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Worshiping The Beast

It says the one who "worships the beast" "and receives his mark" "shall be tormented with fire and brimstone", in Revelation 14:9-10. Even if we are not in the time of "the beast", what are ways that we could be worshiping him, already?

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Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are..


Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall... think to change times and laws:


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

We could be worshiping the beast already, by choosing to follow the laws of the best, rather than the laws/ commandments of God.
---francis on 8/31/12


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Cluny: "I merely said they are created."

Where do you get "created" from the word "angelos"?

Why do YOU worship on the "Venerable Day of the Sun" when it is NOT orthodox to do so?

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---jerry6593 on 8/31/12


Since the beast on which the woman rode in Revelation 17 represented false religions, is it not true that is speaks of those that preach a another gospel and a different Jesus, one being the followers of Ellen White?
---lee7537 on 8/30/12
LOL LOL LOL LOL
how would you tie ellen g white to 7 hills? seven kings, or seven mountains?
---francis on 8/30/12


---lee7537 on 8/30/12
Only one who lacks all spiritual understanding would think that ellen White has anything to so with the beast.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall..speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:

You cannot have it both ways, you cannot be against Ellen white for teaching the laws and against her for teaching against the law

Then again you are leej, take you medication so that you will not hurt those SDA in your family.

We know how you would like to kick SDA
---francis on 8/30/12


Since the beast on which the woman rode in Revelation 17 represented false religions, is it not true that is speaks of those that preach a another gospel and a different Jesus, one being the followers of Ellen White?
---lee7537 on 8/30/12




\\Because, like the Roman Mithra worship which led to Catholicism, the ancient Babylonians also worshipped the Sun god, and similarly fell into aposatsy.\\

Please provide the appropriate quotes from Mithraic documents that prove your point, jerry.

Bet you can't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/29/12


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Cluny: "I merely said they are created."

Where do you get "created" from the word "angelos"?

Why do YOU worship on the "Venerable Day of the Sun" when it is NOT orthodox to do so?

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---jerry6593 on 8/29/12


Even if we are not in the time of "the beast", what are ways that we could be worshiping him, already?
---willie_c: on 8/17/12

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are..


Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall... think to change times and laws:


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

We could be worshiping the beast already, by choosing to follow the laws of the best, rather than the laws/ commandments of God.
---francis on 8/28/12


where does it state that God begin Creation on Sunday and rested on Saturday,
---Mark_V. on 8/28/12
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Now most people who gather ons unday for worship do it because it was the day fo the resurrection.

Lack of spiritual disernment makes you not see that saturday is also the 7th day

1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
---francis on 8/28/12


where in Scripture did God say saturday was the Sabbath or where does it state that God begin Creation on Sunday and rested on Saturday,
---Mark_V. on 8/28/12

Your question is based on self deception that somehow Jesus kept a diffierent day other than Saturday as his sabbath, or that another day except saturday is the seventh day of the week

You keep bring up the jews who kept the law, mor eignorance again. the first 10,000+ christians were all law keeping jews.

Paul and nicodimus were both the Pharisees
Acts 21:20 And when they heard [it], they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe, and they are all zealous of the law:
---francis on 8/28/12




\\But "angelos" still means ONLY "messenger" and not created winged creature as you insist.\\

Wrong again. I NEVER said that "angelos" meant "winged creature." I merely said they are created.

Why do you deliberately misrepresent what I say?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/28/12


francis, I keep asking, and you do not answer, how can I learn from you? It is always the same answer, so and so did this on this day, and I say, so and so this this on another day. You say God said it, I asked, where in Scripture did God say saturday was the Sabbath or where does it state that God begin Creation on Sunday and rested on Saturday, and nothing, just alot of talk. We don't do what the Jews did, look where it got them. Nowhere. All those laws they tried to keep and couldn't keep them. Now God gives them a New Covenant and they reject Christ. you want to live under the law like them, go for it. I rather live under the Spirit of the Law, through Christ.
---Mark_V. on 8/28/12


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Cluny: You're right, I got denotation wrong. It must have been your explosive personality that caused me to detonate. But "angelos" still means ONLY "messenger" and not created winged creature as you insist.

"why do the ancient Churches of Persia and India, which were founded by the Apostles, but NEVER were under Rome have Sunday as their main day of worship?"

Because, like the Roman Mithra worship which led to Catholicism, the ancient Babylonians also worshipped the Sun god, and similarly fell into aposatsy.

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---jerry6593 on 8/28/12


---Mark_V. on 8/27/12
Your righteousness comes not by faith, but by your own works.

You reject Jesus who is the creator who created on 6 days and rested on the 7th.
Romans 1:25 changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,

you reject the ten commandments of God.

Rev 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You substitute your own sabbath for Gods holy 7th day sabbath

Mark 7:7 in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Your righteousness surely is by your own works NOT by faith in Jesus
---francis on 8/27/12


---Mark_V. on 8/27/12
Not at all, keep asking!
How else will ypu learn?
Just stop pretending that saturday is not the 7th day

Ezekiel 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.


Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth..it shall come to pass, that from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
---francis on 8/27/12


\\sunday as a holy day was given by the catholic religion\\

As I asked elsewhere, FoC, why do the ancient Churches of Persia and India, which were founded by the Apostles, but NEVER were under Rome have Sunday as their main day of worship?

You've NEVER explained this. Can you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/27/12


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\\Denotation??? Is that what happened to your brain? \\

jerry, do you know the difference between the words "denotation" and "detonation"? Look them up.

Or were you trying to be insulting? Sorry, but I've already been insulted by experts.

Maybe you were trying to be witty? In that case you were half right.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/27/12


because there is no passages where God commanded man to worship on Saturdays

Yes in the catechism there are no passages to observe Gods holy sabbaths because catechism is not a bible. Jesus from, the biblical account, is Lord of the Sabbath Day. The Sabbath Day is the last day of the week. Those who follow the examples of Lord Jesus observe the 7th day holy sabbath as did the Lord and Apostles.

sunday as a holy day was given by the catholic religion and their catechism and those who do not observe the weekly sabbath follow the catholic Jesus (the other jesus) who is found in their catechism. Fact is there is no account in any passage anywhere in holy scripture that abolishes Gods holy sabbath day.
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/27/12


francis, you would love for me to stop asking for the passages because there is no passages where God commanded man to worship on Saturdays. Not one. I first believed that most SDA's were saved, but after hearing you, jerry, follower of another Jesus answer, all of you teach heretical doctrines. If that is what SDA's believe, they are a lost Church. They do not follow the essentials of the Christian faith.
The Pharisees believed that due to their status as children of Abraham, and to their scrupulous adherence to the law, they were the children of God. At the core, this was a denial of the gospel. A corrollary article of legalism is the adherence to the letter of the law to the exclusion of the spirit of the law. You guys are legalist.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/12


Can you say definitively who stands up, Jesus or Michael?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/24/12
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth..
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war...his name is called The Word of God. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh

So the prophecy says Michael will stand up for God's people in the time of trouble, clearly this is the time of trouble and it is the Word Of God who stands up for God's people
---francis on 8/26/12


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IOW, jerry, you cannot refute my point, so you stoop to name calling.

The Apostles NEVER taught that Jesus became the Christ at the time of His baptism by John, as the SDA teaches.

No, the Apostles were NEVER SDA.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/26/12


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Cluny: "While the denotation of "angelos" is messenger, in a Christian context it is more specific."

Denotation??? Is that what happened to your brain? Some Greek scholar you are. You claim the right to redefine the original Greek according to your pseudo-Orthodox, Catholic-lite, man-made doctrines, all the while claiming that somehow SDA doctrine defines the original Greek. Maybe you're right. All the original Orthodox Christians were SDA's.

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---jerry6593 on 8/26/12


Jesus was not a mere messenger from God. Jesus IS God Incarnate. Period.

The Lord Jesus is a messenger as the word of God confirms:

Malachi 3:1
Deuteronomy 18:15-18
Acts 3:20-22

Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

The Lord was the messenger of the gospel. gospel old word meaning good news, and the message was the good news of Gods coming Kingdom on earth. Today the beast system exists within the context of Christianity teaching doctrines of devils and contrary to the Lord Christ Jesus. To claim the Lord was not a messenger is speaking against the Word of God. Apostle Paul warned these would be cursed Galations1:8-10
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/25/12


While the denotation of "angelos" is messenger, in a Christian context it is more specific.
---Cluny on 8/25/12
LOL LOL In christian context it is still messenger: evANGEList

In Christianity there are created being called seraphims and Churabims who are heavenly messengers


francis, you couldn't provide any passages where God said Saturday Sabbath.
---Mark_V. on 8/25/12
Get out of this foolishness fast!! If you want to reject the Sabbath of the Lord, which is on the 7th day do so like a man. Do not pretend that the Sabbath which Jesus kept, and the Sabbath which SDA keep were on different day.
---francis on 8/25/12


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Cluny:

Saying "Jesus was an angel" is not the same as saying "Jesus was MERELY an angel". Jesus was a man AND God AND a prophet AND a priest AND a king AND a preacher AND a rabbi AND a messenger AND many other things. Saying he was any of this does not in any way necessarily imply that he was not any of the others.
---StrongAxe on 8/25/12


\\The greek "angelos" simply means "messenger". It does not imply a created being. Thus, Jesus or anyone with a message from God could logically be an angelos.\\

While the denotation of "angelos" is messenger, in a Christian context it is more specific.

You are doing nothing more than trying to smuggle in the SDA's arian/adoptionist Christiology.

Jesus was not a mere messenger from God. Jesus IS God Incarnate. Period.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/12


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Cluny: For a supposed Greek scholar, you sure are off base on what "angel" means. The greek "angelos" simply means "messenger". It does not imply a created being. Thus, Jesus or anyone with a message from God could logically be an angelos.

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---jerry6593 on 8/25/12


francis, you couldn't provide any passages where God said Saturday Sabbath. You exhalt yourself above otheres and remind me of the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax collector,
"The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank You that I am not like other men-extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week, I give thithes of all that I possess" (Luke 18:11-12).
You are a true representation of a Pharisee who exhalts himself by keeping the law. While others are not as good as you.
The tax collector said, ""God, be merciful to me a sinner" Jesus said, "I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather then the other"
---Mark_V. on 8/25/12


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sn't he keeping the Sabbath? He worships on Sundays.
---Mark_V. on 8/24/12
Worship is not a once a week thing. Worship is how we live!!!

By yielding to the word of God on every issue we worship constantly

Our choice of Food, our choice of dress, our choice of activities show whom we worship.


Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey,

I serve and worship God when I obey God who said remember the sabbath day...7th day is the sabbath of the Lord...

Those who claim that sunday is their sabbath, whom do they serve?
---francis on 8/25/12


After all these words, can you [francis] say definitively ...
---Mark_Eaton on 8/24/12

do not hold your breathe.
---aka on 8/24/12


\\the word angel does not mean created being,\\

francis, if angels are not created beings, therefore they must be self-existent and uncreated. (There is no third alternative.)

If you believe that angels are self-existent and uncreated, you therefore believe they are deities.

If you believe in more than one god, you are a polytheist and not a Christian.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/24/12


\\the word angel does not mean created being,\\

Yes, it does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/24/12
So the Angel of the Lord which led israel our of Egypt, was he created and by whome?
---francis on 8/24/12


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Jesus who is like God (the Father) Micha-El is creater of, greater than, and He is the Chief of ( ARCH) all the seraphims and churubims, thus the title Micha-el, The Arch of Angel
---francis on 8/24/12

After all these words, can you say definitively who stands up, Jesus or Michael?

It better be Michael and only Michael or the Scripture and prophecy is incorrect.

This dilemma, I believe, invalidates your theory on who Michael/Jesus is. He cannot be both. Jesus can only be Himself and Michael can only be the who stands up.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/24/12


\\the word angel does not mean created being,\\

Yes, it does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/24/12


---Mark_Eaton on 8/23/12
Jesus is not disguising himself as The Angel of The Lord.
When we are children we are talk that angels are these created being with wings. When we become adults it is time to shed those childish things and understand that the word angel does not mean created being, it means messenger. There are two classes of created being which are also messengers of God seraphims and churubims and Jesus is neither of those.

Jesus who is like God (the Father) Micha-El is creater of, greater than, and He is the Chief of ( ARCH) all the seraphims and churubims

Thus the title Micha-el, The Arch of Angel

God (trinity) truly does not have names only attributes

Exodus 34:5
Exodus 34:6
---francis on 8/24/12


---Mark_Eaton on 8/23/12

Let me start by saying that Jesus will always be Like God (the Father)which is what Micha-el means.

Second in the future when we see someone standing up for the people of God this is what the Bible records: Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

So at that time of trouble it is the word of God who is seen taking up, going to war, standing up for God's people
---francis on 8/23/12


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I do have a question about the Jesus / Michael confusion.

Francis has used Daniel Chapter 12 as part of the infamous "proof" that Jesus is really Michael in disguise, yet there is a verse that puzzles me.

Dan 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up,..."

This verse presumably takes place in the future because of the resurrection connection in verse 2.

My question is this, if Jesus is Michael, and if Jesus stands up on that day, then is not the verse incorrect because Jesus is incarnate now as Jesus and is no longer Michael. For the verse to be correct, would not Michael have to stand up as Michael and not as Jesus?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/23/12


\\When you disagree with me that is fine. But do not make false charges against my church for when you bear a false witness you declare you are against truth.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/22/12\\

If francis and the mid 1980's SDA Revelation Seminar are typical of SDA doctrine, then they are not true.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/12


The Word is Christ and is God.
Christ is equal with God.
Christ states he is God.
---trey on 8/22/12
Agreed!

Romans 1:7 God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 15:6 God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 1:3 God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

I am using these verses to show that the name " God" is usually reserved for the Father. Now while Jesus is God* Jesus is NOT the father. But he is the Image of God, meaning Jesus is like God The Father

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
---francis on 8/23/12


francis,

Joh1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
*The Word is Christ and is God.

Joh10:30 I and my Father are one.
*Christ is equal with God.

Lu4:11 (Satan Speaking) And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Lu4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
*Christ states he is God.

Joh3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
*If Christ is the only begotten son of God, wouldn't that make Jesus Christ God?

Does any of this make sense to you?
---trey on 8/22/12


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The difference between "like God" and BEING God is greater than the difference between lightning and lightning bugs.
---Cluny on 8/22/12
You are a bore, if only you looked at the BIBLE first:


Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
2 Corinthians 4:4 Christ, who is the image of God,

See how Jesus is LIKE GOD meaning like THE FATHER
come on cluiny get it together
---francis on 8/22/12


Francis: Cluny cannot defend his doctrines from Scripture or from history, so he resorts to the fundamental doctrine of his pseudo-orthodox cult - "salvation by bashing other denominations". He can be quite entertaining in his dodge and weave gymnastics. But, trying to engage him in rational debate is an exercise in futility.

this explains cluny's position completely. And it would explain why he cannot use scripture and why his answers are evasive whatever doctrines he does believe in are not from the bible.
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/22/12


\\\\You are the one who will not accept the fact that Jesus is like God ( michael) and that Jesus is also the Angel of the lord
---francis on 8/22/12\\

The difference between "like God" and BEING God is greater than the difference between lightning and lightning bugs.\\

BTW, the heresy of Arius is that he insisted that Jesus was merely LIKE God (homoiousios) and not IS God (homoousios).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/22/12


Cluny I am an elder in the Seventh day Adventist church. JESUS is GOD. Second person of the trinity. Fully GOD and fully Man. He created all things for he has always existed.

When you disagree with me that is fine. But do not make false charges against my church for when you bear a false witness you declare you are against truth.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/22/12


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\\You are the one who will not accept the fact that Jesus is like God ( michael) and that Jesus is also the Angel of the lord
---francis on 8/22/12\\

The difference between "like God" and BEING God is greater than the difference between lightning and lightning bugs.

And since angels are created, Jesus is NOT an angel.

You are just giving further proofs that SDAs do not believe in the REAL Jesus Christ (to Whom be glory) and must be baptized when becoming Christians.
---Cluny on 8/22/12


YOU are the one who cannot prove that the Apostles taught that Jesus was the Archangel Michael incarnate.
---Cluny on 8/22/12

You are the one who will not accept the fact that Jesus is like God ( michael) and that Jesus is also the Angel of the lord
---francis on 8/22/12


\\Francis: Cluny cannot defend his doctrines from Scripture or from history,\\

Wrong again.

I do it all the time.

YOU are the one who cannot prove that the Apostles taught that Jesus was the Archangel Michael incarnate.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/22/12


Francis: Cluny cannot defend his doctrines from Scripture or from history, so he resorts to the fundamental doctrine of his pseudo-orthodox cult - "salvation by bashing other denominations". He can be quite entertaining in his dodge and weave gymnastics. But, trying to engage him in rational debate is an exercise in futility.


---jerry6593 on 8/22/12


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Willie, a believer could be speaking for Satan, but not worshipping him. Jesus told Peter,
"Get behind Me, Satan, You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men" (Matt.16:23). Here Peter was not worshipping satan. The harshness of this rebuke contrast sharply with Christ's words of commendation in (v. 17-19), Jesus was suggesting that Peter was being a mouthpiece for Satan. Because Jesus death was part of God's sovereign plan (Acts 2:23: 4:27,28). It pleased the Lord to bruise Him (Isa. 53:10). Christ had come with the express purpose of dying as an atonement for sin and Peter had just said to Him "Far be it from You, Lord, this shall not happen to You" (v.22).
---Mark_V. on 8/22/12


Then why did you bring it up if it has nothing to do with SDA.

---Cluny on 8/21/12

YAAAAWWWWN you are a bore. Go back to the start of this very blog, who is the very first person to introduce SDA into this blog?
---francis on 8/22/12


\\The statements are made by Roman Catholc priest and editors. What does that have to do with SDA?\\

Then why did you bring it up if it has nothing to do with SDA.

\\Or are you denying what God says in Daniel 7 that the 4th beast will seek to change times and laws?\\

I deny it's talking about the Roman Catholic Church "changing Saturday to Sunday." Christians were already worshipping then for the Eucharist.

YOU are the one that must prove it's the RCC, not I that it's not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/21/12


But neither your statement, nor this from an RC source are historically true.
---Cluny on 8/20/12

The statements are made by Roman Catholc priest and editors. What does that have to do with SDA?

Are you faulting SDA for pointing out that RCC are saying these things.

Or are you denying what God says in Daniel 7 that the 4th beast will seek to change times and laws?
---francis on 8/20/12


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\\Cluny you claim that it is the SDA who a saying that the RCC changed Sabbath to Sunday. My post says that it is the RCC who says this\\

But neither your statement, nor this from an RC source are historically true.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/20/12


Cluny you claim that it is the SDA who a saying that the RCC changed Sabbath to Sunday. My post says that it is the RCC who says this:

'The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

are you claiming that this was written by a SDA?

Are SDA writing in catholic publications?
---francis on 8/19/12


\\It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. \\

It is well to remind the SDAs that if they take up a collection during their Sabbath services, or drive their cars to them, they are violating the Sabbath.

\\Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church\\

This is historically wrong, as I have already pointed out on this very thread.

But truth means nothing to the SDA.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/12


Roman Cath.Church changed GOD's Sabbath from Sat. to Sunday and if we keep his day holy which is 4th Commandmemt n always 7th day Sat. or worship beast on Sun.
---Wendy on 8/19/\\

Wendy, this is propoganda spread by the SDA.
---Cluny on 8/19/12

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church. Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ News on March 18, 1903.

Priest Brady is not a SDA he is a catholic priest
---francis on 8/19/12


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There are a lot of antiChrists but there is no AntiChrist in the world at this time and I assure you all Christians will know it. The AntiChrist will not sneak upon us because we have to have the chance to choose God or the AntiChrst,nor will we take the mark of the Beast unknowingly. People may stray and follow those whose doctrines which are from Satan but false doctrine has been on earth always but that isn't the Beast. Stop looking for things which aren't there and get on with learning Gods Word more,growing closer to God,learning to hear from God so you will not have any reason to fear because God will tell you who is the AntiChrist/Beast. Live holy it won't matter when the AntiChrist shows up because you will be ready.
---Darlene_1 on 8/19/12


Gordon, we don't always agree but I must say AMEN to what you wrote on 8/19/12.

Over and and over again I tried to share and explain these very things to people, but I guess it either goes over their heads or they are too busy chasing after Satan and his servants, Romans Chapter One, and 2 Corinthians Chapter Eleven
---Rob on 8/19/12


One way of worshipping the Beast today is by accepting and believing in the number of false "christian" doctrines that are rampant throughout today's apostacizing church. Parts of the Church are still faithful, but, WAY TOO MANY have turned away from the Truth in Scripture and are following after their own Lusts and Idols. That is prepping them to be in such a poor spiritual condition that they will readily receive the Anti-Christ and his great Lie when he appears. Those compromising church-goers will be the ones whom the Lord YAHUSHUA will VOMIT out of His Mouth, as mentioned in REVELATION 3.
---Gordon on 8/19/12


\\Roman Cath.Church changed GOD's Sabbath from Sat. to Sunday and if we keep his day holy which is 4th Commandmemt n always 7th day Sat. or worship beast on Sun.
---Wendy on 8/19/\\

Wendy, this is propoganda spread by the SDA.

One thing they can never do is explain just why Churches of Apostolic foundation which were never part of Rome, such as in India or Persia, observe Sunday as the principal day of worship.

Can you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/12


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"Even if we are not in the time of "the beast", what are ways that we could be worshiping him, already?" ---willie_c: on 8/17/12
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils, knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, [and] evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever! Amen." 1Ti 4:1>2Pe 3:3>2Ti 3:13>Rom 1:25
---joseph on 8/19/12


Dear Wendy

As a Seventh day Adventist I resent you making this false accusation. Those who worship on Sunday are not worshipping the beast. That time of testing has not come so you do not need to break the commandments of GOD by giving false testimony.

Do not forget that there will be many Catholic Christians in heaven who served GOD with all their heart and minds.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/19/12


Roman Cath.Church changed GOD's Sabbath from Sat. to Sunday and if we keep his day holy which is 4th Commandmemt n always 7th day Sat. or worship beast on Sun.
---Wendy on 8/19/12


cluny what is SDA and what does it have to do with Gods holy Sabbath days? I don't know who you were referring to however, I do not pick and choose holy sabbaths because they all point to the reign of the Lord and salvation. To follow the Lord is to follow his examples the Apostles have recorded in holy scriptures. Apostles recorded keeping of the annual feasts and Gods weekly 7th day Sabbath after the Lord Jesus ascended. These holy days point toward the true God and are a sign we believe he is our God. The beast system has been in place for centuries and does not keep the 10 holy laws of God deceiving many.
~humble follower of the Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10 1 Pet 2:21
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/18/12


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John tells us "this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." (in 1 John 4:3) So, the evil spirit of Satan's Antichrist is "already in the world", and ones going along with this spirit can be worshiping the beast, by already obeying Satan's spirit and kingdom and therefore worshiping him and his beast.

I think Chip has given some examples of how ones do this > also by "love of money" (1 Timothy 6:10), and "complaining and disputing" (Philippians 2:14). These wrong things can help to prepare someone to give in to worshiping Satan's beast. "If it's in your heart, you're already doing it."
---willie_c: on 8/18/12


Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.\\

Why does the SDA pick and choose about which of God's sabbaths they observe?
---Cluny on 8/18/12

I rather like the way in which you automatically associate word of God with SDA. Good job keep it up!
---francis on 8/18/12


\\Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.\\

Why does the SDA pick and choose about which of God's sabbaths they observe?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/18/12


If you never read your Bible but read books about the Bible.
If you live your life based on "feelings", "emotions", etc but not based on faith.
If you seek after "signs and wonders".
If you worship the creation and not the Creator.
If you think more highly of yourself than others.
When you do not consider the plight of the orphans and widows.
When you call evil good and good evil.
When you betray your belief or others.
When you fail to put yourself at risk to help another.
---Chip on 8/18/12


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We (the modern secular 'church', sixth day fallen man) have always enjoyed learning about the three aspects of God as though MAN should be glorified for what is DIVINE,....(3 sixes).

Paul spoke against "SECTAS PERDITIONIS" (sect of heresy/perdition)......the "AS" in Greek means "OF". We've been taught for centuries many perditious beliefs. The modern secular 'church' is the result/outcome (the "SON OF") of centuries of perditious beliefs.

We have inherited and embraced the harlotries of the one from Babylon, Ezekiel 20:7 (BOOK WORSHIP and PULPIT WORSHIP are the beast we made).
---more_excellent_way on 8/17/12


Followers of the Lord Jesus keep his truth by his 10 laws observing Holy Sabbaths given in Genesis. before the Lord returns the "ones who worship the beast" would be without his Holy Sabbath day

Exodus 31:13
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ezekiel 20:12
Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Mark 2:27-28
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/17/12


Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,
---francis on 8/17/12


\\next posting I will shwo the sea' sign/ mark of God
---francis on 8/17/12\\

It's not worshipping on Saturday.

You didn't think it was, did you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/12


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what are ways that we could be worshiping him, already?
---willie_c: on 8/17/12
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are..


Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall... think to change times and laws:


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

those who follow the changes laws set by the beast are setting themselves up to worship the beast and receive his mark

next posting I will shwo the sea' sign/ mark of God
---francis on 8/17/12


Satan is to smart for christians to simply worship an explicit beastly image of himself. Instead Satan would like to take a good thing for christians into a god thing for christians to distract them from doing true godly things. For example, Isaiah 44 the man and wood, love of denomination to the point of bashing others (1 corinth 3:4), love of peace to the point of over tolerance (Rev 3 Thyatira) or inactivity (Sardis), or any of the other churchs in Rev (except Smyrna, Jesus did not have any negative comments).
---Scott1 on 8/17/12


You can't be worshipping the Antichrist if he or she is not here.

To worry about it at this point is simply paranoia.

But I will say that those who are waiting for a pre-trib rapture will be among the first to fall down and worship him/her.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/12


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