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Was Jesus Sinless

Regarding the question "was Jesus Sinless?" It is not scriptural that Jesus had sin or became sin or took sin upon Himself. If that was the case He could not have been able to be "the perfect sacrifice that took away our sins"!

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"They make GOD responsible for sin." -Samuelbb7 on 1/7/13

How's do gather from one who believes in predestination that they "make God responsible for sin"? It's unbelievers like you that despise predestination come to such conclusion. Heard of the doctrine that God is Sovereign and man will be held accountable? That's predestination in a nutshell for you.

"God holds no man responsible for sin." Phil

How did you get to this conclusion? Believers in Christ still sin and God chastises them but their sin will never send them to hell on the account of their faith in Christ. Whereas unbelievers will die in their sins and be sent to hell.
---christan on 1/8/13


What makes you think Adam was not saved? God wrapped both he and Eve in animal skins, a type of covering, first killing an animal to do so. The first of many types and shadows of Jesus sacrifice.

Cain on his own failed to obey God and bring a blood sacrifice.

Christian, you teach a false gospel.
---kathr4453 on 1/8/13


Ruben, your use of Scriptures is really out of context. Using James 1:12-15 is not even close in context to what I was discussing, and that was the "love of God".

My point was in what Samuelbb7 said, ""To get it to work the supporters have ignore that GOD loves everyone and wants all to be saved." That's because God does not love "everyone".

If He did love "everyone", He wouldn't have declared to us "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Which simply means God also hated Adam, Cain, Pharaoh, Herod, Judas... the list goes on.

So, read carefully before you expose your foolish heart.
---christan on 1/8/13


Maybe you'd like to tell Adam, Cain, Pharaoh, Esau etc. that God failed to save them though He loved them.
---christan on 1/8/13

Christan,

Of course God did not failed they did it on their own:

James 1:12-15

"Let no one say when he is tempted, I am tempted by God, for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death."
---Ruben on 1/8/13


They make GOD responsible for sin. --Samuelbb7 on 1/7/13

We are accountable for our actions. When we are in His presence, we will give an account of all we have done, good and evil.

God has taken responsibility for our sins. As the One Who created all things, and all things are out of Him, He is responsible.

The same would be true of anyone who formed something that failed to perform correctly.

In His justice, His Son was sacrificed for sins. God took responsibility and gave His only-begotten Son for a corresponding ransom.

God holds no man responsible for sin. Sin has been dealt with by the Precious Blood of the Lamb.

It is now unbelief that condemns.
---Phil on 1/8/13




"The problem with predestination is that while some Bible passages seem to support it." Samuelbb7

Predestination is a problem? Wasn't the coming Messiah prophesied in Isaiah 53 and confirmed in 1 Peter 1:19,20 that He was "foreordained" to die? If the Head of the church was predestined to "die for the sins of His people", what makes you think God never predestined everything that happened in the past, present and future?

"To get it to work the supporters have ignore that GOD loves everyone and wants all to be saved."

Maybe you'd like to tell Adam, Cain, Pharaoh, Esau etc. that God failed to save them though He loved them.
---christan on 1/8/13


Samuelbb7, the passages you gave to argue against predestination do not support your view. (Matt. 18:11) is speaking of God's children who are lost. The elect chosen from the foundation of the world. They are descendants of Adam born in sin, lost.
(Matt. 18:14) He came to save that which was lost, it is the elect He is talking about, it cannot be that He came to save those others who died already in their sins. Or else He could not save them. Because He came to late.
(2 Peter 3:9) is also talking about the elect, the children of God, the beloved in (v.8) the (us) (v.9) the any in (v.9) Not willing that any should perish, God wait patiently for them to be born and then saved. The wicked he already told us are reserved for fire in (v. 6).
---Mark_V. on 1/8/13


Jhn 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

The problem with predestination is that while some Bible passages seem to support it. To get it to work the supporters have ignore that GOD loves everyone and wants all to be saved. They make GOD responsible for sin.

Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Mat 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/7/13


"Jews reject the word of God while many Gentiles did not!" Ruben

That's because it's God's will for now that it should be that way according to Paul in Romans 10 & 11. Go read it. As for anyone rejecting the Word (don't think for once that it's only the Jews, multitudes of Gentiles - more than the population of the Jews reject the Word everyday!)

As for one that rejects, Peter says, "And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: WHEREUNTO ALSO THEY WERE APPOINTED."

Just as the elect are chosen by God, so too are the reprobate and all to the glory and praise of God.
---christan on 1/7/13


"Research appointed in the Greek for Acts 13:48.You might find it very interesting. Matthew 28:18-20 is good too." pg1

Research? What's there to research? It says what it says, that those who believed are those who has been ordained/appointed to eternal life by God - meaning, they were chosen which Romans 9 and Ephesians 1 duly confirms - and mind you, before the foundations of the world.

I do not read nor write Greek but does that mean the KJV or any of the English version of Scriptures has been wrongly translated? Or that someone who has no knowledge of Greek cannot be saved?

As for Matthew 28:18-20, the context is - it's the duty of the Christian to preach the Gospel as commanded by Jesus.
---christan on 1/7/13




"Research appointed in the Greek for Acts 13:48.You might find it very interesting. Matthew 28:18-20 is good too." pg1

Research? What's there to research? It says what it says, that those who believed are those who has been ordained/appointed to eternal life by God - meaning, they were chosen which Romans 9 and Ephesians 1 duly confirms - and mind you, before the foundations of the world.

I do not read nor write Greek but does that mean the KJV or any of the English version of Scriptures has been wrongly translated? Or that someone who has no knowledge of Greek cannot be saved?

As for Matthew 28:18-20, the context is - it's the duty of the Christian to preach the Gospel as commanded by Jesus.
---christan on 1/7/13


Christan
Research appointed in the Greek for Acts 13:48.You might find it very interesting. Matthew 28:18-20 is good too.
---pg1 on 1/7/13


"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and AS MANY AS WERE ORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE BELIEVED." Acts 13:48

This verse give credence to God's sovereign election doesn't it? And in election it's God who chooses, not man. It doesn't even say those who heard the Word believed by their own "free-will" does it? That's because it's not how one believes in and go to Christ.
---christan on 1/4/13

If that is the case then why would Paul say "Then Paul and Barnabas said boldly: To you it behoved us first to speak the word of God: but because you reject it ,-

Jews reject the word of God while many Gentiles did not!
---Ruben on 1/7/13


Phil, Jesus godly nature never died. The incarnated Jesus human body died. And rose again in a glorified physical body. ---Mark_V. on 1/6/13

When anyone dies, their whatever "nature", never dies either. That would be the soul. Jesus soul and or spirit never died. No one's "NATURE" lives or dies. What exactly is a NATURE anyway?

Is Jesus a la carte? Disected into many parts?
---kathr4453 on 1/7/13


Shira, I've shown you two clear verses in Acts 13:48 and 1 Peter 2:8 that the elect and the reprobates are already ordained before the foundations of the world. So how you ever misunderstood it as I contradicted myself is truly beyond me.

Why evangelise if God has already chosen? Simple, did God tell you who He has chosen apart from the fact He told us He has chosen? NO! That's why the Christian evangelise or you evangelise is because you want the glory to yourself for being the one to save the sinner and not God?
---christan on 1/7/13


christian, you contradicted yourself. you said they rejected God and then you come back with the elect being saved. do you still think men don't have free will. if certain ones are elected to be saved, then why are we told to evangalize and live like a christian because it won't affect anyone since they are some that won't be saved anyway. I don't understand your reasoning.
---shira4368 on 1/7/13


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Phil, His spirit did go back to God. His human spirit. Jesus in His humanity had a human soul and a human spirit just like all human beings. The Scriptures not only bear testimony to the physical characteristics of the human body of the incarnate Christ, but also speak specifically of the fact that He possessed a human rational soul and spirit just like all of us.
"My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death" (Matt. 26:38). This could hardly be attributed to His divine nature .
In regard to His human spirit,
"When Jesus had thus said, He was troubled in the spirit" (John 13:21). Jesus Christ the Son of God possessed a human body including a soul and a spirit.
---Mark_V. on 1/7/13


Phil, you obviously have a serious problem in that you do not belief that Jesus Christ is God and came in the flesh to make that perfect atonement for His people that no man can ever achieve.

Do you even know that the reason why God sends a soul to the Lake of Fire is because of unbelief that His Son is God? Your unbelief of who He is and why He became flesh has acted out in your rejection and understanding of who Christ truly is.

You can quote all the Scriptures you want, but I'll say this, it's not going to save you. That's because quoting verses after verses, the one main important factor to salvation is not there, "faith in the Lord Jesus Christ".
---christan on 1/6/13


when Jesus died, He went to the bosom of Abraham. hell is a prepared place for satan and his minions. Jesus did not go to hell...ever
---shira4368 on 1/6/13


---Mark_V. on 1/6/13

Mark, I labor with you because I esteem you. You are sincere and honest to a fault.

"Jesus godly nature never died", you say. In this, you are correct.

The spirit returns to God at death, and the soul returns to the unseen. Jesus died, He was dead. He went to "hell" for three days, the place where all the souls of the departed go.

Lk 23:46 "Father, into Thy hands am I committing My spirit."

All spirits, ours included, return to God at death. He is the Father of spirits. He alone is Spirit. Jesus' spirit departed from Him at death, and returned to God.

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
---Phil on 1/6/13


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Phil, Jesus godly nature never died. The incarnated Jesus human body died. And rose again in a glorified physical body. Only those outside the Christian faith are cults. The Lord Jesus is very much alive. Seating at the right hand of the Father, in Spirit in the hearts of those who believe by faith.
There is only One who is Holy, and that is God.
"Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary they wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 1:20).

"The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: "wherefore also the Holy Thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:35).
---Mark_V. on 1/6/13


"Are you saying Jesus never died like all men? That God could possibly die is insanity. Who could take away God's life? There is none greater..." Phil

You have failed to understand the gravity of, "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."
Galatians 4:4-7

So, guess what? By your own confession, you have not inherited anything from Christ.
---christan on 1/6/13


"Are you saying Jesus never died like all men? That God could possibly die is insanity. Who could take away God's life? There is none greater..." Phil

Jesus dying as a man does not deny Him of his deity that He is God. As the Son of God, Jesus before He became man was firstly Spirit like the Father. John described it brilliantly, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

This is Jude's warning, "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 1:4
---christan on 1/5/13


---Mark_V. on 1/5/13

Ro 5:12 Therefore, even as through one human sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and thus death passed through into all mankind, on which all sinned.

Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

It is impossible for God to die. This is basic to the understanding of deity, do you believe God can die? I do not.

Death happens to humans, not
God. Christ Jesus was a man, begotten of God's Holy Spirit.

Are you saying Jesus never died like all men? That God could possibly die is insanity. Who could take away God's life? There is none greater...
---Phil on 1/5/13


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Phil, you are absolutely wrong in your answer about Jesus Christ. Your interpretation of (2 Cor. 5:21) is very wrong. Jesus never became sin. He is God. Pure and holy. When the Bible tells us He became sin for us, it is talking about substitution. He was treated as if He had sin, and found guilty. He was substituting on our behalf. We were the guilty ones. Here the principle of imputation is given. He was treated as if He were a sinner though He was not, and had Him die as a substitute to pay the penalty for the sins of those who would believe in Him (Isa. 53:4-6: Gal. 3:10-13: 1 Peter 2:24). On the cross He did not become a sinner as you suggest, but remained Holy as ever. In His humanity and His Deity He was always sinless.
---Mark_V. on 1/5/13


"They refuse his words" shira

Yes, they rejected His Word. But do you know why? "And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: WHEREUNTO ALSO THEY WERE APPOINTED." 1 Peter 2:8 - just as those who are saved are elected to believe, so too are those who reject. Nothing to do with your "free-will" imagination.

"Then why do you feel you were chosen?"

Did I ever said I was an elect or chosen? I'm merely telling you that according to the Scriptures, God has elected, period. And clearly His election has nothing to do with the sinner choosing Him, but rather they go to His Son is because He has chosen them.
---christan on 1/4/13


"Tell me why your interpretation is the correct one?" shira

And you think it's down to interpretation? Here, read this and see if there's any interpretation needed, "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and AS MANY AS WERE ORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE BELIEVED." Acts 13:48

This verse give credence to God's sovereign election doesn't it? And in election it's God who chooses, not man. It doesn't even say those who heard the Word believed by their own "free-will" does it? That's because it's not how one believes in and go to Christ.
---christan on 1/4/13


james, only the born again will enter heaven. you should know that if you read your bible.
---shira4368 on 1/4/13


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cluny, I have yet to memorize the bible and I would guess you haven't either. what is next without you looking it up. I look up things everyday. If you can't tell when the Holy Spirit is present then you are missing out. anyone who is convicted by the Holy Spirit has no doubt about it. I do know the elect are the saved. I do not believe certain ones are elected to be saved..that is not biblical. I believe we have a choice to accept or reject. cluny, why do you jump on everyone and act so condesending???
---shira4368 on 1/4/13


christan * 1. If He did, then no one should go to hell.

They refuse his words:

Mark 9:43- And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell"

christan * 2.If you've been elected to salvation by God, what's there for you to "choose or reject"?

His teaching:

"After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him." (JHN 6:66)

christan * 3.Did God tell you who in particular He has chosen?

Then why do you feel you were chosen?

christan * For it's ONLY through the Word that God's elect will be called.

Tell me why your interpretation is the correct one?
---Ruben on 1/4/13


It is scriptural

2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
---michael_e on 1/4/13


God said that our Lord was holy (Luke 1:35), was not tried by sin (Heb.4:15), did no sin (1 Peter 2:22), knew no sin (2 Cor.5:21), could not sin (1 John 3:9), but "died for our sins" (1 Cor.15:3), for "God makes Him [to be] sin for our sakes that we may be becoming God's righteousness in Him" (2 Cor.5:21).

He was made sin. Sin for sin is the rule and requirement of God.

Death sealed Jesus into sin. No one dies unless made sin. Were He not made sin, death could not operate. In dying, He was made sin.
---Phil on 1/4/13


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\\ If He did, then no one should go to hell and neither should there be hell.\\

Jesus said that hell was created first for "the devil and his angels."

\\For it's ONLY through the Word that God's elect will be called.\\

This is a good point, christan. However remember that the Word is now Incarnate as Jesus Christ. And there was a time that many Calvinists were AGAINST missionary activity, they felt it wasn't necessary.

**" I am one of the elect because I chose to listen to the Holy Spirit drawing me." shira**

And how do you know FOR SURE it's the Holy Spirit drawing you, shira?

Happy New Year!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 1/4/13


shira and christian,looking at your posts,wat do you s believe in who gets to heaven?
---jamea3475 on 1/4/13


SHIRA on 1/4/13 - The elect are saved they can choose ?

Question , IF a person chooses - That person would have to do something, to get right With God - The problem being anything a man does is a work , So how can a man save himself ? ( free will )


SHIRAS - on - 1/4/13 - I chose to listen to the Holy spirit ?

John 6:44 - No man can come to me except the father which has sent draw him, and I will raise him up on the last day.

( Theses people that are being called, are raise on the last day )
---RICHARDC on 1/4/13


shira4368,

1. You say - "Jesus died for every single person." If He did, then no one should go to hell and neither should there be hell. You're implying His death couldn't save the sinner at all.

2. You say - "the elect are the saved. they can choose Christ or reject." If you've been elected to salvation by God, what's there for you to "choose or reject"? Scripture never teach such a doctrine.

3. You say - "if what you say is true, why should be evangalize?" Did God tell you who in particular He has chosen? No! That's why the Christian witnesses and testifies. For it's ONLY through the Word that God's elect will be called.
---christan on 1/4/13


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" I am one of the elect because I chose to listen to the Holy Spirit drawing me." shira

Really? Is that how one goes to Christ? I have bad news for you, your testimony is definitely prove you're not an elect. I don't judge you but Scripture judges, here's why:

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:44,65

See anywhere in Christ's testimony the sinner has to choose? Nothing! It's only God who chooses. The elect sinner benefits from God's grace 100%.
---christan on 1/4/13


christian, Jesus died for every single person. I know some are confused by the "elect". while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. the elect are the saved. they can choose Christ or reject. I've heard some say only the elect will be under conviction but if you get sinners under bible preaching they will under conviction. if what you say is true, why should be evangalize? no need for a preacher either. I am one of the elect because I chose to listen to the Holy Spirit drawing me.
---shira4368 on 1/4/13


shira4368, it's disturbing to hear from "a Christian" who says, "He died for me, you and everyone in the world." Who's "EVERYONE"? Do you mean to say "everyone of His elect" or "everyone as in any Tom, Dick or Harry"?

Matthew 1:21 is very specific in saying, "for He shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins".

Later in His ministry Christ gave a better insight to who "His people" are, declaring, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." Did the Father give "everyone in the world" to His Son? According to Scripture, most definitely not!
---christan on 1/3/13


pat, you said "power in their hands"? Didn't Pilate made boast of that to Jesus before sentencing him to death? And what was Christ reply to that boast? "Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above..." John 19:11

Acts 4:27,28 - "For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done."

Who's power do you think Pilate was under the direction of? Maybe it would help you if you do read and quote from Scriptures.
---christan on 1/3/13


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barb,

Isa53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and with his stripes we are healed.

Christ said:
Mt20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Mt20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Christ said:
Mt26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.

Barb do you not believe that Christ came to fulfill Isaiah 53:5???
---trey on 1/3/13


1st Peter 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot. Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him, I will challenge anyone who thinks Jesus had sin. when He died on the cross, He bore our sin and He felt every sin that wicked man has done. He died for me, you and everyone in the world.
---shira4368 on 1/3/13


"Jesus never said that he would die for anyone's sins. No, not even in John 3:16 does Jesus say that His Father sent Him to die for our sins." barb

But Matthew 1:21 did - "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name Jesus: for He shall save His people from their sins." And how did He save His people from their sins?

"Who His own self bare our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." 1 Peter 2:24

HE DIED ON THE CROSS!

What a demented understanding of the atonement of Christ for the sins of His people you have.
---christan on 1/3/13


Patricia, you are exactly correct! If we know who God really is then we understand that he does not sin, and did not become sin. He bore or carried our sins.

By the way, sin cannot pay for sin! Only a righteous and perfectly holy sacrifice could ever pay for sin.
---trey on 1/2/13


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He was the perfect sacrifice in that he was God's Lamb. Yes he was without sin.

But-

He who knew no sin was made to be sin for us, that we be made the righteousness of God in him.

If he had not taken our sin upon himself, then none could be saved. He would have been no different than the animal sacrifices which only covered sin, but Jesus remitted it.

You remember that Jesus compared his being lifted up on the crucifixion cross to draw all unto him, with the wilderness rod with the serpent on it?

He had all the curse of Deuteronomy 27, Isaiah 53 placed on him, in order that the blessings of Abraham could come upon us.
---jan4378 on 12/8/12


Well said, Patricia.
---pat on 11/14/12


Isaiah 53
First of all Jesus did not die spiritually on the Cross by becoming a sinner. That is not scriptural. Even though Jesus was the "Sin Offering" He did not sin or become sin, otherwise He could not have been a Perfect Sacrifice which was demanded by God. The sacrifice had to be perfect and God is the only perfect one. In the Old Testament God was the only one who kept the Covenant between Himself and man because man always broke it. But because of what Jesus did being both God and man the covenant will never ever be broken again and that had to come from a Perfect Sacrifice because God cannot sin.
---Patricia on 11/14/12


I am not going to be a Scripture quoter. Everybody is a doing it today. God said I don't have to! that I wasn't called into memorizing Scriptures. So, I am going to do this with God's help...Was Jesus sinless>>>yes. I am going to solve this here whole issue right here>>>Jesus took upon Himself our sins, so, we wouldn't all end-up in hell. He was the perfect sacrifice. His Blood is pure, spotless, and He the Lamb. And He ded a most tortuous death at the hands of wicked men who held power in their hands. See here, I have the experience. His Blood rushed up ME from toe to head, not head to toe because, I remember. And I knew I was forgiven. felt so clean inside. Man.
---pat on 11/14/12


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This same argument is the very same argument that Mary wasn't Jesus LITERAL mother in the flesh, who was part of HER EGG, and her blood flow through the umbilical cord because that would mean Jesus too was born in sin....GARBAGE!!!

What satan won't do to rob God of His Word and Christ's Glory.

Just like it says re: the soils.....The word was there and satan came along and snatched them away...

So be it.

The OT sacrifice of an animal did not carry any sin IN THEIR OWN BODY. It was not ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Our sin was LITERALLY PUT AWAY "IN CHRIST"! He LITERALLY DIED and literally rose again. God once and for all accepted the sacrifice OF HIMSELF!
---kathr4453 on 8/29/12


Patricia, your correct. Jesus never became sin, that was impossible. Jesus is "the same yesterday, today and forever." (Heb. 13:8).
The fact of the "Immutability" of Christ is the first determining factor of His impeccability. As Christ was holy in eternity past, it is essential that this attribute as well as all others be preserved unchanged eternally.
Jesus stood in our (believers) place before the Judge of heaven and earth. All descendants of Adam are condemned, waiting for the sentencing. But faith in Christ works and resurrection, allows Christ to take our place at sentencing. To be a substituted for us who place our faith in Him.
The Omnipotence of Christ makes it impossible for Him to sin.
---Mark_V. on 8/29/12


I have no problem with Jesus taking OUR sin upon Him...but for some reason some do. Is it a faith thing or reason THING? Faith is simply believing God's WORD, not trying to explain it away.

OUR SIN was laid upon Jesus, the perfect sacrifice acceptable to God. This is backed up with SEVERAL scriptures. HIS WORD needs no tweeking..or..."oh but that really means this." No, it REALLY means exactly what it says.


Hebrews
A BODY THOU HAS PREPARED,

My being Crucified with Christ is REAL, as well as My being Raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURE NOW is REAL, where My risen life IN CHRIST is as real as real gets.
---kathr4453 on 8/29/12


1 Peter 2:24

Jesus literally had the sins of the world placed upon him. He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness, by his wounds you have been healed? The word translated bare means to carry as a sacrifice. Understanding the word bore makes the words of Peter rather simple. This passage does not say that Jesus carried our sins on His body nor that our sins were placed upon Him. The body of Jesus was offered up on an altar as a sacrifice, an offering to God, for sins. Thus 1 Peter 2:24, He personally carried away our sins in his own body on the cross so we can be dead to sin.

Romans 6*****
---kathr4453 on 8/29/12


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Answer to:
1 Peter 2:24.....bare in His own body....

1 Peter 1:18-20 . (19) But with the precious blood of Christ as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. Without spot or blemish refers to the OT in Leviticus the priests had to offer male animals that were not marred or sick in any way in order for them to be an acceptable sacrifice unto God. Jesus was perfect in His physical body, character, His Spirit, His life, perfect in the keeping of the law and above all perfect in the Sacrifice of Himself. God demonstrated through Christ His displeasure of sin and became our Substitute and our Representative man and now we identify with Him through His Righteousness.
---Patricia on 8/28/12


Jesus didn't die our first death for us, He died the second death for us.

In Adam all die, and whether you are saved or not we are going to die..first death. If Jesus died our first death for us, He never would have risen from the dead. He died the second death, the one that has the power of eternal judgement.

It's the Second death we as Christians will not be hurt by because we are IN CHRIST who IS THE RESURRECTION.

Therefore one must identify with Christ in death, that is the second death, to be in the first resurrection, as well as being raised up together with Him as we speak.

You are saved/first resurrection by His Risen Life in you. Your sin is not covered by His Blood, but WASHED AWAY.
---kathr4453 on 8/28/12


There's a BIG difference between putting one's faith in Christ, and putting one's faith in a theory about how He saves us.

This distinction is clearly being lost here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/28/12


2 Corinthians 5:21 (...taking the penalty of sin in our place )

The Holy Bible does not make this statement.

There is no such thing as a "penaly for sin".

It is a lie, diffusing Christ's glory.

Likewise, His sacrifice is not said in the Bible to be an "atonemnent for sin".

Atonement merely covered sin. It did not take it away. The NT never uses this word.

In Romans 5:11 atonement (KJV) is an interpretation of the Greek word properly rendered "conciliation".

1Ti 2:6 who did give himself a ransom for all--the testimony in its own times.
---Phil on 8/28/12


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1st Peter 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
---kathr4453 on 8/28/12


2 Corinthians 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us (sin-offering taking the penalty of sin in our place ) who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God. (Jesus was treated as IF He was a sinner but was sinless. We are treated as though we were righteous though we are defiled and depraved). Jesus was the only sinless human being who ever lived and forever sinless to be the perfect sin offering, otherwise the sacrifice could not have been an atonement. Jesus death was not an Execution or Assassination but a Sacrifice. His blood was precious (1 Peter 1:19). God is a Spirit and cannot sin or die so a body was prepared for Him (Hebrews 10:5).
---Patricia on 8/28/12


Patricia, "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

(2 Cor. 5:21)

Jesus was without sin. For our sake God made Him take our sin upon Himself on the cross in order that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. We were the sinners. Yet God put our sinful acts and nature on Jesus so He could bear them away on the cross.

Therefore God, through Jesus who made it possible, accepts us. His acceptance is based on what Jesus has done and not on either good or bad behavior on our part.
---kathr4453 on 8/27/12


Maybe we are confusing the Passover Lamb with the goats.

Passover Lamb = without blemish, no sin. The Passover Lamb died to free the Israelites from Egypt thus purchasing a Kingdom for God. Exo. 12. Jesus was rejected by His Kingdom as their Messiah and as the Passover Lamb, He opens up the Kingdom to whoever will accept the conditions and enter in.

Once a year on the day of atonement, two male goats were set aside, one as the Goat of the Lord and one as the goat of removal or scapegoat.

Goat of the Lord = killed by high priest, the blood is taken into the Most Holy and sprinkled. High Priest transfers the sins of Israel onto the goat of Removal. The scapegoat is then led out into the wilderness (world) Lev. 16.
---barb on 8/27/12


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In response to: Patricia,if Jesus had any sin in Himself He could not have been our sacrifice.
That is exactly what I said so we agree Jesus was God and man who was sinless which is the only way His Sacrifice was accepted by God.
---Patricia on 8/27/12


Patricia,if Jesus had any sin in Himself He could not have been our sacrifice.

Even if you can't wrap your mind around it doesn't change that fact. A SINLESS spotless Christ where God placed OUR SIN UPON HIM and HE TOOK the Wrath of God that was to be put on us. He took OUR WRATH our JUDGEMENT our death sentence.
He stood in our place . The Bible clearly states He became sin for us.


And we in turn became the righteousness of Christ IN HIM bringing us out of death to life eternal through His resurrection. We have no righteousness of our own.

God had to be made FLESH in order to DIE IN OUR PLACE because we were in bondage to sin/death and satan. Hebrews 2 makes that perfectly clear.
---kathr4453 on 8/27/12


Isaiah 53
First of all Jesus did not die spiritually on the Cross by becoming a sinner. That is not scriptural. Even though Jesus was the "Sin Offering He did not sin or become sin, otherwise He could not have been a Perfect Sacrifice which was demanded by God. The sacrifice had to be perfect and God is the only perfect one. In the Old Testament God was the only one who kept the Covenant between Himself and man because man always broke it. But because of what Jesus did being both God and man the covenant will never ever be broken again and that had to come from a Perfect Sacrifice because God cannot sin.
---Patricia on 8/26/12


2C 5:21 For he hath made him sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that, all have sinned:

Death makes us sinners.

Death is complete separation from God's life. All who are born, die.

He is God of the living, not the dead.

Christ would not have died had He not been murdered.

His Father determined that He should die. For three days and nights He was DEAD.

Death ended His relationship to His Father. He was raised out from among the dead. He was made sin (dead) for us.
---Phil on 8/26/12


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Yes the Lord Jesus kept Gods 10 laws perfectly and obeyed The Father in Heaven in all things. He was sinless. By his death he became the Lamb and took the sins of mankind upon himself. By his resurrection to life eternal we are saved.
---Follower_of_Christ on 8/25/12


The difference is that Jesus was sinless because He did not commit the sin or rebellion to God. Jesus took our sin upon Himself as He made the sacrifice that was acceptable to God.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/23/12

Absolutely ,also in Isaiah 53, "the Iniquity of us all was placed on Him."

He absolutely died for our sin. And only because He was the spotless SINLESS lamb of God was that even possible. The whole purpose of Him being sinless. No one else could have done this. ONLY GOD in the flesh. The Reason Jesus DIED as well was that he died in our place. It was OUR SIN that He died. If Jesus was just some example of an overcomer, the CROSS would not have been necesary. only the 40 days in the desert being tested.
---kathr4453 on 8/24/12


Patricia, the reason He was that Perfect SPOTLESS Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world you should see in the types and shadows of the sin offering and scapegoat offering in Leviticus. Why do you suppose God DREW PICTURES for years and years of the Sacrifice? Why all the requirements of a SPOTLESS unblemished sacrifice? The Just for the unjust...

Why do you suppose Jesus cried out My God My God why have you forsaken me?? IT was because at that moment our sin was placed on Jesus and God could not look at Christ at that time. The greatest SUFFERING Jesus went through was that moment of separation BECAUSE of OUR SIN.
---kathr4453 on 8/24/12


conclusion:

Jesus sacrificed while on the cross.

Jesus suffered on the cross for the sins of all humanity. As Jesus hung on the cross, God the Father had to turn away from His Son. While Jesus was on the cross all of our sins were placed upon Him. He became our sin offering. God is a holy God and can not look upon sin, therefore He had to look away from His very own Son, Jesus Christ. As God turned away from Jesus it caused darkness to supernaturally cover the earth from the sixth hour until the ninth hours. For three hours darkness covered the earth.

*****Matthew 27:45-46

The purpose for Him coming to earth was fulfilled. Our redemption was accomplished. The price for our sins was paid in full.
---kathr4453 on 8/24/12


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I agree with you, Patricia. Jesus never said that he would die for anyone's sins. No, not even in John 3:16 does Jesus say that His Father sent Him to die for our sins.

Jesus overcame the sin of the world and He expects us to follow His example and do the same. John 16:33, Rev. 21:7, Rev. 2:11.

If Jesus had any sin at all on Him, He would not have been able to raise Himself from the grave as His Father promised in John 10:17-18. Sin is what separates us from God and we pay for our sins with eternal death. John 8:34-36. Jesus died as the Passover Lamb to redeem His Kingdom from the death penalty (Rev. 5:6-10) enabling them to overcome as He did.
---barb on 8/23/12


The correct understanding of the 2 Cor. 5 passage is that Jesus became or bore sin and did not actually commit sin.

1 Pet 2:24 "who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed"

The difference is that Jesus was sinless because He did not commit the sin or rebellion to God. Jesus took our sin upon Himself as He made the sacrifice that was acceptable to God.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/23/12


Our Father made Jesus "to be sin for us" (in 2 Corinthians 5:21). An honest undercover police officer can "be" a drug customer in order to bring down a drug business. Jesus "was" sin . . . undercover . . . in order to bring down Satan's kingdom.

Ezekiel says the LORD has "no pleasure in the death of the wicked," in Ezekiel 33:11. So, if Jesus died a sinful death, this could not have been pleasing to our Father. Jesus died right, and this was so pleasing that His death is enough to satisfy our Father to have forgiveness for our sins, "and not for ours only but also for the whole world." (in 1 John 2:2)
---willie_c: on 8/23/12


gordon, i think that you did something that i have never seen on CNET blogging. You answered a question and that answer can lead to no dispute. In short, the perfect answer.

Thank you, Lord.
---aka on 8/22/12


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The whole point of a sacrifice was that it is to take on the essence of the sin for which it is offered.
---chip on 8/22/12


Patricia, The Holy Bible says, in II CORINTHIANS 5:19-21, "...For He (God the Father) hath made made Him (YAHUSHUA/JESUS the Son) to be sin for us (lost humans), Who knew no sin (YAHUSHUA): that we might be made the righteousness of GOD in Him." It's that YAHUSHUA, the Son of GOD, was treated by God the Father as IF He was sinful, even though He definitely was not, so that we who are sinful could, by Faith, receive His Blood Atonement to wash away our sin. It balances out: He Who was Sinless was made AS IF He was sinful, so that, we who are sinful could become AS IF we were sinless.
---Gordon on 8/21/12


Paul does say, "And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2) So, on the cross, Jesus was not sinful and rejected by our Father, but Jesus was "a sweet-smelling aroma" . . . sweetly pleasing our Father.

And this is our example. We are told to walk in love like this. We need to be sweetly pleasing to our Father while loving any and all people, making our sacrifices in Jesus' sweet-smelling way > "and you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:29)
---willie_c: on 8/21/12


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