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Pro-Life And War

If Christians claim to be pro-life, how is it that they are the biggest supporters of war and the military?

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markv
i find it amusing & sad for you to name call when people disagree with you just like pat robertson who is self righteous & name calls when people disagrees with him. still the native indians are the original people not the US. and you cannot answer the fact that my history is still right about reagan supported dictators who murdered for profit, oil & bases not freedom.
---mike on 9/11/12


Atheist, I offered, "when God had the Jews attack enemy people, He did not have them killing ones who were innocent. When He torched Sodom and Gomorrah, He first had His angels remove Lot and his wife and daughters."

And you asked, "And why did god remove Lot and his family?"

Because they weren't the evil that the people of Sodom were doing. So, God got them out before torching Sodom.

Jed, you asked, "What innocent people do our soldiers kill in wars?" On the Net, I think you can find the facts of how many noncombatant Iraqis were killed by the American military . . . more than a hundred thousand, I think, mostly by air attacks, not by soldiers on the ground.
---willie_c: on 9/11/12


Mike, your understanding of US history is wrong, you said:
"markv how many countries did US take over? let me see..this land is NOT white americans..."
You seem to imply that the US took over the US. How can that be? When those settlers came to this land they were not the US taking over the land of the indians. It was not the US yet, but became the USA. Before they came Indians took over the land of other Indians. And before then, Mexicans took over the land of the Indians. And the Spaniards took over Mexico. And so on. The same was happening in the Roman Empire, Russia, and other countries. Call it what it is, Sin. Power, wealth, greed, just plain sin.
Your mind is corrupted with hate, as Allan's.
---Mark_V. on 9/11/12


Jed,

Human beings are animals.

You are an animal.
---atheist on 9/11/12


Atheist, good try.

We have done this before and you have no answer. You cannot show where Jesus commands other than good, no evil, let alone stoning. But you do not have the integrity to admit the obvious. The Christian has Christ-given morality outside of himself, morality of long existence, outside of any person. Had I never been born God's morality would be just as concrete.Conversely if your belief is correct then you (as Dawkins freely admits) have nothing other than personal feelings. Your best inclinations cannot be any more than the product of evolved chemical reactions. You therefore have nothing concrete against which to judge if your thinking is correct. In all honestly you cannot have it both ways.
---Warwick on 9/11/12




mike: Who rattled your cage? What dictator did you live under? Yes, I'm old enough to remember when America was great - before all the atheist, hippie, communist freaks began to ruin everything.


A theist: I think you have convinced us that you are indeed an amoral animal - or is it vegetable?


---jerry6593 on 9/11/12


Warwick,


We have been there and done that.

You have no foundation either. If you do, then you better drag me to the outback and stone me....
---atheist on 9/10/12


markv
what a lame excuse. we are all sinners? is that how YOU justify sin? benefit of the US? how selfish...i experienced living under a dictatorship & saw the abuses corruption murders. that is shocking & reagan is more focused on keeping a dictator than freedom bec. of strategic interest. you jed, jerry6593 were too young to understand it. you complain of government interference but that is NOTHING compared to the abuses of the dictator we lived under supported by US guns. you guys were probably chasing girls that is why you just resort to name calling.
---mike on 9/10/12


Atheist, I trust the import for you in Dawkins admission below is not lost on you. He is open about the fact that there is no concrete foundation for morality in the atheistic/evolutionary system. Just what we have been pointing out to you. Dawkins is telling you your best impulses, and I am sure you have them, are just you personal feelings, a product of your brain chemistry. Therefore no one is obliged to agree with your personal concept of right and wrong.
---Warwick on 9/10/12


markv

how many countries did US take over? let me see..this land is NOT white americans... the original people were the native americans. i used to think that the american indians were the bad guys but if another is stealing your land you will defend it.
---mike on 9/10/12




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A theist: "In the end, the distinction of life or not life may eventually be blurred...."

And it appears that is what you are trying to prove in your own case!

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---jerry6593 on 9/10/12


"Animal, vegetable and mineral may also be on the way out."

Warwick,

There may be more truth in that statement than you would really care to appreciate. In the end, the distinction of life or not life may eventually be blurred....
---atheist on 9/9/12


Wait, is atheist actually telling us he doesn't know the difference between an animal and a human being? Okay, you're how old again atheist? You seriously don't know the difference between an animal and a human? Definately not ready for the "difference between boys and girls" conversation with your parents yet.
---Jed on 9/9/12


Atheist, animal, vegetable or mineral is a human classification of convenience. Like many other classifications is may change, as new information contradicts old information. Scientific beliefs constantly change. In 1890 in the evolutionary model is was claimed there were 180 vestigal organs in the human body, that is organs of no current use, left overs from our supposed evolution. Do some research and you will find by 1999 there were 0 left. In between times evolutionists still insisted these were proof of human evolution from primate ancestors. Now knowledgeable evolutionists avoid the issue. It is still taught in schools as fact! As new information appears old ideas are scrapped. Animal, vegetable and mineral may also be on the way out.
---Warwick on 9/9/12


Atheist, when doing some research I came upon the quote below, which casts interesting light upon the atheists lack of concrete moral foundation, as we have discussed.

Jaron Lanier: "There's a large group of people who simply are uncomfortable with accepting evolution because it leads to what they perceive as a moral vacuum, in which their best impulses have no basis in nature."

Richard Dawkins: "All I can say is, Thats just tough. We have to face up to the truth."

Evolution: The dissent of Darwin, Psychology Today 30(1):62, Jan-Feb 1997.
---Warwick on 9/9/12


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A theist: "Prove you are not an animal..."

Name any animal that can communicate unassisted over the internet. Only humans can do that. Since I am currently doing that, I am human. You, on the other hand, are also a God-created human, but with a brain so defective that you think you're an animal.

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---jerry6593 on 9/9/12


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Jerry,

Prove you are not an animal...


Are you animal mineral or vegetable?
---atheist on 9/8/12


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Jed: Good call on the atheist's cartoon ignorance. But what do you expect from a guy who thinks that he IS an animal, and is descended from rats & cats. You and I are descended from our supernatural God, but not him. He is a lower life form.

It is also strange to me how this animal-derived morality ends up loving to murder millions of innocent children while decrying the execution of even one murderous criminal.

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---jerry6593 on 9/8/12


Allen, why don't you read your Bible. You will see that God supports war and military. Yes, he is a God of justice.

Again, the most sickening part of Allen's question is that he is comparing innocent unborn babies who have done nothing to deserve death with vicous dictators, murderers, and terrorists who attack innocent civilians.
---Jed on 9/6/12


Good point, kjh37.

St. Nicholas Kassatkin, the Enlightener of and Apostle to Japan, had to deal with a very conflicting issue during the Russo-Japanese war.

He himself was still a subject of the Tsar, whom his Japanese spiritual children were fighting against.

He told them that going to war out of hatred for the enemy was always wrong. If they went to war out of love for country and to protect their homeland, that was laudable.

During the hostilities, he refused to celebrate Divine Liturgy or any other service, because he would have to pray for his spiritual children to be defeated and killed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/6/12


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I cannot speak for all Christians, but I am prolife and support war WHEN NECESSARY. It is acceptable to support war when it is necessary, as in when we are threatened and must engage defensively. Unfortunatly, most wars going on today are not necessary.
---kjh37 on 9/6/12


Atheist, the Jerry of Tom & Jerry was a cartoon mouse, not a cat. Tom was the cat. Bright one.
---Jed on 9/6/12


Jerry,

I forgot you are a cat. (Tom and Jerry.) Cartoon-like in all ways always.
---atheist on 9/6/12


\\Allan: You still haven't answered my question. Are you a Muslim, a Communist, or both - like Obama?---jerry6593 \\

jerry, you don't answer direct questions I put to you, so you're in no position to complain that others don't answer your questions.

As if you didn't know, mahometans believe in some kind of deity. Communists, however, are atheists. Therefore, it's impossible to be a mahometan and Communist at the same time.

Based on his personal behavior, whatever Obama may be, he's NOT a mahometan.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/6/12


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A theist: What's up with you and your cartoon characters? Do you need another god?


---jerry6593 on 9/6/12


Allan: You still haven't answered my question. Are you a Muslim, a Communist, or both - like Obama?---jerry6593

Jerry, are you a rodent like Mickey, or a duck like Daffy.

Inquiring minds want to know.
---atheist on 9/5/12


Yeah, Go Warwick! So true.
---Jed on 9/4/12


Allan, or maybe N'alla, I am not from the USA but believe it is a great nation, and has fought for freedom many times. Read your history and you will see the US fought alongside many nations in WW1 for freedom, at great personnel and financial loss, and at no gain to itself. In WW2 the US fought long and hard, with massive personnel and financial loss, for the freedom of others. They invaded Germany and Japan, staying only (at their own cost) setting both countries up to be economically successful democratic countries. They still are today.

Having said all this no country is perfect but the US is way ahead of most. Can you name a successful democracy in the Middle East other than Israel?
---Warwick on 9/4/12


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Allan, I'm sorry you are disappointed on me. You are disappointed on just about everything. I'm disappointed at you also. You have no clue on how to be thankful for. You have taken everything for granted. All the needs you could need have been given to you. You have enough to eat, a place to live, freedom to buy what you want, freedom to worship whom you want. If you lived in another country, you could not say the things you say about that country without been put in jail. You have it made here, and you are still complaining. Try another country if we are so bad. Millions are coming here, they are not leaving.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/12


Mark V:

I am disappointed in you.

I have learnt my American history, in America and from good, christian Americans and American books.

Resorting to name-calling as those who are not able to pursue an issue reasonably and factually is functioning less than your best self.

From you, I expected solid reason, contrary facts and thoughtfulness. That is far more helpful than unnecessary appellation and extreme references.

That is disappointing!

History does not have to be pleasant. It is what it is!
---Allan on 9/3/12


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Allan: You still haven't answered my question. Are you a Muslim, a Communist, or both - like Obama?

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---jerry6593 on 9/3/12


Allan, you have too much hate in your heart. You hate America so much, you should leave, so you can make room because millions are trying to come in.
I only know of three reasons you whin about America, you are either an Islamic fundalmentalist passing hate among us, or black, complaining about the past, because of what happen to the black people the past 70 something years, or you are from another country, envious of those who live here. You cannot be latino or Asian, because they are coming in by the millions for a better life. We might not have every freedom, but we have more then any other country. If you cannot find love here, there is a lot of love waiting for you in Sudan, maybe you are there already and hate not been here.
---Mark_V. on 9/3/12


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Mark v:

I know that this is difficult for you, but do this.

In the last 70 years, name the countries that America has freed and compare the number of countries invaded and number of people killed, for the same time period.

And while you are doing that, please define freedom? And please think dispassionately about the idea and the experience of freedom, in America, today.

And all of this must be viewed in the context that within that same 70 years, tens of millions of American citizens were not free, in America?



---Allan on 9/2/12


Allan, you said,
"So, if I lived in Canada, Iceland or New Zealand, would I be as free since those countries are not known for their military, killing sprees?" Those countries you mentioned had many die in wars, sometimes in the same battles as ours.


"We (USA) don't take over other countries".
You just invade, occupy, kill and plunder."
As I said, we don't take over other countries. We have invaded many, who need to be invaded for the freedom of others.

"We (USA)are the biggest country in the world who stand for Freedom". Many countries have freedom because our man died for their freedom.
We are the biggest country in the world with the best freedom.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/12


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Allan: You didn't answer my question. Are you a Muslim, a Communist, or both - like Obama?

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---jerry6593 on 9/2/12


Patricia, your statement:"This great nation the USA that was founded on the word of God" Suggested that you do not realize that more than one-third of the American population were slaves and were enclosed on reservations. And those millions of people were not considered nor treated as human beings. And wonderful statements like, "We hold that all men are created equal" obviously did not apply to the millions of blacks and Indians within the country, the USA.

I believe that God's standards and His expectations of those who claim faith in Him are much loftier and are never discriminatory, on the basis of race.
---Allan on 9/1/12


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"The reason you have freedom is because many have died for you".

So, if I lived in Canada, Iceland or New Zealand, would I be as free since those countries are not known for their military, killing sprees?

"We (USA) don't take over other countries".

You just invade, occupy, kill and plunder.

"We (USA)are the biggest country in the world who stand for Freedom".

It would be more accurate to state that America is the loudest noise maker for freedom, but while it is making the freedom noise, its own citizens are not free, and of course, the killing sprees and the plundering have never stopped. It is a good ploy.

Mark V:
All of the above quotes are your words.
---Allan on 9/1/12


when God had the Jews attack enemy people, He did not have them killing ones who were innocent.
---willie_c: on 8/20/12
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him

Numbers 14:15 Now if thou shalt kill all this people as one man, then the nations which have heard the fame of thee will speak, saying,

Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that [was] in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.


No exception for pregnant women
---francis on 8/31/12


Instead of calling me names, I would like to suggest that you take your history books and name any four-year period that America was not in a military conflict, in the last 70 years.

In addition, list the countries that America has invaded and count the number of deaths that have been caused by those invasions. When that is done, compare that record with any country you choose.

Let us see what freedom is.

Every means of communication is monitored, every dollar spent is known by the government, every move is observed, children are not safe in their own homes, much less so, outside of it, and all public events and travel are subject to searches and criminal attack.

I would take another look at what freedom means.
---Allan on 8/31/12


The liberal institution of legalized abortion is complete insanity. Just think about it. If you kill an unhatched eagle egg you can be punished with a $250,000 fine or 2 years in prison. But if you kill an unborn human, not only is it legal, but you get taxpayer money to pay for the execution! Does that make sense to anyone? Does it make sense that if a father of an unborn baby causes the mother to miscarriage he is charged with murder, but the mother can wilfully kill her own child and it is perfectly legal? Do fathers not have just as much of a right to not have someone else killing their baby? No one thinks about fathers who want to have their baby and have to allow their own child to be killed by it's mother.
---Jed on 8/29/12


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Allan I agree with Mark regarding the freedoms you have to say what you want in this great nation the USA that was founded on the word of God. True freedom is allowing Jesus to change your heart because (Matthew 15:19 says for out of the heart precedes evil thoughts, murders, adultery, fornication, thefts, false witness and blasphemies). Allan you will never understand true freedom until you meet our Savior Jesus Christ. Jesus said in (John 14:6 He is the Way, Truth and Life and no one comes to the Father but by Me).
---Patricia on 8/29/12


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Allan: Are you a Muslim, a Communist, or both - like Obama?

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---jerry6593 on 8/29/12


Allan, you are speaking from a bias point of view. How many countries have the United States taken over? How many countries did Russia take over? Can you not count? you make it sound like we are the worst country in the world. What, are you blind? We are the biggest country in the world who stand for Freedom. We might not help every country, but there is reasons for that. I don't know from what country you are from, but if you are from here, the reason you have freedom is because many have died for you. If you were living in Sudan, you would have died already. Or Samalia. You should be thanking God you live in the United States.
---Mark_V. on 8/29/12


The history of America is one of a marauding force that kills and plunders, at will. Many may chose to ignore that bloodthirstiness, but it would very interesting if anyone could name a country that has invaded more countries and has killed more people than the USA, in the last 70 years.
Or name a country that has been in more military conflicts than the peace loving, USA. Further, name a country that has spent more on war and the preparations for war, while some of its ex-service men live in poverty than the USA.

When one speaks so loudly and so often about virtues, an attempt should, at least, be made to match the rhetoric with the action.
---Allan on 8/28/12


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Mike, get a grip on things. Don't you realize everyone is a sinner? There is no one without sin. Not one. You are looking at one case from your point of view, because you are bias. But if you knew what went inside our goverment you would be shocked as to who we support, and who we give money to. It is for the benefit of the U.S. Almost every single country is at fault. No one is clean. Everyone has an interest. Some countries want to take over other countries, we don't take over other countries. We should be so happy that China doesn't take over other countries as Russia, Germany, Japan did, because no one would be able to stop them. When their need for oil becomes great, watch out.
---Mark_V. on 8/28/12


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Mike: OK, come clean. Are you a Communist, or do you just expouse Marxist ideology for fun? You sound just like Obama and his ilk - you never met a communist dictator you didn't like. Do you refer to him as "dear leader"?

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---jerry6593 on 8/28/12


Wow, what kind of nut cases has mike been listening to?
---Jed on 8/27/12


mark

keep your enemies closer? reagan called saddam an 'ally' in the 80s providing intelligence to fight the iranians.
so that means that you agree US supported dictators in the past.

and jerry you sound just like pat robertson. when somebody exposes the truth, you call them 'communist'. i guess you are too young when drug dealers like noriega, dictators like marcos, shah where called allies by reagan, bush sr.
---mike on 8/27/12


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//Sorry, my post was for Mike, not Jerry.
---Jed on 8/24/12
//

Thanks, Jed. I wondered about that. I recently heard a quote to the effect that America can survive another 4 years of Obama, but it can't survive another 4 years of people like Mike.


---jerry6593 on 8/26/12


Patriotism has a way of drowning out Christ's teachings regarding His Kingdom. But in the history of the church, Christians were pacifists until the age of Constantine. And so were notables like Moody and Spurgeon. See quotes from them on facebook for Christian Pacifism. If anyone really want to study it, see the reviews of Christian Pacifsm: Fruit of the Narrow Way on amazon or b and n.
---sdcougar on 8/25/12


Mike, you are so wrong in the way you think. It must be some kind of cancer. Do you even know that every president has friends and enemies? Have you heard the quote,
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?"
Every country does that. Because of sin, there is people you can trust, and then there is people you cannot trust. Everyone is watching their backs. It is all about what their interest is. We make friends with bad people for our own interest, so does every country in the world. Everybody wants something other have. We have treaties with so many countries. This country cannot fight a conventional war by ourselves. other countries have to help. We make alot of treaths but only deal with issues we can control.
---Mark_V. on 8/25/12


Sorry, my post was for Mike, not Jerry.
---Jed on 8/24/12


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Mike: It sounds like you've been steeped in Communist propaganda.

why don't YOU brush up with history. obviously you don't know dictators like marcos, shah of iran, noriega...your ronald reagan is a friend of marcos
---mike on 8/24/12


Jerry, it sounds like you don't have a clue of what is really going on.
---Jed on 8/24/12


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Mike: It sounds like you've been steeped in Communist propaganda.

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---jerry6593 on 8/24/12


Allan: "Since WWII, the American military has killed tens of millions"

You need to brush up on your history pal. The only Americans who have killed that many people (and more) are those in abortion clinics.
jerry

what about US supporting dictators with weapons & money to defend self interest like oil & bases...they killed millions.
---mike on 8/23/12


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Allan, your wrong. Christians are not supporters of wars. They are not out to take over other countries. That is shear nonsense. The weapons of Christians are not carnal but spiritual (2 Cor. 10:4: Eph. 6:10-20). The majority of humans are not Christians and do not turn the other cheek as Jesus would have them. They prepare to defend themselves. If the US was not powerful Russian could have taken over the world, they took over many countries with their military. Hitler did the same and so did Japan taken over China and other countries. Sin is the problem. Children die because of sin. Christians should be pro-life. No matter what life it is. innocent people will alway die in wars. It is a spiritual war Christians fight against sin.
---Mark_V. on 8/23/12


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Allan: "Since WWII, the American military has killed tens of millions"

You need to brush up on your history pal. The only Americans who have killed that many people (and more) are those in abortion clinics.


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---jerry6593 on 8/23/12


When Christians forget human life is precious and are willing to murder, robbing those of any future for finding salvation, then war becomes viable.

When Christians forget the taking of a human life, via abortion, is a sign of a broken humanity, and the only answer is passing laws - forgetting it is the victims' heart which must be reached - confrontation becomes the battle, not changing the hearts of the women.

When Christians forget Christianity survived quite nicely under the most evil empire the earth has ever seen - Rome, then we become concerned with things of the world and not in sharing, witnessing and living our lives at risk for one another.
---chip on 8/22/12


So now Allen is using the sad fact that innocent people have died as casulties of war to justify abortion? I'm not really sure what one has to do with the other but pro-lifers don't support the killing of innocent people in war as Allen suggests. I don't think anyone wants that. It's a sad fact that it happens but pro-lifers aren't to blame for innocent people dying in war. It's also not the pro-lifer's fault that war exists. Nobody wants there to be war, but it's a fact of life that will never cease to exist, just like death and pain. I don't support war, I support the military who protects us from it. Supporting our military doesn't mean that we like war and like people dying. Next Allen will blame the fact that death exists on us too.
---Jed on 8/22/12


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1st Cliff,

I like your post - a lot.

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---James_L on 8/22/12


Ist Cliff, you raised a very relevant point: should professing christian be as passionate about the lives of the unborn as they are about the lives of the children and the adults that are already here?

interesting how abortion dulls the senses. Why not take the lives of the innocent babies because mankind hasn't figured out how to help all of the people who are living now. When the option to choose makes any life an option then the lives of the people currently living and breathing are far less valuable. the choice to legally kill by abortion has put a veil on the eyes of the world leaving all with their conscious seared from the 50 million lives killed by their own mothers.
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/22/12


Allan, what are you talking about? Nothing you just said is true. When was the last time our military dropped a bomb on a city killing millions of people? Probably hasn't happened since WWII. And even then it was on cities that had already been evacuated of residents and were strictly military zones under marshal law. But you are talking about archaic tactics that aren't even used in modern warfare. Our soldiers today use tactics that target specific individuals, not masses of citizens. You obviously have no idea what really goes on over there.
---Jed on 8/22/12


Jed: There is no need to direct your vitriolic verbiage at me.

If a military carpet bombs a city, who do they intend to kill?

And if preserving and protecting life are the expressed objectives, how is it that tens of millions of men, women and children have been killed?

I would never describe myself as pro-this or pro-that. I am man, created by God, imbued with a magnificence that impels me to see magnificence in other people, even when their views differ from mine.

Since WWII, the American military has killed tens of millions of people and professing christians are the biggest supporters, in those killing sprees across the world.

Is that the example that Jesus set?
---Allan on 8/22/12


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In the eyes of those who call themselves pro-life, any disagreement with position, immediately cast the individual into the wrong.

Life is precious before it is born and it is should, at least, be as precious after it is born.

Ist Cliff, you raised a very relevant point: should professing christian be as passionate about the lives of the unborn as they are about the lives of the children and the adults that are already here?

And what would Jesus's position be? The Gospels have answered that last question in the most demonstrable positive fashion.
---Allan on 8/22/12


Is knowing another's purpose in life something that comes from being a Christian?
---atheist on 8/21/12

I see them on blogs everywhere. Perhaps you have seen them too. People who come on and blog an outrageous statement and are never seen again.

Where is Allan? Why has he not returned to converse with us? Does he really want an answer?

And why do you defend him?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/22/12


Mark,

Is knowing another's purpose in life something that comes from being a Christian?
---atheist on 8/21/12


I am Anti Abortion, but I try to never refer to myself as Pro Life.

I know that Pro Life is an indicator of one's stance on abortion, and in that specific context I am Pro Life.

But Pro Life in general? not hardly.

I believe the death penalty is useful. But when a man can be on death row for 25 years, and die of natural causes years before his scheduled execution, that's stupid. That's also one of the reasons why hardened criminals aren't afraid of the death penalty anymore than a 30 year sentence.

If the death penalty were administered within one year, it could be used as an example to deter crime

War is good in some cases, too. And it causes death.
---James_L on 8/21/12


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I feel sad for you Allan.

Your purpose in life is to get on blogs and use the SHOCK factor and stir up trouble. You don't really want to dialogue, you want to accuse.

To me, you are in the same category as hackers. You do not build instead you tear down. You do not encourage, instead you criticize.

You are the boy who cried WOLF! Why don't you get on a airplane and yell BOMB? Or go to a movie and yell FIRE?

Better yet, just go away.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/21/12


Let me state at the outset that I'm anti-abortion!
Elections are being fought over this issue,but what about the 30,000 children who die each and every day of malnutrition and hunger related illnesses?
Is the same emotion and passion being spent on this issue?
Concern for the unborn is one thing but how about those who are allready here?
---1st_cliff on 8/21/12


\\How is it that those who are pro-abortion (they cannot be called Christian) are the biggest opponents of the death penalty as well as the military that protects them?
---jerry6593 on 8/21/12\\

I am against the death penalty. Jesus gave the qualifications for the executioners in John 8.

As far as the military, I look upon it as a necessary evil in a fallen world, like the police force. However, I am against the short-sighted policies over the last 50 years that have bled us by killing our service persons in countries that are not attacking us.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/21/12


Allan, you really are sick aren't you? You're actually comparing an innocent baby to vicious dictators, terrorists, and those who are willing to fight and kill for evil? There's a difference between murder and justice. Murder is when you kill an innocent human being that has done nothing to deserve death. Justice is when you kill someone who hurt other people and deserves death. If you don't know the difference then you should seek professional help because you don't know innocent from guilty.

Willie C., What innocent people do our soldiers kill in wars? The soldiers who are shooting at you and are willing to fight and kill to defend evil? I don't know of any pro-lifers who support killing innocent women and children in war.
---Jed on 8/21/12


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Willie,

And why did god remove Lot and his family?
---atheist on 8/21/12


There is a difference between being a war-hawk who is ready to fight at the drop of a hat. To pushovers like during the 1920's and 30's where governments tried to outlaw war which started a series of appeasments most notably Hitler and Chamberlin. Problem being the way to outlaw war is to have a war. Sometimes war is unavoidable WWII, Osama, other times it is because we (USA) are the superpower and the "good guys" (though we are not perfect) need to maintain the current balance of power: Iraq 1 and 2, Kosovo, Korea, Vietnam and many others.
My point is that war is bad but willing to serve for the good of USA and Matt 5 "Blessed are the peacemakers." Also we do not want to see what to soldiers after Vietnam.
---Scott1 on 8/21/12


How is it that those who are pro-abortion (they cannot be called Christian) are the biggest opponents of the death penalty as well as the military that protects them?


---jerry6593 on 8/21/12


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