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Red Tongued Covered Demon

I was praying for help with my Christianity and for help for friends and then the next thing I know, I saw darkness with only a large red tongue covered in and dripping blood. After it disappeared I said Satan get behind me in the name of Christ. Please help me understand this.

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For Lyndol, anyone else, Bro.Mark correct/ for me I believe in JESUS & where ever I live I have prayer of JESUS protection, you never know others belief/ folks dealing in.astrology, dark arts,false gods/ religions of devils..so, you got stay in your bible.I took Chemo but I stay in the bible/ forget? Read it again. Be very strict Learn Plead the blood of JESUS! Learn to pray for yourself Say cover Me with.the blood of JESUS! Believe.it...it works! Amen
---ELENA on 11/14/12


Oh, good point MarkV!
---pat on 11/14/12


Lyndol, you said,
"you were praying and then said, I saw darkness with only a large red tongue covered in and dripping blood." This was in your mind right? you didn't physically see it right? Don't you think it was only your imagination creating thoughts in your mind? You said satan get behind me, and didn't even know what that meant. For all you know, he could be right behind you.
Those words were quotes of Jesus. He is God, who can see the enemy, and the influence he puts on others. First of all there is only one satan, and he is not omnipresent, everywhere at the same time. So in order to know he is present, you have to see him, and I don't think anyone has seen him, he is spirit.
---Mark_V. on 11/14/12


It's sick, I can say that much. It was probably your imagination. But, lets be fair. Demons can attack in strange ways. On the other-hand, satan don't really want anyone to know that he exists. So, it may not be demonic. I know, there are devil worshipers claims such goings ons. Best I can do. And that's it.
---pat on 11/13/12


Part 2:

Bp. St. Ignatius Brianchaninov knew the famous Optina elders personally, yet he still said, "Eldership is not given to our time."

On this subject, he wrote, "Faith in truth is what saves. Faith in an error will lead to destruction."

And as our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ said, "If the blind lead the blind, they both fall into the ditch."

Let the reader understand.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/12




There is a figure in Orthodoxy called the elder (startez in Slavic languages) who is a monk with long experience in the spiritual life has been given the gift from God of great discernment. (A nun may also be given such a gift. The feminine is startiza. BTW, don't confuse these words with Tsar and Tsartiza.)

Unfortunately, I've seen too many wannabee elders with delusions of adequacy. They are truly control freaks.

A true elder will not believe he is one.

More to come later.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/12


Cluny: I never said you weren't a true Christian. My exact words were, "So, either you are not a real Christian, OR, you have never participated in a good Bible study, nor been discipled." That simply means if you are a Christian, which I did not say you weren't, it's possible you haven't been involved in a good Bible study, the kind I described with daily homework. Nor have you been truly discipled. You had indicated previously that the studies you had attended were led by controlling people, or something to that effect.
---Trish on 8/4/12


\\Don't be so critical when people encourage Bible study and discipleship.
---Trish on 8/3/12\\

Only if you are not so quick to say that people who disagree with you are "not true Christians," as you did with me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/12


Cluny: I am a work in progress, and have yet to reach perfection. Have you? This whole discussion began because of your criticism of my original reply to the question. Don't be so critical when people encourage Bible study and discipleship.
---Trish on 8/3/12


\\I started displaying the Fruit of the Spirit: Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Goodness, Kindness, etc."
---Trish on 8/2/12\\

And you're humble, too, right?

That is arguable, considering your postings to me or other people who question what you say.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/12




Cluny: I never said anything about the quality of the sermons at your church. I'm sure you heard a Scriptural sermon. I said the QUANTITY of Scripture studied on a Sunday only does not compare to the quantity of Scripture studied on Sunday PLUS the other six days of the week.

As for discipleship, I knew I was being discipled Biblically because I studied the Word, and it agreed with my discipler. Also, I became more obedient to the Lord, and changed the way I acted in so many ways. I started displaying the Fruit of the Spirit: Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Goodness, Kindness, etc."
---Trish on 8/2/12


\\ I know that any Christian who has been in a good Bible study would NEVER discourage another Christian from encouraging someone to go to one.\\

BTW, Trish, please show me ONE place on this blog where I have discouraged anyone from attending a Bible study.

But I admit I have asked you why you offer it as a universal solution to everyone's problems.

Can you tell the difference?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/12


\\Cluny: I've never claimed to know you.\\

Then you have NO idea about what I hear in a sermon in an Orthodox Church, do you, hence you're in no position to say what I've heard there.

\\ So, either you are not a real Christian, OR, you have never participated in a good Bible study, nor been discipled.
---Trish on 8/1/12\\

And where did you get the idea that YOU have been do a good Bible study or have been proper discipled?

What standard to you have to judge them?

Maybe YOU are the one who is not a real Christian. (See how it sounds?)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/12


Cluny: I've never claimed to know you. I know that any Christian who has been in a good Bible study would NEVER discourage another Christian from encouraging someone to go to one. Same goes for disciple/mentorship. So, either you are not a real Christian, OR, you have never participated in a good Bible study, nor been discipled.
---Trish on 8/1/12


Cluny: You have never been to a good Bible study then. At the church I attend, which is an independent Evangelical church, we have solid Bible teaching on Sunday, where Pastor preaches from his Bible. During the week, there are two women's Bible studies, where we meet weekly, and follow a Bible study written by certain Godly women who have studied the Bible at seminary. We do homework everyday between meetings, and meet to discuss it. The Bible study leaders are not control freaks.
---Trish on 8/1/12


\\The Eastern Orthodox faith has many traditions not found in the word of God. \\

Name one. (As if you don't follow your own man-made traditions.)

**Cluny: You don't know anything about me.**

And you think you know about me and what I have or have not done? Try again, Trish.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/1/12


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\\ The amount of Scripture read in a mass does not compare to sitting under good Biblical teaching on a Sunday, PLUS daily Bible study digging into the Word on your own, and then discussing it with others who are studying with you. You obviously have never done such a study.\\

My experience with them is that they are filled with people with itching ears lead by control freaks.

And prayer groups frequently degenerate into gossip mills.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/1/12


Cluny, if you are going by the traditions of man, you have failed already. You said,

"I HAVE received good discipleship because I cling to the Orthodox faith whereas you have wandered farther away from it."

The Eastern Orthodox faith has many traditions not found in the word of God. How can you know when a teacher, who is a man, teaches wrong, if you are going to check what he said, with what another man said? He could also be wrong. How do you know what is Truth unless you compare it to the Word of God?
You just don't know. If that man was wrong from the beginning, you will always be wrong.
---Mark_V. on 8/1/12


Cluny: You don't know anything about me. I spent 18 years in the Catholic church. I went to a Catholic mass not long ago, and I stand by what I said. The amount of Scripture read in a mass does not compare to sitting under good Biblical teaching on a Sunday, PLUS daily Bible study digging into the Word on your own, and then discussing it with others who are studying with you. You obviously have never done such a study.
---Trish on 7/31/12


\\The amount of Scripture you receive on a Sunday morning during your sermon barely compares to daily Bible study including a weekly gathering of others studying the same Scriptures.\\

Like I say, you've never really looked at Orthodox or even Roman Catholic services and noticed their scriptural content and structure.

\\ If you had received good discipleship, as Jesus told us to do, you would not be acting so up in arms.\\

I HAVE received good discipleship because I cling to the Orthodox faith whereas you have wandered farther away from it.

MarkV, I'm perfectly capable of explaining the Orthodox viewpoint, which you don't even understand.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/31/12


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Cluny, you said to Trish,

"And as far as discipleship (to use a more Biblical word than mentoring), if the mentor is mistaken or deluded--and trust me, I've seen it happen more than once--what good will it do the disciple?"

That is the reason I said that a disciple in the Bible study group should make sure what the mentor is teaching is from the Word of God, and the very reason we should always authenticate what they say with Scripture. Because Scripture interpret's Scripture. If what they say does not reconcile with the Word of God they are wrong. There is no teacher who is perfect but Christ. We all fall short of the glory of God.
That is why we should check what anyone says with the Word.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/12


Cluny: Encouraging people who have Spiritual problems or questions to do Bible study is not a panacea. It is so they can learn the Truth about whatever Spiritual issue they are struggling with. The amount of Scripture you receive on a Sunday morning during your sermon barely compares to daily Bible study including a weekly gathering of others studying the same Scriptures. A sermon barely scratches the surface for most people.

Obviously, you have not experienced a good, indepth Bible study, because if you had you would not be calling my suggestions of Bible study and discipleship a panacea. If you had received good discipleship, as Jesus told us to do, you would not be acting so up in arms.
---Trish on 7/31/12


\\I had forgotten he was Orthodox, and they, like Catholicism tend to not study the Bible, but instead use the preaching from the pulpit\\

WRONG!

What do you think large parts of our services are made from, if not passages from the Bible? (The same thing can be said of official Roman Catholic services, such as the Mass and Divine Office.)

However, what I'm objecting to is not Bible study as such, but your offering them as a panacea for unrelated and dissimilar problems.

And as far as discipleship (to use a more Biblical word than mentoring), if the mentor is mistaken or deluded--and trust me, I've seen it happen more than once--what good will it do the disciple?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/31/12


Trish ,

Never mind.
---aka on 7/30/12


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Mark V: I mentioned it as discipleship sometime today. I use the terms interchangeably, because some baby Christians might be put off by the word 'discipleship.'

Thank you for explaining Cluny's viewpoint. I had forgotten he was Orthodox, and they, like Catholicism tend to not study the Bible, but instead use the preaching from the pulpit.
---Trish on 7/30/12


aka: I totally understand what you are saying about logic and graphe. I believe that the Word is Christ, based entirely on your explanation. Jesus said, "You shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free." That Truth is Christ Himself. Or are you going to tell me that the word Jesus used for Truth was not the same word used in John 1:1?
---Trish on 7/30/12


Trish, what I believe you are speaking of is what is called "discipleship" that is when someone is saved and has just began their walk with Christ, someone in authority who is already learned in the Word is to disciple the new believer through bible study. And the only way we know if someone is speaking the truth is if we check what they say with the Word of God. Normally when they are wrong, other things will not reconcile with the Word. Cluny is oppose to that because he puts his trust in what his Church teaches even when it goes against what the Bible teaches. They do read the Bible but have traditions that are not in the Bible that they go by and belief.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/12


//John 1:1 is speaking of Christ as the Word. PERIOD. It could mean nothing else.// trish

the word for Word in John 1 is logos...Logic, Truth. The word for scripture in the NT is graphe...graphics or something written or document. are you trying to tell us that there was a bible in the beginning and that bible was God?

i understand your what you are saying and therein lies some truth, but you are using the wrong graphe (scripture) and logos (logic) to make your point.
---aka on 7/30/12


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Cluny: In the Great Commission, Jesus told the disciples to go into all the world and make disciples. Mentor disciple young believers in their Spiritual growth, the same way Jesus helped the disciples.

John 1:1 is speaking of Christ as the Word. PERIOD. It could mean nothing else.

The Bible studies I go to have the person digging through the Bible to find many verses that support the Biblical principles being taught, not just one verse.

You obviously have something against Bible studies and discipleship.
---Trish on 7/30/12


\\But church attendance without Bible study on our own is dangerous. How can we know if what our pastor is teaching us is the Word of God, unless we study on our own.\\

And how do you know that what you're hearing in a Bible study is itself the Word of God, Trish?

For example, you urge people on here to "find a mentor," yet this is something that Jesus never said ANYTHING about.

In fact, the closest thing He said on the issue is, "If they blind lead the blind, they both fall into a ditch."

And you never answered a question I asked. Where did you get the idea that John 1:1 was talking about the Bible when it clearly is not?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/30/12


Cluny: Peter's sermon at Pentecost is in the Word of God. I don't disagree that someone can come to saving faith by someone else leading them to Christ without a Bible in their hand. And I also agree that church attendance is a vital step in our Spiritual growth. But church attendance without Bible study on our own is dangerous. How can we know if what our pastor is teaching us is the Word of God, unless we study on our own. That is something my pastor exhorts us to do. A Christian can certainly grow with independent Bible study. I did for a long time. But, I truly grew when my mentor gave me specific guidance in my study, and then grew even more attending a study with other women, and still holding myself accountable to my mentor.
---Trish on 7/29/12


So let me get this straight 3000 jew were found who had not read the Torah every Sabbath since they became men? Also they had not had the entire Old Testmaent read to them every year?

How did you decide this happened Cluny?

They may not have had their own copy but they knew the Bible.

So Cluny you want people to be Biblically illiterate? Why?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/29/12


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\\We can't have a knowledge of God if we are not reading the Word, and letting the Holy Spirit speak through it.\\

How about the 3,000 saved at Pentecost?

They were brought to faith not by having the Bible read to them but by the preaching of Peter.

And for several centuries, the average Christian did NOT have his own personal copy of the Bible for the simple reason that there was no printing. All books had to be hand copied. So they could not have been reading it, yet millions died for Christ.

Would you like to try again?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/29/12


Cluny: I believe that the HOLY SPIRIT speaks God's will to us through the Word. We can't have a knowledge of God if we are not reading the Word, and letting the Holy Spirit speak through it.
---Trish on 7/29/12


trish, i said consider what he is saying. i said bible study is fine as long as it turns to action. many of you call it works. but, James reminds us, faith without works (action) is dead.

btw - i needed little bible study to collect food that grocery stores were throwing out and bring them to a shelter for battered women.

my point is that people get stuck into going to church and bible studies (to no end)and tithe and get "baptized" and consider it reasonable service.

however, i did all that stuff and never knew the real jesus until i started to serve others and i guaranty he did not know me.
---aka on 7/29/12


Does it have anything to do with JAMES 3?
---Gordon on 7/29/12


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Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Jam 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

The Bible makes it plain we study the Bible to find the will of GOD so we can do the will of GOD.

We want JESUS to the LORD of our life.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/28/12


aka: The point of attending a Bible study is so much more than just studying the Bible. It's fellowship, accountability, and finding a mentor. People that are struggling with their Christianity need guidance in learning the Word in a one-on-one relationship. It is Biblical for mature men to teach young men, and mature women to teach younger women.

A young Christian won't know the Word, to do it, unless they study it. You can't be a doer of the Word if you don't know what it says.

Plus, in a mentorship relationship, a young Christian can be challenged in how to deal with sinful behaviors through confession and repentance. James also teaches that we are to confess our sins one to the other.
---Trish on 7/28/12


\\Cluny, you are silly!. Not one person believes that line, no, not at all.

Funny person!
---Phil on 7/28/12\\

Apparently you don't believe the Bible, Phil.

Jesus said to the Bible experts of His earthly sojourn, "You search the scriptures, for in them you THINK you have eternal life, yet they testify of ME, but you will not come to Me that you may have life." John 5:39-40.

**Cluny: John 1:1 "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
---Trish on 7/28/12**

You don't actually think this verse is talking about the BIBLE, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/29/12


Hi, Lyndol . . . you said this happened while you were in prayer. Well, I can see that if you were praying for you and others to do better in our Christianity . . . this would be why Satan would do an in-your-face attack in order to get you to feel your prayer is for nothing and that he can just mess with you any time, at all, including during prayer.

So, do not be discouraged about if Satan messes while you are praying. But do get stronger in Jesus and love and peace and joy and the power of this . . . not to only be trying to control the devil, but getting and growing more in the kingdom of God (Matthew 6:33) so we are ruled by Him in His peace (Colossians 3:15) with all we have with Him in His love (Jude 20-21).
---willie_c: on 7/29/12


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trish consider again what cluny is saying. encouraging someone to study God's word is fine, but Jesus told the young, rich man what to do.

Jas 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
Jas 1:23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror.

studying and hearing go hand in hand, but we must encourage each other to act. in fact, i think "studying" God's word can be a big cop out of doing His Word as instructed.
---aka on 7/28/12


Jesus said that devotion to the Bible can get in the way of seeing Him. Did you know that?
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/12

Cluny, you are silly!. Not one person believes that line, no, not at all.

Funny person!
---Phil on 7/28/12


Cluny: John 1:1 "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
---Trish on 7/28/12


\=\Cluny: If a person wants help with their Christianity, they must go to the source of the Truth concerning one's faith.\\

The source of truth is Truth Himself: Jesus.

Jesus said that devotion to the Bible can get in the way of seeing Him. Did you know that?

And it's faith comes by HEARING, not by reading or studying. The only way one could hear the faith-building word of God to which St. Paul was referring was then and still now is the CHURCH.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/12


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Cluny: If a person wants help with their Christianity, they must go to the source of the Truth concerning one's faith. That is God's Word. It is only by knowing what the Bible says about faith in Christ that a person learns the Truth. Your Rich Young Ruler had the Truth standing right in front of him, the Lord Jesus Christ. We have God's Word.

I share with people what has helped me grow in my faith, Bible study and being mentored. You are free to encourage people to do what helps you grow in your faith.
---Trish on 7/28/12


It means you're on the right track..
Keep in the Word and in prayer...
---micha9344 on 7/28/12


\\Cluny: Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
---Trish on 7/27/12\\

I notice that you did not answer the question i actually asked.

Furthermore, the NT had not been written at the time St. Paul wrote those words. Have you thought about the implication?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/12


StevenG: Any personal relationship one has involves two-way communication. We talk to God in prayer. He speaks to us through His Word. To tell someone who is struggling in their faith to NOT read the Bible is dangerous.
---Trish on 7/27/12


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There is a time when you must stop reading/studying the words in the bible and start a personal relationship with God. During these perilous times and very hectic lifestyle of christians - what with family, friends, shopping, entertainment, TV, radio, ipod, school, work, computers, phones, traveling - one must set aside one day a week to be with your creator to develop a personal relationship with him.
---Steveng on 7/27/12


You had a nightmare mixed with a bit 'o religious mythology.


Eat earlier and watch what you eat. Try using a little less superstition and mythology to explain things.
---atheist on 7/27/12


Cluny: Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
---Trish on 7/27/12


Trish, when the Rich Young Ruler asked Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life, did Jesus tell him to get involved in a Bible study?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/12


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Yes I understand what you all are saying and trust me I prayed for a very long time after that because it scared me so bad. I have never had a mental image like that pop up in the middle of prayer. I was wondering what it could have possibly meant?
---Lyndol_Burns on 7/27/12


If you want help with your Christianity start reading God's Word, the Bible. Get yourself into a Bible study and ask a mature Christian to mentor you in your faith. Ask him to hold you accountable for your prayer and Bible study. Pray together for your Spiritual growth. We can't get help with our faith in Christ without the Word of God.
---Trish on 7/27/12


On trap the demons lay for beginners is to make them think they are having spiritually significant visions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/12


Well, while Satan may be hating and killing and drinking the blood of Jesus Christ's people, he is also horrible with his own people. And humans of his are sharing with him in this. So, we need to make sure we really have been turned "from the power of Satan to God" (Acts 26:18) so we are "one spirit with Him" (1 Corinthians 6:17) in His love "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5). "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7) Most of all, our attention needs to be to God and submitting to Him in His peace (Colossians 3:15), not trying to control the devil ourselves.
---willie_c: on 7/27/12


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