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What Makes God Righteous

The Bible tells us God is righteous. But what makes man righteous?

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David, without the Son of God, you have no salvation. I'm sorry you don't believe in Him. But you are not along. Many don't believe in Him either.
I know you read another bible, a bible that tried very hard to remove Christ from His divine nature, but even in your bible, though it was change a few times, it has to change again because many passages are still left that speak of Christ's divinity. His Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresence. And until they are removed completely, you still have a chance to believe the truth. There still some truth left in it. I hope you find it.
---Mark_V. on 9/3/12


The diciples also recognize Jesus as the Son when they declared,
"You really are the Son of God" (Matt. 14:31).
---Mark_V. on 8/31/12

Mark
True, but they believed he was the Son of God because of the miracles.
Would they have believed in him if he didn't perform any miracles? Everyone who believed Jesus was the Son of God, believed so after a miracle.

Everytime God reacts to something you do, something the Lord has commanded you to do through his Holy Spirit, this is how you will know the Truth about Jesus Christ. This is how you will know that he truly is the Son of God.
If he was not the Son of God, we would not be able to have this relationship with God the Father.


---David on 8/31/12


How do you see that God keeps His promises?
---Mark_V. on 8/30/12

Mark
We receive the commands of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit of God.
These commands our put into our minds.(Conscience)
When we do what the Lord has put on our conscience, God will act, and we will know it was from God.
This action could be in the form of discipline, because of disobedience to these commands, or reward from obedience to these commands.

How will you know the con artist from the needy when they both beg for money?
The Holy Spirit will put the needy on your conscience and when you obey, then you will be rewarded.
---David on 8/31/12


David, the Son of God is mention in Scripture.
"God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:17).
The Christ of the Bible is eternal. In the Messianic prophecy Christ is spoken of as the Child to be born in Bethlehem "whose going forth have been from of old, from everlasting" (Micah 5:2).
David, even the demons that Jesus cast down recognized Jesus Christ as the Son of God when they declared,
"Thou art the Son of God" (Mark 3:11).
The diciples also recognize Jesus as the Son when they declared,
"You really are the Son of God" (Matt. 14:31).
---Mark_V. on 8/31/12


Only the Righteousness of JESUS can save us. His death pays for our sins. JESUS is our intercessor who stands for us as our High Priest.

Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/30/12




David, with your answer I see you are the other David. Look, I'm not here to convince you. I can only give you the Truth.
You first say,
" when scripture can not prove Jesus was the Son of God." then you conclude with:
"And if we do what Jesus tells us to do, and see that God keeps those promises given through Jesus Christ. That is how we will know he is the Son of God."
You contradict youself. Either He is the Son of God or He is not.
How do you see that God keeps His promises? What vision do you have that convinces you whether He will or not keep them? If you do not have faith in Him right off that He keeps all His promises, you are making a judgment on God. You, a sinner with no faith.
---Mark_V. on 8/30/12


I absolutely believe what Jesus taught and give you Scripture to proof it with the context. ---Mark_V

Mark
Well said, and that is why I have a problem with most doctrines. They prove their doctrines with scripture, when scripture can not prove Jesus was the Son of God.

The Gospels of Jesus Christ, are Gods promises given to us through Jesus Christ.
And if we do what Jesus tells us to do, and see that God keeps those promises given through Jesus Christ. That is how we will know he is the Son of God.
(John 7:17) "Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own."

---David on 8/30/12


David, you asked,

"Why is Jesus called the Author of salvation?"

Because His God and only God saves sinners. "looking unto Jesus, the Author and finisher of our faith" (Heb. 12:2). Faith comes from God, without it you remain condemned.
then you say,
" And why are your Salvation teachings not found in the Gospels of Jesus Christ?
I agree that righteousness comes by faith in Jesus Christ, but how can you say you have faith in Jesus Christ, when you do not believe what Jesus taught about salvation?"

I absolutely believe what Jesus taught and give you Scripture to proof it with the context. I just don't believe your interpretation of the Word. That is why we differ.
---Mark_V. on 8/29/12


Mark and Trey
Why is Jesus called the Author of salvation? And why are your Savation teachings not found in the Gospels of Jesus Christ?
I agree that righteousness comes by faith in Jesus Christ, but how can you say you have faith in Jesus Christ, when you do not believe what Jesus taught about salvation?
---David on 8/29/12


David, did you even read the whole passage and stop to think what it really said? Here it is again,

"And be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, "the righteousness which is from God by faith."

It is not his own righteous, it is the righteousness of God, that we receive through faith in Christ. Exactly what I told you. It is not our own righteousness, it is God's and God imputes that righteousness of Christ to us. Without it anything we do is sin. Jesus said, "without Me you can do nothing"
---Mark_V. on 8/28/12




David, do you understand that Christ took our sins and bore them on the cross, and at the same time he removed our sins he gave us a covering which is his righteousness.

Ro5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one (Adam), much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Ro5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
---trey on 8/28/12


I stand behind what I said:
Ro3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: ---trey on 8/27/12


Trey
It is through faith that we are made righteous.
(Phillipians 3:9)
not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.

If we were imputed with the righteousness of Jesus Christ, we would also have the faith of Jesus Christ.
Can you bring the dead back to life? Calm a storm? Etc.
---David on 8/28/12


David, I said,
"Anything without faith is sin. All the good deeds you do without God is sin..
---Mark_V. on 8/27/12"
and you said to me:

"Mark
Do you have any biblical support for these statements?"


First, let me say that no one is good but God. Jesus words. (Luke 18:19).
Second, (Romans 14:23) tells us,
"But he who doubts is condemned if he eat, because he does not eat from faith, "for whatever is not from faith is sin"
Third: (Eph. 2:19) says about believers,
"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them"
---Mark_V. on 8/28/12


David, What God saw in Noah was Christ in him.

Ro8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

I stand behind what I said:
Ro3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

God was not looking at Noah's righteousness because man is not righteous in and of himself. Man is only righteous because of the imputed righteousness of Christ!
---trey on 8/27/12


Have you read in any of my post that I follow the law to establish my own righteousness?

Will God declare any one righteous who does not follow his laws?
---francis on 8/27/12


You just did right here!

I dont know why you laugh at MarkV.

Let me repeat it straight from scripture..

But now the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets, Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God, Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
---CraigA on 8/27/12



---Mark_V. on 8/27/12

LOL LOL what do you think those who reject God's laws are they are not in the spirit, they are in the flesh.

Do you think for one minute that you can reject the laws of God and also claim to live by the spirit?

You are just folloing yourself

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
---francis on 8/27/12


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Anything without faith is sin. All the good deeds you do without God is sin..
---Mark_V. on 8/27/12

Mark
Do you have any biblical support for these statements?
(John 3:4) says, "Sin is the transgression of the Law."
Which of Gods Laws do the unfaithful transgress when they feed the hungry?
---David on 8/27/12


David, his righteousness came from God thats why God gets the glory. If it came from him along, it would be sin. Anything without faith is sin. All the good deeds you do without God is sin. If you do not walk with God and you give a cup of water to someone, but never for the glory of God, it is sin. For everything good comes from above. We are saved unto good works. The good we do is because of Christ in whom we have put our faith in.

francis, you gave Romans 8:7) and forgot the rest of the context. The carnal mind belongs to the lost.
"For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh" Speaking of unbelievers who are at enmity against God.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/12


You are foolish if you think that keeping the commandments of God will cause you to reject Christ.--_Francis

Francis, IF you are following the law to establish your own righteousness, you ARE rejecting Christ! (Gal 5:4)
---CraigA on 8/27/12

Have you read in any of my post that I follow the law to establish my own righteousness?

Will God declare any one righteous who does not follow his laws?
---francis on 8/27/12



---Mark_V. on 8/26/12

You are foolish if you think that keeping the commandments of God will cause you to reject Christ.
--_Francis

Francis, IF you are following the law to establish your own righteousness, you ARE rejecting Christ! (Gal 5:4)

But now the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets, Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law

We establish the law but not to GAIN righteousness. We do it to honor our God and Savior and show our love for him and others
---CraigA on 8/27/12


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---Mark_V. on 8/26/12

You are foolish if you think that keeping the commandments of God will cause you to reject Christ.


Revelation 12:17 the remnant which keep the commandments of God, AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law AND to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---francis on 8/27/12


David, you asked me'

"Mark
So from your own words, you agree his righteousness came from from what he did"


No, not at all. he did righteous deeds because he is a child of God. God gets the glory, not Noah. He walked with God. If he didn't walk with God, no matter his deeds, they would be sin.
"His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful" (Rom. 1:20,21). For Paul tells us,
" As it is written, There is none righteous, not one" (Rom. 3:10).
---Mark_V. on 8/27/12


The passage says, he walked with God. That is the reason he was righteous. If he wasn't walking with God, he would not be righteous.
---Mark_V. on 8/26/12


Mark
So from your own words, you agree his righteousness came from from what he did?
---David on 8/26/12


---Mark_V. on 8/26/12

You are in a lot more spiritual trouble than you think.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
---francis on 8/26/12


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David, with the passage of (Gen.7:1) you conclude there is people without the imputed righteousness of Christ. If there was, they would not need a Savior. (Gen. 7:1) is referring to (Gen. 6:9). Noah was a just man alright and perfect in his generation, which only gave proof he was a child of God already. The passage says, he walked with God. That is the reason he was righteous. If he wasn't walking with God, he would not be righteous. The order is one of increasing spiritual quality before God: "just" is to live by God's righteous standards: "perfect" set him apart by a comparison with those of his day, Walking with God puts him in a class with Enoch (5:24). Without God there is no one righteous.
---Mark_V. on 8/26/12


francis, you don't have to tell me what the Jews did, I read it everyday in the Bible. And look what happen to them, they reject the Christ of Scripture. Do I want to do what they did? Not a chance. The Pharisees like you kept the law, their outward appearance looked great, the same can be said of Ted Bundy. He was handsome and charming, very likable, always doing good deeds, but his heart was full of anger and hate for women, and with that outward appearance was able to attract and then kill many women.
Jesus said of those Pharisees and Scribes who taught the law like you,
"Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness>" (Matt. 23:28).
---Mark_V. on 8/26/12


Man has no righteousness of his own.
.---trey on 8/23/12

Trey
If what you say is true, why did God say this about Noah?
(Genesis 7:1)
And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark, for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
---David on 8/25/12


Isn't he keeping the Sabbath? He worships on Sundays.
---Mark_V. on 8/24/12
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre

So the first day ( sunday) which is your sabbath, cannot be the same day as the sabbath of the Lord.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

People who make sunday thier sabbath reject the sabbath of the Lord.


Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
---francis on 8/24/12


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francis, you are such a hypocrite also. Here you accuse Craig of something he has not done. He said,
"While you personally may find it hideous that some worship God on a Sunday," Isn't he keeping the Sabbath? He worships on Sundays. Then you say to him,
"God finds it personally offensive when someone who knows his laws does not keep His Sabbaths"
Craig kept his, why do you accuse him?
Because it was not Saturday? Where does God say Saturday? Why don't you are Jerry give the passages? Because they are not there.
You act as if you do not sin, as if you are perfectly sinless, but take the log out of your eye so that you can see before you accuse someone of breaking the law.
---Mark_V. on 8/24/12


Hi David, Christ's inputed righteousness makes man righteous! Man has no righteousness of his own.
Isa 64:6

Rom5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one, much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.
So we see that righteousnes is a gift from God.
---trey on 8/23/12


What makes you think that your brothers and sisters in Christ in these blogs are wicked?
--CraigA on 8/22/12
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


While you personally may find it hideous that some worship God on a Sunday,
---CraigA on 8/22/12
God finds it personally offensive when someone who knows his laws does not keep His Sabbaths. To God for one to know his laws and not keep his Sabbath, is the insult of one putting his foot on God, which in the middle east, is a great offence

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day,
---francis on 8/23/12


David, concerning your name, you should put some letter after it so we can know it is you. Concerning what you said to me that I believe I was saved before I was born, I have never once said that. I believe in the Bible and not what Calvin are others teaches. If some of my believes fall in his teachings, you can say the same with the RCC, since I believe in some of their teachings also, like the Trinity. But don't accuse me of saying something I did not say. I don't change my name, go back and look what I have said.
I'm glad to hear you are not a witness or a Mormon. The other David is.
---Mark_V. on 8/23/12


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While you personally may find it hideous that some worship God on a Sunday,
---CraigA on 8/22/12

Wickedness is KNOWING what the Lord commands and refusing to do it

What does God command concerning the 7th day?
What does God command concerning the 1st day?
---francis on 8/22/12


What makes you think that your brothers and sisters in Christ in these blogs are wicked?

I haven't seen one person in here who is a follower of Christ that brags about their sin. As good as your intentions are, Francis, I believe your efforts are misplaced.

As brothers and sisters in Christ we are to encourage and support one another, not condemn each other.

While you personally may find it hideous that some worship God on a Sunday, it does NOT mean they don't have a relationship with Jesus Christ. They may, in fact, be a better Christian than you are. Just something to think about.
---CraigA on 8/22/12


Didn't your leader Charles Russell study with E.G. White?
---Mark_V. on 8/22/12

Mark
Oh...so that's why you have been saying the things you have been saying. You must have confused me with someone else.
Mark, I have never read anything these two people have written and have never even heard of Charles Russel. As for the rest, I don't believe any of that nonsense either.

Mark, There are a few David's on this thread, and now I understand your confusion.
---David on 8/22/12


So why browbeat everyone here with the 10 commandments? Don't you think that's a bit presumptuous?

Gods 10 laws are not grievous. If scripture states they are not grievous and it is through the Lord that someone has access to the holy spirit that will guide them and all things are possible with him, then how is it you feel brow-beaten by Gods 10 laws?
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/22/12


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So why browbeat everyone here with the 10 commandments? Don't you think that's a bit presumptuous?
---CraigA on 8/22/12

Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die, and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at thine hand.
---francis on 8/22/12


"In the case of Paul, the individual did not keep his sin secret, but was pridefully boasting of it"---Francis

That is exactly what I was looking for. I'm glad that you see that.

So unless you PERSONALLY know someone or hear reports from those who have a first hand account of someones sin, you cannot judge whether or not their sin is willful, correct?

So why browbeat everyone here with the 10 commandments? Don't you think that's a bit presumptuous?

God is the only one who truly knows if a man is rebellious or simply struggles with the temptation of a particular sin.
---CraigA on 8/22/12


David, what lies? Do you not worship Jesus an angel? Doesn't your bible "the new world translation" state that Jesus is a little god?
Is it not true that your bible has change many passages in order to change the deity of Christ? Do you eat steaks with blood in them, and tell others they should not take the blood in order to have surgery and live? Haven't the witnesses predicted the end of the world all through their history? Didn't your leader Charles Russell study with E.G. White? Don't the witnesses encourage the flock to put their faith in the organisation and not in Christ Jesus? I have a whole lot more if you wish, now, do you tell everyone they are all lies?
---Mark_V. on 8/22/12


It is important to worship the right God, but you follow a different Jesus, one who is equal to Satan. ---Mark_V. on 8/21/12

Mark
You see Mark, this is your forte.
When you don't have anything to back up your statements, you just spew lies about the people you converse with.
Now to prove this, try and back up the statement you just made. Show us all where I said something that refutes the gospels of Jesus Christ.

I can show may places where you have, want me to show them to you using the clearly written words of the one you claim to follow?
Let's have a mature conversation, one where you respond as a man and not like a child.
---David on 8/22/12


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The imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ makes man righteous before a Holy and righteous God. And God is Holy and righteous because He is God. Jesus Christ is Holy and righteous because He is God.
---Mark_V. on 8/22/12


---CraigA on 8/21/12
My answer is that the apostle Paul was able to do it, why can't we? It was necessary to point you to a passage n the bible, where it was determined that this sin was willful.

Can we agree that Paul was able to judge that it was willful just by hearing?

In the case of Paul, the individual did not keep his sin secret, but was pridefully boasting of it.

Do people struggle with sin. SURE!!
Do people willfully violate the ten commandments and openly claim that they have not sinned, or that this act is not a sin? YES
Can we determine one from the other? YES
Would you like an example or a scripture on that?


Jeremiah 7:9
2 Peter 2:22
---francis on 8/21/12


Ok so follow_of_christ is Francis.



What Christian do you know that quit every sinful habit they had the DAY they accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior? I have NEVER met one! Not a single one. I can imagine how I would have felt as a babe in Christ if I had run across someone as judgmental as you. I may have very well left the faith. You show no compassion or patience. You just spit law to judge. Very likely because you are convicted yourself!

Anyone in touch with the Christian community knows that many people still struggle with sins that their brothers and sister in Christ have overcome. That is how we learn to depend on one another. It is how we grow together. It is SURELY according to Gods plan.
---CraigA on 8/21/12


"How do YOU determine if someone is sinning willfully, Francis?

You (or anyone else) are not wise enough to understand your own sins? To follow the Lord Jesus means you have repented from sin. you have turned away from living like the wicked. If someones sin is adultery and weekly visiting lover for many years each visit praying for forgiveness with no effort to stop the sin. Enjoying lust (just like the wicked do). Do you mean to say you do not understand this is willfully sinning? Apostles endlessly preached about overcoming and walking away from sin and to not fall back to your former life of wickedness. Apostles did not teach to remain in sin living a lawless life enjoying your lusts.
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/21/12


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Awesome Francis, but I can spit out scripture backing what I believe also. You, however, managed to avoid the question.

How do YOU determine if someone is sinning willfully or if they just struggle with certain temptations without PERSONALLY knowing that person?
---CraigA on 8/21/12


How do YOU determine if someone is sinning willfully, Francis?
---CraigA on 8/21/12

1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, [concerning] him that hath so done this deed,

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
---francis on 8/21/12


How do YOU determine if someone is sinning willfully, Francis?

And is it up to YOU or God to determine who is? Seems like you enjoy putting yourself in Gods shoes.


---CraigA on 8/21/12


Sin.. does not end your relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.
---CraigA on 8/20/1
1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, with such an one no not to eat.


Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he will not hear.
---francis on 8/21/12


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David, now you resort to throw Calvin. You, who say,
"Mark
Many of us here are followers of Jesus Christ and subjects like these are very important."

It is important to worship the right God, but you follow a different Jesus, one who is equal to Satan.
That is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible that I follow. The One I follow is God the Son, He is Creator of all things because not only is He Holy and rightous but Divine. Many of us do follow the Eternal Son of God, but don't include yourself in that group. You have a little god, we have Almighty God of Heaven and Earth. It doesn't take a Calvinist to know that. You would strip deity of His Omniscience if you could which proofs the carnal mind is enmity against God.
---Mark_V. on 8/21/12


Of course it is sin. But the righteous requirements of Gods law have been fulfilled on your behalf by your Savior Jesus Christ. The law demands that you DIE for your sins. Jesus already died for your sins.

Sin does grieve the Holy Spirit but it does not end your relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.

I cant tell you how many times in my life I have backslide and the Lord been there to pick me up and dust me back off again.

His word are true. "I will never leave you nor forsake you". Just Him being there for me when I dont deserve his love is what makes my love for Him grow stronger day by day. It makes me want to be the type of man He will one day be proud of.
---CraigA on 8/20/12


The sin that condemns us now is rejecting this precious gift and trying to maintain our OWN righteousness by the law.
---CraigA on 8/20/
So i could violate all of these:

1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, to worship
3: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
4: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5: Honour thy father and thy mother:
6: Thou shalt not kill.
7: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8: Thou shalt not steal.
9: Thou shalt not bear false witness
10: Thou shalt not covet

and it would not be sin
---francis on 8/20/12


Francis, those laws STILL exist and we are to follow them, BUT not for the sake of gaining righteousness!

We are not under the law because we are no longer married to the law. We are dead to it (Romans 7:1-4). We are now married to Christ and are now able to freely bring forth fruit without the fear of condemnation (Romans 8:1)! Without the fear of death (Heb 2:15)!

You either LOVE God or you are TERRIFIED of him! It cant be both. Ever love someone you know wants to kill you? That has been taken care of by Gods grace towards mankind.

The sin that condemns us now is rejecting this precious gift and trying to maintain our OWN righteousness by the law.
---CraigA on 8/20/12


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David, please don't try to tell everyone what makes God righteous, or what makes Him perfect. ---Mark_V.

Mark
Many of us here are followers of Jesus Christ and subjects like these are very important.
We all understand that you follow John Calvin. Teachings about salvation would naturally be absurd to you, a Calvinist, one who believes they were saved before they were born.
---David on 8/20/12


francis, you did not answer the question but did a lot of talking.
To what do you convert the soul to? If the sould is the breath, what does the breath convert to?
How do you save a soul which is the breath of God? What do you save it from?
You gave (Psa. 19:7) without explanation. And forgot James 5:19,20). Yet you did alot of talking concerning the breath of man as the soul.
---Mark_V. on 8/20/12


--CraigA on 8/19/12
Let see if we understand each other. Are you saying that the death of Christ, has brought an end to every believer following these:

1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, to worship
3: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
4: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5: Honour thy father and thy mother:
6: Thou shalt not kill.
7: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8: Thou shalt not steal.
9: Thou shalt not bear false witness
10: Thou shalt not covet
---francisr on 8/19/12


Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets,

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus


Francis, you are lost.
---CraigA on 8/19/12


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Its more and more common to see people confusing sanctification and justification. I believe this is how the works and law for righteousness doctrines come about.

Jesus doesn't just ENABLE you to make yourself righteous by his Spirit. He justifies you and sanctifies you by his blood! THEN you are given his Spirit because you have already been cleansed.

Does the Spirit of God reside IN a man who is under Gods wrath? Think about it

His Spirit is our "Comforter", giving us the power to live a life pleasing to Him and giving us the assurance that we are the children of God.
---CraigA on 8/19/12


Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
---CraigA on 8/19/12

If you want me to respond to your statement, you must first clarify to me what your understanding is of the above verse.
---francis on 8/19/12


Psalms 18:20 The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.

Psalms 18:21 For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.

Psalms 18:22 For all his judgments [were] before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me.

Psalms 18:23 I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.

Si if you want to know what makes man righteous it is this: Psalms 18:23 I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.

Next question is HOW does man do that
answer: CHRIST IN YOU BY FAITH
---francis on 8/19/12


francis, the law of God is perfect because He is the Law.
---Mark_V. on 8/19/12
God is not the law, God is the law giver James 4:12 There is one lawgiver,

The law is a reflection of the charecter of God,
1 John 4:8 for God is LOVE

Matthew 22:37 Thou shalt LOVE the Lord
Matthew 22:39 Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Because the law of God is based on LOVE the character of God who is righteous, when we keep the commandments of God, we reflect the righteousness of God

Deuteronomy 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
---francis on 8/19/12


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Give them enough time and they always hang themselves.

Not falling into transgression of the law is what makes God righteous, and it is the exact same thing that makes man righteous
---francis on 8/18/12


Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Galatians 5:4,5
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Francis, you are lost.
---CraigA on 8/19/12


francis, the law of God is perfect because He is the Law. No one else is perfect outside of Jesus Christ who is God.
Wasn't it you who said that the soul was the breath of man? How do you convert the breath? What do you convert the breath to?
---Mark_V. on 8/19/12


If a man desires to perfect as God is perfect, don't you think it's important for one to understand why God is perfect?
---David on 8/18/12
very well said!!!

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Escheweth ... verb (used with object) to abstain or keep away from

Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:
---francis on 8/19/12


David, please don't try to tell everyone what makes God righteous, or what makes Him perfect. That He is we do know, but the why, no one knows. What we do know is that He is God and He would not be called God if He was not perfect and righteous. We see those attributes displayed all through Scripture. In answer to the question, "what makes man righteous" the answer is the imputed righteousness of Christ. For the Son of God in His divinity is God. In His humanity He died in our place so that His righteousness could be imputed to us who believe by faith in His works.
---Mark_V. on 8/19/12


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And Here David also seems to know what makes God righteous, I will tell you why He is righteous, because He is God.
---Mark_V. on 8/18/12

Mark
If you were one who taught economics, and a student asked you how Lee Iacocca got wealthy, what would your answer be?
He's wealthy because he's Lee Iacocca?
If student desire's wealth, that student will need to know how Iacocca got wealthy.

Mark
If a man desires to perfect as God is perfect, don't you think it's important for one to understand why God is perfect?
---David on 8/18/12


Do you understand that the example the Lord Jesus left was his obeying Gods 10 laws perfectly?\\
---Follower_of_the_Law on 8/18/12


HUH ?!?

how did you manage to twist that one?

It CLEARLY says that Jesus SUFFERED, leaving an example for us.

It's nothing but utter deceit and dishonesty to twist that to mean that the example we have in Christ is follwing the 10 commandments.

Even if you aren't francis or Jerry, I'll tell you the same thing I've said to them

You Ought To Be Ashamed Of Yourself !!

You just bore false witness to the scriptures, don't you know? So much for PERFECTLY obeying the Law, huh?
---James_L on 8/18/12


Deuteronomy 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil,

This is what happens when you have Christ is you, you are able to obey the law of God, that is righteousness. Not falling into transgression of the law is what makes God righteous, and it is the exact same thing that makes man righteous
---francis on 8/18/12


James Am I Francis or Jerry? No I am not. Are you paranoid? many are faithful and proclaim Gods saving truth understanding most don't want to hear it. Thank you for choosing a scripture that expounds on the previous words from the Lord I shared 1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Do you understand that the example the Lord Jesus left was his obeying Gods 10 laws perfectly? followers of the Lord obey his 10 laws Acts 5:32 because with God nothing is impossible Luke 1:37. no law no righteousness

~humble follower of the Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10 1 Pet 2:21
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/18/12


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Follower, James is correct, you are a follower of the law. I mean the written law. Not the Law of the Spirit. (Romans 8:4) begins with (v. 2)
"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death (Written law)." There is now "no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."
And Here David also seems to know what makes God righteous, I will tell you why He is righteous, because He is God.
---Mark_V. on 8/18/12


Believing in what God has revealed to you (assuming no contrary Scripture). Being committed in faith through obedience to His Word.
---Chip on 8/18/12


\\obeying Gods 10 holy laws are what makes a person righteous and can be done through the Lord\\
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/17/12


Ummm, Follower of the Law, are you francis? or Jerry?

One thing is for sure, following Christ does not mean following the Law. He fulfilled that, you know.

The example He left for us to follow is suffering (1Peter 2:21)
---James_L on 8/18/12


I learned the answer to this important question and thought I would share it with you folks.

To answer this question we must understand what makes God righteous.
God is righteous because we can trust in his promises.
We are called righteous when without fear, we trust in Gods promises.

Example:
Abram had faith in God, but when he went to Egypt he feared they would kill him and take his wife, though he was under Gods promise.(Genesis 12:1-12)
But as Abraham, he showed that he believed God promise without fear when he offered the life of his son Isaac upon the Alter.(Hebrews 11:19)

A righteous mans faith is faith without fear. This is what made Noah and Abraham righteous in the sight of God.(Psalms 56)
---David on 8/18/12


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obeying Gods 10 holy laws are what makes a person righteous and can be done through the Lord

Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Luke 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not, for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Psalm 119:142
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/17/12


"But what makes man righteous?"
"Now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, [the] righteousness of God [through the] faith of Jesus Christ towards all, and upon all those who believe: For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. [Being] found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith," Rom 3:21,22>2Cr 5:21>Rom 10:4>Phl 3:9
---Josef on 8/17/12


"What makes man righteous?" God is not "what". God makes us righteous. In us, His love effects us to make us right like His love is right. But many humans are loving in their own wills and egos so their loving is not right. "Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5) "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)
---willie_c: on 8/17/12


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