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How can I receive JESUS CHRIST as my LORD and PERSONAL SAVIOR?

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Kathr, there is no depending on what Salvation is. Salvation is eternal life. There is no question who the lost are, all descendants of Adam are born in sin. There is no one righteous, no not one. God has chosen those who are going to be saved, and through His Spirit brings individuals to spiritual life. God's righteousness, and the life that it yields, flows from God alone. The righteousness and life, our relationship with God, is only available to us in Christ, as He is manifest in the flesh. He is after all God.

You try to separate God from the Son and the Spirit. God came in the flesh. The Father and Son are One. Though Jesus had a duty in His humanity, neither the Father nor the Son stopped been God. Neither does the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/12


Cain was given spiritual ears, he just refused to use them. There's a lot of that going around.

God has given the Truth to you and I thru His Son but He will not use force on those of us who refuse to see and hear.
---barb on 8/27/12


While lost they needed the gospel Truth. "For faith comes from hearing" and hearing by the Word of God. Without God giving a person the spiritual ears to hear, they will never have faith in the Lord. markV///

Spiritual ears???? can you give any proof of scripture that Abel was GIVEN Spiritual ears and Cain was DENIED those spiritual ears? How could God give him a second chance TO DO what was right..that is bring a blood sacrifice, if he had no spiritual ears to hear God give him a second chance?

WHY would God give Cain a second chance when in fact YOU SAY he had no first chance to begin with?
---kathr4453 on 8/27/12


\\God chooses certain individuals for salvation...\\
---Mark V

That depends on what you mean by "salvation" which is a broad term. Justification? No. To share in Christ's inheritance? Yes


\\all descendants of Adam...are born in sin.\\
---Mark V

That depends on what you mean by "born in sin". We are decendants to Adam in the flesh, only condemning us to physical death. If flesh condemns to hell, then Jesus would have been condemned


\\Once they are saved, they become children of God.\\
---Mark_V.

Again depends on what you mean by "saved". We have the power to become children of God. It's not automatic
---James_L on 8/27/12


Kathr, it's simple. God chooses certain individuals for salvation before the foundation of the world. When a person, all descendants of Adam are born, they are born in sin. "Even the elect, ( the chosen, the Church: those who are called)." Once they are saved, they become children of God. While lost they needed the gospel Truth. "For faith comes from hearing" and hearing by the Word of God. Without God giving a person the spiritual ears to hear, they will never have faith in the Lord. It is all of God. Man, lost man, is at enmity against God. "As it is written,
"There is none righteous, no, not one. There is none who understands, There is none who seeks after God"
(Rom. 3:10,11).
---Mark_V. on 8/27/12




Hebrews 2:9-11
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings

Again even Hebrews reiterates God's plan before the foundation of the world.

Adam /Eve were NEVER sons to be brought INTO GLORY. Only those redeened through Jesus Christ.

Not even sinless angels have THIS privledge.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, NOW are we the sons of God,.
---kathr4453 on 8/26/12


We become children of God when we are saved, not before because we are adopted into Gods family through our relationship with Jesus Christ (Galatians 4:5-6, Ephesians 1:5). AND you receive the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirsheirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Those who are saved are children of God through faith in Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:26) because God has predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will (Ephesians 1:5).
---kathr4453 on 8/26/12


Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world... Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.

Salvation is by election, not the will of man.
---Phil on 8/25/12

Jesus was forordained BEFORE the foundation of the world to die for the sin of man. God KNEW before creating man, man would sin, and that is why Jesus was forordained/predestined to take away our sin so that "IN HIM "we would be redeemed through Christ. This was the good pleasure of His will,in bringing many sons INTO GLORY.


To as many as RECEIVE Him, TO THEM gave he the power TO BECOME sons of God. .
---kathr4453 on 8/26/12


1 Peter 1:19-21

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory, that your faith and hope might be in God.
---kathr4453 on 8/26/12


Brother Trey, thanks brother, blessings to you also. I have seen you on line for a long time but only lately have I seen you post more then any other time. That is great. To this day I have not disagreed with you and that is great. But it is good to sometime disagree because it gives us more time in God's Word to learn. I also agree with Phil's answer. The main thing is, that nothing we do deserves salvation. Our works never save us. Accepting Christ to be saved is just not true, that would be our works. We do accept Christ, after our heart has been change by God. God does the changing. Our works of accepting Christ is our realization that we see, hear and believe in Him already by faith. Where we are told, unto good works.
---Mark_V. on 8/26/12




Phil sorry but no salvation is apart from any promises given to Abraham. Even Paul reiterates to the Gentiles in Galatians that God said to Abraham, IN THEE WILL ALL NATIONS OF THE EARTH BE BLESSED. THEREFORE WE ARE ALL BLESSED WITH FAITHFUL ABRAHAM. AND so that the Spirit can come on the Gentiles.
---kathr4453 on 8/26/12


You may search the Scriptures on your own, but such a concept as "receiving" Christ is foreign. It is not in the Bible.

This present era of grace, through the stumbling of Israel, opened the door to the nations, apart from the Promise given to Abraham.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world... Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.

Salvation is by election, not the will of man.
---Phil on 8/25/12


MarkV, once again I find myself agreeing with you brother! Lord bless you. Even though we have never met, I consider you a friend.

JamesL, I'm glad you took it the way you did. When I read your response I was more than a little offended. My response was meant to be sarcastic. Today, however, I've cooled off, and am glad you didn't take it the way I originally intended. In truth, I hope we will have many more biblical discussions. Lord bless you in your studies and understanding of scripture.
---trey on 8/24/12


Trey, I liked what you said,

"My point is that if a man is saved by the irresistable grace of our Almighty God he should then take up his cross and serve God."

because no passage states God has to get permission to bring anyone alive together with Christ. From the beginning of salvation it's all of grace, God's unmerited favor. His grace doesn't need man to make it sufficient.
Us been born of God is by grace, Jesus Christ is provided for us by grace, the indwelling of the Spirit by grace, the sealing of the Spirit by grace. And we who are saved are told,

"Who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (1 Peter 1:5).
---Mark_V. on 8/24/12


\\James L, thanks for straightening me out! I didn't realize I needed to present the entire gospel message! I'll leave it at that for the sake of my own witness!\\
---trey on 8/23/12

ok....I think.

Maybe ??

I don't know. that was just as ambiguous as what you wrote before
---James_L on 8/23/12


James L, thanks for straightening me out! I didn't realize I needed to present the entire gospel message! I'll leave it at that for the sake of my own witness!
---trey on 8/23/12


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As the days of Noah. Think of those that making lite of Noah & his sons building the ark saying, rain - flood, it's never done that before. The appointed time all the animals & Noah with his family members got on the ark, & the door was shut. The rain & flood came, those outside weren't making lite anymore & they perished in the flood. The trinity Is making lite of The Acts 2 v 38 Church of the living God saying, you don't have to be baptized, you don't have to live a Holy life, just believe, there's no works, just be a good person etc. Jesus will be coming to call home His chosen few. The scoffing ( trinity Rev. 17 v's 4 - 6 ) will be left behind with antichrist to suffer the consequences & later in the lake of fire.
---Lawrence on 8/23/12


Read what kathr says, its the only way in this life or the hereafter.
The Cross and resurrection to you(grace), now trust in it(faith).
---duane on 8/23/12


MarkV, I corrected myself on that post ...it is BY GRACE that is BY THE CROSS and Finished work of Christ THROUGH Faith.

My faith Justified me SO THAT Jesus could save me BY HIS LIFE. To be saved BY HIS LIFE is to identify with Jesus Christ Death and Resurrection, whereby my old man is CRICIFIED with Christ SO THAT Resurrection life, or Eternal Life was given me by being raised up WITH CHRIST out of death.

This IS Salvation BY GRACE MarkV. THE CROSS!

This is what Romans 10:9-10 is saying. But one must read ALL of Romans 10 to get the jest of romans 10:9-10.

I did not try to establish a righteousness of my own...beginning of Romans 10, but ONE THROUGH CHRIST, Through His Death and Resurrection.



---kathr4453 on 8/23/12


Kathr, here is what you confessed to me and the world, "that you came to Christ without faith and after you were saved you got everything." Here you say,
"The Lord is MY personal savior, I was PERSONALLY saved by Faith through Grace. ---kathr4453 on 8/20/12"
I was only trying to correct you that you were saved by grace through faith. I was not condemning you. You can call me what you want, but you are wrong.
Common reason tells us that if a man is so fallen so to be at enmity with God, that enmity must be removed before he can have any desire to do God's will. If a sinner is to desire redemption through Christ, he must receive a new dispostion. He must be born again, from above (John 3:3).
---Mark_V. on 8/23/12


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trey,

I wasn't referring to your post, but it is even worse.

You mentioned nothing about the cross, which is the only basis for eternal life.

Just a very ambiguous "God loves you" message.

Then several things that should only be directed at believers:
Deny self
Pick up cross
Find a church
Get baptized


If there ever was a confusing message, yours was it.

Believe me, I was stranded in this type of ambiguous, self effort "gospel" for over a quarter century. Zero hope, Zero assurance, and Zero peace.

Why? ZERO faith in Christ.
---James_L on 8/22/12


James L., in reading your comment just above mine on 8-16, I'm not sure if you were referring to my comment or not. If you were you totally missed my meaning or I was unclear in my statements. I believe the scriptures to teach that our eternal salvation is totally and 100% by the grace of God. Man has nothing to do with this. My point is that if a man is saved by the irresistable grace of our Almighty God he should then take up his cross and serve God.

Do you agree?
---trey on 8/22/12


"Attraction to certain food, or light versus darkness, is not something someone chooses - it's an inherent aspect of one's own disposition."
JL

We would then say to everything, "I was born this way"? Instruction/Correction?
Of Abraham was said, "I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment." Genesis 18:1

1 Samuel 2:12-36.

Isaiah 7:15_16 "Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings."

NoCookie...
---Nana on 8/22/12


\\Luke 8:15 ...good ground...the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit..."
Perhaps choosing no, but keeping and bringing to fruition, most definitely.\\
---Nana

I agree. We are called to walk, not to be carried or dragged.


\\John 3:19...and men loved darkness rather than light....That's choosing, to prefer one over the other.\\
---Nana

I would disagree there. I love pizza rather than organic bran flakes. I don't decide what wets my palate. Something either does or doesn't.

Attraction to certain food, or light versus darkness, is not something someone chooses - it's an inherent aspect of one's own disposition.

Pertaining to light, there is none who seeks God (Rom 3:11)
---James_L on 8/22/12


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Obey Acts 2 v 38.

Leave the trinity Lies alone !
---Lawrence on 8/22/12


"Parable of the sower - we are all like ground. No ground "chooses" to receive the seed"
---James_L on 8/22/12

Luke 8:15 "But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience."
Perhaps choosing no, but keeping and bringing to fruition, most definitely. Yet, even choosing is debatable since a case for choosing can also be made:
John 3:19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
That's choosing, to prefer one over the other.
---Nana on 8/22/12


You know JamesL and Blogger, the kind of faith MarkV is talking about also falls into the WOF doctrine, or those who say faith is a power force like Benny Hinn, and then faith becomes faith in faith or the power of faith.

Faith is an attitude.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/12


Blogger 9680,

A M E N ! ! ! ! !

For clarification, faith is not active, as in God gives us the ability to believe and then we actively express that belief. It's not like talking, where we have the ability, then choose to speak.

Faith happens TO us. We are convinced (or assured) based on the veracity of God's promise and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, not from something within ourselves. It's the gift of God.

Yet, some refuse to be convicted of sin and convinced of the truth, thereby supresssing the truth in unrighteousness

Parable of the sower - we are all like ground. No ground "chooses" to receive the seed
---James_L on 8/22/12


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Well MarkV, I'm sorry to tell you that I do in fact know what GRACE is, as the Lord PERSONALLY taught me Galatians 2:20-21 and Romans 6, neither of which suggests one's name is picked out of a hat giving unmerited favor to whomever God chose to give it to.

And nowhere in scripture did God say to Cain, "Not only will I not give you a second chance to do what it right, I NEVER gave you a first chance either, so kiss my ask you looser depraved person I will never merit my favor on and never intended to merit my favor on before you even existed!"

Your doctrine SUCKS MarkV and is not even in the Bible!
---kathr4453 on 8/22/12


To Be Saved:
Romans 10:9-11 If you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead you shall be saved. Your heart believes unto righteousness and with your mouth confession is made unto salvation. Whoever believes shall not be ashamed.
---Patricia on 8/22/12


The message of salvation began with Adam/Eve when God killed an animal and covered them. And we see that trail of BLOOD all the way to Revelation.

We have Rahab as well, who put a scarlet thread in the window, where God's wrath PASSED OVER her household.

Unmerited favor LEAVES OUT THE BLOOD, and bases salvation on God's good humor.

And the word "Unmerited Favor" is not even in scripture.

No one "INHERITS" a birthright that means SALVATION, of which Jacob inherited the Birhtright first promised to Abraham and all those promises given to Abraham RE the LAND etc.

Just read what Isaac BLESSED Jacob with in Genesis....He didn't bless him with SALVATION!
---kathr4453 on 8/22/12


(Romans 4:20-24)
He (Abraham) staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strong in faith, giving glory to God,

And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him,

But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, IF IF IF IF IF we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead


The word IF signifies a CONDITION of salvation. God requires faith. Faith is not a work (Romans 4:4,5), but it gives us access to Gods grace (Romans 5:2)
---Blogger9680 on 8/22/12


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Kathr, you said,

"
Sorry folks GRACE is not UNMERITED FAVOR."


I'm also sorry you do not know what Grace is.

"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. "being justified freely" by His Grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Rom. 3:23,24). You were justified freely. Nothing you did merited that justification.
"And if by grace, then it is no longer works, otherwise grace is no longer grace" (Romans 11:6).
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast" (Eph. 2:8,9).
---Mark_V. on 8/22/12


1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.



Hebrews 2:11
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/12


Abel's Faith vs Cain's: Abels sacrifice was accepted because it was a blood sacrifice and Cains wasn't.
This is a type of Christ which is the only sacrifice God accepts. Hebrews 9:22
---Patricia on 8/21/12


We are made perfect by the cleansing of the Blood of Christ. We are cosndiered perfect because JESUS CHRIST died in our place and we are accounted with His righteouness.

justified and perfect are not the same word. The verse states justified. why do you add the word perfect? the written word does not state we are made perfect it states we are justified! justified and perfect are not words that are interchangeable , why do you misquote the scriptures with fabrication?
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/21/12


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The Lord is MY personal savior, I was PERSONALLY saved by Faith through Grace. ---kathr4453 on 8/20/12

Yes correction is needed here, I was saved by Grace, that is by Jesus death and resurrection THROUGH FAITH in His death and resurrection. And THROUGH that Faith in His death and resurrection I was Justified by that FAITH. God counted /IMPUTED that faith to me as Righteousness.

Thsi is the SAME exact FAITH of Abraham. The ONLY kind of FAITH that will save you too! Believing God's Promises...
---kathr4453 on 8/21/12


Sorry folks GRACE is not UNMERITED FAVOR.

GRACE is the CROSS! I was saved BY THE CROSS.

And Just as Abel's FAITH vs Cain's NO FAITH, Abel found favor with God BECAUSE OF HIS FAITH! It was THROUGH Abels Faith that Abel showed obedience to God's will.

Romans 16:25-27...

FOR THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH.

If faith is THE Gift, there would be no need for any OBEDIENCE to it.

Therefore Shira and MarkV, I totally disagree with you.

The Holy Spirit is given to those who OBEY the Gospel.

Individual Personal Obedience....just like the Reformers fought for. The RCC or RCC Chrch could not save anyone...JESUS SAVES...one OBEDIENT soul at a time!
---kathr4453 on 8/21/12


4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed, and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
---kathr4453 on 8/21/12


I am first Justified by His Blood. Justification is by FAITH in Jesus Sacrifice, just as OT saints were called the JUST. these were those from Adam/Eve Abel and all who like Abel believed in the GOSPEL message that a Savior would come and save us from our sin. By faith Abel offered a BLOOD sacrifice acknowledging his faith and belief in God's Promise.

Now no such requirement was needed between Jacob and Esau, because Jacob and Esau is not about SALVATION, but SERVICE as to who would fulfill the earthly promises of bringing in the MAIN PROMISE given in Genesis 3:15

There's only ONE Gospel first given to Adam/Eve...not another given to Jacob vs Esau. TWO entirely different situations. Israel will always be in God's UNMERITED favor.
---kathr4453 on 8/21/12


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MarkV: "We are saved by grace (the unmerited favor of God) through faith" yes.(Eph 2:8)
All is of God, to HIS praise and glory. Also, you HATH HE QUICKENED, who were dead in trespasses and sins
BUT GOD, who is rich in mercy, for His great love wherewith He loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, HATH QUICKENED US TOGETHER WITH CHRIST, (BY GRACE YE ARE SAVED,)
AND HATH RAISED US UP TOGETHER, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:2-7
Heb 4:2 makes it clear that faith must be mixed with the word
Faith OF Christ
Rom 3:22-30,note vs 24, Gal 2: 16, 20

Being justified freely by HIS GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
---Chria9396 on 8/21/12


kathr, God does not save one at a time. if He did, I would way down on His list. I am thankful God is all knowing.
---shira4368 on 8/21/12


Kathr, I have to correct you here. You said,
"The Lord is MY personal savior, I was PERSONALLY saved by Faith through Grace."
You have it backwards,
"We are saved by grace (the unmerited favor of God) through faith"
Even the beginning of faith, the dispostion to seek salvation, is itself a work of Grace and the gift of God. Paul offen says that we are saved "through' faith (that is, as the instrumental cause) "but never once" does he say that we are saved "on account of faith") "that is, as the meritorious cause"
It is very important that we know that God saves us by His Grace not by our faith but through faith.
---Mark_V. on 8/21/12


Personal savior SIMPLY means :

Salvation is based on YOUR PERSONAL individual response in the Gospel. Jesus came to save one soul at a time. He didn't come to save nations/churches/denominations etc. BUT YOU PERSONALLY.

We are personally and INDIVIDUALLY upon faith, baptized into Christ Body, then PERSONALLY given a GIFT for the Body. Even my Gift is personal.

To make anything more of something so simple is rediculous and petty.

MY FAITH will not save you, therefore MY FAITH is a personal one. My WALK is too a PERSONAL one. My Obedience has nothing to do with you.

My Disobedience will also not affect YOU.

When Jesus knocked I ANSWERED, and HE came into me and supped with ME, not YOU= intimate-personal.
---kathr4453 on 8/20/12


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Hebrews 13:20-22

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

The Lord is MY personal savior, I was PERSONALLY saved by Faith through Grace. No longer I but Christ lives in ME, somewhat different than reigning over me......HE LIVES IN ME. You can't be Saved BY HIS LIFE unless HE LIVES IN YOU...RAISED UP TOGETHER WITH HIM>..Romans 6

Christ IN YOU, the Hope of Glory!!! Ephesians GAlatians, Colossians Romans and more!
---kathr4453 on 8/20/12


We are made perfect by the cleansing of the Blood of Christ. We are cosndiered perfect because JESUS CHRIST died in our place and we are accounted with His righteouness. He rose from the grave as someday we will rise from the grave.

In the meantime we are to die to self and live to the Glory and Honour of GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/19/12


Exactly, just look at Hebrews 10:1...in the OT, the blood of bulls and goats could NEVER,make anyone PERFECT...but the Blood of Jesus Christ can.

Now we grow up INTO the Fullness and stature of Christ another word for that is Perfect OR Maturity. Philippians 3, James 1,

However I'm not saved by my maturity.
---kathr4453 on 8/20/12


We are made perfect by the cleansing of the Blood of Christ

No we are justified.

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace,

The Lord is not a personal savior. As Lord he would reign over your life and you obey. That is not the case as even the Lord Jesus asked why call me Lord if you do not obey me. He cannot reign over you while you personally own him maybe that is the distinction between people who believe they have a personal savior not understanding the direct contradiction in their misunderstanding.
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/19/12


\\Oh but James, here you aren't telling the WHOLE TRUTH. Is that heresy?

The WHOLE truth is Jesus bore our sin and Died...don't leave out the death part.\\
---kathr4453 on 8/19/12


But alas, my statement:
\\That's the greatness of the cross - Christ bore ALL our sins\\

I probably should have clarified that Jesus didn't carry our sins around in a 5 gallon bucket, and then hang the bucket on the cross.

good grief
---James_L on 8/19/12


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We are made perfect by the cleansing of the Blood of Christ. We are cosndiered perfect because JESUS CHRIST died in our place and we are accounted with His righteouness. He rose from the grave as someday we will rise from the grave.

In the meantime we are to die to self and live to the Glory and Honour of GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/19/12


What truth ? The trinity apostates...you can keep the trinity Lies.
---Lawrence on 8/18/12

The issue at hand has nothing to do with Trinitarian doctrine, and I never mentioned Trinity once. You are so clouded by your perversion that any persentation of truth sounds like a defense of the Trinity.

I asked you to mail me so I could show you a proper understanding of Acts 2, and specifically verse 38. And whether it might relate to Matthew 28:19, which it does not.

your first contact was your usual diatribe. I responded with a tidbit for you to chew on, to which you replied that I'm a Trinitarian something or other.

That's not dialogue, Lawrence. That's shallow, uninformed, unbased accusation.
---James_L on 8/19/12


But you SHOULD be teaching perfection. NO sin will enter heaven. That's the greatness of the cross - Christ bore ALL our sins


---James_L on 8/17/12

Oh but James, here you aren't telling the WHOLE TRUTH. Is that heresy?

The WHOLE truth is Jesus bore our sin and Died...don't leave out the death part. He didn't just bore our sin. Now He Died and when we receive Jesus Christ WE DIE WITH HIM, we Identify With Him in Death where by WE die TO SIN with Christ, and are raised up a NEW Creature IN CHRIST. That's the ONLY way SIN cannot enter heaven...
---kathr4453 on 8/19/12


Just look up "personal Savior" in any concordance or on-line Bible and follow the directions.

Tell me if you ever find the formula there.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/16/12

Well Cluny, is GROUP SALVATION in scripture? If anyone teaches GROUP anything, it's a CULT!

WHOSOEVER WILL made it PERSONAL. Now Gentiles are included!

Now ANYONE can receive salvation without joining Israel.

Now ANYONE can come BOLDLY with Confidence to the throne of GRACE, where in the OT Only the High Priest could. It put the High Priests OUT OF BUSINESS! Only ONE is now needed.
---kathr4453 on 8/19/12


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James, your answer 8/17 was very good. When the Spirit quickens the heart of an unbeliever, He (the Spirit) makes him alive to Christ. Once his alive to Christ, his desires change. He now sees, hears and believes the Lord and wants to confess Him as his Savior.
"The Word (Christ) is near you in your mouth and in your heart (that is, the Word of faith which we preach): That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" That's when a person realizes he is saved indeed, only if he believes in his heart.
"For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Rom. 10:9,10).
---Mark_V. on 8/19/12


james

What truth ? The trinity apostates, Rev.17 v's 4 - 6 have NO truth! Their teachings once saved always saved, easy believism, no works salvation etc are All Lies, which came from here, 2nd.Cor.11 v 14, which Is the angel of deceiving light.

Just like at the bapt church I visited several yr's before 1972 ( the pastor name was, Don Edwards ) & there was a visiting speaker, he taught how Moses & the children of Israel crossed over the red sea. He said there was drought at that time & he said they crossed over in ankle deep water.
Again, ALL LIES. James, you can keep the trinity Lies.
---Lawrence on 8/18/12


The Lord Jesus died for the world not just you, or me, or anyone else. The statement to "receive Jesus as your personal savior" is without scriptural proof. If the Lord Jesus were your personal savior (or anyone else) than he becomes your property. My dog is my personal companion and also my property, not my neighbors companion, or in the care of or property of, my neighbor. To own Jesus (as your personal savior) and then claim he is your ruler (Lord) is as much an impossibility as my dog ruling over me. Salvation came by Christ Jesus as a gift from God not ever is it a demand of instant ownership.
~humble follower of the Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10 1 Pet 2:21
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/18/12


Chip,

you are absolutely correct. I don't think the majority of people understand what you wrote concerning Lord and Savior.

I have tried to explain that many times here before.

But that's where I was trying to go from Craig's response
---James_L on 8/18/12


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Gees, where do some of these answers come from?!?

You have two questions in your statement, Jesus as Savior and Jesus as Lord.

A few people answered well concerning Savior. There are no magic words - just you admitting to God you need Him to cover the mess you make of your life.

To make Jesus Lord however, is to be willing to understand that you are His slave, He is your master, you are willing to do as told and think nothing of yourself in doing so. It is called obedience and of our having Him in our life and to be the point of our existence.
---Chip on 8/18/12


\\if He is my personal savior, then he can't be yours.\\
---aka on 8/17/12

Now, that I can appreciate. Good stuff.



\\Acts 2 v 38.\\
---Lawrence on 8/17/12

LAWRENCE !! I thought we settled this through the penpals messaging. Oh, that's right. You bailed on me after the second message I sent back to you. Couldn't handle the truth, so you spewed your customary diatribe and cleverly dismissed yourself. Thanks, man. Your diligence is duly noted.
---James_L on 8/17/12


Do as The Word of God says, Acts 2 v 38. Apostle Peter delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost.

And NOT as the Man - made trinity apostates, Rev. 17 v's 4 - 6 say.
---Lawrence on 8/17/12


\\confess with your mouth....you will be saved?....call upon the name of the Lord you will be saved?\\
---CraigA on 8/17/12


Yes, BUT,
In Rom 10:9-10, you should see that there are TWO causes, and two effects.

First, a man is made righteous when he believes. Conversion is finished now.

Then, he is "saved" through confessing, or calling on (synonyms) the Name of the Lord. That does NOT mean "praying to" or "asking"

Rom 10:20
"I was found by those who did not seek me, I became manifest to those who did not ask for me"

it's a very long explanation. PLEASE send me a note through the penpals section

jamea3384
---James_L on 8/17/12


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Paul says "we who first trusted in Christ", in Ephesians 1:12. To trust someone can be very personal. But if we have not ever deeply trusted someone in real love, we might not know how personal it is to trust Jesus. "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7) To submit to God Himself in His own love > Romans 5:5 > this is very personal. "But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17) To be "one spirit with" "the Lord" is very personal. But ones are so impersonal in their intellectual theorizing about God, so they can deny this.
---willie_c: on 8/17/12


scott1, to add to what cluny says, if He is my personal savior, then he can't be yours. "for God so loved the world (mankind)..."

(fyi...i do not promote universalism either.)
---aka on 8/17/12


\\ but personal savior is the fact that he washes away all of our sin when we fail to be like him.
---Scott1 on 8/17/12\\

Actually, Scott1, NOWHERE does the Bible ever use the formula "personal Savior", nor is it taught.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/12


i can tell you that jesus is the christ and is my lord, but he is not my personal savior.
---aka on 8/17/12

Please explain "not personal savior." Agree completely that he is the Christ and is Lord which is why we follow and strive to be like him, but personal savior is the fact that he washes away all of our sin when we fail to be like him.
---Scott1 on 8/17/12


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\\do you think God would give his Spirit to a man who isn't sorry for his sins?\\
---LindaH

Absolutely yes. Read Acts 9. Saul was so overwhelmed that he didn't "feel" anything except...well, overwhelmed. Sorrow probably didn't set in until sometime after his conversion. Stop trying to be the Holy Spirit. Share the message and let God do His work. Some plant the seed, some water it, but God makes it grow


\\I'm not teaching perfection here.\\
---LindaH

But you SHOULD be teaching perfection. NO sin will enter heaven. That's the greatness of the cross - Christ bore ALL our sins


\\we will not mock God and get away with it.\\
---LindaH

What do you mean by "get away with it" ??
---James_L on 8/17/12


---James_L on 8/16/12

i agree.

why do i feel this is a leading question?

i can tell you that jesus is the christ and is my lord, but he is not my personal savior.
---aka on 8/17/12


Im sorry James. Did I say something wrong? Do the scriptures not say....


If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved?

Does scripture not also say that if you call upon the name of the Lord you will be saved?
---CraigA on 8/17/12


James, do you think God would give his Spirit to a man who isn't sorry for his sins?

I'm not teaching perfection here. Just saying that we must remain penitent. Scripture is very clear that we will not mock God and get away with it.
---LindaH on 8/16/12


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How can I receive JESUS CHRIST as my LORD and PERSONAL SAVIOR?

---SOLOMON_O._GEE on 8/16/12

There is only ONE answer to this question:

Ephesians 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith, that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

BY FAITH
---francis on 8/16/12


LindaH,

Many will try to help.

They'll start great, explaining sin and the cross.

But inevitably, when it comes to the "response"

virtually every one will unravel all that good, with just one small shot of cyanide.

As can be seen in the two before me, they will gently guide the man all the way to the cross. But one second before grace,

they'll throw him back into the mire of self effort with

"Now if YOU DO this, or do that, or devote this, or ask that, or call on, or turn from"

And this man will no more be saved than he was before he came here.


Scripture says "Believe In" Jesus. If one cannot explain that, maybe it's because he doesn't
---James_L on 8/16/12


Solomon, if you wish to accept Christ, it is because he has already done a work on you.
Rom8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Ro8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
1John4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Now:
Lu9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Now it's time for you to find a church home, be baptized and serve God!

Bless you dear brother. May the Lord guide your steps.
---trey on 8/16/12


I don't see anything wrong with any answers so far, James.

Maybe you would care to explain.
---LindaH on 8/16/12


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Oh, boy. here come the heretics
---James_L on 8/16/12


Admit you are a sinner and helpless against your own sinful habits.

Believe that Jesus Christ IS God in the flesh and that He gave his life for your sins and rose again from the grave ....all because He still loves YOU and want a relationship with you.

Then ask Him to forgive you and be the Lord of your life and change your heart after those things which are holy. He will if you are truly sincere. I guarantee it and so does He! (John 6:37, Revelation 3:20)


---CraigA on 8/16/12


3 questions
1) do you understand that you are a sinner and that sin separates you for God.
2) Do you understand that your good works cannot make you a good person and thus acceptable to God?
3) The only payment for sin is death? Jesus being perfect (without sin) paid that price for you?
To gain full understanding I would read Hebrews 11 to show that is it not what you do/did but the faith in God that declares you are (righteous)saved.
If so go to a christian friend or pastor that knows you explain your answers to the questions and ask to pray with you to accept Jesus.
---Scott1 on 8/16/12


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