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"Still waiting for you to explain...the fullness"- Marc

Asked and answered on the "Do Lies Become Truth" thread.

"Give NY a call." Marc

Why? I thought you said that I'm a "paid WT plant"? Why don't I just walk down the hall?
---scott on 8/18/12

"We Trinitarians"- Marc

The Early Days of Christianity, vol.1, p. 55

"The first teachers of Christianity were never charged by the Jews (who unquestionably believed in the strict unity of God), with introducing any new theory of the Godhead. Many foolish and false charges were made against Christ, but this was never alleged against him or any of his disciples...

...The subject of this fatal controversy, which kindled such deplorable divisions...was the doctrine of the Three Persons in the Godhead, a doctrine which in the three preceding centuries had happily escaped the vain curiosity of human researches, and had been left undefined and undetermined by any particular set of ideas."
---scott on 8/18/12

"My new height." Marc

Hello..hello...ello...ello...lo...lo...o from my new height! The view from here is spectacular.

From way up here I can see Christian Zionist Jerry Falwell. What's that you say Jerry? "Jews can make more money accidentally than [we] can on purpose."? "The Antichrist would probably arrive within a decade" and "Of course he'll be Jewish"? "Muhammad [was] a "terrorist"? Oh and who was responsible for 911? Nice Jerry...really nice.

No wonder Marc's comments drip with vitriolic hatred.

Sure he misses you.
---scott on 8/10/12

"Christian Zionism: Hatred - "Hilarious!!!" Marc (2)

The United Methodist Church, 2005:

"Every household should give prayerful consideration as to how God will actually judge us for our silence about and complicity in the crushing of the Palestinian people."

Evangelical Lutheran Church, 2005, Chicago Metropolitan Synod:

"Christian Zionism...seeks to influence U.S. policy toward Israel in a manner that would arguably facilitate mistreatment of Palestinians..."

Episcopal Church, Nov. 2004, Chicago Diocese:

"A partial response to Christian Zionism would be...that we read Scripture in light of [Jesus'] two great commandments - to love God and our neighbor."
---scott on 8/10/12

The best JfWs can hope for is a second class salvation (formerly called Jonadabs), who are automatically deprived of the Heavenly Hope of living in the New Jerusalem.

But this makes sense, as they believe in a second-class 'jesus' who is not God incarnate and didn't really rise from the dead in his physical body.

In their imitation of the Eucharist, they pass around bread and wine and nobody receives, thus testifying they have no life in themselves.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/12


Your dishonest hypocrisy has reached a new height.

Your [still] hilarious Christian Zionism quotes demonstrate when it suits you, you will comment on politics despite JWs being forbidden to do so. So how come JWs are suddenly experts on politics without understanding a single aspect of the Middle East, not even what happens on a daily basis in Israel? Is it the cut and paste skill? I suppose as God's only organisation on earth they must know all.

Re works, but Scott, call it "obedience", or whatever Brooklyn orders you to call it, JWs must work in order to be saved. Because JWs don't know they're saved NOW, they must do something to help it along, like door-knocking or not having blood transfusions.
---Marc on 8/10/12

"The quote" Ruben, Marc (2)

Additionally, those who falsely accuse Witnesses of somehow attempting to "earn" salvation overlook a simple but meaningful aspect of their worldwide brotherhood that contradicts this silly claim.

Apparently (if this claim were true) all of the elderly, infirm or bed-ridden Witnesses who are unable to participate in the preaching work lose their salvation automatically because they are unable to earn it. You do see the absurdity of this claim...right?

"Obedience" Marc

I am unapologetic about the need to demonstrate obedience to my God.

"To obey is better than sacrifice...". 1 Sam 15:22, ASV
---scott on 8/10/12

"The quote" Ruben, Marc (1)

Citing the wrong date for this quote is an indication that Marc and others have (likely) not read the entire five-page (65 year old) article that it has been lifted from.

The same article cites Titus 1:2: "Upon the basis of a hope of the everlasting life which God...promised...It was with that promised gift of life in mind that God gave his only...Son..."

On balance, the scriptural principles addressed 65 years ago reflect the views held by Witnesses today: Everlasting life is a "gift" that can not be earned, but contrary to the "once saved always saved" heresy, "faith without works is dead". James 2:17
---scott on 8/10/12

"Christian Zionism: Hatred Driven Heresy"- "Hilarious!!!" Marc (1)

John Hagee- "The US must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill Gods plan...a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran..."

The Presbyterian Church, July 2004, National General Assembly:

"Christian Zionism promotes a theology that justifies grievous violations of basic rights of people who are also made in the image of God, and is contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ."

The United Church of Christ, July 2003:

"The tenets of Christian Zionism neither reflect the intention of the teachings of Jesus and the prophets, nor promote peace..."
---scott on 8/10/12

Phil, I love your reasoning how you "rightly divided the word" and deduced that only Jews were writen in the Lambs Book of Life and quote Phil 4:3, seeing that Paul is referencing a gentile by the name of Clement as being listed in the Lambs Book of Life. You might want to "redivide" the word?
---trey on 8/9/12

Phil, the Book of Life is a book that from eternity past, God registered all the names of His elect in that Book which identifies those inheritors of eternal life (Rev. 3:5: Dan. 12:1: Mal. 3:16,17: Luke 10:20: Rev. 17:8: 20:12). No believer, whether Jew or Gentile will stand before the "Great White Throne of Judgment" They will stand at the Judgment Seat of Christ. For there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ.
At the Great White Throne of Judgment the only book that will be opened is the book of works. That will show the bad those people have done against God. They were already condemned, now they will be sentence.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/12

MarkV excellent responses to Phil, who presents his views well.
---joseph on 8/7/12

Phil, the answer is yes. God, on Mount Sinai said "If" the Israelites obeyed His voice "then" they would be "a special treasure.. a kingdom of priests and a holy nation" (Exodu19:5,6). In the letter to believers, Peter quoted the same words and applied them to God's Church. "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people..who once were not a people but are now the people of God" ( 1 Peter 2:9,10) In the Old Testament days God spoke about "Israel My elect" (Isaiah 45:4). In the New Testament times, Paul also called true believers in the Messiah-both Jews and Gentiles-"the elect of God" (Col. 3:11,12).
---Mark_V. on 8/6/12


Is it possible that you belive the Body of Christ the "spiritual Israel"?

If so, I understand you.

2Ti 2:15 be diligent to present thyself approved to God--a workman irreproachable, rightly dividing the word of the truth,

I have entered into this place with God. I am able to apprehend things that differ.

Correct partitioning is a command, not an option. The burden of it cannot be borne by the frail and weakminded.

I do not believe you to be one of those.
---Phil on 8/5/12

Phil, you sure add to Scripture what is not there to support Israel only. You said,

"The Scroll of Life is a record of all the saints of Israel that lived by faith before God, as did their father Abraham."

Nowhere does it say what you said, "the record of all the saints of Israel" implying they are the only one's in the book of life.
The fact is that all the saints are all who believe by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no two kinds of saints, but one, the Church of Christ, the body of Christ. For the two have become one.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/12

Moreover, the "book of life" is something still different Marc on 7/31/12

It is good to righty divide the word of truth.

The Scroll of Life is a record of all the saints of Israel that lived by faith before God, as did their father Abraham.

It contains no Gentile personages.Ps 69:28 Phl 4:3 Re 3:5 Re 13:8 Re 17:8

Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened

The Jewish ancestry is recorded meticulously for a reason. The Gentiles are judged out of the "books", not the Book of Life.
---Phil on 8/4/12

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So do the quotes I provided exist or not?
---Marc on 8/3/12

Marc made a mistake.
The quote is from July 1 1947 Watchtower.
The quote still stands.
scott is avoiding the issue and focusing on the petty.
Now you may continue with the topic or continue avoiding it by focusing on me and my post.
The choice is yours.
---micha9344 on 8/1/12

The citation (April 1, 1947) still does not exist...mate.
---scott on 8/1/12

At Acts 15:20 we read "Abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood."

---scott on 7/31/12

And the Watchtower explains the scripture verse using a book call Hemorrhage and Transfusion, by George W. Crile, A.M., M.D,(1961)who quotes a letter from Denys, French
physician and early researcher in the field of transfusions. However what the Society do not tell their beloved followers is it was published in 1909 and it was not being consider as a medical field 52 yrs later. Also it did not inform anyone that Denys(french author) did his research in the 1600's , in fact had been dead for 257 yrs before 1961!
---Ruben on 8/1/12

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It doesn't exist, Scott?

1. "Moreover, the "book of life" is something still different. It symbolizes God's unerasable records of those judged worthy of life eternal on the perfected earth of the righteousness New World. No records will be preserved of those destroyed. To get one's name written in that book of life will depend upon one's work, whether they are in fulfilment of God's will and approved by his Judge and King." (WT 7/1/47, p. 204)
2. "Our close relationship with our heavenly Father, our strong faith like of Abraham, AND OUR OBEDIENCE TO God's commands allows us declared righteous and be received by Jehovah." (WT, 5/1/05, p. 11)
Say what, Scott? Our works, not Jesus', brings us salvation?
---Marc on 7/31/12

"Christian Zionism: The Most Virulent and Hatred Driven Heresy"- Dr. Jim West"


My friends and I couldn't stop laughing at your desperation. Pulled out of apropos nothing, you were obviously so frazzled you couldn't think of anything intellectually worthwhile to say but this?


Oh, btw, I like the inclusion of his degree i.e. Dr. Nice touch. Really strengthens your case.
---Marc on 8/1/12

Marc, you upset Scott big time-it is an Olympic effort this time-5 posts!

Scott would have us believe if a JW "persists" in donating/receiving blood He is out, vamoosed. Marc quoted "[I]f in the future he persists in accepting blood transfusions or in donating blood...he must be cut off therefrom by disfellowshiping." (Watchtower, 15th January 1961, p. 64.) Scott would have us believe it isn't the blood donating/receiving that is the sin. But it is.

I love the way these JW guys hurl insults about then whinge about perceived insults such as the not present "Vitriolic misrepresentation."

BTW Scott you haven't shown us where the WTS says taking/donating blood isn't a sackable offence.
---Warwick on 7/31/12

"Vitriolic misrepresentation...Not really?" Marc

Yes really.

The fact that Marc has posted a citation (April 1, 1947) that does not exist is a clear indication that his opinions are formed by standing on the shoulders of anti-Witness dwarfs...simply regurgitating their internet, out-of-context, teeth-gnashing rhetoric.

Masterful apologetics..."mate".
---scott on 7/31/12

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"[I]f in the future he persists..." Marc (1)

The key to your quote is "persists".

At Acts 15:20 we read "Abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood."

A Christian who, because of human imperfection, falters, committing the sin of immorality (for example) wouldn't necessarily by removed or disfellowshipped from a congregation. Christian elders work diligently and lovingly with the help of God's Word and Holy Spirit to assist someone who has taken a wrong course- hopefully restoring them to repentance. Paul said "Keep exhorting and reproving with full authority." Titus 2:15

---scott on 7/31/12

"Persists" Marc (2)

On the other hand, clearly if a Christian "persists" in a repeated course of immorality, ignoring the loving counsel and assistance of the elders, continually ignoring the biblical principles involved then as Paul said:

"Put away from among yourselves that wicked person." 1 Cor 5:11-13

The same is true with any repeated, unrepentant, practice of sin including the disregard of God's view of blood.

I view it a great privilege to be part of an organization that (with all of our individual imperfections) tries to maintain a moral cleanliness that reflects the beautiful standards of the God we worship as outlined in his inspired word the bible.
---scott on 7/31/12

"But to him who DOES NOT WORK..." Marc

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Phil 2:13
---scott on 7/30/12

The Good News according to Marc" and other 'Christian' Zionists:

"Christian Zionism: The Most Virulent and Hatred Driven Heresy"- Dr. Jim West, Adjunct Professor of Biblical Studies:

"Christian Zionists, who speak...about love of Israel...are quicker to malign, misrepresent, and attempt to deceive concerning those with whom they disagree than Satan himself...

...Its best if some...dim Christian zionist tries to interact with you to ignore them and let them wallow in their own cesspool of vile Hagee-esque idiocy. They arent interested in conversation [but] in hearing you say something which they can then demonize you and exalt their own heretical anti-christianity."
---scott on 7/30/12

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Scott, now you play the "proof" game. What would you accept as proof? Do you accept Mark's statement as proof or is he a liar? What about Cliff's experiences? Is he a liar also? Are you surrounded by liars?

As to proof I challenge you to show from WTS literature that having a blood transfusion is not a disfellowshipping offence. Can you do that?

Many of us here have had first-hand experience of the evil of the WTS with its changing rules (e.g. organ translpants once called "cannibalism") with which it destroys the lives of its unfortunate victims. Your deceit, evasion and bluster mean nothing to such witnesses to evil, and no pun intended.

For the likes of you to call me a liar is a compliment.
---Warwick on 7/30/12


So far my English skills have been quite deplorable. What until now I have considered a reasonable ability to understand plain English, you've recently proven otherwise. So, I'll defer to your greater training and ask what does the following ACTUALLY mean:
"[I]f in the future he persists in accepting blood transfusions or in donating blood...he must be cut off therefrom by disfellowshiping." (Watchtower, 15th January 1961, p. 64.)
---Marc on 7/31/12

"We all know..."Warwick

"JW's are... told they have lost their salvation..." Warwick

This is a silly and ridiculous lie. If not, prove your accusation.

"Having a blood transfusion is one dissfellowshipping offence..." (SIC) Warwick

Another lie. Again...prove it.

And yes, please take your time...we'll wait. Since "we all know" this it will be easy to provide proof to back up your claim.
---scott on 7/30/12

"vitriolic misrepresentation" Scott? Not really. I just point out the error of your ways, mate.
To repeat the Watchtower's total distortion of the Gospel: "To get one's name written in that Book of Life will DEPEND upon one's WORKS" (Watchtower, April 1, 1947, p. 204). That is, you, not Christ, must work for your salvation. Scott, it says it in black and white.

Contrast this with Paul's summation of the Gospel: "But to him who DOES NOT WORK but believes on him who justifies the ungodly [that's you and I, Scott], his faith is accounted for righteousness." (Romans 4:5)

Sorry, to say this Scott, but you have no idea of the Gospel - not one bit of it do you understand.
---Marc on 7/30/12

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Scott, when Scripture talks of works it refers to the life of one already saved by Jesus Romans 6:23 "for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ." We all know JW's are disfellowshiped, and told they have lost their salvation, because they failed to follow the dictates of the WTS. Having a blood transfusion is one dissfellowshipping offence, and none of your weasel words change that!

"Noah's ark building was a work of faith, as he was already a believer, Genesis 6:9.

We see your preprepared cut and paste answers but also know what is written elsewhere, (as Marc has shown)and what in reality the vile organization you are a victim of does, thanks to Mark and others.
---Warwick on 7/30/12

"Work" and "salvation"- (1)

The vitriolic misrepresentation(s) aside...

Biblically, "work" as it relates to "salvation" can be illustrated by the example of Noah.

"Noah [did] according to all that God commanded him..." (Gen 6:22) Clearly Noah "worked" to build an ark that was instrumental in saving his life.

"By faith Noah...prepared an ark for the salvation of his household..." (Hebrews 11:7)

But did Noah's "work" earn his salvation? No, Jehovah saved Noah and his family. It was God who shut the door to the ark and protected them. (Gen. 7:16)

---scott on 7/30/12

"Work" and "Salvation"- (2)

With the account of Noah in mind, the scriptures are clear that Christians are to be workers.

"Work...for the food that remains for life everlasting...Son of man will give you." (John 6:27)

"Strive to enter through the narrow door." Luke 13:24

"Man...declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone." Jas. 2:24

"Dead were judged...according to their deeds." Rev 20:12

"[Have] plenty to do in the work of the Lord...your labor is not in vain in connection with the Lord." 1 Cor. 15:58.

"Work at it will receive the due reward." Col. 3:23, 24

---scott on 7/30/12

"Work" and "Salvation"- (3)

Jehovah's Witnesses are unapologetic about being hard workers for the Lord. Jesus said "Go therefore and make disciples..." So they go.

But no Witness believes that they are earning salvation anymore than Noah did his.

The same article that Marc cites (WT 74) says:

"[Titus 1:2]: Upon the basis of a hope of the everlasting life which God, who cannot lie, promised.... It was with that promised gift of life in mind that God gave his only-begotten Son Jesus Christ as a ransom... "

"We do not earn salvation by doing these things, for no human could ever do enough to merit such an astounding blessing." wt 96 2-1 pg 8
---scott on 7/30/12

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Warwick, my sister was a J. Witness, they told her not to take the blood, that she would lose her salvation. Like the doctrine the Catholics have, which they call "mortal sin" that kills grace in the soul and requires renewed justification through the sacrament of penance, more human works. What Scott said was a lie. Their works do merit salvation, otherwise taking the blood would not have hurt her salvation. Just think of how many families have been destroyed by such a believe. No matter how much Scott tries to strip the true Christ of His deity with His answers, they do it because they don't know the real Jesus Christ, theirs is an imposter. If they had the real Jesus Christ, they would know the Truth and it would set them free.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/12


So you are speaking honestly when you claim that "no matter how much we do in Jehovah's service" JWs don't believe works save you? Then why this:
1. "To get one's name written in that Book of Life will depend upon one's WORKS" (Watchtower, April 1, 1947, p. 204)
2. "[Witnesses are] working hard for the reward of eternal life." (Watchtower, August 15, 1972, p. 491)

Surely door-knocking and not having blood transfusions are works.
---Marc on 7/29/12

Mark, you make an excellent point regarding your sister. As she was told she would lose her salvation if she had a blood transfusion the JW doctrine is salvation by our works. As usual Scott was deceitful in his answer to Marc.

We need to remember this is from the cult which once called organ transplants "cannibalism." I wonder how many unfortunate victims of the JW leadership have died, threatened with losing their salvation if they had a life-saving transplant? How do their grieving families feel now that the same leadership decrees organ transplants are fine!
---Warwick on 7/29/12

Some on here think "eternal" or "everlasting" in regards to "aionios" does not mean "eternal" --- on 7/28/12

I do not advocate putting human opinions above the Holy Scriptures, but you do not know the consensus. Greek scholars univerally accept the meaning of aionios as a period of unspecified duration with a beginning and an end.

The word "eternal" is from Latin language. Only the Greek was inspired, not the translations.

Dr Strong himself had to admit as much.
G165 aion ahee-ohn'
properly, an age,

Creeds are toxic. Clinging to them prevents serious study. They are crippling for those who profess them.
---Phil on 7/29/12

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\\To be given eternal life a person must be born again.\\
---Samuelbb7 on 7/28/12

But the question was not about being given eternal life. The question was Who INHERITS Eternal Life.

Having eternal life is forever, and guaranteed to a believer in Christ.

"Inheriting" eternal life, on the other hand, is conditioned on our suffering with Christ (Romans 8:17, Hebrews 2:9-10, 2Timothy 2:10-12, et al)
---James_L on 7/29/12

To be given eternal life a person must be born again.

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/28/12

"The world (the lost) has desires also, but not to know God." Yes, you are quite correct Mark. I did not intend to imply otherwise. Thank you for clarifying that. When I responded to Smitty's question I was under the assumption that he was a believer, or at least considering it. My mistake.
---Josef on 7/29/12

Scott, so what you are saying with your answer that nothing you or other Jehovah Witnesses do merits salvation and that it is all a gift, that my sister died because she didn't take the blood, because the elders told her not to, because she would not be save was a hoax? Is that correct? That Jehovah Witnesses can take the blood after all, since their merits do not save them? Is that correct?
So my sister died for nothing, when she could have taken the blood in order to live. How do you reconcile your believes?
---Mark_V. on 7/29/12

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"An honest answer." Marc

"Do Jehovah's Witnesses think that somehow they are earning salvation by their preaching activity? Not at all! . . . Jesus' sacrifice has opened to us the opportunity for eternal life . . . This is not a reward that we earn. No matter how much we do in Jehovah's service, we can never build up such merit that God will owe us life. Eternal life is the gift God gives . . . by Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom. 6:23, Eph. 2:8-10)

'United in Worship of the Only True God', 1983, Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Publishers.
---scott on 7/28/12

Brother Josef, thank you so much for the passages and explanations concerning the passages. I also wanted to say that the passage is talking about those who are saved, believers only, not unbelievers. The world (the lost) has desires also, but not to know God. But those who are saved have the desire to know all there is to know about God whom they love, that is eternal life. Peace brother.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/12

Some on here think "eternal" or "everlasting" in regards to "aionios" does not mean "eternal" nor that "eternal life" is scriptural.
The Bible begs differ.
Hbr 9:14 ...the eternal Spirit...
Rom 16:26 ...everlasting God...
It is scriptural to equate "eternal" (ainios) with "immortal" (athanasia) or "incorruptible" (apthartos) even though we do not have it, as God does, but we put it on and will have it, as God is.
Eternal, immortal, and incorruptible does not infer "no beginning", but in God's case it does, for we have scripture that tells us.
In our case, it means "without end" as many scriptures show--"eternal life."
---micha9344 on 7/28/12

smitty, i said that there is an innate desire to know origins. different people explore their own origin to different degrees.

but, there is an innate desire from my own kids. i don't make them believe and they ask questions on their own.

i also worked with kids from wrecked homes who have not had any training, and they ask based on their own curiosity.
---aka on 7/28/12

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"If such a belief makes your life better, I have no objection to it on your part." Thanks Smitty, same to you concerning your belief. Yes, a desire to know the Father does make the life He has blessed me with, better. And for that and all things I praise Him.
---josef on 7/27/12

So Scott, do people who have blood transfusions get eternal life? And what about if you decide not to doorknock, forever, does Brooklyn warn you that you'll never receive salvation?

I guess I won't hold my breath waiting for an honest answer.
---Marc on 7/27/12

"Who are the righteous...?" Marc

Psalms 37:11 describes these ones as "meek". Perhaps it's a 'takes one to know one' sort of thing. (Wink, wink).

Or perhaps they are the 'Christian Zionists' who the National Council of Churches opposes "since Jews are seen as mere pawns in an eschatological scheme."

...Or that The Reformed Church in America says is an "extreme form of dispensationalism that undergirds it to be a distortion of the biblical message."

Maybe these are the righteous ones that the Psalmist had in mind.
---scott on 7/27/12


So who are the righteous according to The Watchtower? Those who don't have blood transfusions? Those who knock on doors? And other works-orientated salvation acts?
---Marc on 7/27/12

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Smitty, Josef explained what he said very well to you and if you are a believer you should feel that innate desire to know Him (the Father and His Son). Here again is what he wrote,

"Why do you want eternal life in the first place?" Smitty, The Father has placed within His called and chosen an innate desire to know Him, and Jesus [The] Christ whom He has sent. "This is Life eternal." -John 17:3. Now here are the words of Jesus,

"as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. "And this is eternal life, that they may know You" the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent"
---Mark_V. on 7/27/12

Those who will be saved:
Romans 4:7 they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

How will they be saved:
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
---francis on 7/27/12

Josef, I have not dismissed it as nonsense, I have just dismissed it. If such a belief makes your life better, I have no objection to it on your part.
---Smitty on 7/27/12

aka - There is a difference between curiosity about one's origins and an innate belief in God, don't you think?
---Smitty on 7/27/12

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"A little while, and the wicked will be no more, though you look for them, they will not be found. But the meek will inherit the land and enjoy great peace...the righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever." Ps 37:10, 11, 29 NIV
---scott on 7/27/12

//Josef, there is no evidence that anyone has an innate desire to know God.//

smitty, do you have children? have you worked with orphaned/adopted children and adults?

EVERYBODY wants to know their origins or, at least, the thought of their origins cross their mind. some may reject it, but it is still there.
---aka on 7/27/12

"Josef, there is no evidence that anyone has an innate desire to know God. Who told you that?" The thought came from within, just as yours did. The evidence is in the desire itself. With innate defined as "originating in or arising from the intellect or the constitution of the mind, rather than learned through experience:" But then, to each his reach. You have obviously dismissed the thought as nonsense, and that is ok by me. No harm no foul.
---Josef on 7/27/12

Josef, there is no evidence that anyone has an innate desire to know God. Who told you that? It is only that people have a wish to understand what is not comprehensible to them, and so look for causes in a metaphysical world.
---Smitty on 7/27/12

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those that are last.
---aka on 7/27/12

Well, if you're a Jehovah's Witness then the 144,000 super-dooper JWs, like Russell and Rutherford etc, go to heaven and get to live forever, and then there's the second-class ticket JW who gets to live here on Earth forever. The rest of us, forget it - we become nothing, like we never existed.
---Marc on 7/27/12

Those that have obeyed Acts 2 v 38, & Matt. 24 v 13.
---Lawrence on 7/27/12

Why do you want eternal life in the first place?" Smitty, The Father has placed within His called and chosen an innate desire to know Him, and Jesus [The] Christ whom He has sent. "This is Life eternal." -John 17:3 We want eternal life because we want a never ending relationship with Him. And "as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." -1Cr 2:9
---josef on 7/26/12

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we inherit eternal life by being born again. The bible says call upon the name of the Lord and thou shalt be saved. When God brings conviction to you and you accept then you are saved forever.
---shira4368 on 7/26/12

So, if we already have Jesus growing in us (Galatians 4:19), we already have His eternal life in us.
-willie_c: on 7/25/12

You are on to something, willie_c.
---Phil on 7/25/12

Well, we have that, "God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life," in 1 John 5:11-12. So, if we already have Jesus growing in us (Galatians 4:19), we already have His eternal life in us. Paul says, "Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

So, our hope of having eternal love life with God is because already we have His love growing in us now . . . so we can inherit more later > "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)
---willie_c: on 7/25/12

Derrick_Gooden on 7/24/12

1Ti 5:17 . Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine(teaching).

Paul held those who labored in the Word in high regard. It was his recommendation that the ecclesia see it the same way.

If provoking fellow believers to search the scriptures for truth and the realization of God and His
Son is "complicating" their lives, then I have little to be concerned about at the Dais of Christ.

Rightly dividing the word of truth is required to be qualified before God. I am guilty of this practice.

Seekers of truth are not bothered by such a one as I. Still, I am honored at your concern.
---Phil on 7/25/12

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That's not what election means, Phil. You misuse of it is not scriptural
---James_L on 7/24/12

Isa 42:1 . Behold my servant, whom I uphold, mine elect

1Pt 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father

Ro 9:11..that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,)

Ro 8:30 whom he did predestinate, he also called: he also justified: them he also glorified.

Ro 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Wherein is the misuse? I humbly entreat you to show me.
---Phil on 7/25/12

The rich young ruler asked Jesus this same question. Read Matt 19:16-26 for the answer.

We enter into eternal life by keeping the commandments of God and following the testimony of Jesus. Also see Rev. 14:12 and Rev. 12:17 where Jesus' answer is confirmed.
---barb on 7/24/12

\\Those elect and chosen of God to believe on Him\\
---Phil on 7/24/12

That's not what election means, Phil. You misuse of it is not scriptural
---James_L on 7/24/12

listen do not make complications for the people of God or those who God is drawing to his son Jesus Christ. God says what he means and means what he says period. Understanding the hebrew and greek is very important but let us careful here. jesus told us in john 3:16 who will inherit eternal life. anything taught or preached other than this is a lie and is not true doctrine.
---Derrick_Gooden on 7/24/12

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Phil, that's what they told me while I was employed at the Concordant Publishing Concern.
---Smitty on 7/24/12

The phrase "eternal life" is not scriptural. The word eternal is not a Greek thought, it is Latin in origin. Endlessness life is described in the bible as immortality. There is only One Who has it.

Life that endures through the coming ages (aions Gk) comes through the faith of Jesus Christ, the life-giving Spirit.

Those elect and chosen of God to believe on Him have eonion life, incorruptable lives, during those periods. All others will be judged at the White Throne and remain in the second death, until the consummation of all things, when God becomes All in all.
---Phil on 7/24/12

Only those that are truly saved gets eternal life. When the ressurection occurs both the just & unjust will be judged. the wicked will be destroyed,not allowed into Gods kingdom.Only God makes the final choice,but going along with that those that truly confess Jesus is Lord & he has died & rose again has everlasting life.Again God knows whom in the end are truly his children.
---womandisciple on 7/24/12

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