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The title of our Lord as "Christ Jesus" is used 58 times in the NT. Peter is the only one of the Twelve apostles that used it. It is used by Paul 55 times. Why is that?

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congratulations scott!
---aka on 8/4/12


Take your time and enjoy..

congratulations...
---Ruben on 8/4/12


Thank you. I really appreciate it. (Posted this earlier but it didn't pop-up).
---scott on 8/10/12


MarkV, don't think you're excluded from God's judgment. 'Work out your own salvation' not others- Phil.2:12.

I merely point out where you spoke error. Not only do you insist 'atonement' does not appear in the Bible as in your post 8/8/12, but you attempt to destroy the meaning of 'atonement' using the pagan trinity doctrine which is precisely the very teaching you erroneous claim is not in the Bible. Why else do you continue to insist 'atonement' is not in the Bible if its not to support the trinity dogma?

It can only mean that, like the trinity doctrine, you teach antichrist, anti-atonement philosophy. Have you not heard of 'Atonement Day'? Do you not know why Atonement Day was so important and what it pointed to?
---David8318 on 8/10/12


"When Jesus says blasphemy against "the Holy Spirit" will never be forgiven He is saying the Holy Spirit is God." Warwick

Then is the Apostle Paul God because he was blasphemed?

"And when they opposed themselves and blasphemed [reviled him, RSV, Gk blasphemeo], he shook out his raiment and said unto them, Your blood [be] upon your own heads, I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles." Acts 18:6 ASV

"And why not say (as we are slanderously [blasphemeo] reported and as some claim that we say), "Let us do evil that good may come"? Their condemnation is just." Romans 3:8

See also Rom 14:16, 1 cor 10:30, etc.
---scott on 8/10/12


"All the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily."-Colossians 2:9

"Might be the WTS refuse to talk to the followers or skip this verse for many reasons." Ruben

Rather than skip any verses I encourage you to read the very next verse:

"and by your [Christians] union with him, you also are filled with it." Colossians 2:10, The Twentieth Century New Testament

"and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority." NIV

Does this mean that Christians are God or Christ in bodily form?
---scott on 8/10/12


Phil, the Trinity is not concealed, it is there in Scripture for all to see.

Colossians 1:16 establishes Jesus is Creator God of everything.

The Holman Bible Dictionary says "In the Biblical context blasphemy is an attitude of disrespect that finds expression in an act directed against the character of God." And "blasphemy involves the actual pronunciation of the name of God along with an attitude of disrespect." And "Leviticus 24:14-16 guides the Hebrew definition of blasphemy.

When Jesus says blasphemy against "the Holy Spirit" will never be forgiven He is saying the Holy Spirit is God.
---Warwick on 8/9/12




David83, I am not been mean at all. Anyone who teaches against the essentials of the Christian faith is called a heretic. Look up what it means. I might be a heretic to you because I refuse to teach what you do. You are here for one purpose only, to disprove that Jesus Christ is Man and God. You think if you defend your denomination it will get you into the Kingdom of God. let me say also that at the Great White Throne of Judgment, no one from the Jehovah witnesses or Mormons, will be there to help you, they will need someone to help them. That is how serious this matter is.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/12


Rubens ridiculous attempt to twist Colossians 2:9 hardly deserves an answer, but for the sake of those reading his posts, of course the New World Translation does not have 2 God's at this verse.

Colossians 2:9 refer to 'qualities' of God dwelling in Christ, not that God dwells inside Christ. Col.2:3 states, 'Carefully concealed in him (Jesus) are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge'- no doubt received from his Father, Jehovah.

Being truly 'divinity', does not make Jesus as the Son of God co-equal and co-eternal with the Father, any more than the fact that all humans share 'humanity' makes them co-equal or all the same age.
---David8318 on 8/9/12


Being called a heretic by MarkV is similar to receiving defamatory insults from a condemned criminal. Afterall, MarkV has demonstrated brilliantly how he continues to deny the central teaching of the Bible by insisting 'atonement' does not appear in the Bible. MarkV's ignorance knows no bounds!

As MarkV wants to remove the word 'atonement' and its meaning from God's word and replace it with his beloved RCC inspired pagan-Egyptian trinity doctrine, he'd better check out Rev.22:18,19. Anyone who takes anything away from the word of God will not partake of "the trees of life". MarkV takes away 'atonement' and replaces it with 'trinity'. You judge yourself MarkV.
---David8318 on 8/9/12


Phil, you were right when you said,

"It is foolish to assume God needs us to talk for Him. If it's not revealed, it is concealed by God. No one knows."

I wanted to say that to you when you said the Israelites were going to rule the Gentiles in the future. But I was kind enough to show you and explain to you with Scripture, that the Jews and the Gentiles who put their faith in Christ become one. But you insisted, as if speaking for God. Maybe because He forgot something you had to add. But I didn't say it to you. I do have respect to you even if I don't agree with some of your statements. The atonement and the Trinity are explained through Scripture if you studied Christology you would know.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/12


Thankfully, despite Catholic Ruben's delusions of grandeur, the Bible's canon was established long before the Catholic church shuffled onto the World scene.

---David8318 on 8/9/12

Maybe David could be so kind and let us know When, Where and How the Bible was put together.
---Ruben on 8/9/12




Phil, the word 'Trinity' is not found in the Bible, it nevertheless is explained through Scripture...The word "atonement" is not found neither, but we know what it means....And you Phil, do not believe He is God. The I Am.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/12

It is foolish to assume God needs us to talk for Him.

If it's not revealed, it is concealed by God. No one knows.

Trinity is not revealed, it is inferred by theologians and dupes.

You have believed things that God has not revealed, and it will render you imbalanced.

You malign me. I believe the Logos is Christ, and Deity to us.

I have said that before. You are unjust and untrue.
---Phil on 8/9/12


Jesus is already God.
---David8318 on 8/8/12

JWS and Davis teach there is 'ONLY' one God, but as mention already the NWT shows two Gods:

" all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily."-Colossians 2:9

Might be the WTS refuse to talk to the followers or skip this verse for many reasons.

David I would ask them if I was you :

1) Pauls about Jesus " All the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily"

2) Could someone who has 'All' of the qualities of God could he be fully divine ?

3) Someone who has all of the qualities of God, does it mean he is God?

4) Then I would ask them our own bible clearly states that Jesus is completely divine and all God.
---Ruben on 8/9/12


'this... defunct, immoral and decrepit religious movement gave us... the books of the bible'- Ruben.

This defunct, immoral false religious organisation is of course the RCC. We should all be reminded that at the RCC Council of Trent held in the 16th Century, the RCC included apocryphal books. Need only consider the Catholic Jerusalem Bible for confirmation of this. This same RCC Council also disregarded the words of Paul.

Thankfully, despite Catholic Ruben's delusions of grandeur, the Bible's canon was established long before the Catholic church shuffled onto the World scene.

With regard to Sunday, it can always be relied upon the RCC to insist on using pagan names and beliefs.
---David8318 on 8/9/12


David83, I do not deny the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Only that the word atonement is not found in Scripture. That was in response to Phil who said atonement was not Scriptural. I know that Christ atoned for our sins. That is not the purpose for my answers. I also don't speak for Ruben, he has many RCC answers include with his answers. But I know that his belief in the trinity comes from the RCC, but mine doesn't. It comes from studying Christology. And I know that the only Person that could save us had to be God and Man, and that Person is Jesus Christ. And nothing you say will change that. Your here for one reason only, to try to strip the Divine nature of the Lord before the world. You will be held responsible for your own actions.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/12


Rubens failure to understand why Jesus' priestly service is compared to Melchizadek's is obviously due to the trinity dogma (Heb.7:3). The same reason why MarkV cannot see 'atonement' in the Bible.

Probably will come as a surprise to Ruben but the High Priest's Atonement Day services prefigured or 'shadowed' Jesus Christ's sacrifice? Do trinitarians not understand this!? (Heb.8:4-6 & 10:1) But of course the trinity blinds ones to this central Christian teaching- 2 Cor.4:4.

Ruben views Heb.7:3 through the distorted lens of the pagan trinity dogma. He can't read all the verse, particularly the end bit where it refers to Melchizadek's priestly service. There is the comparison- not how old or how long he lived.
---David8318 on 8/8/12


By the way, I don't view 'Should you believe in the Trinity' booklet as the central basis for my faith as trinitarians do the RCC Catechism.

Because the Catholic church is the church Jesus said he will built his Church on.

David8318 * For me, my understanding of truth is from the Bible.

How??? From your own Bible teaches Jehova and Jesus has the same divine ability and power, Jesus is not Arch Angel Michael and the HS is a person..
---Ruben on 8/8/12


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'Clearly the understanding of the Trinity is lost in you!'- Thankfully I never had the pagan trinity to lose it. I have the truth in me.

Rubens memory is as bad as his pagan belief's. Ruben says, 'I never quote Heb 7:24-25:)'

Rubens post 8/6/12- "David8318 * Ruben thus believes God (in the form of Jesus) is a priest of God, pleading our cause before God.

Hebrews 7:24-25:
but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. Consequently he is able for all time to save those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. "

Clearly, Ruben is unable to reason how Jesus can be an 'intercessor' between man and God when he believes Jesus is already God.
---David8318 on 8/8/12


David83, I didn't expect any less coming from a heretic. The same words all heretics have to answer with. I'm not here to convince you, nor to change what you believe. Whatever you are destine for is out of my hands. I don't run your life, or study for you, or have to answer for you, in the end, you will be responsible for your own actions. I only put out the Truth, and God alone does whatsoever He was prepared to do with it. So your opinions mean nothing to me. You want to keep trying to discredit the Lord in front of the whole world, it will be to your own doing. Go ahead and be proud to be a Jehovah Witness or a Mormon, you will see what they will do for you at judgment day.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/12


MarkV and Ruben demonstrate brilliantly how the pagan trinity destroys the value of Jesus Christ's atonement sacrifice and his priesthood.

The pagan trinity blinds MarkV to 'atonement' so much that he cannot see it in the Bible! Atonement is non-existent according to MarkV obviously because the concept of 'atonement' is alien to the pagan trinity. How can Jesus provide 'atonement' if he is already the one requiring it!?

Similarly, the pagan trinity blinds Ruben to the real meaning behind why Jesus is compared to the priest Melchizadek at Hebrews 7. Obviously, trinitarians cannot grasp how Jesus is our High Priest before God forever.

Satan certainly uses the pagan trinity to 'blind the minds of unbelievers'- 2 Cor.4:4.
---David8318 on 8/8/12


MarkV integrity as a Bible student is questionable when commenting on the absence of the word trinity he states, 'The word "atonement" is not found neither'.

Obviously MarkV fails to understand 'atonement' because it cannot exist when he believes the false trinity dogma. Its clear MarkV has been blinded to the fact that 'atonement' is a central teaching of the scriptures- blinded by the trinity dogma!

'Atonement': Exodus 29:33,36, 30:6, (occurrences are endless in NIV!)

MarkV and craigA have certainly got their theology upside down. The word and concept of trinity is not in the Bible, however 'atonement' certainly is! Like Ruben, trinitarians fail to understand Christ's atonement sacrifice and priestly office.
---David8318 on 8/8/12


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Ruben- not that it makes much difference to you, but for the sake of a reply, I have been studying the NWT and other translations for over 35years. The booklet 'Should you believe in the Trinity' I can assure you was not in print when I began studying the Bible.

And yes, simply by reading not just the NWT but other translations, it became abundantly clear teachings such as trinity, hellfire and immortal soul are false teachings, antichrist and stem from apostate organisations of which you have already identified.

By the way, I don't view 'Should you believe in the Trinity' booklet as the central basis for my faith as trinitarians do the RCC Catechism. For me, my understanding of truth is from the Bible.
---David8318 on 8/8/12


Ruben then used the RCC to explain the doctrine of the trinity for him, which in part says, 'but each of them (Father/Son/HS) is God whole and entire [who are] by nature one God'.

God cannot be priest to himself. Such a trinitarian falsehood destroys the meaning of 'priest' and the priestly role of Jesus.So I ask again. How if all 3 are 'God whole and entire and by nature one God', how is it God can be priest to himself?
---David8318 on 8/8/12

David,

Clearly the understanding of the Trinity is lost in you!

God the Son (Jesus) the second person of the Trinity is the High Priest forever. I never quote Heb 7:24-25:)
---Ruben on 8/8/12


I asked Ruben- 'How can God be a priest to himself?'

Rubens simple reply- 'Clearly here (he?) does not understand the doctrine of the Trinity'.

Ruben then used the RCC to explain the doctrine of the trinity for him, which in part says, 'but each of them (Father/Son/HS) is God whole and entire [who are] by nature one God'.

God cannot be priest to himself. Such a trinitarian falsehood destroys the meaning of 'priest' and the priestly role of Jesus.

Ruben- your quote Heb.7:24-25, note 'intercession', def: Entreaty in favor of another, especially a prayer or petition to God in behalf of another.

So I ask again. How if all 3 are 'God whole and entire and by nature one God', how is it God can be priest to himself?
---David8318 on 8/8/12


David8318 * According to Ruben, Heb.7:3 "and has neither beginning of days nor end of life" must be literally applied to "(Melchizedek)".

Scripture says that not me, But if David believes Melchizedek had a beginning and an end, then who does this apply to you? I know, Jesus of course, since Melchizedek is a type(shadow or figure).

David8318* Ruben's bizarre belief is that the man and priest Melchizadek never had a beginning or end of life.

What's bizarre is, that scripture is in his Bible and his Watchtower refuse to explain it!
---Ruben on 8/8/12


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David8318 * trinity can only be explained by the un-inspired writings of a defunct, immoral and decrepit religious movement such as the RCC.

And this un-inspired writings of a defunct, immoral and decrepit religious movement gave us Sunday the new day to worship and gave us the books of the bible.


David8318 * Ruben, What you really mean is that you are unable in your own mind to explain the trinity scripturally, so you have to rely on the writings of the Catholic church!

And David wants us to believe at a reasonable age he pickup the NWT bible and on his own knew there was no such thing as a Trinity the booklet of the WTS 'Should you believe in the Trinity' had no bearing on his decesion, get real!
---Ruben on 8/8/12


One of the most important essentials of the Christian faith is that Jesus Christ is ....God
---CraigA on 8/8/12


Phil, the word 'Trinity' is not found in the Bible, it nevertheless is explained through Scripture. The canon is explained by Scripture, while the Assumption of Mary is not. The word "atonement" is not found neither, but we know what it means. Because you do not see them, does not mean they are not a part of the Bible. Jesus said,
"If you believed Moses you would believe Me, For he wrote about Me. But if you don't believe his writings, how will you believe My words?" That is canon. He also said,
"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sin, "for if you do not believe that "I Am (He) you will die in your sins" (John 8:24). And you Phil, do not believe He is God. The I Am.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/12


David8318 on 8/6/12 to ruben.

Caustic, but sound. I like that.

Tradition is the transmission of precepts and ordinances. It is based upon the revealed word of God.

1)Teaching of the Trinity.
2)Bible canon
3) The Assumption of Mary.

None of these can be found in the Sacred Writiings.

They are not of God. They are spawned of nefarious authors.
---Phil on 8/7/12


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Part 2: If by now you don't know the eternal begotten Son of God, you are out of the loop, our of luck, and remember, we don't believe in luck. But if the Spirit reveals Him to you, it is because He decided to do so, not because anyone here convince any of you.
Jesus Christ is eternal, Omnipresent, Omniscient, Omnipotent, Immutable,
"For in Him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily" (Col. 2:9) RSV.
---Mark_V. on 8/7/12


David8318* No where in Colossians 2:8,9 are 2 God's referred to. Such a notion would be hard to prove using any translation. I don't believe Paul taught polytheism neither does the NWT.

David knows the JWs teach that Jesus is a created being,yet their bible gives Jesus ability and power to that of Almighty
God, Jehovah. "because it is in him that all the
fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.-Colossians 2:8, 9--BTW to combine divine ability to a created being is consider blasphemous!
---Ruben on 8/7/12


One of the most important essentials of the Christian faith is that Jesus Christ is the incarnated eternal Son of God. And one of the area's where heretics normally attack is His Human nature when He came in the flesh. Heretics always point to His human nature, by completely ignoring His Divine nature. why? Because they just don't believe He is eternal. Can anyone convince them? No. Explanation are never enough, such a God cannot be found out by searching. He can be known only as He is revealed to the heart by the Holy Spirit through the Word. And such a God can only be know by those to whom He makes Himself known.
---Mark_V. on 8/7/12


Ruben has seriously lost the plot. Where in Colossians 2:8,9 is polytheism taught? For sure this is Ruben grasping at straws.

No where in Colossians 2:8,9 are 2 God's referred to. Such a notion would be hard to prove using any translation. I don't believe Paul taught polytheism neither does the NWT.

According to Ruben, Heb.7:3 "and has neither beginning of days nor end of life" must be literally applied to "(Melchizedek)".

Ruben's bizarre belief is that the man and priest Melchizadek never had a beginning or end of life. Maybe Ruben believes Melchizadek is another incarnation of a God he eagerly wants to add to his pantheon of God's he already worships!
---David8318 on 8/6/12


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My question to Ruben- 'Does Ruben understand the trinity?

Ruben's answer- 'Yes' but he's got to quote 'The Catechism of the Catholic Church' to describe the dogma of the Holy Trinity.

You carry on quoting the Catechisms of the Catholic Church. Show us all Ruben how the trinity can only be explained by the un-inspired writings of a defunct, immoral and decrepit religious movement such as the RCC.

Honestly Ruben, is that the best you can do!? What you really mean is that you are unable in your own mind to explain the trinity scripturally, so you have to rely on the writings of the Catholic church! Nothing of what you quote from the Catechism appears in the Bible. The trinity is in the right place... within false religion.
---David8318 on 8/6/12


Phil* Mk 7:13

Yes,Jesus condemns human traditions that void God's word. But St Paul tells us:

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." ( 2 Thess 2:15) Do you know which Traditions Paul was talking about? I will tell you:

1)Teaching of the Trinity.
2)Bible canon
3) The Assumption of Mary.
4) Knowing the Gospel of Matthew was written by Matthew.etc..etc..


Phil* The creeds of the sects have damaged truth beyond recognition.

No the creed of Bible Alone did the damaged.
---Ruben on 8/6/12


"In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215)" Ruben on 8/6/12

Holy Trinity...one God in three persons ...consubstantial Trinity...divine persons...God whole and entire...The Father is that which the Son...Each of the persons is that supreme reality


Mk 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The creeds of the sects have damaged truth beyond recognition.

If and when God chooses to render His light where the stubbornness of men prevail, the heavens shout for joy at the manifestation of the sons of God.
---Phil on 8/6/12


I agree with Paul who said even though 'there are many 'gods' and many 'lords'', there is but 'one God... and one Lord, Jesus Christ'- 1Cor.8:5,6. According to your reasoning James, Paul is also a polytheist!?
---David8318 on 8/6/12

NWT:

according to the tradition of men, according to the
elementary things of the world and not according to Christ, because it is in him that all the
fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.-Colossians 2:8, 9

According to your bible Paul is also a polytheist!
---Ruben on 8/6/12


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Does anybody!? Does Ruben understand the trinity?

---David8318 on 8/4/12

Yes:

The Catechism of the Catholic Church describes the dogma of the Holy Trinity as follows in
paragraph 253:

The Trinity is one. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the
consubstantial Trinity. The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves
but each of them is God whole and entire: The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that
which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e., by nature one
God. In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215): Each of the persons is that
supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature.
---Ruben on 8/6/12


David8318* How can God be a priest to himself?

Clearly here does not understand the doctrine of the Trinity!

David8318 * Ruben thus believes God (in the form of Jesus) is a priest of God, pleading our cause before God.

Hebrews 7:24-25:
but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. Consequently he is able for all time to save those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. "


David8318* Reasons why Jesus is compared with Melchizadek is because both were men, who had a beginning

Really:

"and has neither beginning of days nor end of life" (Melchizedek)

"In the beginning was " (Jesus)
---Ruben on 8/6/12


congratulations scott!
---aka on 8/4/12


"The question goes back to you!" Ruben

Hi Ruben, sorry for the long delay in responding to your comment(s). We are currently celebrating a new addition to our family! I'll be back in touch soon.

Kind Regards,
scott
---scott on 8/3/12

scott,

Take your time and enjoy..

congratulations...
---Ruben on 8/4/12


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"The question goes back to you!" Ruben

Hi Ruben, sorry for the long delay in responding to your comment(s). We are currently celebrating a new addition to our family! I'll be back in touch soon.

Kind Regards,
scott
---scott on 8/3/12


Seriously, Scott, yes - God is in plural so the Father, Son and Spirit were in society together from the very beginning

Nothing is done without all Three agreeing - Let Us make man in Our likeness, for instance
---Fleur on 8/3/12


Scott,

Speaking of Almighty God, I notice in page 196 of the Bible Teach book it makes a point that one cannot have intimacy with God without using a name.But looking though the NWT apart of a few OT quotations, I counted only 3 places where he(Jesus) mentions Jehovah, however when he did pray it was "Father" and "God" (LK 22:42)(MT 27:46) not one prayer to Jehova in the NWT. I don't know about you but when I talk to my parents I will say 'Dad' or 'Mom' using their name is not Intimacy in a family setting. Actually there is a name use quiet often..the name of Jesus and the NT writers had no hestation using the name Jehovah in the OT and applying to Jesus!
---Ruben on 8/3/12


Does the Almighty God have a God?

Fair question no?
---scott on 7/31/12

Fair enough:

The Catechism of the Catholic Church describes the dogma of the Holy Trinity as follows in
paragraph 253:

The Trinity is one. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons..


And: You at [the] beginning, O Lord, laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens
are [the] work of your hands.-Hebrews 1:10( New World Translation)

Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth itself, And the heavens are the work of
your hands." -Psalms 102:25, 26 New World Translation

The question goes back to you!

Does the Almighty God have a God?
---Ruben on 8/1/12


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Remember Jesus said "my Father and your Father, my God and your God," not "our God",as we do. As Creator God of everything ever created (Colossians 1:16) He alone can express such unique oneness with the Father. After all He told Philip "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." Is Jesus claiming to be the Father? Not at all but that He is "the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven" Hebrews 1:3

The Son is therefore Creator, exact visible representation of God, He who sustains all things by His own power.
---Warwick on 7/31/12


\\Seriously...does God have a God?
---scott on 7/30/12\\

The Son is referring to the Father, as any instructed Christian knows.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/31/12


Reuben,
Happy to address your point but first...

Does the Almighty God have a God?

Fair question no?
---scott on 7/31/12


Seriously...does God have a God?
---scott on 7/30/

But with reference to the Son: .. And: You at [the] beginning, O Lord, laid the foundations of the earth itself,
and the heavens are [the] works of your hands. 11 They themselves will perish, but you
yourself are to remain continually,...-Hebrews 1:8-12 (NWT)


Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth itself, And the heavens are the work of
your hands. They themselves will perish, but you yourself will keep standing, And just like
a garment they will all of them wear out..." -Psalms 102:25, 26 (New World Translation)

Side note:

Jesus and God the Father are different persons but they are
equal in nature as Almighty God!
---Ruben on 7/31/12


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Scott asks un"Seriously", "does God have a God?"

Ironically, Scott, JWs, just like the Mormons, have a god having another god. That is, JWs are, by their own admitted theology, polytheists.

Hey Scott, how come you won't address my argument which definitively proves that Jesus is the Good Shepherd, and thus, according to the Scriptures I quoted, is YHWH? Why? Because you'd prefer to throw a red herring to [try] to draw people's attention away. What I previously posted destroys your imposter "god". No direct address means I win. Too bad Scott.
---Marc on 7/30/12


"Jesus is YHWH"- Marc

If Jesus is Jehovah then who is the one that Jesus called 'his God'?

"The one who conquers, I [Jesus] will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name." Rev 3:12

(Written/spoken after his death and resurrection to heaven).


Seriously...does God have a God?
---scott on 7/30/12


"Paul never new the Lord Jesus while He was on earth. He had likely heard of Him, but had no dealings with Him." I think it is more than likely, since just prior to Damascus "Saul was consenting unto his death."acts 8:1, meaning the stoning of Stephen and the testimony he gave concerning Jesus.and, Acts 9 "Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem."
---Chria9396 on 7/30/12


YHWH meets man above the mercy seat, between the 2 cherubim. (Exodus 25:22)

YHWH dwells between the cherubim. (Psalm 99:1)

The shepherd of Israel ALSO dwells between the cherubim. (Psalm 80:1)

The shepherd is YHWH. (Ezekiel 34:1,2)

Therefore the Shepherd of Israel is YHWH.

Jesus declares himself to be that "Good Shepherd". (John 10:11)

Jesus says no one is good except YHWH.

Finally, Jesus met man, at his death and resurrection, between the 2 cherubim at the mercy seat. (John 20:12)

Jesus is YHWH.
---Marc on 7/29/12


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//It can also be Out Christ, or The Thrist, Jesus ---francis on 7/27/12

Whitean slip.
---aka on 7/29/12


Our Apostle, Paul, never new the Lord Jesus while He was on earth. He had likely heard of Him, but had no dealings with Him.

That all changed when on the road to Damascus, where the risen and glorified Christ met him face to face. It destroyed his eyesight for days.

Paul knew Jesus as the Christ out of heaven, God's glorified Son. None of the twelve apostles in Jerusalem had known Him that way. They had known Him after the flesh.

2C 5:16 . Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we [him] no more.

Israel's saints still await the King's return to earth.

We await being changed into His image in clouds.
---Phil on 7/29/12


Phil, I suspect because the New Testament was authored in the Septuagint for which Joshua is known as Jesus (Greek). Among the Jews, Christ was simply known as Joshua of Nazareth.
---Larry on 7/29/12


---Mark_V. on 7/29/12

you are funny
---francis on 7/29/12


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francis, I never see anything funny when it concerns the Lord Jesus Christ name. Maybe you are having fun with His name, I really don't know your heart. You could be taking those words you used from some book you read, I cannot read your mind only what you write. I answered to what you had written. He is the Christ. Our Christ to believers only. Unbelievers do not know the "annointed One."
---Mark_V. on 7/29/12


"It can also be Out Christ, or The Thrist, Jesus"
those names are never mention in God's Word.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/12

LOL LOL U R 2 4 knee.
You did not realize that this was a Tie PO:

OUR Christ, or The Christ, Jesus

LOL thanks for the laff
---francis on 7/28/12


Maybe Bar Yehosef, since they spoke Aramaic.
---Smitty on 7/28/12


Surnames
---Trade
Hebrew: Yehoshua Etscharash
Greek: Iesous Tekton
English: Jesus Carpenter
---Adopted lineage:
Hebrew: Yehoshua Benyehosaf
Greek: Iesous Iosephuios
English: Jesus Josephson
---Earthly lineage:
Hebrew: Yehoshua Bendavid
Greek: Iesous Dabiduios
English: Jesus Davidson
---Heavenly lineage:
Hebrew: Yehoshua Benelah
Greek: Iesous Theosuios
English: Jesus Godson
Although Mat 1:1, Mar 1:1, Jhn 1:17 (+others) seem to use Iesous Xristos as a full name.
By what name do you know him?
What name do you proclaim?
Acts 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Kurios-Lord-title
Iesous Xristos-Jesus Christ-name
---micha9344 on 7/28/12


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francis, you are correct that Christ is not the last name of Jesus. But you are wrong when you say:

"It can also be Out Christ, or The Thrist, Jesus"
those names are never mention in God's Word. The name Christ is given to Him by the writers because Christ identifies the name Jesus as the "(annointed One)" or the "(Messiah)." The name Jesus was given to Him when the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream,
"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shall call His name Jesus, for it is He that shall save His people from their sins" (Matt. 1:21).
---Mark_V. on 7/28/12


Christ means "anointed"
Jesus' last name was Ben Joseph!
---1st_cliff on 7/28/12


\\"Christ Jesus" is used 58 times in the NT. Peter is the only one of the Twelve apostles that used it.\\


It was actually used about 80 times. The equivalent "Jesus Christ" was used about another 130 times.

It should be apparent that they are interchangable because Paul used both.

As for the twelve using it, Matthew 1:18, John 1:17, 1Peter 1:1, 1John 1:3

Every NT writer used the phrase
---James_L on 7/28/12


we all should know by now that Christ is not the last name , surname, family name of Jesus... It truely is not Jesus Christ as if it was his first and last name. ---francis on 7/27/12

Wait. What? Christ isn't Jesus' last name? What was Jesus' last name then?
---Jed on 7/27/12


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we all should know by now that Christ is not the last name , surname, family name of Jesus

Christ is his title
SO it truely is not Jesus Christ as if it was his first and last name. It is Jesus, the or our Christ.

It can also be Out Christ, or The Thrist, Jesus
---francis on 7/27/12


President Barak Obama
Barak Obama, president
---francis on 7/26/12

This your life lord?
Your saviour in this world.
Keeper and defender of your country's moral standards?
---Trav on 7/27/12

No, but you may but the title before the name our christ, jesus, or the name before the title, jesus our Christ.

I have heard this aruemenmt before about christ Jesus, and Jesus Christ. It has even been made to be a salvation issue
---francis on 7/27/12


Some people are more easily offended than others. It's a very subjective thing.
---Smitty on 7/27/12


President Barak Obama
Barak Obama, president
---francis on 7/26/12

This your life lord?
Your saviour in this world.
Keeper and defender of your country's moral standards?

I'm sure you are just concerned about your children and grandchildren and want this poser to show them the proper way to live? His special interest groups will testify for you before the Lord. They most surely will be able to explain their defiant support also.
Hmmmmm
---Trav on 7/27/12


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Phil, I find your remarks... very offensive
Mark_V. on 7/26/12

I apologize Mark_v, I strive to not offend. Personal insults and slanders do nothing to futher the Truth of God. If I did that, I am unaware.

The manifestation of the sons of God during this close of Man's Day is being wrought by Holy Spirit. We battle unseen wicked forces in the celestial realm.

Heresies and factions will be annulled. What is made manifest is light. The hearts and intents will be revealed, and fire will test each one's work.

Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord [is].
---Phil on 7/27/12


President Barak Obama
Barak Obama, president
---francis on 7/26/12


Peter was the only one of the twelve Apostles that recognized that YAHUSHUA was the long-awaited Promised Messiah. The rest learned later, but, Peter was recorded as being the first.
---Gordon on 7/26/12


Phil, I find your remarks and also Scott's as very offensive to all those you put your questions to concerning the Person of Jesus Christ. You expect others to answer you when all you do is throw passages without context. Not one at a time but many. Then expect others to answer you clearly, when to explain one context takes time and more space then just putting the passage down by itself. We know no answer will suffice since you will throw more passages to confuse the Humanity and divinity of Jesus Christ. If you only had a question about something for the purpose of learning, you would ask so that others could answer you. This 55 times and 58 times, and why one more then the other is foolishness unless you have an agenda behind it.
---Mark_V. on 7/26/12


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Jesus Christ was used before the CROSS.

Christ Jesus was used after the CROSS.
---Rob on 7/26/12


I read an interesting article on this once. A scholar whose name I cannot remmeber suggested that before Christs ascension He is referred to as "Jesus Christ" to emphasize his human side. After his ascension He is "Christ Jesus" to emphasize his return to full glory as our God and Creator.
---CraigA on 7/25/12


Perhaps the question is too difficult to respond to in a humble and intelligent manner.
---Phil on 7/25/12
No it's a rather useless question as both Peter asn paul uses it, does it matter how many times? NO

Does every writer have to use it? NO
---francis on 7/25/12


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