better for a lot of us to just get payed and not use up gas and put out fumes while driving to work! How many jobs do what really has to be done . . . other than get you money?
---willie_c: on 7/23/12


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