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Christ said: John10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. What do you think he meant when he said they follow me? How do his sheep follow him?

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Hi MarkV, your answer reminds me of these verses:

1Th5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Php1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Heb12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

I wish more people understood.....sigh.

Lord bless you my dear brother in Christ.
---trey on 1/4/13


Correction to previous post:

"shira4368 on1/4/13 good post."

I was referring specifically to the verses quoted.

However, not wishing to judge anyone, none of us could ever do enough works to get to heaven, in fact can do no work(s) to get to heaven.. not to mix
---Chria9396 on 1/4/13


Ruben, here is your answer,

"Which is my point, you won't know 'Till the end"

If you believe the word of God by faith, you don't have to wait till the end to see if you will endure. If you have to wait to see if you will, you are living your life without faith in God. Why do you not understand faith?

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of thing not seen" (Heb. 11:1).
You show no faith, because you are counting on what you can and cannot do. Your faith is in yourself, your own works of righteous.
---Mark_V. on 1/4/13


shira4368 on1/4/13 good post.

Believe in the one God sent
Jn 6
What must we do to do the works God requires?
Jesus answered, The WORK OF GOD is this: to believe in the one He has sent.
this is THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT me, that I SHALL LOSE NONE of all those He has given me, but RAISE THEM UP AT THE LAST DAY.
my FATHERS WILL is that everyone who looks to the son and BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL have eternal life
Just as the living Father sent me and I LIVE BECAUSE OF THE FATHER, so the one who feeds on me WILL LIVE BECAUSE OF ME. This is the bread that came down from heaven whoever feeds on this bread WILL live forever.
THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE, THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING. The WORDS I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOUare SPIRIT AND LIFE
---Chria9396 on 1/4/13


Ruben, you will never be able to do enough works to get to heaven. Romans ll:6. And if by grace, then is it no more works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. what this verse says when we are save by grace thru faith, then we will want to work. Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. vs ll: But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith.
---shira4368 on 1/4/13




created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10).
---Mark_V. on 1/3/13

Mark,

yes God prepared beforehand but we have to do our part, he does not do the work for us:

"You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone"

James 2:20-26

Romans 2:6-13 "For he will render to every man according to his works"

"for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me"

"Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me."

Matthew 25:31-46
---Ruben on 1/3/13


Mark_V.We hear, know and follow Him because we are saved already. then you say:

""Thoses who endure till the end will be save"
Of course, if you didn't endure,

Which is my point, you won't know 'Till the end"

As St Paul tell us :

Rom. 8:24 - "for in this hope we were saved" ( Past Tense)

BTW- why Hope if you are already saved?

1 Cor. 1:18 - "for the word of the cross is folly to those perishing, but for to us who are being saved," (Present Tense)

Salvation is not a one time event:)

Rom. 13:11 -" salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed."( Future Tense)

And you say you are save already!

---Ruben on 1/3/13


Ruben, you said,
"Mark, Sounds like you finally got it righht:" I've had it right. I follow Him because He lives in me.
Then you said:

"We have to continue to hear,know and follow him.".
We hear, know and follow Him because we are saved already. then you say:

""Thoses who endure till the end will be save"
Of course, if you didn't endure, that also gives evidence you were never one of His. What you want to do is say that the cause of our salvation is our works. Sorry, but we are told,
"For we "believers" are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10).
---Mark_V. on 1/3/13


"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me, and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish,...The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him [John 10: 27-31]....The characters of His sheep: They hear His voice, for they know it to be His. They discern it, they delight in it. They do according to it. If you are deaf to His call, you are not one of His sheep....Follow Him: Tread in His steps----follow the Lamb whithersoever He goes. In vain do we hear His voice if we do not follow Him."
---Mark_V. on 12/22/12

Mark,

Sounds like you finally got it righht:

We have to continue to hear,know and follow him.

"Thoses who endure till the end will be save"
---Ruben on 1/2/13


FofC. You misunderstand scripture and use them out of context.

Consider your use of Acts 5:29
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."

This had NOTHING to do with obedience to the law, as you mistakenly imply. Reading it's context it refers to the apostles preaching the gospel of Christ.
The high priest of the temple told them not to preach Christ, and the apostles responded that "we ought to obey God rather than men".

Interestingly it's the likes of the high priest of that temple who was in to works of the law, like you also preach.
---Haz27 on 1/1/13




Jeremiah 7:23
"... Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you"

All the ways God has commanded are his 10 holy just perfect laws. Without obedience to Gods 10 laws you cannot hear the Lords voice.

As the profit Jeremiah warned:

Jeremiah 9:13
And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein,

Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/1/13


Bro. Trey, that was a wonderful story on the passage you gave. I believe there is many stories about the awesomeness of God's love, power and glory. People just don't see them. Or many times just pass those passages about God. That is why I keep saying, that they are missing not knowing God for who He really is. All many care is about their own abilities, and rights as humans. When in reality they are just clay. Always love your answers brother, and also you kindness to others. You have even ask others to forgive you because you don't want to hurt anyone feelings. I notice that alot with you. Keep the work for the Lord going brother, and a wonderful New Year to you and family, keep safe and blessings to you.
---Mark_V. on 12/28/12


Mark V, AMEN!!!

Mark here is one of my favorite verses. It describes a baby cast out on a waste heap...dead! I believe it describes God's people and God's love for us:

Eze16:5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee, but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.
Eze16:6 And when I (the Omnipotent Lord God) passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live, yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live

What a picture of the grace of God bestowed upon a dead sinner!

Lord bless you my dear brother in Christ!
---trey on 12/27/12


Bro. Trey, we follow Him because we hear His voice. We hear His voice because the Spirit of God gave us spiritual ears to hear, and eyes to see. Without that supernatural act of God, people remain blind, and cannot understand spiritual matters. So they cannot hear spiritually. They remain carnal. This supernatural act of God is called 'regeneration." no one knows from where He comes or where He goes. Jesus compared the Spirit with the wind.
---Mark_V. on 12/27/12


*His chosen/elect: twelve tribes, apostle etc...called,

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Other sheep:
Jn 10:16 "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice, and there shall be one fold, and one Shepherd."
Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
---char on 12/23/12


It's said,
"How do His sheep follow Him?"
Answered by Pat

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me, and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand." My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all...The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him [John 10: 27-31]....The characters of His sheep: They hear His voice, for they know it to be His. They discern it, they delight in it. They do according to it. If you are deaf to His call, you are not one of His sheep....Follow Him: Tread in His steps----follow the Lamb whithersoever He goes. In vain do we hear His voice if we do not follow Him."
---Mark_V. on 12/22/12


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BULLIED by disobedient church people?

1st Pet.1:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
---jmarc on 12/21/12


\\Comfort for the BULLIED by church people.\\

Two things:

1. You're not being bullied.

2. You're not spiritual.

Merry Christmas, JMarc.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/21/12


Comfort for the BULLIED by church people.

2 Thes.4:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

1 Cor.:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
---jmarc on 12/20/12


JMarc, your persecuting and oppressing me merely add to my heavenly reward, just like you do with the other Christians on this site.

Keep it up.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/12


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cluny,Everything i say is BUT DUNG.??

Malachi 2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

3 Behold, I will --, spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts, and one shall take you away with it.

THE WORDS OF PAUL!

Phil. 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
---jMarc on 12/19/12


\\The falling away that was prophesied is occurring,the lawless one,the man of sin has been revealed!

HE is courting and excluding all of us in this blogg site!\\

J-marc fell away a long time ago, and now everything he says on these blogs is BUT DUNG.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/12


//One step at the time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/1/12//

Amen.

Rom 11:36 "For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to Whom be glory for ever. Amen."

Shalom
---char on 12/18/12


Steven G, thank you so much for you kind words to me. I try my best, but it is not good enough for you. I am so sorry to disappoint you. What I put down is the word of God, it is found in Scripture. I did not have to do an online search for it. All I had to do was to search the Word of God.
I will stand before Christ, at the Judgment Seat of Christ, but never at the Great White throne of Judgment, only unbelievers will stand there before God for sentencing. Thank you anyway. Peace I do leave you, I won't take it back because you are worthy to hear it.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/12


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Mark, if the words I suggested to search are not relevant then why are they mentioned in the bible for it is written that "All (and that means ALL) scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

Ever since my first post several years ago you have done nothing but twist my words to use against me much like you do with scripture. But, alas, these are not my words you mock, but God's. It is you that will have to stand in front of judgement and explain yourself.

You have the knowledge of God, worldly knowledge, but you surely lack spiritual knowledge.
---Steveng on 12/13/12


These make good sense Steveng, "one another", "each other", "comfort", and "encourag."
Romans 5.5 only speaks of God's love for the believer, who feels it in his heart.
Those details Steven pointed out will yield the avenue and means to fulfil the love
which pours out our hearts (unlike Mark's dumps) in the execution of Love thy God and Love
thy neighbour.
Is not that what Jesus commanded, that whomsoever follows him should love his fellow man?
---Nana on 12/13/12


ELENA, Please be careful,

The falling away that was prophesied is occurring,the lawless one,the man of sin has been revealed!

HE is courting and excluding all of us in this blogg site!

Gla.4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

17 They zealously affect you, but not well, yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.
---J-marc on 12/13/12


Steven G, genuine believers do not have to do an online search to know what true love is. Paul tells us believers,

"the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us" (Rom. 5:5).
He means not love for God, but knowledge of God's love for us. The verb {shed abroad) literally means 'poured (or dump) out. It is the word used of the "ourpouring" of the Spirit Himself in (Acts 2:17-18, 33: Titus 3:6). This knowledge is described as part of the regular ministry of the Spirit to those who receive Him. We should know and feel that if we are believers.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/12


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Family, it became really simple one time I had like a day dream while I was on the city bus, it was in my head how best to follow JESUS? 1Cor.13:4-8,Ep.4:26,29.1Tim.6:10,1Th.5:3.Cameto my mind little hymn we used to sing " I have decided to follow JESUS No turning back. He decidido seguir a Cristo, no vuelvo atras..."
And in my mind I believe that is the best, stay with God & don't go back to the previous life we lived. ThankGod for His love & mercy.
Thankyou! Love of JESUS! ELENA


..
---ELENA on 12/12/12


Why do christians complicate matters? The simple answer is...

To LOVE, genuine love - as in the verb form.

It's the ultimate command, and the only command, that will get us into heaven.

Now, the hard part is HOW to love. The bible gives many examples from beginning to end. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another", "each other", "comfort", and "encourag."

Imitating Christ? If we did we would also be performing miracles.
---Steveng on 12/9/12


Bro. Trey, in the context of (John 10:27) the Jews wanted to know how long Jesus was going to keep them in doubt, whether He was the Christ Messiah spoken of through history. Jesus responded with,
"I told you, and you do not believe". If they had believed they too would follow Him as sheep follow the Shepherd. They followed Him for other reasons. The Jews were not seeking merely for clarity and understanding, regarding who Jesus was, but rather wanted Him to declare openly that He was Messiah in order to justify attacking Him. Jesus then said,
"But you do not believe, "because you are not My sheep" If they had been His sheep, they would not have ask to try to attack Him.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/12


Christ said: John10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. What do you think he meant when he said they follow me? How do his sheep follow him?
---trey on 8/31/12
the follow his examples:

John 1:50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.

THE FOLOW HIS COMMANDS
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
---francis on 12/8/12


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They followed him because they recognized his voice, from hearing his teachings. And watching his ways.

They followed by imitating him. That is why Peter said, Lord if it's you bid me walk on the water.

That is why Jesus said, Where is your faith? When he had to rebuke the storm.

That is why he told them to feed the great crowd of people.

That is why Jesus would not tell Mary to help Martha when she asked him to. And why Jesus said that what Mary had would not be taken from her.
---jan4378 on 12/8/12


Elena, regarding your friend, the former priest. His present problems could be because of his walking away from God and denying His deity. I don't mean that God is 'causing' his illness but it could be that God has removed His hand of protection from your friend. He might be allowing him to see what life is like without God. We can never know for sure but we all know how different life was 'after' we accepted God as Saviour. Maybe your friend is experiencing the reverse.

Just keep praying for him.
---Rita_H on 11/27/12


To bro.Mark ..wow! Thanks alot" you sure clear me, see 1.thing when bout 5 yrs. They had a big Cuba dinner at a huge catholic church, some cuban women invite me. I told well, I am not catholic.in.fact none of my family were/ are not still. They shock! Don't see why.So,you know I am ignorant bout that religion.oh! I am view on youtube Did you know the muslims they eat, live, bathe in the shelters/ catholic churches every food,whatever provided FREE! From spain" govt. & the people ( complain) that not even spaniards allow free access to sleep or eat there! They have alot young women join the muslim. Marry muslim men. Like my daughter did.they will move and quit have any contact with family.
---ELENA on 11/16/12


Sis. Elena. all human beings are going to die. Some earliar then others, even very young. The cause is the curse God put on mankind for Adam's sin. Physical death and spiritual death were given by God, which means separation from God. Concerning the priest, he was either going to live longer then he thought at first, but turns out he is not. Some get healed and some don't. Only God knows who will live to a certain perticular time physically. He also knows who will live spiritually for Christ. Those are things that are out of our control. It is God's will that we live at all. I don't believe God was angry and was punishing him for not keeping his faith. In fact, if he worshipped idols instead of God to begin with, he was not save at all.
---Mark_V. on 11/16/12


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"How do his sheep follow him?"John 14:15-17 If ye love me, keep my commandments And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Romans 8:14-16 For as many as are LED by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
---J_Marc on 11/16/12


Goodmorning, please forgive - yes, he says he do not.believe.in god been over 10 yrs.Now he told.me, he sick and God & Jesus no good! I am shock at him. He is able to do.alot and he says he still catholic and prays to st.Christopher,st.francis. & them saints. Yes, he blames everything wrong in his life on God and claims now he got some type of psychic power. I do not bother listen no more of that and will not give him my fon number. Thanks.ELENA
---ELENA on 11/16/12


Sis. Elena, I did not completely understand your question. But here is what I think you are saying, that this priest you know, had cancer, but since then he has lost his faith in Christ and in God. And now they have found out his cancer is worse and you are asking if it has to do because God is angry at him for not believing in Him anymore and is causing the cancer to get worse intead of better? Was that the question?
---Mark_V. on 11/16/12


FOR BRO.MARKV. Hey Mark..you may Remember! I had this friend the one who Was a priest.
Not. No more. He quit the actuvities we are not friends because he told me he no longer and has Quit believe.in JESUS Christ and God! I be honest he does not have my new phone # my Question : sopposed he was told his. Cancer one treatment he would be cured
Now he. Been.sent to 4 doctors for now they believe his cancer is more than they imagined than thought he got to go for 6 weeks of Chemo.
Could it be God doesn't like his attitude? Unbelief? He is distraught
It was just his nose, Now it all in the face and spreading.
Is God letting.all this for back
Talk? Deny his diety?


---ELENA on 11/15/12


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Jesus himself did not try to convert the two thieves on the cross, He waited until one of them turned to Him.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer,

Isn't that a great insight!
---kathr4453 on 11/15/12


Sis. Pat, great answer you gave. And explained it very well, peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/12


"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me, and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand." My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, He is more important than the president. The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him [John 10: 27-31]....The characters of His sheep: They hear His voice, for they know it to be His. They discern it, they delight in it. They do according to it. If you are deaf to His call, you are not one of His sheep....Follow Him: Tread in His steps----follow the Lamb whithersoever He goes. In vain do we hear His voice if we do not follow Him.
---pat on 11/12/12


///---Haz27 on 9/1/12///---

Very Nice,


God Bless...
Shalom
---char on 11/12/12


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Phil, as I said before to someone else, I am here to speak for God. I never speak on behalf of man. Man is a sinner and has nothing on God. So most of my answers are for the glory of God and not man. I don't support man in any area. My answers are God centered not man centered. I enjoy speaking and supporting Him in anyway I can. After all He is the Potter, and we are nothing but clay. Thanks for your answer brother, love to discuss God with anyone. Peace.
---Mark_V. on 9/7/12


Aka thank you for taking the time to clarify your position, It is appreciated. Yes, Gal_3:28 T..Col_3:11 Agreed. Yes Jesus was sent "only to the lost sheep of Israel." (Mat 15:24) Agreed. I questioned your agreement with "We are not the sheep of the Scriptures, as this figure applies to the Jew only" only because I knew, that you know, that "not all who are born into the nation of Israel are of Israel" (Rom 9:6-8) And the fact that jesus made it clear that "It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail, the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. Thus applicable to all people.
---Josef on 9/6/12


A "lukewarm" Mark-v? I hardly could imagine you allowing things to remain the same. You are a mover and a shaker.

A warrior you are, and you stand upright before your God. He has covered you in armour strong and filled your heart and soul with His love of the truth.

There is a time to make war, and a time to make peace... a time to take, and a time to receive.

Wisdom is justified of her children.
---Phil on 9/6/12


Phil, I'm not labeling you. But I do know who are the ones who follow the other believes. And again I am not trying to proof Scripture, it is Truth already. What you are and whatever you believe changes nothing that is already Truth. You could try to change it, but it will remain Truth forever. If I tried to change it, it would remain Truth no matter what I did. You have a choice Phil, that is not a problem. I still feel the same about you. Nothing has changed.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/12


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Phil, again, I am not trying to proof anything to you, that is not possible when you already have a set of rules. Your bias already. No one can change your point of view, only you can manage that and with help from Someone. No help, no change.
I mentioned Universalist because they claim what you claim. I mentioned Jehovah witnesses because they also have another view of what everlasting means. Both oppose eternal time in hell. Universalist belief everyone will be saved, so the duration in hell has to be short. But I am sorry to tell them, not convince them, that the time is everlasting.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/12


Mark_V. on 9/4/12 Phil, if you decided to take the Univeralist interpretation, you can take Youngs translation.

Putting a label on someone, Universalist in this case, is not the way to prove your position. It is an underhanded attempt to malign and marginalize, instead of being upright and humbly seeking truth. I would desire better of you.

Young's Concordance is recognized as authoritative, and is useful to all who seek the living God.

My position is not based upon creeds or tradition. It is based upon the evidence found in the Holy Writings.
---Phil on 9/4/12


Phil, if you decided to take the Univeralist interpretation, you can take Youngs translation. If you want to take the New World Translation from the Jehovah witnesses you could use their view. Whatever you heart desires to choose. That is your right. Everlasting will always be everlasting. Eternal will always be eternal. In both verses, everlasting life, and everlasting fire, the same word is use. But you can take your pick of what you want to use. I can never convince you no matter what I put down.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/12


All throughout man's history the shepard would call out to the sheep and the sheep, hearing the shepard's call, followed because the sheep knew his call.

Goats, on the other hand, have a mind of their own and will not follow anyone who calls out to them.

Therefore, the sheep is used as an anology for Christians, Christ is the Shepard, God the Father is the Master.

To follow Christ is simply to love (as in the verb form) with genuine love.
---Steveng on 9/3/12


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Yes, Jesus said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (in Matthew 15:24) But He did not say they were the only lost sheep. Plus . . . Ruth, not a Jew, is the great-grandmother of David who is in the family line leading to Jesus. She was not a lost sheep and was a Gentile.

Also, Jesus told the Apostles to go and make disciples of "all nations", not only Jews > "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you". (in Matthew 28:20)

So, following Jesus includes teaching and doing all things He has commanded us, including "that you love one another as I have loved you." (in John 15:12)
---willie_c: on 9/3/12


Mt 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

No Gentile will ever rule over Israel. Yet, the Kingdom of heaven on earth will come. It will rule over the nations, bestowing healing and blessing to the nations as God declared to the Patriarchs.

The unfaithful Jews will be appointed their place with the nations that opposed His people during the tribulation. These Jews are the goats of Matthew 25.
---Phil on 9/3/12


Many try to follow Christ in his earthly ministry and fail,just as the 12 did.
Our apostle sets an example that we can follow. So simple.
1 Cor 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
1 Cor. 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Phil 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
---michael_e on 9/3/12


" Depart from Me, you cursed into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:...' (Matt. 25:31-46). ---Mark_V. on 9/2/12

Mt 25:41 Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers.

God's method of condemnation, meant to open the eyes of the stubborn, is as fire.

Mt 25:46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.

Young's translation is correct. The Version is not. Final destiny is not the subject.
---Phil on 9/3/12


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Josef, thanks for putting down the passage in (John 10:14-16) I forgot to put the chap. I also wondered why others believe only the Jews were the sheep, when Scripture identifies the difference between the sheep and the goats, and we are not goats.
Willie, thanks also for providing the passages you did. I believe that because Jesus mentioned He only came at that point in time while on His ministry, He was only concern with the lost sheep of Israel. But after the curtain came down, at His crucifixion, the Gentiles were included as sheep from another fold.
The unbroken secrecy of 1500 years was now open for all mankind to view. The way into the holy presence of the living God is now open for all. The invitation is Whosoever will may come.
---Mark_V. on 9/3/12


ok...josef.

it is way too long to explain on 125 and people will needle as i try to explain.

when i say jew it was catch all. i usually say twelve tribes. but, i also said:

//But Holy Spirit does not apply that figure to us. It is reserved for Israel [12 tribes]//

i agree somewhat.

Gal_3:28 T...Col_3:11

but, at one point, Jesus was here for for only the twelve tribes (he said so.). fortunately, he let others not of the twelve clean up the crumbs.

but, then everybody wants to thrust themselves into certain scripture that they do not belong. as a non-12 triber, i am to believe in what he said to the twelve tribes and not to insert myself where i do not belong.
---aka on 9/2/12


baaaaaaaa! If I baaa like a sheep, I'm a sheep, and I'm a Gentile background person!! (c:

If you are told that Paul talked about "sheep" only in one place in the Bible and that this means only Jews . . . take a look at Acts 20:29. He talks about Gentile Ephesians, here, as being "the flock".

And we know Jesus is our Shepherd, "anyway" (c: Following Jesus includes learning from Him > "'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29) We follow Jesus by doing what He our "gentle and lowly" Shepherd leads us to do in His rest for our souls.
---willie_c: on 9/2/12


"How do his sheep follow him?"
"Be followers of God, as dear children, and walk in love, as Christ also has loved us." Eph 5:1,2
---Josef on 9/2/12


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"//We are not the sheep of the Scriptures, as this figure applies to the Jew only.// Phil

I agree with that." Aka.


Why Aka? Jesus Himself said "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold, them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice, and there will be one flock and one shepherd." John 10:16 The Jews are only 1 of the twelve tribes of Israel, thirteen if one desires to get technical:o)
Phil this post is not to denounce your belief, it is simply a question as to why you believe as you do. For you are not the only one I have heard that believes this, however the others that I have asked about it, have simply brush the request off:o) Or attempted to engage me in foolish arguments.
---Josef on 9/2/12


Phil, I hate to be the one to break it to you brother, but if you are not a sheep you are a goat. And if a goat you be separated from the sheep when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him. And you will be set on the left hand and the sheep on the right.
"Then the King will say to those on the right hand, "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:..."
Then comes those on His left hand,
" Depart from Me, you cursed into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:...' (Matt. 25:31-46).
Please read, the first fold are the Jews, the other fold are the Gentiles (John 14-16).
---Mark_V. on 9/2/12


John 10:9 I am the door: by me if ANY MAN ENTER IN, he shall be saved and shall go in and out and find pasture.

John 10:24-27 Then came THE JEWS round about Him and asked How long will you make us doubt? If you are the Christ then tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you and YOU DID NOT BELIEVE: the works that I do in my Father's name bear witness of me. But you do not believe because YOU ARE NOT MY SHEEP. My sheep hear my voice AND I KNOW THEM and they follow me.
---barb on 9/2/12


Phil, I think I understand.
However the principle of hearing, being led/following, applies to all believers.
"Ro 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long, we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter"
As stated, we are ACCOUNTED AS SHEEP for the slaughter, killed all day long. Crucified with Christ
Question, in Jn 10:16 "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." Who are the other sheep, Had previously thought other sheep referred to ALL who were yet to believe, Gentile and Jew.
also, one fold, one shepherd
---chria9396 on 9/2/12


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//We are not the sheep of the Scriptures, as this figure applies to the Jew only.// Phil

I agree with that.

//all men are like sheep without a shepherd.//

agreed.

//But Holy Spirit does not apply that figure to us. It is reserved for Israel//

i agree somewhat.

Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col_3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
---aka on 9/1/12


Ro 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long, we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

This is the only time our Apostle refers to sheep in all his letters.

We are not the sheep of the Scriptures, as this figure applies to the Jew only.

In a general sense, all men are like sheep without a shepherd. But Holy Spirit does not apply that figure to us. It is reserved for Israel
---Phil on 9/1/12


" My sheep hear my voice, AND I KNOW THEM, AND they follow me"
Notice the words, sheep hear, AND I KNOW THEM, AND they follow me. Knowing is left out of the question posted, but is part of the verse for a reason. Its in the knowing which cannot be separated from hearing. When one believes that one is in Christ, and is obedient to His leading. It is His work within the believer, as He works in us both to will and to do, and is to His glory.
---chria9396 on 9/1/12


"One step at a time." good answer, Cluny (c:

I think I need to pray so I am really getting guided by our Father. Jesus prayed, and He always did what our Father had Him doing.

Mama, I would say denying ourselves and taking up our cross is what we need. And I think our cross is not only some one hard trouble that makes us look so strong and courageous to our church. But our cross means loving any and all people like Jesus on the cross was doing, and Paul says to do > "And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2) < being sweet-smelling while we go through things of loving (c:
---willie_c: on 9/1/12


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To follow him is to believe on Jesus resulting in eternal life (John 3:16, John 10:28).

Christians follow Christ, understanding what the will of God is.
"do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is" Eph 5:17

"this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life" John 6:40

For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from (spiritual) fornication. 1Thess 4:3

Our works are to believe on Jesus. John 6:29

Its the sin of unbelief in Jesus the world is convicted of, John 16:9. Those who do not follow Christ remain in unbelief establishing their own righteousness.
---Haz27 on 9/1/12


one way to follow Jesus is to learn from him as he commanded in matt 11:29.
---okokon on 9/1/12


there is only one way to follow the Lord Jesus and even the Lord asked those who said they followed him why do you call me Lord (master) when you do not do as I say? The Lord Jesus obeyed the Father in Heaven in all things. Followers of the Lord obey in all things. If someone does not obey Gods 10 laws they are not able to hear the Lord Jesus. Many ministers today preach lasciviousness. These men teach idolatry (people follow them) and teach people they have a license to sin through the Lord.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/1/12


"What do you think he meant when he said they follow me?"
---trey on 8/31/12
Matthew 16:24 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

We could then ask, what does it mean to take up one's cross?
---Mama on 9/1/12


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to follow, you must be able to hear. to hear, you must believe.
---aka on 9/1/12


One step at the time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/1/12


through imitation, by studying His words, by understand why He did what He did, by learning to hear His quiet voice and then being obedient.
---chip on 9/1/12


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