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Had a disagreement with a young man who said that some Mormons are born again. His parents who are Assembly of God pastors and another AG pastor were sitting at the table and let him continue with this point. Is he right?

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Kathr, you never stop accusing people are calling them names. Nothing really has change in you. You tell follower,
"If you only used CAPS once, you would not look like some mad dog foaming at the mouth."
A mad dog foaming at the mouth, that is just plain evil coming from someone who just said:
"What is your position on being obedient unto death of the cross, as THAT alone is the mind we are to have in us?"
Then you asked him how he feels, suggesting you have the mind of Christ, after saying he looks like a mad dog. Please, don't group youself with those who are really in Christ. No Christian should ever speak as you have to Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses or any human being. Read (2 Tim. 2:13-16).
---Mark_V. on 9/21/12


One could slowly read John 3:1-21 and see that Mormons are not born again. Or use several hundred more verses to disprove their theology. The so called Pastors violate Colossians 4:5-6 and 1Peter 3:15 at least.
p.s. giving a woman the title of Pastor (a male only position) is extremely problamatic at least, 1Corinthians 14:33-38, 1Timothy 2:9-15.
---Glenn on 9/20/12


Lawrence...Mormons are NOT a triune godhead group.
---KarenD on 9/18/12


But . . . also . . . now . . . like how there are ones who know they are false Christians, we can have politicians who know they are not liberals, but they say they are so they can get votes.
---willie_c: on 9/15/12

Yes and vice versa. There are many Conservatives who are not christians at all, who will pander to the Religious Right JUST FOR VOTES!
---kathr4453 on 9/16/12


The mormans Is an offspring from here, Rev. 17 v's 4 - 6, because they are a triune godhead group. Teachings Not valid of God, but God Did Validate to put them here, Rev.17 v's 4 - 6.
---Lawrence on 9/15/12




Well, there is still real Christianity, even while ones have made up what is nothing at all like real Christianity. This does not stop us from preaching Jesus and calling ourselves Christians.

And, like this, there may have been what was the right kind of liberal in politics, at some point. But now it has become a baby-killing and fake marriage thing, etc. This does not mean we should not have the right kind of being liberal. Also, there is the right kind of being conservative. Both that are scriptural can work well together.

But . . . also . . . now . . . like how there are ones who know they are false Christians, we can have politicians who know they are not liberals, but they say they are so they can get votes.
---willie_c: on 9/15/12


Follower, you're sounding like you have mental issues here.

Please tell us all how "CHRIST CRUCIFIED" is a Liberal agenda? Please tell us how being Crucified with Christ is LIBERAL.

I PUSH NEITHER AGENDA. Can't you get that through your head. So YOU stop lying.

Now tell us this. In all your this and that, that this country was founded on Christianity.. Do you have a problem voting for Romney? Mormonism is not Christianity. So now the real TRUTH comes out here Follower, are you voting for CHRISTIANITY or MORMONISM?

Not all conservatives are CHRISTIAN. So, are you voting for CHRISTIANITY or Conservatism?

Even Satan can turn himself into a Preacher of righteousness.
---kathr4453 on 9/15/12


And I go through the same spiritual battles for months on end, until one day that spirit goes after someone else. Hate does not change the circumstances, it changes you, so be very careful that you answer with the Truth.
The elect come from all places, no one can see the hearts of those that God is going to change. They only see the outside of men, not the inside.
---Mark_V. on 9/15/12


"No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier." (2 Timothy 2:4)

"Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth." (Colossians 3:2)

"but they did not ask counsel of the LORD." (in Joshua 9:14) "Test all things, hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) "And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body, and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)
---willie_c: on 9/15/12


It's obvious you absolutely hate liberals and liberalism.

Another lie?? interesting, nothing else to contribute? resorting to childish attacks and more lies? irrational because your identity is liberalism not Christianity, emotionally tied up defending your liberal stand at all costs which include outright lies!! I know that's your gig I see other posters ask why you make up stuff. I must admit that vortex of yours is almost like an evil bottomless pit of mind games sprinkled with an occasional pointless quote from scripture. I see through you and adding a quote or two from scripture does not help hide and cover your true motive? I'm finished being your entertainment go find someone else to amuse yourself with. peace
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/14/12




because liberal agenda has destroyed many long established Christian foundations in America.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/14/12

Examples and how
---francis on 9/14/12


Wow Follower, You said liberal this or that 7 times. If you only used CAPS once, you would not look like some mad dog foaming at the mouth.

It's obvious you absolutely hate liberals and liberalism.

Now, to get back to my last post...how exactly do you feel about the CROSS? What is your take on Christ Crucified. What is your position on being obedient unto death of the cross, as THAT alone is the mind we are to have in us?

You like Eve have usurped authority over your Head, that is Jesus Christ. Apostate Christianity is exactly that. The unfaithful bride who runs after political harlotry.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/12


Trish and Kathr thank you for proving my point. You identify more with liberalism, per your very own words, then you do Christianity. maybe that is why you defend and support liberalism more than Christianity. .

oh and by the way liberals also brought the removal of prayer from school, the removal of God from public and government spaces and various traditions. call me a liar and pretend you don't see facts of liberal destruction, because liberal agenda has destroyed many long established Christian foundations in America. you gush with all the things liberals have done forgetting your liberal agenda cannot give you salvation. It seems to be you who trash talks Christianity to defend and hold liberalism in a higher regard!!
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/14/12


The real issue is these non-biblical wanna be Christians are what we see in Revelation, apostate Christianity riding on the back of the political powers of the world. Riding the beast. And you will see their outcome, ALL their wealth and riches gone, in one blink...

and even with Jed's pest control business..( probably why he got into that in the first place) will not be powerful enough to exterminate any pestilence God has coming your way.

Oh for a while THEY will be able to buy and eat, because THEY will have teh mark of the beast all over them.

Jed and Follower, You need Christ NOW to save you from the wrath to come! All your conservative politics will not be able to stop it.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/12


Conspiracy theorists unite. Follower is a believer in such theories. Spreading lies about Liberals is a sin, because lying is a sin. I know they're lies. Believing in the First Amendment is not anti-Christian. It's pro-freedom of religion for people of all faiths. Calling me names and making assumptions about me doesn't change the Truth. This country is ruled by the United States Constitution, not the Holy Bible. That Constitution affords all people the right to practice their faith without interference from the government. No Liberal has tried to outlaw Christians from practicing their faith. To say otherwise is a lie.
---Trish on 9/13/12


Liberals brought this country:
Civil Rights
The Women's Right to Vote
National Parks
Clean Air
Clean Water
Minimum Wage
Worker Safety
Consumer Protection

Go ahead, and trash talk the Liberals.
---Trish on 9/13/12


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You really need to repent of bearing false witness, because that is what you have done.

More defending and supporting of liberalism. Liberalism is against God, seeking to remove (and has removed) God from many public and government places and long established practices in America. You believe marriage of gays and killing babies is good among many other liberal policies? American government is being destroyed by liberal agenda liberals will stop at nothing to take God out of everything. You defend this outright evil call liberalism good and attempt to smear me as a liar!!! you demand I repent from not serving the liberal god? never. I serve the Lord Jesus not liberal agenda against Christianity.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/13/12


Follower: What have you been reading? Are you watching Fox News, or listening to Rush's diatribes?

Your dribble about liberals is such a pack of lies. You really need to repent of bearing false witness, because that is what you have done.

Prior to Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority, religion did not align itself to one political point of view. He turned politics into a church issue.

Jimmy Carter is a lifelong Democrat, and a born again believer who teaches Sunday School in his Baptist church.
---Trish on 9/13/12


Jed, I just thought of something. If I start using all caps in my posts will that make my posts more important and more right? I'm wondering if she is about to self-implode?
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/13/12


Liberalism is like a cancer. It starts slow, it eats away at the very core and foundation of the values a society once held dear. Liberals hate Christianity and want every bit of God removed from anything in public space or government, and eventually their liberal laws will outlaw God completely. When you align yourself with evil and call it good for the purpose of progression you have sold out from righteousness and Gods way of life to tolerance and acceptance of the world and its ways. I would wonder why so many are pretending to be Christian while defending and aligning with liberalism when liberalism hates God, hates America and what it once stood for, and hates righteousness.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/13/12


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Follower, you better watch out, Kathr is using her ALL CAPS tone with you and I'm getting a little scared! Next, she's going to bring out the angry eyes! You really need to listen to her because typing something in ALL CAPS makes it much more important and true. When I saw Kathr's post and then I saw yours, I knew right away that Kathr was right and you were wrong because her message was filled with words in ALL CAPS and yours wasn't, so I knew right away she was right. In fact, I didn't even have to bother to read what her post actually said.
---Jed on 9/13/12


Oh Follower, please stop with the Gary North and Company CRAP.

MY For forefathers are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. My LIBERTY is IN CHRIST and my freedom came through Calvary, not the American Flag.

I only speak out of ONE SIDE, that is as Jesus stated, I am Crucified to this world, and teh world to me.

I do not believe or did Jesus ever teach RECONSTRUCTIONISM of planet earth.

Your Gospel is a false Gospel Follower. The sad part is, you don't even know how false it is.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/12


Amusing many here defend liberal destruction of American government while proclaiming Christianity. talking out both sides of mouth claiming Christianity on one side other side openly against God, against founding fathers of America, values America once stood for by preaching liberalism Fascinating to see people defend liberal government with no clue what they defend!! furthering clueless cause by demonstrating lack of American history gives new meaning to why Obama was elected in the first place! because his followers don't understand American government process or definition of liberal. fact is liberal ideals are against Christianity. curious thing how some Christians want to align themselves with liberalism

peace
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/13/12


A protestant Theocracy??, During the period of John Calvin's Geneva, and the Massachusetts Bay Colony of the "Puritans" in MA SET UP A STATE theocracy. Geneva we know ended in a blood bath. In MA, the citizens there were told to report any neighbors to the authorities for having a Christmas tree. It was illegal under THEIR RELIGIOUS LAWS.

Only UTAH today in America has a somewhat Theocratic state where the Mormon Church and the overwhelming Mormons in State office actually run everything.

But when did GOD personally appoint anyone here to office?

The hypocricy here is, Follower wants to 'USE' the democratic system for God appointed leaders. No one VOTED on King David or any other God appointed King in Israel.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/12


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Follower: There was an acknowledgement of God in certain founding documents. However, the First Amendment is clear that our government is not aligned to any one religion.

Early currency did not mention God. The original "Pledge of Allegiance," which was written by a Baptist minister, did not have the words, "under God." That was added later.

Ronald Reagan answered to astroglogers and paid lipservice to the Moral Majority for political gain.
---Trish on 9/12/12


If anyone cares to look up the definition of Theocracy, you will see that no democracy can operate under a Theocracy.

Democracy? really funny in America minority rules!! America was founded on Christianity. No idea which country you live that teaches no theocracy within government. America has long list of documents, its money supply, its government buildings, and other things shouting all about God. America started removing God and current President is putting on the finishing touches. Amazing how many are uneducated about American history and cannot grasp simple changes and shifts in government. Democracy is long dead and American government has shifted from under God to under liberalism and its god.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/12/12


WHAT MORMON THEOCRACY MEANS AND HOW IT WORKS:
The non -Mormon Salt Lake Tribune published a series on the Mountain Meadows Massacre, when Mormon settlers slaughtered a group of emigrants from Arkansas , September 11, 1858. The church has long tried to downplay the events. In 1999, an anthropologist studying the bones from a mass grave at the massacre site discovered that many of the victims had been shot in the face at close range, including young children.
The Tribune revealed Utah Gov. Mike Leavitt (a descendant of one of the killers), cut short the anthropologist's work and ordered the bones reburied in the desert to prevent further study. The Mormon Church tried to take over the Paper to keep from publishing these truths.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/12


"Christians" do not repent??? The Bible clearly teaches Christians repent..every day. And since I do not believe in sinless perfection, then "Christians" must repent of sins.

If anyone cares to look up the definition of Theocracy, you will see that no democracy can operate under a Theocracy. That's the issues with our Arab countries.

What I see Follower saying is, he does not believe in a Democracy, but a Conservative Theocracy leading to inquisitions and jihad. I know how he wants to push the moral agenda, but it's at the expense of the Cross. You cannot force someone's moral absolutes on those not saved, forcing them, as the RCC did, to convert or be killed, where many ESCAPED TO AMERICA for freedom .
---kathr4453 on 9/12/12


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It appears that some people have confused the words theocracy and theology.
---Trish on 9/10/12


People claiming Christianity with beliefs against the Lord Jesus are the ones lying to themselves with inability to understand their own beliefs and convictions. America is a liberal theocracy making sweeping changes against American citizens. When government is ruled by anything goes and not God (God has slowly been removed since prayer was removed from public school) it becomes a theocracy without God in other words liberal. It is extremely simple to undertand, any resistance to understanding because you want to believe your Christian when your actions prove you are not. Like Kath's lie that Christians do not repent!
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/12/12


It appears that some people have confused the words theocracy and theology.
---Trish on 9/10/12


Yes, and I can't for the life of me understand why Follower keeps saying Theocracy..as if there is a liberal Theocracy and conservative Theocracy.

Only "Kingdom Now", "Reconstructionist", "Dominionists" use such terminology.

Call all the names you want, your doctrine is FALSE!

Jed and Follower are actually the liberals here wanting to save planet earth.

The Lord is Coming you two, and it wont be until Christ Himself takes His earthly Thrown during the 1000 years that any renewal of a THEOCRACY will take place. All else is anti_Christ!
---kathr4453 on 9/11/12


Kath interesting you have more to say about nothing. You are not really here to have a discussion you simply talk at people and make unintelligent statements. When called on your junk you don't seek to explain you just toss out more junk. I proved by Gods Word you told a lie. It was a bold-faced lie. You are a liar who has an inability to comprehend the liberal theocracy you support and because you cannot comprehend simple things its impossible for you to comprehend you are not aligned with Christianity. good luck with living a double life it will cause stress and catch up with you later on.

peace
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/10/12


It appears that some people have confused the words theocracy and theology. While both have to do with God and religion, they have distinctly different meanings.
---Trish on 9/10/12


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Okay Kathr, you continue to make no sense. That last post of your was just bazaar. You're messages are very incoherant and full of assumptions of other people. Please see your doctor.
---Jed on 9/10/12


Oh I get it, Conservative Theocracy vs Liberal Theocracy. Interestingly The ONLY Theocracy was Israel, where KINGS were appointed by God, Not by popular vote through a democratic system, but thru the tribe of JUDAH ONLY. God has NEVER made a covenant with a Gentile Nation after. Unless of coarse you actually believe Joseph Smith and his NEW Gospel, finding some plates and preaching a new Gospel to AMERICA, setting their own City on the Hill, believing themselves to be the NEW JEW and this Gods new promise land and them Gods new chosen People. Sorry Follower, get in line with the Calvinists who started that and you all just stole from them.

America isnt a Theocracy. Theocracys never had voting booths on issues.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/12


Kathr, who did I lie about? Please, give me one instance where I told a specific lie about someone. I'm not talking about a matter of opinion, like what is irresponsible living or what is right or wrong. Calling someone's actions irresponsible is not lying about them, that's called an opinion. You just acused me of lying about others so I want to know what lie did I tell? When did I acuse someone of doing a specific thing that they did not do? Again, there is a difference between having a different opinion and lying. Because I can probably give a dozen specific things that you have actually lied about me over the past week. Like saying I don't have any friends. And that Follower of Christ and I are the same person. What lie did I tell?
---Jed on 9/10/12


.absolute Ignorance. Christianity has nothing to do with EITHER PARTY. So your name calling is a farce of all FARCES

do all caps help spread lies?? pure ignorance is all yoursdefinition of a liberal (noun) person of liberal principles or views, especially in politics or religion. interesting how liberals embrace all things contrary to the Lord Jesus and then have no clue their liberal theocracy is different then Christian theocracy, although clearly now we know seeing this one (Kath) doesn't even understand what a liberal is!!! as the written word states you cannot have two masters. oh and by the way, Kath, Jed and I disagree often a bit hard to do if you are one and the same person.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/10/12


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---Follower_of_Christ on 9/10/12


Follower, that's where Christianity has gone right over your head. Also there is no such thing as liberal Theocracy. You make me laugh with all your made up slogans. Are we suppose to be impressed? Or just supress our laughter?

I don't preach liberalism or conservatism..I preach CHRIST CRUCIFIED. I also preach we are crucified with Christ, no longer I but Christ in us, making us acceptable in teh Beloved, a member of HIS BODY, that's right His Risen life RE Born Again NOW with ETERNAL LIFE, that is, The Eternal life of Christ in us As we speak.

That's what YOU HATE follower. And you have the audacity to call yourself Follower of Christ? What Christ would that be?
---kathr4453 on 9/10/12


-- A Christian is someone who confesses and repents of his sins and seeks to live a life of obedience to God's laws and his holy word. --the opposite of a liberal.
---Jed on 9/9/12

No Jed, a Christian IS NOT someone who repents and SEEKS to live a life of obedience to God's LAWS and holy word...


Acts 17:30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, also Acts 2:38, 3:19 2 Peter 3:9, Revelation 2:5 and others.

Kath you are a liberal preaching liberal theocracy. You are bitter because you are being called out as a liberal preaching against God. You are a fraud speaking contrary to Gods holy word with your lie that a Christian is not someone who repents.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/10/12


Funny, I thought it was the Right wing conservative Glenn Beck movement that did...
---kathr4453 on 9/10/12

What are you talking about? Over the past week I have seen several posts from you putting down Glenn Beck and mocking the fact that he claims to be born again. You even acused me on another blog of listening to Glenn Beck instead of the Lord. Then you go on to defend irresponsible living and demonize successful people, just like a typical liberal. And now you are claiming to be a Glenn Beck conservative? You've got to be off your meds. Either that or you just don't know what liberals and conservatives stand for.
---Jed on 9/10/12


Jed on 9/10/12

That's the funniest post I've head so far. No Jed a "White Mormon" is a third generation Mormon who is considered sinless....

I only respond to YOUR hatred and lies about other brothers and sisters here online.

So it's liberals who DO consider Mormons Christians? Funny, I thought it was the Right wing conservative Glenn Beck movement that did...

Liberal or Conservative has nothing to do with the fact that Mormons do not believe in the Deity of Jesus Christ as the Son of God...who is NOT AN ANGEL.

Your conservative/liberal speak here is so ignorant Jed....absolute Ignorance. Christianity has nothing to do with EITHER PARTY. So your name calling is a farce of all FARCES.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/12


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Hi Marc, and the rest of you who misunderstood what I was trying to say.
My point is that it is possible for a man to be born again and not know the truths taught in the scriptures. How many of God's people today have perfect understanding on all scriptures? Answer: None. My point is that if it were a requirement in the "new birth" for one to have perfect understanding of God's word, none of us would be born again.

And "yes" I do believe the Mormons have a multitude of doctrinal problems, but that doesn't change God's love for them or their love for him.

Again, Lord bless each of you in your study of the scriptures.
---trey on 9/10/12


Kathr, are you off your meds again? It's really funny to read some of the outrageously presumptive comments you post, especially when you are so wrong. The hatred and angry assumptions that spew from your fingertips is just pitiful to say the least. You may want to check the other blogs, you would see that Follower and I don't always agree and have gotten into it before on other blogs. Also, I am not even a mormon. I never claimed to be and I have never defended their beliefs. I just find it very ironic that you, A LIBERAL, would say that mormons are not christians. It's also funny the way you expose your racism by calling me a "WHITE mormon" with "WHITE" in all caps.
---Jed on 9/10/12


-- A Christian is someone who confesses and repents of his sins and seeks to live a life of obedience to God's laws and his holy word. --the opposite of a liberal.
---Jed on 9/9/12

No Jed, a Christian IS NOT someone who repents and SEEKS to live a life of obedience to God's LAWS and holy word...

Monks claim the same thing don't they? vowing a life of poverty to boot?...

When you WILLFULLY "lie" about your brothers and sisters you have broken the LAW you CLAIM you obey, and are worthy of death according to God's LAW. And when you break one you break them ALL.

I see two so far: LYING and MURDER.

And you have the audacidy to preach to others? Romans 2 calls you a hypocrite of the worst form!
---kathr4453 on 9/10/12


Jed has no friends here so he had to make up an imaginary friend. POOR JED POOR FOLLOWER, THEY ARE SO POOR. NO FRIENDS!

Kath how old are you? Are you in grade school or was your emotional maturity left there? Are you going to start a game of patty-cake now? Your a braggart with lots of friends embracing people who live for the world, live for its traditions, celebrate murder of babies, celebrate gays even being friends with them in the name of tolerance with what God calls evil. So mixed up in your thoughts calling good evil because you surround yourselves with debased minds of immoral theocracy of liberalness? Kath celebrate your mormonism if you choose however I choose to Follow the Lord.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/10/12


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Interesting that Jed answers for Follower and Vice versa on these blogs. They are one in the same person. Don't be fooled , Jed has no friends here so he had to make up an imaginary friend. POOR JED POOR FOLLOWER, THEY ARE SO POOR. NO FRIENDS!

Also remember Mormons and Politics run hand in hand. Jed/Follower are fanatic WHITE Mormons...that is "sinless" Mormons, who look down their nose at you and every other TRUE CHRISTIAN here blogging about Jesus Christ and Him CRUCIFIED.

Why is Jed/Follower even on a Mormon Blog to begin with, stating Mormons are born again?


---kathr4453 on 9/10/12



yes I am saying that you can't be both a liberal and a christian.
Christians don't believe in murdering unborn babies. Christians don't believe in same-sex marriage. Christians don't take things they didn't work for. Christians don't believe in forced wealth-redistribution, they believe in charity. Christians don't vote for presidents based on skin color, that's called racism. Christians work to provide for their own families. Christians don't live beyond their means and then expect a bail out. There's simply not enough space to list all the reasons a liberal cannot be a christian.
---Jed on 9/8/12

It would be an oxymoron to be a liberal Christian
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/9/12


"...I am saying that you can't be both a liberal and a christian...There's simply not enough space to list all the reasons a liberal cannot be a christian."
---Jed on 9/8/12


Of course this is all Christianity according to you Jed. Who are you to say? Who made you god, Jed? :)
---Leon on 9/9/12


Kathr, yes I can say what a Christian is. A christian is someone who believes in his heart and confesses with his mouth that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him up from the dead. A Christian is someone who confesses and repents of his sins and seeks to live a life of obedience to God's laws and his holy word. In short, the opposite of a liberal.
---Jed on 9/9/12


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Jed, you have a lot of guts for saying what you say concerning what is called liberals. I have thought the same thing many times when elections come. I cannot possibly believe Christians would vote the way they do, since they are all called to do the will of God. Conservatives are sinners too, but they normally stick to the values and morals of the Lord.
But you have to understand, that no one knows who are the saved, only God knows the heart. In a congregation anyone sinning, because of the evidence of their fruits is seen, is told to stop. If they continue they are kicked out and to bring him to repentance. That happens to protect the rest of the flock. But no one has the power to see someone's heart. Only God has that power.
---Mark_V. on 9/9/12


Jed, on the other hand can you ABSOLUTELY state what Christians ARE? NO!

Christians ARE Crucified to this world and this world to them.

Christians have come out of MYSTERY BABYLON, AKA, THIS PRESENT EVIL WORLD.

Christians KNOW that for scripture to be fulfilled there will be a one world government/religion coming AND YOU CANNOT STOP IT...

And THAT is why we are crucified to this world, have been translated out of this present evil age IN CHRIST.

Your definition of Christian scares me...because you are as anti-Christ as the liberals and full of as much hate as the liberals, both earthly minded unregenerates!
---kathr4453 on 9/9/12


Revelation 13:16-17
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name..


Philippians 3:
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
---kathr4453 on 9/9/12


Leon, Kathr, yes I am saying that you can't be both a liberal and a christian. Christians don't believe in murdering unborn babies. Christians don't believe in same-sex marriage. Christians don't take things they didn't work for. Christians don't believe in forced wealth-redistribution, they believe in charity. Christians don't vote for presidents based on skin color, that's called racism. Christians work to provide for their own families. Christians don't live beyond their means and then expect a bail out. Christians believe in the right to protect their families, and make sure they have the means to do so if need be. There's simply not enough space to list all the reasons a liberal cannot be a christian.
---Jed on 9/8/12


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nobody has received eternal life and nobody is born again in this life. ..
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/7/12

Maybe you don't have eternal life Follower however scripture teaches we NOW KNOW WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE..The Moment Christ comes into us we are Born Again...here and now.

But yours may be some new-age teaching that is not found in scripture.

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/12


Where do you get that? I asked you before and you gave nothing then, maybe you have something you found. Israel never rules the Gentiles on earth.
---Mark_V. on 9/7/12

You believe as I do, Mark. God will accomplish all He desires, and none can stay His hand. I pray strength for you to read all these passages.

Dt 15:6, Dt 26:19, Ps 2:8, Ps 111:6, Isa 49:22-23,
Am 9:12, Isa 54:3, Isa 60:3, Isa 60:5, Isa 60:11, Isa 60:12, Isa 60:16, Isa 61:6, Isa 61:9, Isa 64:2, Ezk 20:41, Ezk 28:25, Mic 4:2, Zch 2:8, Zch 8:23, Ro 15:12, Eph 2:11-12, Re 2:26, Re 12:5

I have been faithful to you, now, will you be faithful to me, and read these declarations?
---Phil on 9/8/12


"...most people who claim to be christians are not born again. In fact, most of the people on this site who claim to be christians are in fact liberals
---Jed on 9/5/12

Please define liberal Jed since you're saying one can't be liberal & also be a Christian. Did you get that from the Bible? Also, the Mormon's Jesus (the Archangel Michael, a created being) is not the same as the Bible revealed Jesus (Son of God) of the catholic, baptist or pentecostal. Furthermore, if one is born again, he/she is no longer a Mormon!
---Leon on 9/6/12

AMEN. My question is, what makes Jed believe that conservatives ARE Christians? Some of teh most conservative people are not christians at all, like Glenn Beck the MORMON.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/12


Phil, a gentile is an unbeliever in God. The gentile could be a hindu, catholic, muslim, atheist, or even a person calls themselves Christian because all unbelievers are not following the Lord and what the Apostles taught. Israel will not rule the earth the Lord Jesus will rule as King of Kings from Jerusalem. All of those who receive eternal life will be ruling with him. nobody has received eternal life and nobody is born again in this life. The reward of being born again to spirit happens when the Lord returns to meet his bride (his church) and resurrect all of them to eternal life.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/7/12


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"all that other stuff" Trey? "All that OTHER stuff"?

What other stuff do Mormons share with Christians? Stuff like wearing celestial underpants? That we should worship Lucifer? That you are a god? That Father god had a god who made him, who had another father god who, yep, made him, who had yet another father god who..you guessed it, made him, and so forth, ad infinitum (?ad nauseum, as well?)?

Have I covered all that "other stuff", Trey, or do you have "other stuff" in mind?
---Marc on 9/7/12


Phil: Do I read you correctly? Because Paul didn't say it, it isn't important? Even when Jesus said it's required? Just because Jesus was speaking to a Jew, you're saying His words do not apply to us? Again, I saw zero exceptions in his statement to Nicodemus.

On what Scripture do you base your ridiculous statements? I have been a believer for all of my adult life, and have been taught the Word of God by Bible preaching pastors, and have NEVER heard anything so preposterous.
---Trish on 9/7/12


Phil, you do so good and then put down something you can never support, or that is not in the Word of God when you say,

"Israel will rule over the Gentiles on earth in the millennium"

Where do you get that? I asked you before and you gave nothing then, maybe you have something you found. Israel never rules the Gentiles on earth.
---Mark_V. on 9/7/12


Phil: Are you honestly saying that Jesus' words to Nicodemus do not matter anymore? I find your idea that being born again does not apply to people today RIDICULOUS.
Trish on 9/6/12

Please locate for me where Paul says it is required..

You will not find it.

We are save by grace, through faith, not of ourselves.

We are not of the regeneration G3824 Mt 19:28. It applies to Israel alone.

We are of the new creation Re 21:1 We are new creations in in Christ 2C 5:17

Israel will rule over the Gentiles on earth in the millennium

We will reign with Him in the heavens Eph 2:6
---Phil on 9/7/12


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trey,

99% of the people on this site are in trouble.

amy something good cannot come from something hideous.
there will be many who do miraculous feats in His Name, and he will say that he does not know them. how can that be?
---aka on 9/6/12


Mormons do not believe in the Trinity or that Jesus is God. They believe that a woman can only get to the highest level of Heaven if she is sealed in marriage to a Mormon man.
---KarenD on 9/6/12


Amy, Amen! I believe that also. I lived in Salt Lake City for a few years and have several friends who are Mormons. They love the Lord, and believe all that other stuff as well.
Rom3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Not believing the truths taught in the scriptures does not make change one from being a child of God, or exclude one from being born again by the Holy Spirit.
If it did, 99% of God's people on this website would be in trouble. (I'm counting you and me as the 1% that believe correctly...hehehe).
Lord bless you all.
---trey on 9/6/12


Phil: Are you honestly saying that Jesus' words to Nicodemus do not matter anymore? I find your idea that being born again does not apply to people today RIDICULOUS. I am no theologian, but I do not find any disclaimers in Scripture saying to ignore the books of John or 1 Peter.

Jesus' words in Scripture are the Gospel, and apply to any who would believe and have faith.
---Trish on 9/6/12


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"...most people who claim to be christians are not born again. In fact, most of the people on this site who claim to be christians are in fact liberals!...I think being a mormon is probably no different than being a catholic, baptist, or pentecostal. Some are born again and some aren't..."
---Jed on 9/5/12


Please define liberal Jed since you're saying one can't be liberal & also be a Christian. Did you get that from the Bible? Also, the Mormon's Jesus (the Archangel Michael, a created being) is not the same as the Bible revealed Jesus (Son of God) of the catholic, baptist or pentecostal. Furthermore, if one is born again, he/she is no longer a Mormon!
---Leon on 9/6/12


The so-called "born-again" experience only happens under the direct operation of God. It is not for this era.

The Lord told Nicodemus that all Israel (ye must be, pl.) born again, means regeneration. It is an earthly experience, not a celestial one.

The Body of Christ, both Gentile and Jew, is a spiritual organism.

We are new creations, not regenerated flesh. Until Christ returns and the Kingdom gospel is being preached, no one is being "born-again". It is strictly a Jewish phenomenon.
---Phil on 9/6/12


My brother is an Elder in the Community of Christ and I was raised in that church.
---KarenD on 9/5/12


I was raised A/G and my best friend in high school was Mormon. We were roommates my freshman year of college. My study of Mormonism and determination to "save" her destroyed our friendship. There are some truly hideous things in Mormonism. However, my friend loved Jesus. He was her savior. Would he condemn her to hell because she believed all this extra stuff? I could never say that. I think it's some of the leaders and men (many things are hidden from the women) that will be held accountable for some of their beliefs. I think only God truly knows the heart of a person, so yes, Mormons can be born again.
---Amy on 9/5/12


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KarenD, you don't think a mormon can be born again? Here's a flash for you, most people who claim to be christians are not born again. In fact, most of the people on this site who claim to be christians are in fact liberals! Talk about an oxymoron! I think being a mormon is probably no different than being a catholic, baptist, or pentecostal. Some are born again and some aren't. That's kind of ignorant to say that someone isn't born again simply because of their denomination.
---Jed on 9/5/12


He developed his point because Glenn Beck said he was a born again Mormon.
---KarenD on 9/5/12

Why is this preposterous?

It is relatively simple to become born again, is it not? So easy, a child can certainly do it?

I must also point out that in Luke 8 in the Parable of the Sower, three of the four seeds grow yet only one comes to maturity and bears fruit. It may look to some (including the person) that they are born again, yet they may eventually fall away or get choked out if they do not run with perseverance.

And that is where the rubber meets the road with the Mormon doctrine.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/5/12


KarenD,

I was talking about people who were more than likely raised LDS. Just as in AG, Baptist, Catholic, etc. some people are raised to belong to a particular persuasion, but their beliefs are influenced by culture, friends, and even their own imagination.

These people could even still attend the church they were raised in, and not adhere to all the church teachings.

I have mentioned before that I know an RLDS priest who is a board member at a Southern Baptist church. The goofy part is that he sees nothing wrong with their teachings, and they see nothing wrong with his beliefs.

How is that?
---James_L on 9/5/12


My family is rift with Mormons, some real, some "jack". If any of them are Christians, it would be the "Jack" Mormons, whom have a hard time swallowing some of the requirements of Mormonism. Yeah, they are not well thought of in the family. Certainly belief-wise, they are comparable with most any Baptist. Of course, that is not what would save them in the end!

And by what process did AOG'ers get classified as non-Christians?
---chip on 9/5/12


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JamesL...An LDS member who openly talks about doctrine that is not LDS will most likely be excommunicated.
---KarenD on 9/5/12


He developed his point because Glenn Beck said he was a born again Mormon.
---KarenD on 9/5/12


Two things to consider:

1) just as there are AG people who believe other than the official church teachings, and are therefore closer to the truth, there is such a thing as a Mormon not believing official church teachings, too.

2) it could be that "Mormon" was an all-inclusive word meaning anyone who believes that the Book of Mormon is true or that Joseph Smith was a true prophet. There are some RLDS (Community of Christ) churches that are very orthodox in most every other sense of the word
---James_L on 9/5/12


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