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Can a born-again Christian believe that there are many paths to heaven other than through Jesus Christ?

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Ysha is the path.
Second post:

The representation of the hidden aspect of [YHVH] (without end) is [Aleph/Tav](at)
In the beginning was the WordJn1:1
Gen 1:1
(Inbeginning) [bereshiyt]
[Elohyim](powers)[ bara at] (filled/fattened) [aleph tav] (at)
Aleph: (silent letter) ox head- strong, power, leader
Bet: tent floor-House, family, in: His Word in flesh (Jn1:1), His intention of dwelling/abiding/housing within the realm of creation- (Emmanuel) God with us. Is7:13-16,Matt1
Gimmel: foot- walk/run, gather, carry
How one chooses to (spring forth) run the race determines the outcome. Titus 3:4
---char on 10/16/12


It is God that confirms-His Word.Jn8:18,26-32,1Cor 2,1Jn5

//The Word of YaH...Saves
Yeshua/ (Aramaic),
Yehoshuah/Ysha (Hebrew)
Iesus (Greek)
Jesus (Latin)//
Elohyim: who is Spirit and Holy discerns/confirms/testifies the true meaning of His Word.
His Word: spoken and written.
The expressed origin of Himself to mankind
There is only one (righteous path) to God (definitive King)---and---the entrance to His Kingdom (His domain) That is His Word. Rev 3:20
How many paths to His word? God alone confirms it. In Spirit and In truth Jn4:23-24, 1Cor2
---char on 10/16/12


g, see how it works on cnet, yet?
---aka on 10/16/12


g, I'm sorry I did not answer you in the beginning. I can see the wolves gathering for the hunt. The same one's. I will again answer your question, since I do not want the blog to be about me, but about God,
you said,
"Answer this one question..
HOW does a person get the Spirit of God in them to become a child of God?
This sure doesn't happen before they are born into flesh."

A person does not get the Spirit of God in them to become a child of God.
A person is first born of the Spirit, then the Spirit indwells them baptizes them, and seals them. When a person receives spiritual life, faith is granted to him as a gift of that spiritual life.
For the glory of God.
---Mark_V. on 10/16/12


No way. No how.
---pat on 10/15/12




"The Bible says one must believe Christ is the Son of God." g

You say alot, now show passages to proof what you said is Truth? I will be waiting.
---Mark_V. on 10/15/12

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye might have life through his name.
---aka on 10/15/12


\\You say alot, now show passages to proof what you said is Truth? I will be waiting.\\
---Mark_V. on 10/15/12


Now THAT has to be about the funniest thing I've ever read from you, man.

pot calling the kettle black
---James_L on 10/15/12


g, you said to me,
"How does a person become born of the Spirit?
The Bible says one must believe Christ is the Son of God."

You say alot, now show passages to proof what you said is Truth? I will be waiting.
---Mark_V. on 10/15/12


MarkV,
Why the issue with my name?

Everyone chooses what they wish to be called. Why is my name such a big deal for you?
Why does it make you uncomfortable?
I am gracious, kind and very willing to listen regardless of what yours or anyone elses name is. The thing that is important is that we find the TRUTH.

So I ask again, How does one become born of the Spirit of God?
---g on 10/15/12


"Nana, I never used those other Mark V's you gave, other people did when they answered me."
Mark_V on 10/15/12

Guestion,
"HOW does a person get the Spirit of God in them to become a child of God?"
Mark_V. on 10/15/12
>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<
Mark_V has 7 votes
Mark_V. has 100 votes
MarkV. has 90 votes

What you say, "other people did when they answered me."?
You have a multiple personality disorder since in context it was you answering someone else without missing a beat!
---Nana on 10/15/12




A person needs to be born of the Spirit first, in order to be indwelled and sealed by the Spirit. Born of the Spirit //MarkV

Thanks graciously MarkV.

How does a person become born of the Spirit?

The Bible says one must believe Christ is the Son of God. But I am wondering what You think.
Do you think God makes them believe? or do think God give them a choice to believe?
Also, If God breathes life into all, one must wonder if God plants a measure of faith in all and then all have a choice to believe the truth or live in unbelief, Right?

At least that is what I get from reading the precious word of God.
I am really interested in what you think.
---g on 10/15/12


mark, any name without a full last name is as revealing if 1 letter as 100.

do you think mark_v says anything more than g?

and just how is it that i am lucky?
---aka on 10/15/12


Nana, I never used those other Mark V's you gave, other people did when they answered me. I have only used this one name, and my name is Mark. Aka should be so lucky I used also the first letter of my last name. At least I gave my name and didn't hide behind a simple g.
---Mark_V on 10/15/12


Guestion,
"HOW does a person get the Spirit of God in them to become a child of God?"

A person needs to be born of the Spirit first, in order to be indwelled and sealed by the Spirit. Born of the Spirit

"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved "us" when we were "dead" in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ by grace you have been saved, and raised up together,.." (Eph. 2:4-6).

"Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the "dead" will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live" (John 5:25). unbelievers are dead in trespasses and sin
---Mark_V. on 10/15/12


---Rita_H on 10/14/12

There is no other Mediator, and God has given Him a name above all other names.

Creating man in His image is the purpose of creation, redemption being only part of it. He is not finished, except with One, the man Christ Jesus.

Col 1:20 ...by him to reconcile all things unto himself, by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.

All is not yet reconciled. There is work to do.

1C 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Our bodies will be changed to serve Him, reconciling the things in heaven yet in rebellion. Eph 3:10
---Phil on 10/14/12


It is impossible for a truly born again Christian to believe that there are any other ways to God except via Jesus. Jesus Himself said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father EXCEPT BY ME."

Anyone believing otherwise is calling Jesus a liar.
---Rita_H on 10/14/12


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As far as christianet is concerned, all of these are separate members:

MarkV.
Mark_V.
Mark_v.
Mark_V
Mark_v (no longer a member...)

I see no problem with "g". Would it be ok if it was "G"?
---Nana on 10/14/12


g, I will answer you when you stop hiding behind a "g"
There is no shame in putting your name down, unless you want to hide who you are.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/12

for what does "V." stand?
---aka on 10/14/12


g, I will answer you when you stop hiding behind a "g"
There is no shame in putting your name down, unless you want to hide who you are.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/12


Salvation hinges on the will of God and not on the will of man"
MarkV

And the will of God is this...

That he sent his only begotten son to die for the sins of...(here it comes) THE WHOLE WORLD.
That who ever believes in HIM(Jesus, dying for their sins) should never die but have everlasting life.
I see MarkV you still have not learned how to distinguish who what and when in the Bible.

Answer this one question..
HOW does a person get the Spirit of God in them to become a child of God?
This sure doesn't happen before they are born into flesh.
---g on 10/13/12


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Paul says
1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Why?

Rom.2:16 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

What is Paul's gospel?
1Cor 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
What will you do with Paul's gospel?
---michael_e on 10/13/12


"Nana, unbelievers are asked to repent, yet, they are not willing."
Mark_V.

John said, "O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"
and "Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."?
Also, "Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance.." and "And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."

And what the people asked him? "What shall we do then?"
So, they were willing. There have always been willing men to which God says, "Isaiah 1:19 "If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land".
---Nana on 10/13/12


The Scriptures clearly state in many places He is the Saviour of ALL men, believers in particular.

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

There are many forces preventing the ecclesia from believing Paul and God.

Creeds, traditions, false doctrines, and the Adversary as well, all play a part in the unfolding of the manifestation of the sons of God. Eph 3:10

He will reconcile all things. He is powerful and sovereign. His blood will avail, and His creation will be fully restored.

All of it, from front to back.
---Phil on 10/13/12


Ruben, I do not know what your point is but you said:

"Mark, Which are the ones granted by the Father?
Answer: Those whom the Father drew to Himself (v.44)
And those "Jesus will raise up at the last days"


You then say, "Verse 45 tells us " Anyone who hears the Father and learns from him comes to him"

The passage says,
"And they (speaking of those whom the Father drew to Himself) shall all be taught by God. Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me" God draws them, they heard and learned from the Father before they go to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 10/13/12


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And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father" (John 6:65) Jesus said it again because in (John 6:44) He had already told them.

---Mark_V. on 10/6/12

Mark,

Which are the ones granted by the Father?

Verse 45 tells us " Anyone who hears the Father and learns from him comes to him"
---Ruben on 10/12/12


Nana, unbelievers are asked to repent, yet, they are not willing. They are not willing because God is not their father. In Isaiah (1:19) He says,
"If you are willing and obedient you shall eat the good of the land. but if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured by the sword" Those who rebel are not willing, so they are found guilty. Jesus said,
"If God were your Father you would love Me,..." Jesus exposed them, they didn't belong to God.
"Why do you not understand My speech?" they didn't listen:
"Because you are not able to listen to My Word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do" (John 8:42-44).
---Mark_V. on 10/12/12


Jed, there is only one path and one way, through the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the way, the Truth and the life. being good without Christ is only sin. It does not glorify the Lord, so glorifies man.
A born again Christian knows there is only one way. Apostate Christians have many ways.
---Mark_V. on 10/10/12


Jack B, those same circle of Scriptures are the one's you avoid in order to hold on to your free will theory. By the way, those circle of Scriptures were by Jesus Christ. Not good enough I see.
Nothing in Scripture about "free will" for salvation. Just another man made theory to glorify man over God. And you have the nerve to argue with francis and Follower about keeping the law of works, when you yourself believe in your own works of righteousness, your own free will.
---Mark_V. on 10/8/12


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Isaiah 1:2_4 "Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.
The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider. Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward."

To the very same people, Isaiah 1:17 "Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow."
Said to common folk:
"Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."
---Nana on 10/7/12


Still stuck in the same circle of scriptures I see.
---JackB on 10/7/12


Kathr opposes God's right to choose whom He wills to choose. She says,

"Making idle comments about how only certain people are chosen to be saved and anyone else who tries to approach God will be struck down with anger like Uzzah, is the most horrible lie that can come out of anyone's mouth."
Jesus Christ our Savior contradicts her words,

"And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father" (John 6:65) Jesus said it again because in (John 6:44) He had already told them.
No one seeks after God of those who are lost. (Rom. 3:11)
"There is none who understands, There is none who seeks after God"
---Mark_V. on 10/6/12


If Phil can totally distort God word about Uzzah, he can also destort God's word about anything...---kathr4453 on 10/4/12

I admire you for your borderline turpitude. You come from a place in the heart that marks who you are.

Your use of labels and censure are unparalled by anyone else visiting this site for truth and knowledge of God.

Please feel the freedom to use vitriol in the place of humility when addressing others you disagree with. This will aid the rest who read, to discern who is approved of God or not.
---Phil on 10/5/12


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Only one path to eternal life by following and obeying the Lord.

Isaiah 48:17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel, I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Zechariah 3:7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/4/12


No thanks, Mark. I don't need your help. I don't feel the need to be loved by God more than the rest of the world. Just knowing that He loves me enough to die for me is good enough for me.

Were you by chance raised one of many siblings?
---JackB on 10/4/12


Making idle comments about how only certain people are chosen to be saved and anyone else who tries to approach God will be struck down with anger like Uzzah, is the most horrible lie that can come out of anyone's mouth. Or is it just plain ignorance? Either way, your lies and words will one day come back on you as God WILL hold YOU personally accountable.

And then you say.."oh it doesn't matter, everything is already decided and our words can't change anything", Is something someone would say who is totally controlled by Satan.

If Phil can totally distort God word about Uzzah, he can also destort God's word about anything...
---kathr4453 on 10/4/12


Marc, here is what you had to say:
"Why would God tell people to choose if people do not have a will and are incapable of making a choice on their own? The very fact that the word "choose" is in the Bible even once is proof that people do have the ability to act on their own will."
People do have a choice and a will, which is the very reason they are held accountable. God is not ask to chose anyone, He choses whomsoever He wants. You defend the rights of man to choose over the rights of God to choose. How many times does the Bible tells us God chooses?.
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
---Mark_V. on 10/4/12


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Conclusion: 1 Chronicles 15:11-15

11 Then David summoned Zadok and Abiatbar the priests, and Uriel, Asaiah, Joel, Shemaiah, Eliel and Amminadab the Levites.
12 He said to them, "You are the heads of the Levitical families, you and your fellow Levites are to consecrate yourselves and bring up the ark of the LORD, the God of Israel, to the place I have prepared for it.
13 It was because you, the Levites, did not bring it up the first time that the LORD our God broke out in anger against us. We did not enquire of him about how to do it in the prescribed way."
14 ---. 15 And the Levites carried the ark of God with the poles on their shoulders, as Moses had commanded in accordance with the word of the LORD.
---kathr4453 on 10/3/12


Mat_22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Mar_13:20 but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Joh_6:70 Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Joh_13:18 I know whom I have chosen:

Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:

Joh_15:19 but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Act_1:24 these two thou hast chosen,
Act_10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God,

Who are those who believe?
The chosen of God!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/3/12


Free will is a myth. It implies God allowed a his sovereignty to be compromised. It is a false teaching and a glorifies the creature above the Creator.

No where is it taught in the Scriptures.
---Phil on 10/3/12

Do you know how many times the word "choose" is found in scripture? I sure don't know how many times, it has probably never been counted. But I know it is quite alot. Why would God tell people to choose if people do not have a will and are incapable of making a choice on their own? The very fact that the word "choose" is in the Bible even once is proof that people do have the ability to act on their own will.
---Jed on 10/3/12


No one is going to heaven unless they have had their sin washed away by the Blood of Jesus Christ. SO NO, no one was God who was made flesh who took our sin upon him and died in our place.

If you happen to find another Lamb of God to wash away your sin, and that is Not the Promised Messiah/Christ of Scripture...NO you will not go to heaven.

We know Jesus Christ was/is, and God testifying to it by raising up Jesus Christ from the Dead.

Mother Theresa was a false teacher who told everyone to be the best they could be...Be the best Buddha, or Best Muslim, or best this or that. WRONG!
---kathr4453 on 10/3/12


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---Phil on 10/3/12


Oh but Priase God He sent His Son, Jesus Christ so that man could come into the presence of God without FEAR. Without Jesus, no one can come to the Father. We can now come BOLDLY to the throne of Grace.

Story of Uzzah:
So as they transported the glory of God in a way that was irreverent to God they came to a place of judgment and God judged them, unfortunately for Uzzah he was the one who reached out and touched the Ark, another sign of disobedience for the word of God because they had broken every law about transporting the Ark he presumed God would overlook this one too because they were after all taking the Ark to the Holy City

God isn't carried around on POLES in a Box today!
---kathr4453 on 10/3/12


Jack, my intelligence does not reveal the Truth to me, the Spirit does. You can be the smartest guy in the world, and still be lost. Let me help you:
Lets find out who believes in Jesus and become children of God.

"to those who believe in His name, (here it comes) who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, "(now hear this)" "nor of the will of man" (not your free will) but of God"
Only those born of God believe and become children of God. The one's born of God. ( John 1:12-13).
" Salvation hinges on the will of God and not on the will of man"
"So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy" (Rom. 9:16).
---Mark_V. on 10/3/12


Jesus knew that later in history all Gentiles would be included in the redemption plan, ------Mark_V. on 10/3/12

Gee Wiz, make up your mind!
---kathr4453 on 10/3/12


Free will is a myth. It implies God allowed a his sovereignty to be compromised. It is a false teaching and a glorifies the creature above the Creator.

No where is it taught in the Scriptures.

Paul repudiated it many times.

Holy Spirit confirms what Mark-v has said. No man approaches God without divine intervention and grace.

Ask Uzzah what happens when you are not called of God into His presence...
---Phil on 10/3/12


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Read the passages closely without being bias. "Who are those who believe?" Not those born of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, "nor of the will of man," but of God. (John 1:12,13).
---Mark_V. on 10/3/12


Yes, plese do take remedial reading english classes.

John 1:11-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
---kathr4453 on 10/3/12


Mark, brother, as nicely as I know how to say this, you have reading comprehension problems and they are causing you to err in your doctrine. That is not at all what John 3:16,18 are saying.

Might I suggest you take up some English classes. My guess is that English is not your first language.
---JackB on 10/3/12


Jed, you gave two passages, (John 3:16 and John 3:18). Neither passage speaks about man having a free will. It only says that whosoever believes. Only those will be saved. Because whosoever does not believe, they will not be saved. Pretty simple passages. People will make a choice, but only those who are not perishing will believe the gospel:

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (1 Cor. 1:18).
Read the passages closely without being bias. "Who are those who believe?" Not those born of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, "nor of the will of man," but of God. (John 1:12,13).
---Mark_V. on 10/3/12


For some reason, you are unable to believe God.
---Phil on 10/2/12

Phil, talking to yourself makes you a lunatic. You are twisting the scriptures. Of course it is God's will that everyone would come to know him. But God has given men free will and does not force his will upon us. Sadly, many will choose not to now him. You have completely ignored the scriptures I posted because you want to continue in your ignorance and false doctrine.
---Jed on 10/2/12


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Barb, if you believe salvation is a choice, and if you think there are people who won't be saved, then you are an Arminian.
---John.us on 10/2/12


Phil, why do you say God said things He did not say? Putting words in God's mouth is blasphemy.

It is a good thing the record is clear, and God has spoken.

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Col 1:20.. by Him to reconcile all things unto himself, by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.1Ti

4:10 ..the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Ro 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.

For some reason, you are unable to believe God.
---Phil on 10/2/12


Phil, why do you say God said things He did not say? Putting words in God's mouth is blasphemy. The gospel is clear, that salvation is indeed a free gift to all, but must be accepted by the reciever.

John 3:16 "Whosover believeth in Him should not parish, but have everlasting life". It does not say that none will parish and all will have eternal life, but only those that believe in the Son of God.

John 3:18 "He who believes is not condemned, but he that does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is their condemnation: that light has come into darkness, but they loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil."
---Jed on 10/1/12


John usa, it doesn't matter what Calvinsts, Armanians or anyone else says. What matters is what the Son of God said and He said that we must be born into the Kingdom. Not adopted or predestined. We have to be willing to dig in and learn the truth from the our Master and teacher, Jesus Christ.

Jesus tells us that thieves and robbers will try to get in some other way but that there is only one way in. John 10:1-5.

He will save only those who are born of the Spirit which is a process of learning the Truth. It is our choice whether we want to do it His Way and enter the Kingdom or someone elses way and be left outside.
---barb on 10/1/12


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Phil, the Bible makes it clear that not eveyone will be saved. In fact, Jesus explains that most people will not be saved.---Jed on 10/1/12

The Bible says God will reconcile everthing through His Christ. You say not.

The Bible says, He is the Saviour of all men, specially them that believe. You say not.

I say God is right, and then I say, You are wrong.

Through one man came sin unto all, and through one Man came life to all.

1C 15:22 for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,
---Phil on 10/1/12


Calvinists say God could save everyone but doesn't want to. Arminians say God wants so save everyone but can't. Who's right?
---John.us on 10/1/12


Phil, the Bible makes it clear that not eveyone will be saved. In fact, Jesus explains that most people will not be saved. Wide is the gate that leads to destruction, but narrow is the gate that leads to life and few there be that find it. When the Bible says "every knee shall bow" and "every tongue shall confess", it is referring to a time after Christ's return, at their judgement. For no will be able to stand in his presence. They MUST bow and worship. Only those who bow and worship Him in this life will find salvation.
---Jed on 10/1/12


All paths lead to Christ.

Eph 1:10 ..to bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth--in him,

Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth
And [that] every tongue should acclaim that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Eph 1:11 according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

1Ti 2:4 Who will [G2309 thelo determine] have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Isa 46:11 I have purposed [it], I will also do it.

Who will have the mind of God on this matter?
---Phil on 9/30/12


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James, so you don't agree with Jesus? When he said that "no one comes unto the father but through me?" By Jesus' words, believing in "a god" is not the criteria for entering into heaven. It is believing in Jesus. So you think that everyone who believes in one God all believe in the same God? You should read the Koran, then read the Bible and tell me again how you think everyone who believes in "God" believes in the same God.
---Jed on 9/12/12


Jed: 'everyone knows the same God.'

If the person did believe in our God, then I suspect that person would be accepted (like people before Christ). Even a few pagan philosophers (Plato is the most 'Christian' in his view that the gods cannot be The God because they are not good, and there must be One God who is moral and perfect) might be OK.

But we don't know
---James on 9/12/12


the bible is not politically correct. there is only one way to heaven. Matthew 7:13-14.That verse sums it up but I'll give another verse. ephesians 4:5 One lord,one faith, one baptism
One way to heaven.
---batieste on 9/11/12


God chooses whom He will, regardless of philosophy. Invoking the God of the Bible is sound practice.

Ac 11:26, Ac 26:28 and 1Pt 4:16 are the only references to the word "christian".

Our apostle, Paul, never used the term to describe believers.

Festus used it addressing Paul in derision.

Peter used it in conjunction with being persecuted by others.

It is a scriptural word that has morphed into something apart from its context, and has lost it proper sense.

All things are out of God

Ro 11:36 1C 8:6

All things in heaven and on earth will be reconciled by the Christ. Col 1:20
---Phil on 9/11/12


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"Would you consider this person to be a Christian or not?
There are a number of people who proclaim to be Christian, yet, The teachings of Jesus, seems to remain ambiguous, or difficult for them to comprehend. Although His teachings concerning this particular subject seems clear and concise to me, perhaps it is not to those who would make the claims you've quoted. I am in no position to judge anyone. Personally I would "consider" them, the way they consider themselves, as concerning the title they choose to place upon themselves. I have discerned that there are some who refer to themselves as Christian simply because they practice the religion of "Christianity".
---Josef on 9/11/12


Hi Jeb, It is my belief that a biblical example of a Christian is as follows:
Acts17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

If a person is a student of Christ (a true christian), unless they are a little lamb, they will know that there is only one way.
---trey on 9/10/12


Thank you all for your responses to my question. Alot of good answers.

So if someone were to make this statement:
"I believe that there are many paths to the same place." and that "All people of faith - Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone knows the same God."

Would you consider this person to be a Christian or not?
---Jed on 9/9/12


"Ones will be tormented by fire and brimstone ..."willie_c: on 9/8/12

Re 14:10 does not what you assume and teach.

"he shall be tormented"

Only the therion, beast, is said to be tormented day and night, both of which are not eternal.

Reread this more closely and you will see the truth.
---Phil on 9/9/12


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"Can a born-again Christian believe that there are many paths to heaven other than through Jesus Christ?" No.
One renewed and regenerated from above will know that that contradicts both Jesus' message to His chosen, and the inspiration and enlightenment provide via the Holy Spirit. Therefore that statement would not even be considered.
---joseph on 9/9/12


PHIL 9/7/12 - No one is going to hell - he is the savior of all men - ?

2 Thessalonians 1:7 In flaming fire taking vengeance in them that know not God , and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1:8 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him , Lord are there few that be saved ? And he said unto them.
13:24 Strive to enter to enter in the strait gate: for many I say unto you , Will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, AND FEW THERE BE THAT FINE IT,
---RichardC on 9/8/12


Jesus taught that there was only one path. Matt 7:14. "Because strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leads unto life, and few there be that find it."
---barb on 9/8/12


willie c,
Jesus is the Savior of all men in the sense of resurrection.

Romans 5:1
Therefore, having been justified by faith

(in other words, righteousness has come to the believer - then after this)

verse 10
having been reconciled (past tense)

we shall be saved (rescued from physical death)

by His life (resurrection)

verse 18
through one transgression, condemnation (physical death) came to ALL men, so through one act of righteousness (resurrection) came justification of [physical] life to ALL men


compare Romans 5:14-21 to 1Corinthians 15:21-22, the teaching is the same, just more elaborated in Romans 5
---James_L on 9/8/12


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"For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe." (1 Timothy 4:10)

So, God is "the Savior of all men", but it also says, "especially of those who believe." So, I can see this means that God is doing some kind of saving good for every person. But there are people who refuse the saving good of Jesus, but only get saved by getting food to keep them alive, for one example.

Ones will be tormented by fire and brimstone, even "in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." (in Revelation 14:10) God will succeed in judging who has received Jesus and who has refused Him.
---willie_c: on 9/8/12


I have heard many WOF teachers say Christ is not the only way.

What is sad is there are so many people of follow the FALSE TEACHINGS of these people.
---Rob on 9/7/12


oh yeah Phil and Richardc !!!!
---chip on 9/7/12


Ac 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

He ransomed everyone, He will reconcile all things to God, subjecting all things in earth and in heaven, unto Himself.

The blood will remain forever as a testimony to His right and preeminence.

Every knee will bow, and tongue acclaim Him Lord of all.

No one is going to be left out, He is the Saviour of all men, specially them which believe.

Or else, He is a failure.
---Phil on 9/7/12


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JOHN 14:6 - Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the father but by me.
---RICHARDC on 9/7/12


I think that until they are seriously grounded in God's Word, they may be confused because of previous understanding and such. When I came to know the Truth of Salvation, I had 18 years of Catholic teachings to unlearn, and seriously needed guidance in learning the Word. The more I learned, the clearer my understanding of the Truth about what Jesus said, that HE is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

That is why I try to encourage young believers to find a mentor or discipler, or whatever one wishes to call them, to guide and teach them the Word on a personal level.
---Trish on 9/7/12


A Christian cannot believe there are many paths to heaven other than through Jesus Christ. As Jesus Himself said " I Am the way the Truth and the Life and no man comes to the Father but by me." Jn 4:16 And it is also written that
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12
---Chria9396 on 9/7/12


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