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Should Christians Be Poor

Some believe New-agers believe in poverty and squalor. Where does this rediculous statement come from?

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Sorry Follower, but you have not read ALL of Malachi to even see ALL what God was saying to them. You cannot apply that to anyone today, no matter how hard you try.

You have shown your own ignorance by once again using OT scriptures and trying to apply it to the Church.

So, why did you change the subject to tithes?

Today we give out of our heart, not out of the Law. We give to the poor, and to further the Gospel.

But our blessings back are not monetary anyway, unless of coarse you are now pushing WOF teachings.

And I am FREE to give where and to whom I please. I don't have to bring it ALL to any storehouse.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/12


Again WHO's STOREHOUSE?
The Baptists
The SAD's
The Mormons
The RCC
The Scientologists
The Crouches


thank you Kathr for confirming you have officially mutilated Malachi to serve yourself, and demonstrating and incredible amount of ignorance to Gods holy word by continuing on your nonsensical tirade about theocracy, poverty and whatever gospel it is you believe in. If you cannot understand this very simple verse, who is speaking within the verse, and what a tithe is no less, then it is very clear most verses you share are in error. peace

~humble follower of the Rock and lover of The Eternals truth (KJV) Matt 16:18, Corin 10:4, 2 Thess 2:10 1 Pet 2:21
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/17/12


Follower, TODAY there is no Levitical Priesthood that we pay tithes to. Because the Levites did not inherit the Land, they were taken care of by the tribes through tithes, and it wasn't money either. But crops, live stock etc. And as a matter of fact, if a farmer did not bring to birth 10 or more this or that he was released from tithing.

But there is no more Levitical priesthood or TEMPLE to bring any tithes to. The STOREHOUSE you refer to was the temple. The JEWISH TEMPLE, aka, the head of GOVERNMENT.

We are not under any such LAWS to bring tithes to any storehouse.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/12


follower, did you know that those tithes were paid to the Levitical Priesthood?

Nehemiah 10:37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God, and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our village.

Nu18:21-28 Every third year the tithe was to be reserved as a festival tithe and everything brought for the Levites was shared so strangers, orphans, widows and the poor could come and eat and be content De 14:27-29, 15:1-7, 26:12-15.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/12


In Malachi 3:10 it is God who is speaking telling his people to bring him tithes for his storehouse. Why? He states that he will prove to his people that when you tithe to him (aka 1/10 of your earnings), which of course in those days earnings were multiplication of material goods they owned meat livestock etc, he would prove to his people by obeying the tithe and giving to him first he would pour out blessings. In other words they would give 1/10 in faith to God and God would prove to them he would reward them with blessings and they would receive back from God so much more than they gave. Yes God does bless financially!!!

Disturbing or interesting, Kathr either mutilated Gods holy word or she didn't understand it.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/17/12




Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, ----

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---Follower_of_Christ on 9/15/12

Follower and Jed, I ask again, WHO's STOREHOUSE? That was spoken to Israel, and Theocratic Nation.

Where does Paul teach such things?

And No, since we're not a THEOCRACY, this does not apply to the Government.

Again WHO's STOREHOUSE?
The Baptists
The SAD's
The Mormons
The RCC
The Scientologists
The Crouches


Yet, would we not give to spreading the Gospel? That money is not for any personal use correct?

So tell me, how and WHY did you change the subject here Follower?

No one is talking about Communistic communal living either.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/12


Jed, Follower believes like the OT Jews and today's Mormons we are to "stock pile" goods in some store house, stored up for the last days.

Kathr you are a liar an extremely sick sick sick individual. I have never said such a thing to any person alive. or written it anywhere on these blogs. It sure seems you make up lies about everyone to get attention and cause deliberate strife and for purpose of furthering whatever agenda you have which apparently is non-Christian. Iwrote on another topic I'm not interested in being your entertainment or amusement anymore, however I will call you out as an evil viscous liar everytime you write a lie about me.

Peace to you Kathr for your troubled mind and bitterness.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/17/12


Kathr, Jesus was not referring to and never endorsed bringing all your goods to the government for government stockpiling. Proverbs never endorsed this either. Proverbs talks about individual responsibility and work ethic. I fear you share the president's radical socialist mentality.
---Jed on 9/17/12


Jed, Follower believes like the OT Jews and today's Mormons we are to "stock pile" goods in some store house, stored up for the last days.

Jesus actually teaches us no such thing. His verse is referring to "communal stock piling"...but since we are not a Jewish Theocracy....or better yet, Since he believes America IS a Jewish Theocracy, why then does he have a problem with the Government STOCKPILING where we all bring our goods tithes to the American Government? We're only obeying his OT verse here..right.

And he believes when we do, the Windows of heaven are going to open up an pour out blessings on us all.

Now WHO changed the subject? Who's STOREHOUSE is he talking about?
---kathr4453 on 9/17/12


Again, Kathr posts more scriptures that have little or nothing to do with the current converstaion. I really don't think Kathr is all together there these days.
---Jed on 9/16/12




Matt 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 ,(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
---kathr4453 on 9/16/12


Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/15/12


blessed are the poor?
---kevin5443 on 9/15/12


kathr4453 thank you for the verses on helping others those are good ones. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 9/14/12


Trish and Kathr ---You identify more with liberalism, per your very own words, then you do Christianity. maybe that is why you defend and support liberalism more than Christianity. ----bla bla bla bla ...you don't see facts of liberal destruction, because liberal agenda bla bla bla. You gush with all the things liberals have done forgetting your liberal agenda cannot give you salvation. bla bla bla
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/14/12

Again to Follower and Jed, anyone who disagrees with ANYTHING they say are called that dirty word LIBERAL. OVER AND OVER. Maybe if you used CAPS Follower, you would only have to say it ONCE!

Sorry Follower...I preach the CROSS, PERIOD!
---kathr4453 on 9/14/12


2CO 8:13-15 For this is not for the ease of others and for your affliction, but by way of equality-- 14 at this present time your abundance being a supply for their want, that their abundance also may become a supply for your want, that there may be equality, 15 as it is written, "HE WHO gathered MUCH DID NOT HAVE TOO MUCH, AND HE WHO gathered LITTLE HAD NO LACK

Gal. 6:10 So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all men, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.

Prov. 14:31 He who oppresses the poor reproaches his Maker, but he who is gracious to the needy honors Him.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/12


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This blog comes from another blog that ALL those on welfare are liberals.

honestly, I don't believe Kathr is well. I have seen Kathr malign many posts here by taking words of someones post distorting, maligning words from that poster creating a new version that says something completely different then what the poster wrote so she can continue on her tangent. It's disturbing to see this repeatedly done. I never wrote all people on welfare are liberals and most of the rest of the post she has written is pure evil (Glen Beck Gary Noth who are these preachers??) I think Kathr is so far gone in thinking, or so consumed with bitterness, it has done a number on her faculties. peace to you Kathr may you find peace of mind
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/14/12


2 Thess 3:11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

Jed, these verses are addressing MOOCHERS who were in ministry as christians, busy bodies ets. As i'm sure even today we have those moochers who flock from one mission field to another just expecting to have their faces fed.

BUT this says nothing about the poor. It says nothing about them being poor.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/12


We have our share of "poor" but many are there because "welfare" has become a way of life ,second and third generations on the dole.
Teen age girls with babies in strollers lined up at the "food bank" with cell phones in one hand and a cigarette in the other!
It's hard to feel sorry for these!
---1st_cliff on 9/14/12


Kathr4453 thanks for the answer. The verse in James 2 does point out that it is a brother or sister(in Christ too) that we are to help. Yes the Bible does speak of the poor many times but I was looking for a specific verse for when someone comes to your home when they need help. When we pray for the sick or poor it isn't faith without works because we are putting action to what we say to a person. The prayer itself is action. Not all can afford to help the poor. In our family charity begins within the family,I could never do a lot for a stranger when my own loved ones had a need. The Bible says the fathers are to lay up store for the children not the children for the fathers. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 9/14/12


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Kathr, so you call the apostle Paul a liar when he said a person who doesn't work should not eat?
---Jed on 9/13/12


This blog comes from another blog that ALL those on welfare are liberals. This thread was a continuation from another blog. "Follower of Christ" believes that new age Christianity "believe" in poverty.

Jed and Follower of Christ, are actually radical right wing conservatives who are pushing Glenn Beck, Gary North doctrines who hate liberals and rename anyone a liberal who is not in agreement with their doctrine. Liberal here to them mean anti-christian.

They can't separate politics from Christ Crucified.

Their apostasy is shown to us in Revelation as apostate christianity is riding the back of political powers such as they do.

There is no such thing as "belief" in Poverty.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/12


is this really who you people are? is this your life?

the reason for most of the multiple posts is a matter of timing. sometimes i blog and pen-pal at the same time. when a certain mod is on pen-pal, that person is also running the program that allows posts. one time i posted 3 posts in a row, and it seemed like they went up together, but they were actually posted separately.

another reason is the amount of time one spends on these blogs.

but, big deal!!! if you feel you are not being preferred. who cares???

get a life. get some fresh air. stay off the blogs for a while. when you come back, you will see that it made no difference if you post or not.
---aka on 9/13/12


Darlene1, scripture is steeped from OT to new about the poor. And yes, to just say "OH I really hope things look up for you". James equates that to faith without works...

James has quite a lot to say about attitudes of those who are rich looking down on the poor. Not one word about "YOU didn't save for the future?, you are a loser irresponsible bumb! I've disapproved you unworthy of MY HARD EARNED DOLLAR!"


James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled, notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body, what doth it profit?
---kathr4453 on 9/13/12


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Kathr, just grow up and stop being rediculous. My two posts were made several hours apart and were by no means hostile. I was simply re-explaining my position since you keep distorting and lying about everything I say. As I said, if you were allowed to post two or three posts in a row a few hours apart I wouldn't care. But you post like seven or nine posts in a row all at the same time, with no apparent point being made. You just use all that space to making absurd false acusations and throw low-blow insults and put other people down. You just make yourself look crazy. Especially when you do that typing in all caps thing, like that makes what your saying more important or more true because it's in all caps.
---Jed on 9/13/12


kathr4453 Please give me where the verse is which says if someone poor comes into the church we are to help them. Its not that I don't believe you I just can't remember where its is. Thanks
---Darlene_1 on 9/13/12


MODERATOR...Thank you for no longer showing preferential treatment to a couple of people on this site.
---KarenD on 9/13/12


Oh my Gosh, Jed posted two hostile posts in a row!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/13/12


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Really Kathr, you know all this about me? You know my life and the way I feel? Are you God? I know you think so but you're not. Stop lying about me. May God have mercy on you.
---Jed on 9/13/12


Kathr, why are you posting scriptures that have nothing to do with what I said. I never defended rich people over poor people. I do not have a problem with neither poor nor rich people. I have a problem with irresponsible people. I made a very clear distinction between the two. As I pointed out, I was dirt poor and able to raise a family without living paycheck to paycheck. Being poor does not mean you have to live paycheck to paycheck. If you live outside your means as a poor person then you will surely live like that as a rich person also. It was the irresponsibility of living outside your means that I was preaching against, weather your rich or poor.
---Jed on 9/13/12


Jed has never been in a position to ask anyone ever for help. He has always had it all together. It's that kind of pride that keeps one from seeing themselves a sinner. He would actually have to see himself as spiritually bankrupt where all the savings in the world cannot buy his way to heaven.

He's never needed the Body of Christ for anything either. To admit such, would certainly make him a hypocrite.

He measures people by HUMANISTIC psycho-babel, and politics.

James states, if you see someone poor come into your church, how can you say you have LOVE, and not help? Yet, Jed believes he needs to see if they QUALIFY under his CONSERVATIVE AGENDA MORAL APPROVAL.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/12


\\I have tried twice to post something on this blog, and twice it was not posted.\\
---Trish on 9/12/12

I've had this happen about 4 times in the past week. It can leave a hole in my argument that makes my entire position irrelevant.

If it happens in the same thread a couple of times, I just bow out of the discussion
:(

as Kathr pointed out, that maybe my interenet didn't transfer the info properly. I'm not sure.


\\I have seen her (Kathr) post like seven or nine comments in a row\\
---Jed on 9/12/12

I wouldn't complain about that too much, because with all the capitalized words and over-info I think many just scroll past them after the first one
---James_L on 9/13/12


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Oh I suppose Jed believes James is a liar and hateful ol fool too.

James 5
5 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3 Your gold and silver is cankered, and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

That's exactly what the Mormon Church and people have done.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/12


No one else is allowed to do that. ---Jed on 9/12/12

again, that is not a true statement. there are a few others that get to do that. her arch-nemesis (before you)... those two could fill one blog question in two days. there are even two that get to post after a post is seemingly at 75.

personally, i am glad that i am not allowed to post that much. it gives me time not to post something foolish or unfortunate.
---aka on 9/12/12


Trish, not only is Kathr allowed to post disgustingly hostile and perverted comments that are totally out of line, she can also post several comments in a row. Not just two or three. I have seen her post like seven or nine comments in a row, all in a sick bashing rant just hurling low insults at other people with no real point being made. No one else is allowed to do that.
---Jed on 9/12/12


Jed: While in some of your comments you do have a point, I feel that there are times when you seem to over-react. But there seem to be lots of people who accuse you, and I can't even go back far enough to really see who started this dispute.

You comment about saving money is acceptable [for emergencies], certainly. But there are people who either feel that God will feed them even if they don't save money (I'm not one of those) or just have too many genuine (necessary) expenditures.

Maybe?
---Peter on 9/12/12


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Well GEE WIZ Trish, it appears the Mods are also posting Jed's hostile posts as well.

Don't make just me look special here.

I see hostile posts from you all the time. You and KarenD go at it time and time again, and those seem to post just fine.

Maybe something just happened to your internet link when trying to post.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/12


Mod: I have tried twice to post something on this blog, and twice it was not posted. Yet, you post Kathr's hostile posts all the time. My posts have been totally appropriate, and not attacking anyone. I am going to try to post once more.
---Trish on 9/12/12


Christians are to be Christ like. Jesus said he had no place to lay his head. Being poor is not a requirement nor encouraged, but it is not a sign of God's displeasure.
You decide
---Harold on 9/12/12


Jed, I appreciate the fact that you have exposed your malpractice of your fake DR OF phychology degree here for all to see just what a quack you really are.

Your "poor" pride and ego just can't handle being on the other side of analysis can it Jed? There are just so many people "YOU" cannot control. And you're really bad at it too.

It could be that phony degree in Mental Health you use to abuse and try to control with that will be your final down fall.

Is that how your talk to, relate to and treat patients? It's called malpractice. Firstly because it's not YOUR Job to tell anyone what YOUR TWISTED MIND THINKS. Hummm, will it be a law suit or Jail that brings Jed down to the dirt?
---kathr4453 on 9/12/12


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I just can't believe the way that Kathr is so wrapped up in material things that she can't experience God's love. All Kathr thinks about is destroying people that have something she doesn't have. She's consumed with hatred and bitterness toward successful people, because despite her own obsession with material things, she has failed to accomplish any form of success on her own. So sad that Kathr can't just be content with what she has without trying to diminish the accomplishments of others and put others down. Ultimately, I think her hatred of successful responsible people stems from her own self-esteem issues and insecurities from being a failure. She really needs help. She definately has my pitty.
---Jed on 9/11/12


Trish, I never claimed to know your thoughts or made any assumptions about you like Kathr did to me. Any time I questioned your Christianity it was based on things that you had actually told me about yourself, not things that I made up. Like the fact you support abortion and same-sex marriage, among other beliefs that prevent a person from being a Christian. I did not assume those things about you, you told me those things. So my claim about you was based totally upon information that you gave me. I did not make up lies like Kathr does like saying "you love money more than God" or "you don't have any friends" or "you don't thank God for anything" simply because I said living beyond your means is irresponsible.
---Jed on 9/11/12


Jed, I can't have a conversation with someone who starts a conversation with LIES and false accusations.

You are just a poor sport, who lost this conversation way way back, and want to resurrect your own ego again and again at the expense of false premises.

Because each and every time you do that, you only look more and more foolish.

I don't "need" or want YOUR Money Jed. I don't envy you Jed. Even with all your money, you're still a "white washed" Beverly Hillbilly.

Your cars, cloths, house etc don't DEFINE YOU....your life "in Christ" is what defines you. We all come in different packages and different stations in life, yet we ALL have "one" thing in common. You don't have it.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/12


Kathr, there you go posting lies and making assumptions again. Who are you to say that I love money? I never let on for one minute that I love money or that it is the most important thing to me. I don't care if I'm rich or not. But you don't have to be rich to love money. Poor people like yourself who are obsessed with feeling sorry for themselves because they don't have money, and are obsessed with blaming the rich, are just as guilty of loving money and being obsessed with money. And being responsible and saving has nothing to do with being rich or poor or loving money. All I said is that a Christian should be responsible with what they have and plan for emergencies. That's called being a good steward of what God has given you.
---Jed on 9/11/12


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Hello,1.before I forget Darlene bless you, thankyou ..not anymore on facebook,my computer interference by hackers, I can't handle it..too, hard for me.Love ChristiaNet...
As for poverty "christian folks..yes,first saw this in. New york 1970' later group cult "god 's children"
Later Chicago group cult
similar.Most time they prey on lonely young people or evento older people ...my friend in New York actually gave ___up everything to be "closed" to God, she left family, houses, job at the bank to be homeless helping all different organizations n deny herself even food, no money.
....
She was missing ..I went and tried find out, her body never found. It broke my heart. ..ELENA
---ELENA on 9/11/12


Kathr...You have two terms confused. New-agers and Word of Faith fools are two different things.
---KarenD on 9/11/12


//You have no idea what I have been through and what God has brought me through. //

jed, that's would i am trying to say. yes, i made some unwise choices that eventually took me down. now, God in his wisdom and time is building me up into a new man. it cannot be overnight. otherwise, i will turn my own way again.

Jesus has the right to hold me responsible, and he already has made me see. the reason why jesus has the authority to hold us responsible is that He made himself man and rose above it by overcoming sin (death) for us.

you, otoh, were built up and turn around at some juncture and point your finger at others in the early stages of being built back up...to be continued
---aka on 9/11/12


Jed, in all these conversations you never once gave the glory to God, but all to yourself.

So be it Jed, for all your money is so important to you you wouldn't trade it for the riches that are in Christ. OK! I just wanted you to be able to Buy from God GOLD TRIED IN THE FIRE, like Job, but your own words here alone have condenmed you UNWORTHY to partake. Gosh Jed, I didn't pray for any physical harm to you, but TEASES out of you what you worship most, Ans: YOURSELF and MONEY. It's here as evidence..

Philippians 3:8

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
---kathr4453 on 9/11/12


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1 Timothy 6:8-10

8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
---kath4453 on 9/11/12


My,my some one pushed the wrong buttons here,thank god I'm pure! (lol)
---1st_cliff on 9/11/12


Kathr, how dare you. You have no idea what I have been through and what God has brought me through. May the Lord rebuke you for trying to play God. What kind of sick individual would pray for someone to lose everything they've ever worked for? I would never pray for that, even for a twisted pervert like yourself. I wish for no evil upon you. Instead, I beg that God have mercy on your soul. I pray that you repent of your evil before you pass from this life into eternity. I do pray that God would allow no young children to be around you and your sick perverted mind. I pray that God will protect anyone who may have the misfortune of being around such a hateful, bitter pervert. I wouldn't let my dog be alone with you for 5 minutes.
---Jed on 9/10/12


You have no idea.
---Jed on 9/10/12

none of us really do. when we say one thing, we condemn ourselves in another way. we all need the savior.
---aka on 9/10/12


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" You think you are God and you now my thoughts." Jed on 9/10/12

Jed, you are as guilty of doing this as anyone else. You have no clue about my relationship with the Lord, but tell people I must be an unbeliever based on who I vote for in a political election.

You do not know my heart, or my thoughts that lead me to vote the way I do.

Your thinking is totally black and white on this issue. You have no ability to think of things in context. This inability to think contextually is interesting given that you claim to be a highly educated mental health professional.

American Christians blame the poor for being poor. In Europe, it is vastly different.
---Trish on 9/10/12


Kathr, where do you get off telling me that I have the pride of life? All I said is that not saving for emergencies is irresponsible and you think you know who I am? You accuse me of not thanking God for what I have? You accuse me of not having any friends? You think that I find all my self-worth in the things I have? You make all those assumptions from one simple statement I made that christians should be responsible with their money? If you can't agree with that statment then it is you who is wrong and has the pride of life, not me. You think you are God and you now my thoughts. I thank God everyday for what he has given me and for the gifts and talents that I have to be able to earn the living I do. You have no idea.
---Jed on 9/10/12


aka, Thanks, i do understand what you are saying. Each and every one of us is accountable to God and He alone. He's teh one who puts those trials and test in our way to grow us up in the fulness of Him. However and whatever means He uses is no one's business but that person's and the Lords. As you well showed us. look at Job. Even Job's friends had NO CLUE God was totally in control FOR A PURPOSE and reason. AND God rebuked his 3 know it all self righteous friends in the end. They didn't lie about Job, they LIED about God and how He works in our lives.

You know this I know this, yet Jed has NEVER had the privledge of being tested, because Jed may not be found worthy of that testing to begin with.

God Bless!
---kathr4453 on 9/10/12


kat, when all this started, found a job that i knew would not meet my expenses, so i got another. i knew that i would be a little short for the first month, and went to the welfare office for temporary aid. i did not know how it worked at the time. they said i made $10 too much to receive aid. so, i asked them that if i quit one job, then i could get aid? and, they said yes. so, i gathered my things and went to my second job.
kathr, jed is hurting inside. his war, all of our wars, are internal. give him a break. He, also, may be upset about another blog that in which he condemned himself. who knows? but, we all will have to account for every idle word, so, don't go down with anybody who should know better at the expense of yourself.
---aka on 9/10/12


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Jed, you believe I wish I had teh things you have??? Jed, I could probably buy you over ten times.

What makes you think I'm poor? I'm anything but.

My comments were not hateful, but one that I do pray for so your soul will be saved. You have what is called, the pride of the flesh, the pride of LIFE and the lust of the eyes, which is of the devil....

You have never passed from death TO LIFE Jed. Christ Crucified is not a political issue and never will be.

And you are the one calling names to anyone who disagrees with you. YOU think liberal is a nasty word to call someone? How childish and ignorant Jed.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/12


Kathr, you are the most hateful and angry person I have seen on here. You're praying that I lose everything that I ever worked for... Really? You need to get saved. My prayers for you are that God simply has mercy upon your soul. Perhaps your evil prayers toward people and ill wishes are what keep you from having the things I have. You have one sick twisted mind. May God help you.
---Jed on 9/10/12


Kathr, you're comments to aka calling him your "hero" followed directly after his announcement that he is the type that does not save money, but instead lives paycheck-to-paycheck. ---Jed on 9/10/12
I know several who live paycheck to paycheck and praise God everyday they HAVE a paycheck and are not on welfare or foodstamps and have to live with relatives.

Aka has cut all nonsense spending to the bone...a real no nonsense guy.

But you can cut just so much.

How many too praise God they have been blessed with making it through the month, where some unexpected blessing comes along like a super sale on chicken for dinner enough to feed the family.

---kathr4453 on 9/10/12


---I hold people responsible for their choices and lifestyles.
---Jed on 9/10/12




Well, first of all, God NEVER asked YOU to hold anyone responsible for their lives. Who are you to Judge another man's servant.

Yes and God will hold you responsible for your hatred of those who like AKA are in a temporary situation like so many due to divorce, illness loss of Jobs, failing markets/home etc. Money SAVED eventually runs out too Jed. Then what?

I pray you fall on your face annd lose everything..I mean everything YOU claim YOU worked so hard for...and then you will know it's by God's GRACE you have what you have, and stop exalting YOURSELF over others less fortunate. I pray that for your soul, not out of hatred.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/12


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Kathr, you're comments to aka calling him your "hero" followed directly after his announcement that he is the type that does not save money, but instead lives paycheck-to-paycheck. So naturally, since you are constantly defending irresponsibility and demonizing success, I naturally assumed you were praising him for this irresponsible choice. You are correct that I have "war on poverty". I don't particularly like poverty, for anyone. So unlike yourself, I try to discourage people from making choices and living lifestyles that will ultimately lead to poverty. You know, the kind of choices and lifestyles that you praise and idolize. Also unlike yourself, I hold people responsible for their choices and lifestyles.
---Jed on 9/10/12


i heard a message from a catholic priest that 'blessed are the poor'. he said when you are poor you will NOT worry about someone breaking into your home & that there is peace in your heart...what about the verse 'be contented' with what you have. I heard a message from charles stanley that if you are being paid $12.00 / hr do not complain bec. that is what god has given you...however charles stanley's salary is way more than $12.00 / hr that he can purchase a house.
---mike on 9/10/12


Not all wealth is CLEAN either!

Hitler believed in a social hierachy and in strong private enterprise - both quite the opposite of communism. A significant element of the funding of the very successful growth of the 3rd Reich came from anti-communist USA. Senator Prescott Bush (George's grandfather) was closely involved with banking of Thyssens and other German companies. Ambassador Joseph Kennedy (JFK's father) is reputed to have bought a significant number of Nazi shares.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/12


idolize people who live irresponsible lifestyles that lead to poverty, who you have even called your "heroes".
---Jed on 9/9/12

again, an unfounded judgement. jed, even with the benefit of the whole story of Job, you would fit right in with job's 3 friends.
---aka on 9/9/12


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Jed, let's get one thing straight. I said Aka was my hero for taking care of his children. AKA is an AUDITOR Jed, he's not on welfare nor does he live in squalor. SO HOW DARE YOU!

Other than AKA, I have never made any other statements.

I was horribly offended by your and Follower of Christ's Comments.

I don't live in poverty Jed, nor am I on welfare, nor do I believe in a prosperity Gospel.

Go take your "war" on poverty somewhere else. You actually believe that slogan literlly means war as in MURDER!
---kathr4453 on 9/10/12


A fear and false teaching of many stories in the Bible of rich men turning away from God. Stories include rich man and Lazarus, young rich ruler, rich man through a eye of a needle, thinking Jesus was a extremely poor person. The problem is a false view of money where people view money as evil and not a tool. Clefo Dollar said it this way "I used to love money and use people, now I love people and use money" Also, imitators of some godly men like David Livingston and others who sacrificed needlessly for the sake of the ministry and not for the sake of God which are two very different things. By the way Livingston's wife had paralysis and daughter died due to lack of nutrition and dehydration.
Being cheap is not godly either.
---Scott1 on 9/10/12


Kathr, I think Follower Of Christ's statment comes from hearing people such as yourself who constantly demonize people of success and responsibility and idolize people who live irresponsible lifestyles that lead to poverty, who you have even called your "heroes".
---Jed on 9/9/12


It comes from Satan who also pushes people to want to be rich. Either way is stupid because it has someone's attention on outward materials and controlling these, instead of our attention being to God.

And it can be so easy to point out how someone is wrong, so our attention is away from how we need to find out how to submit to God.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit," Jesus says in Matthew 5:3. It does not say poor in this life. I think this can mean that in our heart we do not desire to be rich. Also, being "poor", I think, can mean we are not trying to control materials in order to make ourselves poor, but we are about being guided by God, not just controlling materials.
---willie_c: on 9/9/12


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new-agers usually have a prosperity message.
---aka on 9/8/12

I agree. The WOF is also a new teaching of today Their faith is in this world and the men of this worldly system.

Revelation 3:
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich, and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear, and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
---kathr4453 on 9/9/12


"Some believe New-agers believe in poverty and squalor"

Kathr....You didn't say this??????
---KarenD on 9/9/12


new-age Christian priorities a teaching that teaches people to make an idol out of being in a state of deliberate poverty.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/7/12


NO KarenD, I DID NOT make this statement....Follower of Christ did. I just wanted to know where it came from....truth or just some made up nonsense Follower of Christ made up like so much other nonsense he's made up...OR is this really a fact.
---kathr4453 on 9/9/12


cluny, it almost seems leading, doesn't it?
---aka on 9/8/12


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I would like to know what the title the moderators gave to this blog has to do with the question actually asked in it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/8/12


Kathr4453...That statement came from you. No one else has said it.
---KarenD on 9/8/12


new-agers usually have a prosperity message.
---aka on 9/8/12


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