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Do you believe Job was perfect in all the chapters of Job?

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Ephesians 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith, that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
---francis on 9/19/12

Sure francis, and then Paul proceeds:

Ephesians 4:1_3 "I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love, Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."

Why is he beseeching francis, his audience whom he in addessed in Ephesians 3:17? They did not have a new heart like yours?
---Nana on 9/19/12


God does not take your sinful nature away from you. You remain the same person ....
---Mark_V. on 9/19/12
What kind of christianity are you into?

Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you, and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new.

2 Peter 1:4 that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,

Ephesians 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith, that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
---francis on 9/19/12


francis, you said,
"What happens after you confess your sin and are forgiven? Do you still have sin after? You can't give it to God and hold on to it."
When you confess your sins He is faithful and Just to forgive you of your sins. Jesus takes your sins to the cross. God does not take your sinful nature away from you. You remain the same person and your sinful nature will one day die, unless you are alive during the Second Coming. You will not be able to sin again, since you will be dead.
"My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He Himself is the propitiation of our sins..."
---Mark_V. on 9/19/12


The just shall live by faith.

I beleive by faith that the moment i confess and repent from my sin, that i am free of that sin. I am no longer burdened by that sin.

If the son shall make you free, shall you not be free indeed?
---francis on 9/18/12


---Mark_V. on 9/18/12

What happens after you confess your sin and are forgiven? Do you still have sin after? You can't give it to God and hold on to it.

Does not god promise that though you sins be red they shall be wite?

believe God
---francis on 9/18/12




francis, you twist the Words and call God a liar. You say you don't sin, that your not a sinner, God says your deceived, and guess what? The Truth is not in you. That's pretty simple.
"If we say that we have not sin "(you say you are not a sinner and don't sin)" we deceive ourselves and the Truth is not is us" (I John 1:8).
"If we say we have not sinned, "(You say you have not sin, that you are not a sinner)" we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us" 91 John 1:10).
This people, You, claim to have the Truth and His Word. Yet you claim you do not sin, and not a sinner. So the Truth is not in you, and neither is His Word, and you do call God a liar.
---Mark_V. on 9/18/12


Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

so i have faith that once I confess and seek forgiveness that my sins are washed away and that I have no more sin ( unless i am foolish enough to go ahead and commit mroe sins)

John 8:11 Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 5:14 sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Psalms 32:2 Blessed [is] the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit [there is] no guile.
---francis on 9/17/12


"If "we" (believers) say that we have not sinned,
---Mark_V. on 9/17/12

What part of speech is " have not sinned?"
---francis on 9/17/12


francis, we are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. That's what I've been trying to tell you. From the womb we are sinners. A baby has not sin but is a sinner, born in sin. Admitting sin is the duty of the believer.
We are a new creation in Christ, been sanctified. If you were without sin, you would need no guideness by the Spirit, no teachings how to be a better husband, or how to treat you children, nor to watch out for false teachers. You are a sinner saved by Grace if you are even saved.
"If "we" (believers) say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and the Truth is not in you" The Truth is Christ, and you could not have Him if you claim you don't sinned.
---Mark_V. on 9/17/12


I believe that the blood of Jesus cleanses is from all sin.

I also believe that the spirit of God lives in me, making me a partaker of God's divine nature whereby am able to obey God.

The bible never says that we are doomed to live a live of sinning. We are made from from the results of sin, as well as having to be commit to sin


If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
---francis on 9/16/12




---Mark_V on 9/16/12
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Once we confess our sin, we longer have sin. That is what I have been trying to tell you. Somehow, we are told that we are sinners saved by grace, it makes it that we retain the very sin which we have confessed and been forgiven of. But once we confess and ask forgiveness we no longer have that sin

1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins, and in him is no sin.
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
---francis on 9/16/12


francis, let me take it a little further,
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the Truth is not in us" (1 John 1: 8).
According to the passage you are deceived and don't know it, because the Truth is not in you. Let me go further:
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9) The "us" are believers for they only confess their sins to God.
I will go even further:
" If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us" (1 John 1:10). Only believers have His Word in them. Jesus is the Word. So what you fatly claim is that God is a liar.
---Mark_V on 9/16/12


And He said, "without Me, you can do nothing."
---Mark_V. on 9/15/12

now as i stated before we claim to be abel to do all things through christ. Now you say without christ we can do nothing.

Fine, by now you must realize that christi does not dwel n us that we can overcme or do earthly things, but that we shuld overcome sin in our mortal bodies:

2 Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness,..that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,


Hebrews 12:1 .. let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
---francis on 9/15/12


of course it doesn't say that, the subject is about becoming a child of God, not whether he stills sins or not.... And He said, "without Me, you can do nothing."
---Mark_V. on 9/15/12

OK let me take the first one first:
Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world,
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother
---francis on 9/15/12


francis, let me open your eyes, you are a sinner. You had said:
"John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name" Then said

"It does not say that he has given us the power to be sinners saved by Grace"

of course it doesn't say that, the subject is about becoming a child of God, not whether he stills sins or not.
Look, without Christ your Mediator, you cannot stand before God. He listens to you through Christ. Why? Because you are a sinner without Christ. If you were not a sinner anymore, you would not need Christ. And He said, "without Me, you can do nothing."
---Mark_V. on 9/15/12


follewer of christ, the first mention of abortion on this blog is:

Not if you kill babies, you aren't.

Any church that builds hospitals where unborn babies are killed ....
---Cluny on 9/8/12

So it is NOT francis who started this abortion issue on this blog it is Cluny. Check for yourself
---francis on 9/13/12


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francis please open another topic if you want to promote your baby killing agenda. Then you can post all the bible verses you want that do not support baby killing.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/13/12


No Jed, he just wants to see his name up on lights.

You know the little light up on the screen.
---TheSeg on 9/13/12


when a mother is faced with the temination fo a pregnancy for reason of rape, incest, her possible death ro severe deformity of the child, it is a very grave matter. We shoudl not make light of that situation by politicizing it into pro life and pro choice debate.

Presented to the thirty-eighth General Assembly of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (1971):
Scripture obligates us to treat unborn children as human persons in all decisions and actions involving them. They should not, therefore, be destroyed by voluntary abortion in the absence of valid medical grounds demonstrating the necessity of such abortion to save the mother's life.
---francis on 9/12/12


Are you kidding? Has francis hijacked EVERY SINGLE blog on this site to try to promote abortion? He did it to the "drinking too much alcohol" blog too. Almost every time I click on a blog that is totally unrelated to abortion, there's francis trying to promote abortion. Seriously??? Grow up, man. And this from a guy who claims to be anti-abortion? I don't know why we keep arguing with a guy who thinks a miscarriage and an abortion are the same thing. He's obviously sick.
---Jed on 9/12/12


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cluny i see you early christian teaching, and I raise you one bible scripture:

Numbers 5:27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse

Now what do you call it when the known outcome of any procedure is misscarriage of the baby or terninmation of the pregnancy?
---francis on 9/12/12


Here is the earliest Christian teaching on Abortion. It's from the Didache.

\\Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden. And the second commandment of the Teaching, You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER A CHILD BY ABORTION nor kill that which is born.\\

How can human language be clearer?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/12/12


Be it further RESOLVED, ... will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, SBC 1971

In continuity with past Christian teaching, we recognize tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion, and in such cases we support the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures...
The Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church - 2004

It is no longer a question of whether or not christians allow for abortion under tragic conditions. The question is where should people who face these horible choices go to have these church approved abortions: At home, in a motel, Mexica, Canada, or in a state-of-the-art hospital in U S A?
---francis on 9/12/12


the seg:
Numbers 5:27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

Deuteronomy 22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:

1: It is not God's will that a married woman MUST carry the seed on another man
2: It is not God's will that a woman shold be raped

It is God's will that a womans MUST carry the seed of her rapist?
---francis on 9/12/12


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Thats right francis!
God NEVER breaks his laws. Breaking the law is sin, and God cannot sin.

Thats why he said bring them to me!
For it is written, Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord!
This is not clear enough?


Actually is it because of the law that christians have policies which allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity,
francis on 9/11/12

No, francis!
It is because they cannot do the law.
So they try to change the law to fit their policies!
I know you understand that!

But, go ahead keep believe whatever you want.
Keep telling yourself, God give me permission to break the law!
Thats how to keep it!
---TheSeg on 9/12/12


Well I do not think that you are intellegent enough to know the difference. Your views in every blog is the republican agenda, be it on the poor, health care or abortion. So your view is not biblical but political.
---francis on 9/9/12

Are you that ignorant that you think there is no correlation between politics and religion? To try to separate the two is ignorance at it's finest. Political beliefs should be based on your personal religious beliefs. If not, then your religious beliefs aren't very real or important to you. Both are set of personal beliefs of right and wrong. At least for conservatives anyways. I understand that liberalism is all about doing what benefits you the most, not about doing what is right.
---Jed on 9/11/12


They seem to think, they have permission to break the law. Because, somehow they think, well, if God can do it, so can I!
---TheSeg on 9/11/12

Actually is it because of the law that christians have policies which allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity,

Numbers 5:29 This [is] the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside [to another] instead of her husband, and is defiled,

Numbers 5:30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law

P S God NEVER breaks his/ the laws. Breaking the law is sin, and God cannot sin
---francis on 9/11/12


francis
How is going to war tribe against tribe with God's permission different from going to war against other nations where they killed everyone including pregnant women?

How is having God's permission different, just maybe you should explain it to me?
Seeing how you and your, are the ones who dont think they need it.


It also seems to me, thats the problem today with the ones who say they are keeping the law.
They dont, they just believe they are! Foolish arent they?

They seem to think, they have permission to break the law.
Because, somehow they think, well, if God can do it, so can I!
And then say there it is in the bible!

But it is up to them, right!
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/11/12


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---TheSeg on 9/11/12
How is going to war tribe against tribe with God's permission different from going to war against other nations where they killed everyone including pregnant women?


Then again are you saying that if someone's mother is God's adversary, it is OK to abort thier baby, francis

no, i am saying that you are twisting God's words to suit yourself.
---aka on 9/10/12
this was in the case of evil people that were occupying God's promised land to the Israelite.
-aka on 9/9/12

//So God is the one who sent them to war against another tribe.//

what part of God's adversaries don't you understand? as opposed to God's people don't you understand? no matter what their age.
---aka on 9/9/12
---francis on 9/11/12


francis
Judges_20:28 And the LORD said, Go up, for to morrow I will deliver them into thine hand.
This the lord did on the third day, they were deliver into their hand!

This is proof of that. Jdg_20:48!
also they set on fire all the cities that they came to!


The lord did not say:
Jdg_21:11 And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man.
That command was not given by the lord!
No matter how you want to look at it!

This was a decision made by the congregation!
Jdg_21:10 And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying,
Jdg_21:11!

I hope everyone sees that!
---TheSeg on 9/11/12


//Then again are you saying that if someone's mother is God's adversary, it is OK to abort thier baby,// francis

no, i am saying that you are twisting God's words to suit yourself. you have to.
---aka on 9/10/12


Are you that ignorant that you think there is no correlation between politics and religion? To try to separate the two is ignorance at it's finest. Political beliefs should be based on your personal religious beliefs.
---Jed on 9/10/12
Your views in every blog is the republican agenda, be it on the poor, health care or abortion. So your view is not biblical but political.
---francis on 9/9/12
---francis on 9/10/12


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Well I do not think that you are intellegent enough to know the difference. Your views in every blog is the republican agenda, be it on the poor, health care or abortion. So your view is not biblical but political.
---francis on 9/9/12

Are you that ignorant that you think there is no correlation between politics and religion? To try to separate the two is ignorance at it's finest. Political beliefs should be based on your personal religious beliefs. If not, then your religious beliefs aren't very real or important to you. Both are set of personal beliefs of right and wrong. At least for conservatives anyways. I understand that liberalism is all about doing what benefits you the most, not about doing what is right.
---Jed on 9/10/12


Jdg 21:2 And the people came to the house of God, and abode (there till even before God,) and lifted up their voices, and wept sore,
(this is now the fourth day)
(where is and the lord said?)
---TheSeg on 9/9/12

Judges 20:18 And the LORD said, Judah shall go up first.

Judges 20:23 And the LORD said, Go up against him.



Judges 20:28 And the LORD said, Go up, for to morrow I will deliver them into thine hand.
---francis on 9/10/12


--TheSeg on 9/9/12
Yes they went to God and God gave them permission to go to war, and they did, but later regretted that they had almost destroyed an entire tribe.

I do hope you read the entire story from chapter 19 to chapter 21.
---francis on 9/10/12


Jdg 20:28
And the LORD said, Go up, for to morrow I will deliver them into thine hand.
Jdg 20:30
And the children of Israel went up against the children of Benjamin on the third day
(and on this day they were deliver, as the lord said!)


(Let read this together.)
Jdg 21:2 And the people came to the house of God, and abode (there till even before God,) and lifted up their voices, and wept sore,
(this is now the fourth day)
(where is and the lord said?)

Jdg 21:3 And said, O LORD God of Israel, why is this come to pass in Israel, that there should be to day one tribe lacking in Israel?

Your welcome, francis!
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/9/12


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---aka on 9/9/12
The tribes of Israel are God's adversary?
A baby in the womb is God's adversary?
Numbers 5:29 This [is] the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside [to another] instead of her husband, and is defiled, is about God adversary?

Then again are you saying that if someone's mother is God's adversary, it is OK to abort thier baby, but if they are beleivers it is not OK?


---Jed on 9/9/12
Well I do not think that you are intellegent enough to know the difference. Your views in every blog is the republican agenda, be it on the poor, health care or abortion. So your view is not biblical but political.
---francis on 9/9/12


//So God is the one who sent them to war against another tribe.//

what part of God's adversaries don't you understand? as opposed to God's people don't you understand? no matter what their age.

you pervert God's word for your own sake. vanity.
---aka on 9/9/12


--aka on 9/9/12
Judges 20:27-28 And the children of Israel enquired of the LORD,...And the LORD said, Go up, for to morrow I will deliver them into thine hand.

So God is the one who sent them to war against another tribe.

You do not consider new born babies who are still breastfeeding inocent?

Read the SDA guidelines on abortion, and you will get a better idea of what it really said.

I told you guys in another blog that you can be 100% against abortions and 100% pro choice.

Also read you own church guidelines on abortion and compare it to the SDA guidelines
---francis on 9/9/12


And of course, Francis is going to continue to twist scriptures in order to support his belief in legalized abortion. A practice which he appears to have made his sole purpose for posting on ChristiaNet. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen a single post from Francis in which he was not trying to justify abortion by twisting scriptures. Yet at the very same time he claims to be completely against abortion. Sounds like a very confused individual.
---Jed on 9/9/12


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francis, did the lord commend this, Jdg 21:11 or the congregation?

It seems the lord did command this, 1Sa 15:3!
But slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
Its also clear, 1Sa 15:33 Samuel said, as thy sword hath made women childless!

Forgive me, lord! But I have to ask why, why would you order such a thing.
Rom_12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath:
For it is written, Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord!

1Sa 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

Oh, I see!
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/9/12


---Mark_V. on 9/9/12

My point is that no believer in Christ is doomed to live a life of sin. Surely Job was not as you can see by the bible, and in the NT this is what it says:

2 Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Hebrews 12:1 let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us,
---francis on 9/9/12


get to know God better kiddo
---francis on 9/9/12

Quit using God's word for man's evil practice, gramps.

this was in the case of evil people that were occupying God's promised land to the Israelite.

jed said innocent babies.

this breaks the third commandment for you are using God's character for your own use...vanity and murder of innocent babies.
---aka on 9/9/12


Any doctrine that supports the killing of innocent babies does not come from GOD.
---Jed on 9/8/12

Judges 21:11 And this [is] the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. ( SOME OF THESE WOMEN WOULD HAVE BEEN PREGNANT)

1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

NO EXCEPTIONS for pregnant women, NOR for BABIES still breastfeeding!!


get to know God better kiddo
---francis on 9/9/12


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francis, maybe the phrase is not written that way, but it nevertheless is Truth. Only sinners need salvation. "For all sin and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23).

Then you said:
"This is a man made phrase, and not biblical to get you to belive that you are doomed to live a life of sin."

They are doomed if they do not believe by faith in the works of Jesus Christ and who He is.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18). Condemned means he is found guilty. Awaiting the sentencing.
---Mark_V. on 9/9/12


I want everybody to know that henceforth I will not answer a single question from anyone who is a member of a church that approves if pre-natal infanticide.

This revolting practice can in no way be justified from the Scriptures.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/8/12


Any doctrine that supports the killing of innocent babies does not come from GOD. It comes straight from HELL. But Francis, I guess your god is in hell.
---Jed on 9/8/12


Any church that builds hospitals where unborn babies are killed (to say nothing about transplanting baboon hearts into them after they are born) would serve doodoo sprinkled with toasted coconut for Communion.

Glory to Jesus Christ!!
---Cluny on 9/8/12


wow another topic you have railroaded cluny!!! you are really a very hateful person you can't get enough of your hate-riddled posts in one topic you have to post them in another (third topic with your adventist hospital agenda). this was the topic about Job but we will be subjected to cluny continuing with hate and his hate-filled preaching with his hate-laced agenda.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/8/12


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Any church that builds hospitals where unborn babies are killed (to say nothing about transplanting baboon hearts into them after they are born) would serve doodoo sprinkled with toasted coconut for Communion.
---Cluny on 9/8/12

Maybe the SDA church know something about what the BIBLE says about terminating a pregnancy that you reject, like you reject the sabbath, eating unclean meats, and worshiping the creator

maybe you wish to know what it is thet SDA know from the bible about terminating a prgnancy

Our doctrine does not come from GOP it comes from GOD
---francis on 9/8/12


---Mark_V. on 9/8/12
Sorry but the phrase "sinner saved by grace" did not appear anywhere in any of the scriptures you posted. The bible NEVER referrs to children of God as "sinners saved by grace."

This is a man made phrase, and not biblical to get you to belive that you are doomed to live a life of sin.

But the bible I use KJV says:
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name

It does not say that he has given us the power to be sinners saved by Grace
---francis on 9/8/12


\\Get it cluny, it calls us saints
---francis on 9/7/12\\

Not if you kill babies, you aren't.

Any church that builds hospitals where unborn babies are killed (to say nothing about transplanting baboon hearts into them after they are born) would serve doodoo sprinkled with toasted coconut for Communion.

Glory to Jesus Christ!!
---Cluny on 9/8/12


francis, you now ask, as the Pharisees ask,
"Then show ANY text which referrs to God's people as " SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE."

Here is what Jesus said "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance" (Luke 5:32). Because only sinners need to be saved by Grace through faith. Those who think they are whole and righteous, don't seek healing, only those who know they sinners need a doctor.
"Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means, I desire mercy and not sacrifice." (Matt. 9:12,13)
---Mark_V. on 9/8/12


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Ephesians 2:5 is one such place. "Sinner saved by grace" is merely a combination of these two Biblical teachings.
---Cluny on 9/7/12

DEAD wrong again
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, ....Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God,

Here it says that those who are saved are fellowcitizens with THE SAINTS, not with the sinners, with the SAINTS

Get it cluny, it calls us saints
---francis on 9/7/12


\\"In our current culture, we have added a cletche' which is not biblical: " SINNER SAVED BY GRACE."( FRANCIS)

It is not a cletche,
---Mark_V. on 9/7/12 \\

There is no such thing as a "cletche." That is a non-word.

The proper word is "cliche", frequently there's an acute accent on the last letter, but my system won't put it here.

Of course, the Bible says that ALL of us are sinners. Several times it also says that we are "saved by grace." Ephesians 2:5 is one such place. "Sinner saved by grace" is merely a combination of these two Biblical teachings.

But i've noticed that what the Bible says means little to SDAs.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/7/12


"In our current culture, we have added a cletche' which is not biblical: " SINNER SAVED BY GRACE."( FRANCIS)

It is not a cletche,
---Mark_V. on 9/7/12

Then show ANY text which referrs to God's people as " SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE."
---francis on 9/7/12


francis, you said,

"In our current culture, we have added a cletche' which is not biblical: " SINNER SAVED BY GRACE."

It is not a cletche, you are a sinner saved by Grace if you are saved. If not you are a sinner not saved by grace. It is written in the Bible if you believe the Bible.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, (Now hear this) not of works, lest anyone boast"
Did you hear that? "Not of works" So your works mean zero. And you are a sinner, no matter the amount of Old Testament passages you give. Only God can change you, if He so desires to save you by His grace.

---Mark_V. on 9/7/12


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Was Job perfect. Our Father says he was, read the start of the book of Job. If still unsure read the end of the book and see who had to repent and give an offering. Not Job. So what was Jobs problem? He didnt quite understand till he was shown, and thats not a sin.
---toby on 9/7/12


Francis, of course we should not go on sinning so that grace may abound. That doesn't mean that we are not going to ever commit another sin. That just means we shouldn't abuse God's grace by purposefully live a sinful lifestyle. Paul is saying that God's grace is not a free pass to sin. He did not say we will never sin again. In fact, he said that if you claim to be without sin you are a liar and the truth is not in you. Should we purposefuly sin just because God is gracious? Of course not. Will we make mistakes and sin from time to time? Absolutely. Read the whole book instead of taking one scripture out of context.
---Jed on 9/6/12


"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
---Jed on 9/6/12

"Have sinned," is past tense

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:15 shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace?

I await your answers
---francis on 9/6/12


Francis, I didn't say that you SHOULD be with sin. I said that you ARE with sin and DO sin.

"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"

"If any man lives and says he is without sin he is a liar and the truth is not in him"

Even the most greatest examples of holy men in the Bible admitted their daily struggles with sin. Paul spoke about his struggles with sin constantly. Are you greater than these men?
---Jed on 9/6/12


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---Jed on 9/5/12
why should I be with sin?


1 John 3:5 ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins,

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil,
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother
---francis on 9/6/12


Francis, if you think that you are without sin then you aren't even saved.
---Jed on 9/5/12


In our current culture, we have added a cletche' which is not biblical: " SINNER SAVED BY GRACE."

Because we accept that we are sinners saved by grace more so than sons and daughters of God, Hiers together with Christ, saints of the most high God, perfect, righteous, and children of God, we tend to think that our lives revolve around sin and forgiveness, rather than obedience unto righteousness
---francis on 9/4/12


I personally think the book of Job is an ancient narrative, Why?
It starts of with the killing of innocent wife and kids,(to prove a point) ends up with mega livestock,"Nowhere in the land were there found women as beautiful as Job's daughters" So he gets better looking girls, were the first ones ugly??? since they were obviously excess baggage! Nah, it's a story!
---1st_cliff on 9/4/12


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he was perfect in his position (son of God) not perfect in his preformance (daily life).
---Scott1 on 9/4/12
Through the book of Job, Job examines his life for any sins, or hidden desires of the heart that are sinfull,a nd he comes out with nothing.

Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take: [when] he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.
---francis on 9/4/12


he was perfect in his position (son of God) not perfect in his preformance (daily life).
---Scott1 on 9/4/12


Hi, 1st_cliff (c: You wrote > "Ask the people of New Orleans if rain was a blessing?" Yes, there are New Orleans people who would say hurricane rain is not a blessing. But others would say people make rain a problem by not preparing like they could.

Also, the Mississippi water has industrial materials which can spoil farm land if the Mississippi gets free of the levees, but this is not the fault of the water that could do so much good for farmers and wildlife.

So, not sinning includes not doing what will spoil us so we don't benefit from how God blesses us.

Francis, I'd say we need our attention to how to live well with God, not only to if we can stay away from sin, but how to live instead.
---willie_c: on 9/4/12


When Job saw the LORD he repented, he himself said (Job 42:6). And it does not say the LORD corrected him about feeling he needed to repent. "But the LORD said he was perfect."

In any case, what might have helped Job to be perfect? He was doing sacrifice in order to watch out for his children, in case they sinned against God (Job 1:5). So, he was not only trying to make himself perfect, but he was caring about others. Loving others as ourselves can help us be in God's love where there is no sin! (c:
---willie_c: on 9/4/12


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Do you believe Job was perfect in all the chapters of Job?
---Tweety_Bird on 9/2/12

That is an easily ansered question. Just see what The Bible says:

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie,
---francis on 9/3/12


Cluny, the book of job says the lord called him a perfect and an upright man, Job 1:8!
Nowhere does it say he was sinless. But, that the lord called him perfect and an upright!

So, as far as I am concerned, he was a perfect and an upright man!
If the lord say it, who am I to say he was not a perfect and an upright man?

So, be it he have sin.
Rom_14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Doesn't it then become a question of whether God can forgive sin?
Mat_12:5 Christ say this, are blameless!
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/3/12


Job was an extremely good man. He is named amoung the three men that the Lord listed as being the best: Ezechiel 14:14, and 14:20. Having said all this, Job was still a sinner in need of a Saviour.
To understand Job 1:1 study the word "perfect". Once you understand the biblical meaning, then you'll understand what the scriptures to be teaching.
---trey on 9/3/12


I don't doubt that Job was exceptionally pious and faithful among the Gentiles. He is commemorated on the Orthodox Calendar on 6 May.

However, he was NOT perfect. The Bible says there is NO mortal who lives and does not sin. Furthermore, Hebrews says the righteous of the Old Testament would not be "made perfect" apart from us.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/3/12


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It looks like Elihu was saying Job justified himself while answering to his three friends (Job 32:1-2). And later the LORD did not criticize Elihu like He did the three friends > Job 42:7-9. Plus Job himself with the LORD says,

"Therefore I abhor myself,
.And repent in dust and ashes."
. . . . . . . . (Job 42:6)

I see we have a higher standard . . . not to justify ourselves even if we are innocent, and "giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ," (Ephesians 5:20) - - instead of cursing the day we were born if we get into a very hard thing.
---willie_c: on 9/3/12


Job chapter 13, I think, lays out a strong argument that Job had a right on understanding of God. (and one of my favorite chapters when I am feeling crushed by the world!)

And of the lot of them, I think Elihu had the best narrative....
---chip on 9/2/12


Do I believe Job was perfect?
Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
On just the possibility, they might have!

But on the thought, he might!
Job 3:1 After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day.
Job 3:2 And Job spake, and said,
Job 3:3 Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.

Yes perfect!
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/2/12


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