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When Was Satan Created

Was Satan, part of the six days of creation? Or is Satan, in someway outside of it?

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God NEVER blinded any Gentiles eyes. Before Pentecost or after.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/12

Exactly!
---CraigA on 8/15/12


MarkV, If you have an issue with God's Word, you need to take that up with Him.

Even in your post you still did not have it correctly.

I never said God blinded anyone's eyes up until Pentecost and then after Pentecost Satan had done the blinding. That is your own words out of your own misunderstanding of Scripture.

You will never understand as long as your mind is working 100 miles an hour thinking up this or that no one ever said to begin with.

God NEVER blinded any Gentiles eyes. Before Pentecost or after.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/12


No MarkV, I don't need to stand back and take a deep breath. One of the Mysteries Satan had blinded your eyes not to see!

Romans 11:24-26
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
---kathr4453 on 8/14/12


Kathr, you need to step back and take a deep breath. What you suggest with your answers is that God blinded Israel only all the way up to Pentecost, and satan blinds everyone else after Pentecost. How silly is that? Don't you realize that God Rules over all things? That no one can blind anyone without God's permission? Satan is not God, there is only One God. God is Ruler of heaven and earth. Why do you argue against God? First, against the eternal Son of God, now against God Himself.
---Mark_V. on 8/14/12


1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.


WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO OVERCOME THE WORLD?,

Paul said, "I am Crucified to the WORLD and the WORLD to me?" Galatians 6. NOTHING matters but the New Creature/Creation.

When we identify with Jesus in death we died to this world and everything in it, and are raised up a NEW CREATURE looking forward to the New Creation, now seated with Christ in HEAVENLY PLACES above powers and principalities.

Christians are not in the world testifying of Christ...

Christians are IN CHRIST testifying to the world WE are the LIGHT in this dark world, .
---kathr4453 on 8/14/12




Wow, kathr4453
I will not ask you to explain these words.

---TheSeg on 8/14/12


I know..right!

It's very self explainitory!
---kathr4453 on 8/14/12


Wow, kathr4453
I will not ask you to explain these words.

JOHN 12:47-48
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not:
for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him:
the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

But that you keep them in your heart!
Blessed be his name
Peace
---TheSeg on 8/14/12


But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest UNLESS the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, should shine on them. 2 Corinthians 4:3,4


Those who twist scripture to fit into their false doctrine only give HALF a verse and then innerject THEIR interpretation of that 1/2 verse.

But that's NOT what that verse says or means is it??

NO!

What did JESUS say concerning those who perish?

Luke 13:5
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved....(will not perish) Believing on Jesus and His Word IS REPENTING.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/12


JOHN 12, 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
---kathr4453 on 8/13/12


kathr4453
Forgive me but!
You really believe when Esaias a prophet said these things.
He was talking exclusively about Israel. How so?

Also keep in mind Pharaoh was not Israel.
Exo_10:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him:

Joh 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
---TheSeg on 8/13/12




Follower_of_Christ, I am sorry you feel that way. Bye!
But before you go, I want you to know.
Youre not alone in the way you feel about the things Ive said.
You can take confer in that.

But with me, its either all true or none of it is!
Peace
---TheSeg on 8/13/12


2 Cor. 4:4 says, whose "minds" the god of this world has blinded, "who do not believe" All unbelievers Jews and Gentiles. And in order to understand these passages a person has to have faith and belief in the Lord. Why?
"But even if our gospel is vieled, it is vieled to those who are perishing" God is in Control of all things, satan is only in control of the minds of the lost. He does not rule this Earth, God does. Anyone speaking for satan is doing the desires of their father. The Word of the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 8/13/12


2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not

However John 12:40 is talking exclusively about Israel.

When Jesus was tested 40 days, Satan offered Jesus everything IF jesus would bow down to Satan. Note Jesus did not say to satan, "oh silly goose, It's not yours to give?"

Also note too Revelation 11 where during the Great Tribulation that the Kingdoms of this world HAVE NOW become the Kingdom of Christ.

The Prayer, thy Kingdom Come on earth as it is in heaven will take place AFTER Satan is bound for 1000 years.

The Church is no longer part of this OLD WORLD System. We await the NEW Heaven and Earth.
---kathr4453 on 8/13/12


The Seg

peace by to you and your interpretations. As a follower of the Lord I present his very word without any additions or opinions. There are too many additions you have added to each of the verses I submitted by his word that I can no longer follow your opinion on the matter.

~humble follower of the Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10 1 Pet 2:21
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/13/12


Satan is also called the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2. He is called the "ruler of this world" in John 12:31. To say that Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" is to signify that in some way he rules over the world and the people in it.

This is not to say that he rules the world completely, only God does this. But it does mean that God has allowed Satan to operate in this world (within the boundaries God has set for him) and has allowed Satan to operate with an agenda. When the Bible says Satan has power over the world, it must be made clear that God has given him domain over unbelievers alone. Believers are no longer under the rule of Satan (Col 1:13 and Col 3:1-4).
---kathr4453 on 8/13/12


The death of Christ on the cross is the basis for Satan's final defeat *Hebrews 2:14-15, 1 Peter 3:18,22. This event was the grand climax to a sinless life during which Jesus triumphed over the enemy repeatedly (Matthew 4:1-11, Luke 4:1-13). Here again, Satan probably rejoiced in the death of Christ, believing this to be a victory for him, but like all his victories, this one, too, was short-lived. When Jesus rose from the grave, Satan was once again defeated.

The final victory will come when Jesus returns and Satan is cast into the lake of fire *Rev 20:1-15. Strength for a Christian's victory over sin has also been provided through the death of Christ. We have assurance that "the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet.
---kathr4453 on 8/13/12


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Mark_V.
Amen! Why is it people say I believe?
But, with every word, all I hear is, no its not!
Its so good to hear you Mark!
God bless you!
---TheSeg on 8/13/12


The Seg, very well done. What I believe happens is, many read the passage in (2 Cor. 4:4) and believe that satan is really ruling this world, but it is God who rules all things. Satan is the god of this age, fallen world. The current mindset, expressed by the ideals, opinions, goals, hopes and views of the majority of people. It encompasses the world's philosophies, education and commerce. Satan blinds men to God's truth through the world system God has created that without Godly influence, man left to himself will follow that system. "Ultimately, it is God who allows such blindness (John 12:40)." Some believe God created earth and turned it over to satan, but God is always in control, and satan does what God allows him to do.
---Mark_V. on 8/13/12


Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world!
I mean really, think! Can his kingdom come from a created world?
There is no way, his kingdom can come from this world!
This world was created by him, but also for him!

2 Corinthians 4:4!
There are no other Gods! There is only one God, God!

Romans 12:2!
Jas_4:4 know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God?
whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Eph_2:16, having slain the enmity thereby!

Galatians 1:4!
I can only guess you think, this means he might do it!
God bless
Peace
---TheSeg on 8/12/12


Matthew 28:18 does not describe rulership of any government on earth.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world

Galatians 1:4
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world

followers of the Lord are not conformed to this evil world because it does not belong to the Lord now his rulership is a future promise.

The Seg look at what the Lord is saying in these scriptures, sorry you are most mistaken to think these are my words!
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/12/12


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Mat_18:8?

Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Psa_148:5,Rom_8:38

To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Look at what youre saying!

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him!
---TheSeg on 8/12/12


In my previous post

it should be Matthew 28:18 not Matthew 18:8

~humble follower of the Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10 1 Pet 2:21
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/12/12


Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,

And having spoiled principalities and powers!
He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it!

Again I'll ask you, to ask yourself who is the one lying!
---TheSeg on 8/12/12


Matthew 18:8 The Lord is describing his authority in his spiritual church. Matthew 18:8 does not describe rulership of any government on earth. The Lord stated his government was not yet ruling and the kingdoms today belong to Satan:

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world

Galatians 1:4
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world

followers of the Lord are not conformed to this evil world because it does not belong to the Lord now.
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/11/12


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Follower_of_Christ, I think the bible and all of us are clear enough on that!
Gen_1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven.
Gen_1:10 And God called the dry land Earth!
Gen_1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Do you agree with the ones who say the angels existed before?
God said, Gen_1:1, In the beginning God created!


Satan is a fallen angel and rules all of the fallen angels, the demons, on earth. Satan who is the destroyer, and he destroyed prior to man, is now ruling the earth today.
Follower_of_Christ on 8/11/12

So Christ is a liar?
Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
If not who is, lying!
---TheSeg on 8/11/12


"Eternity past" is meaningless......What Christians look for is not the future, but eternity.\\
---Cluny on 8/10/12

I agree. "Eternity Past" is an oxymoron.

Eternity is outside of time, so designations such as "past" and "future" betray a scriptural understanding of eternity.

scripture uses "before" and "after"

How can there be a before and after in a timeles eternity? I haven't got the foggiest idea, because I have not stepped outside of time yet.
---James_L on 8/11/12


Conclusion:

The fact that Paul tells us the Saints will infact JUDGE Angels, just as Nineveh as well as the Queen of Sheba will rise up and judge Israel, gives a clue to the fact as those who have studied this area, say man was created to teach the Angels a lesson, and well as bringing judgement to Angels who had already fallen. That in the end ALL are without excuse. This also goes into a deeper understanding that you will see in Genesis 3:15 and that prophecy to be completely fulfulled at the end of the ages.

I also agree with this view.
---kathr4453 on 8/11/12


Satan is a created being created with all angels long before earth. Elohim is the creator. Satan is a fallen angel and rules all of the fallen angels, the demons, on earth. Satan who is the destroyer, and he destroyed prior to man, is now ruling the earth today. The governments of the world belong to him. It was the governments of the world and rulership that Satan tempted the Lord and Savior with during the 40 days. Earth has existed possibly millions of years the earth was recreated during 6 days. The earth was dark and void from Satan.
~humble follower of the Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10 1 Pet 2:21
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/11/12


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I should make myself clear not all of you, just some believe this.
There was a creation before God said Gen 1:1 in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.

kathr4453, Im not talking about you, because you made it clear you dont know when the beginning was. Because God always had a voice and you dont know if he ever used it, before!
But, you did say the angels that sinned have no forgiveness in God.

I know when I read in the Bible, Know ye not that we shall judge angels?
And: how much more things that pertain to this life?

When he said, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
I feel for you judges!
---TheSeg on 8/11/12


Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


Nehemiah 9:6 You alone are the LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.

TheSeg, This is all that matters to me.
---kathr4453 on 8/11/12


TheSeg, the scriptures I just posted suggest there is a Heaven of Heavens, and an unseen world. Powers, principalities and dominions in an unseen world. To say this world came into effect only 6000 years ago including the unseen world and the Heaven of heavens, cannot be proved in Genesis or anywhere. Those who have studied this in depth also see in Ezekiel 28 a reference to Satan before his fall and before any mention of earth.

So yes , many do believe there was/is a Heaven above all the heavens we know of, and a spirit world we see God states in Job existed before a physical earth came into being.

If in fact everything that is created was in those 6 days, hell itself was created then too, and God said That was GOOD.

---kathr4453 on 8/11/12


I wonder how many of you believe, they was a beginning, before Gods word said in the beginning.
That there was some other creation before Christ created the heaven and earth, spoken of in the Bible. In Genesis!

If Im wrong, please do try to explain it.
But, this is what you believe, right! Two beginning and two creations!
I mean you do see that right! This is what youre saying.

Therefore Genesis is only about this universe!
So, you must also believe. If you go far enough in space youll find water or waters!
And that every time it says the whole of creation! Its only about us!

And Angels will not be forgiven.
Because this is only about us, and Christ only came here!
---TheSeg on 8/10/12


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\\The TERM eternity past is that period of eternity prior to creation of man and earth. The word TIME doesn't always mean minutes and seconds either! It can also mean "the present" as distinguished from the past or future. Future = ages to come.\\

I repeat, "Eternity past" is meaningless.

If you will recall, I already said that the present is just as much a quality of time as is the past or future.

What Christians look for is not the future, but eternity. Two opposite things.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/12


TheSeg.

One reason Genesis was written that we tend to overlook is the nations surrounding Israel had many gods. The god of the sun, moon etc. Often we overlook that Genesis begins with..

In the Beginning "GOD". That God created these things, and the sun, moon etc., are no gods at all.

How unfortunate that some who just can't be disagreed with or are blind to truth stoop so low as to make themselves the center of the universe, as we see here. MarkV is obviously PROJECTING his own mental illness here he knows so much about.

Like so many pagans, they worship the creature more than the creator and God just gave them over to their own evil desires. Some's only desire is to make a jakas out of themself!
---kathr4453 on 8/10/12


Kathr, on another blog you said you were delivered from sin, but not from the mental illness of obsessive-compulsive disorder called (OCD). This mental illness in which a person is overly preoccupied with minor details to the exclusion of larger goals. This mental illness can be treated by a doctor, and getting medication for that problem, but you don't need God to do that, you can see a doctor any time.
You dream of me, wake up thinking of me, and you make sure everyone knows who you believe I am, for my name is almost in every blog you answer. If you spend as much time learning about God as you do with me, you would know the Truth and it would set you free indeed. But you have to take care of your mental illness with medication first.
---Mark_V. on 8/10/12


Steveng, please forgive me.
But how beautiful are the feet of, who?
And why do you think this was said?

I will tell you something, I look at the Jewish nation and I marvel at them.
Can you tell me why?

Why do I as a nonreligious man, thank God for the very ground they walk on.
Because their so good or righteous! You know God said not one, right?

If we lived your ways and everyone did it.
That would be great! But the word of God would be lost.
The world is not going to live your way. So, lets keep the word of God!
Without the Jewish nation where would the OTB?
You can bet on it!

Peace
---TheSeg on 8/9/12


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the Word was God!
Are you trying to say there was some before that? No, right!
Youre just trying to make a point. So, Im I!

Did God create light, or is God Himself Light?
Joh_1:3 All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Gen_1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen_1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good:
Was God calling himself good?

Joh_5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me, of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Christ is the word of God!
---TheSeg on 8/9/12


The duty of every believer is to love God and love others. How do you love God if you are continuing thinking in the past? A christian loves God with genuine love and loves others with genuine love. Love is performing the love command and you cannot do that when you are thinking about the future and thinking about the past - only in the present.

Do an online KJV bible search for the following words: "one another," "each other," "encour," and "comfort." These words must perform in the present tense - not the past or future. It's the present tense of acting on genuine love that will get you into heaven not gloating about what you did in the past or what you will do in the future.
---Steveng on 8/9/12


TheSeg, I dont know when In the Beginning was. John 1 says In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Is John 1 talking about In the Beginning of the six day of creation? Certainly God, the Word existed prior to the Beginning of the creation of man/earth.
I dont see the First day God created the Heaven, Earth AND LIGHT. Did God create light, or is God Himself Light? Now look at the New Heaven and earth in Revelation. Will any LIGHT be necessary apart from Gods Glory itself? No sun or moon is even present. Why? Why was it not present prior to creation? Same God Same Glory! God Never changes!
---kathr4453 on 8/9/12


In the past eternity, God was alone, self-contained, self-sufficient, self-satisfied, in need of nothing. The creating of them when He did, added nothing to God essentially. He changes not.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/12


Who is arguing that? However Cluny said there is no such thing as "eternity past". The TERM eternity past is that period of eternity prior to creation of man and earth. The word TIME doesn't always mean minutes and seconds either! It can also mean "the present" as distinguished from the past or future. Future = ages to come.

MarkV, if you really understood the MYSTERY where even Angels were not permitted to look into you would know and understand this is PAUL's Gospel!
---kathr4453 on 8/9/12


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TheSeg, Just as the Gospel according to the Mystery is HIDDEN to those who are not saved, like all mysteries are hidden from those not saved, and Jesus said He has revealed them only to His Elect, maybe this too comes through revelation to those who are His TRUE Elect, as the Holy Spirit enlightens us through His Word, Line upon Line, precept upon precept. That Hidden Manna given only to those who have OVERCOME Satan.
The AGE in the past, prior to the creation of man/earth, the Sons of God CLAPPED. Clapping in no way suggests the Angels clapping contributed to the creation of man/earth.


Truly I do not know why MarkV wants to get contentious and start ugly arguments with those who disagree with him.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/12


Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

man was created lower than the angels - when Jesus came as man , he placed himself alongside man, lower than the angels but when we become New Creatures In Christ we become joint heirs with Christ, we will be lifted up with Jesus and the angels will be made below us.

Angels are not "Joint Heirs" with Christ and never will be.

MarkV, what Bible are you reading?

Angels are not MADE ONE with God in Christ John 17, OR will be or have been Glorified together WITH Christ. Angels are not indwelt with Christ.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/12


kathr4453, when God created the heaven and the earth.
We dont know about heaven!
But for sure the Spirit of God had not move on the face of the waters.
So would it be dark there? Yes I know it would!

Once the Spirit of God move on the face of the waters.
God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good.

Why assume Satan fall?
The earth wasnt even made.
But even after it was made!
Is Gen 1:31, God saw everything he made and behold, it was very good!

Really, I know all things work together for good.
But, would God look at Satan and call him very good?

Why assume anything?
Peace!
---TheSeg on 8/9/12


And for the love of God, can someone please tell me.
Why when talking about God this has to get so heated!

I believe the angels witness the creation of the earth.
But, to say they had some hand in it, is saying they are God.
Christ is the only one who created anything and everything.
But, I dont know with some of you, if even this agreeable?

Next is the question of how much time went by.
Here some of you believe there were two creations.
But, God says he saw every thing that he had made!
and, behold, it was very good.

Sorry but it seems to me, if the angels were made!
Then they are included in this everything he made.
Peace
---TheSeg on 8/9/12


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Kathr, if you want to argue a point in Scripture put down the passages. you speak alot and give nothing but that you are mad. Why not answer to why I said you were wrong? Show us where in the bible God said what you did? you cannot even answer that. Second, God is outside of time, He is not like you and me. If time could be call time, because there was no time when God was all alone in the unity of His nature. There was nothing, no one but God: and that, not for a day, a year, or an age, but "from everlasting" In the past eternity, God was alone, self-contained, self-sufficient, self-satisfied, in need of nothing. The creating of them when He did, added nothing to God essentially. He changes not.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/12


MarkV, And you now say this was an after thought at sometime, not in God's original SOVEREIGN plan?

Is Jesus ABOVE the Angels? YES! Will the New Creature IN CHRIST, begotten Sons through Jesus Christ be seated WITH Christ? YES. So then the Bible actually does teach and tell us that.

That's what bringing many SONS INTO GLORY mean MarkV.

Unfortunately Calvin never understood that either, because he never understood the meaning of the CROSS. One must FIRST be crucified with Christ and raised a NEW CREATURE to KNOW that fact! THE MYSTERY HIDDEN but now revealed.

Adam-Eve earthly creatures were created just below the Angels, The NEW Creature will have a place ABOVE the Angels.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/12


\\God created Angels at sometime in eternity past who GOD SAID in Job and directly TO JOB they were with Him when He laid the foundation of the World.\\

Wrong, kathr.

Past, present, and future are qualities of time.

God does NOT live in time. Therefore the term "eternity past" is like "neat garbage": a meaningless oxymoron.

Angels live in time, as they have a beginning.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/12


---TheSeg on 8/7/12

The Seg, we are already told,
In the Beginning God created the heavens and earth.. and the EARTH was without form and VOID and darkness fell upon the face of the deep.

I believe this is where satan fell and sin entered the universe bringing DARKNESS upon the original earth. There is NO DARKNESS in God whatsoever. Therefore that DARKNESS that fell upon ...is that same darkness that fell upon man when man sinned. Is there two creations of Man? One perfect and one imperfect?

Jesus came and brought LIGHT out of darkness just as God said..."let there be LIGHT"!
---kathr4453 on 8/9/12


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When I look at, Luk_24:44.
These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Here is a psalm! How can this be fulfilled in us?
Because I don't think thats what it saying.
Even though it saying very clearly, what its being say.

Gen_1:1, said I made heaven and earth!
Right away they say heaven was there first!
What wisdom!

kathr4453, just used eons and eons of time!
I read, there was a time, if time could be called time!
I do know lightning moves very fast. Luk_10:18

Here again Job_38:4, says "I" not "we"
---TheSeg on 8/9/12


Matthew 25:41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Nowhere in the 1st 6 days of creation is any mention of hell or the lake of fire. If in fact angels were created in the first 6 days, Hell/lake of fire would have been created AFTER the first 6 days. There was no point in creating this place of punishment before the devil and his angels rebelled, and, second, it must have been created before the fall of Adam or else it would have been created for him and his descendants too in the first 6 days, since we know now man will in fact end up in hell, not ORIGINALLY created for man.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/12


No one said angels are eternal like God. God created Angels at sometime in eternity past who GOD SAID in Job and directly TO JOB they were with Him when He laid the foundation of the World.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Only someone with the ability to READ and believe God's Word.

If you doubt that verse, then YOU can fudge and doubt any verses you want. Oh, you already do that! I forgot!

Then what?

Francis gave that verse here at least two times.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/12


The Seg, again, I totally disagree with Kathr. For two reasons, God is the only One who is Eternal, so before He created all He created, He was God. Where ever that place, if it can be called place, was.

Second, she said,
"God's plan before the foundation of the world was to bring man one day HIGHER than the Angels,"

Nowhere in Scripture does God tell us that. It is made up. Maybe a teaching of someone, but not Scriptural.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/12


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\\So some here actually believe God floated around some vast space ALONE for eons and eons of time that can never be measured, with No Throne or Angels to worship Him before creating the heavens and earth only 6000 years ago?\\

But God is outside of time. That's what "eternal" means.

**Why would you capitalize "host" when its not done in scripture? Rewriting your own Bible again, MarkV?**

Craig, the use of capital letters was introduced by the Biblical translators, as they (as well as chapters and verses) are NOT in the original MSS at all.

Or did you know that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/12


The Seg, I totally disagree with Steven G. The duty of every believer is to learn about God. There is people who don't want to know, they just want to get into the kingdom, not even knowing in whom they believe in. Only God is eternal, satan is not eternal but a created being. The only way people learn about God is to study the Word of God. You either have a passion to learn about God or you don't, period. A person either edifies the Church or tries to destroy it.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/12


What God personally said to Job is the answer. They were with God and WORSHIPED God long before the earth actually was created.

So some here actually believe God floated around some vast space ALONE for eons and eons of time that can never be measured, with No Throne or Angels to worship Him before creating the heavens and earth only 6000 years ago? Were you there?

All the host of them, in THAT PARTICULAR verse in Genesis can simply mean all the other planets, suns and moons etc.

The word "host" in scripture can mean several things, but when it refers to angels, scripture says the "Host of Angels" or "Heavenly Hosts".

RIP!
---kathr4453 on 8/9/12


The Idea that Angels were created in the first 6 days AND FELL before man fell would certainly be more news worthy that no news at all in Genesis. Satan had actually fallen before he entered into the Garden. Revelation states in the New Heaven and New Earth, no evil will be allowed to ENTER IN. God did allow evil to enter into the Garden, because evil was already present in the universe.

God's plan before the foundation of the world was to bring man one day HIGHER than the Angels, as begotten sons through Jesus Christ, called the church, Christ's Body,to live eternally in a NEW Heaven and Earth He then too already planned.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/12


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i totally agree with Steveng.
---aka on 8/8/12


Mark, I just find it amazing that some believe there were two creations.
I posted this question in the hope that people would know, there was only one!
Ask you see, this is not the case! And really who am I to argue with them.

But I am sure even with Psa_148, calling all these things separately, and at the same time!
Saying: Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

To the host of them will still mean beast, fowl, suns, moons, stars and empty space.

But, I am more concern about the two creations!
Like the eye saying to the ear, because I cant hear, I am not of the body
When you clearly are!
Peace
---TheSeg on 8/8/12


Reading all these posts tells me that no one knows for sure what happened ten thousand years ago. This is one of those debates the bible says that cannot be won or lost. Will knowing about this subject make your relationship with God stronger? No. Will it make your love of God and others stronger? No. It just an academic debate. Simply put, we were not there at the time the angels were created or the universe so all your posts are nothing more than speculation. I, too, can take a number of verses to make you believe anything your itching ears want to hear. So give this blog an RIP ceremony and live for today. That is what is important.
---Steveng on 8/8/12


The Seg, the creation praises Him. Praise the Lord from the heavens,
Praise Him in the heights,
Paise Him, all His angels,
Paise Him, all His hosts'
Praise Him, sun and moon, all you stars of light,
Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens,
Let them praise the name of the Lord, For He commanded and they were created. (Psa. 148:1-5).
Second, there was a time, if time could be called time, when God, in the unity of His nature (though subsisting equally in three Divine Persons) dwelt all alone. There was no heaven, no earth, there was no angels, there was nothing, no one but God, for only He is eternal. Satan was not with Him. He is a created being. Had to be created during creation week.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/12


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Wow micha9344, because you said, It became the flood.
I started looking for waters above heaven.
I found it in Psa 148.

Mark you were talking about Host.(check it out!)
I found that there too.
Guess what, the sun, moon, stars, angels and heavens of heavens are there too.
In Psa 148:5 it says:
Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

Wow what a coincidence.
---TheSeg on 8/8/12


micha9344
You are after mine own heart, I just loved that.
Really that was great!

Still these waters were above heaven!
So they werent in heaven or the great deep.
---TheSeg on 8/8/12


What became of the waters above the firmament, in Gen 1:7?-TheSeg on 8/8/12
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
It became the flood.
---micha9344 on 8/8/12


So, let me ask you guys this:
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

God called the firmament Heaven. Gen 1:8

In Gen 1:9, God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

What became of the waters above the firmament, in Gen 1:7?
Because you have the earth, the heaven or Space, right!
So, whats above Space?
Thanks!
---TheSeg on 8/8/12


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Why would you capitalize "host" when its not done in scripture? Rewriting your own Bible again, MarkV?

The hosts of the heavenS and earth could simply mean... the beast of the earth and fowl of the air.

The "sons of God"/angelic beings were already around when God laid the foundation of earth. Job 38:4-.

Nice try
---CraigA on 8/8/12


\\"Thus the heavens and the earth, "and all the Host of them," were finished, And on the seventh day God ended His work which he had done..."
The Host are all angelic beings.\\

Or are they stars, as in astronomical bodies?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/12


Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Actually this is not talking about the angels. It is talking about the stars, moons other planets which are in the heavens, and all that is on earth

Angels are not part of creation week, and were created before creation week



Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
---francis on 8/8/12


The Seg, satan and all angels whether good are bad angels were created in the first six days of creation. (Gen. 2:1) Tells us,

"Thus the heavens and the earth, "and all the Host of them," were finished, And on the seventh day God ended His work which he had done..."
The Host are all angelic beings. The serpent was a manifestion of satan, appears for the first time before the fall of man. The rebellion of satan, therefore, had occurred sometime after (Ge,1:31) when everything is creation was good, but before (Gen. 3:1).
---Mark_V. on 8/8/12


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Genesis is the begining of Earth. The bible surely says that the Angels sang and rejoiced during creation.

So the angels were created before Earth, and are not in any way shape or form part of the creation story


Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
---francis on 8/7/12


So then, there were two separate creations?
And only one account of creation was written of in the bible.
I am not trying to be funny here!
I want to understand, how this can be!
Only because, I believe there was only one!

Because in Gen 1:31, God clearly says:
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
So, was he talking about a second creation or the only creation?

Because Gen 1.1 says:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
So if the angels were already there, then theyre not part of this beginning.
Therefore, there must have been a separate creations!

He does say heaven and earth.
God bless and thanks for the help!
---TheSeg on 8/7/12


Was Satan, part of the six days of creation? Or is Satan, in someway outside of it?
---TheSeg on 8/6/12

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof,

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

So the angles were created before earts's creation. they witnessed creation of the earth
---francis on 8/7/12


\\no,satan was not created not even on the 6th day of creation....God did not create satan\\

Oh?

Are you saying that Satan created himself, or rather that, like God, Satan is self-existent?

If God did not create Satan, who did? And would this mean there is ANOTHER creator?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/12


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In Genesis, we do not see anything about the angels being created. So, they were created before the universe, I can see.

And, by the way, about Jesus > "without Him nothing was made that was made," we have in John 1:2.

So, back to Satan who was made > Jesus says, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven," in Luke 10:18. When Satan rebelled in Heaven and then got thrown out of Heaven "like lightning", I can see there was a big bang of thunderous clapping of Heaven praising God. And then, right after that big bang, Satan found himself on this earth. So, may be this is why he thinks a big bang started this earth. That's the only "evidence" he would have (c:
---willie_c: on 8/7/12


My understanding is the Genesis is talking about the creation of the physical universe.

Angels were created before that.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/12


no,satan was not created not even on the 6th day of creation.As we see in the Bible in Isaiah,lucifer when he was evil minded,trying to take the place of God,God threw him out of heaven.From there he was no longer called Lucifer but rather called Satan which means Cheater in simple terms.God did not create satan
---muan on 8/7/12


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