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Should I Be Mad At God

Adam and Eve disobeyed God and were thrown into death-row outside Eden. Each baby born since is on death-row even though not eating forbidden fruit. Should I not be angry at God that innocents have to die?

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barb,

you'll remember who I am the next time you refer to yourself as a follower of "the way" while bashing the only two scripture writers who used the phrase

I think Mark V did a great thing. Not refering to me in his post. No, nothing special about referring to my name.

But thinking about how I'm just liable to pick apart every word made him think through how to carefully word his post to convey exactly what he meant.

his reference to me could have been sarcasm, but that's alright. In the end, he was more careful with the words he chose
---James_L on 12/28/12


Matthew 25:2 "And five of them were wise, and five were foolish."
That is all the parable is all about, about the wise and about the foolish.
The wise labors at all times in the master's business. The fool just dilly-dallies.

Matthew 24:46 "Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing."
---Nana on 12/28/12


The whole point of the ten virgins prophecy is about the oil (Holy Spirit). Five virgins understood the Truth given by The Holy Spirit and five did not. The foolish went to try and buy it but by the time they got back with the Truth, it was too late. - barb

i agree that one main point of the parable was prophecy, but the other main point is witness.

all truth has to have the witness of the prophets. david choose five smooth stones, the five kings of the Amorites, the five trees they were hung on, five loaves in samuel, five talents, five loaves and five thousand people.
---aka on 12/28/12


There goes the theory of the 'elect from before the foundation of the world' out the window!
Mark 13:36_37 "Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."
1 Thessalonians 5:6 "Therefore let us not sleep, as do others, but let us watch and be sober."
1 Thessalonians 5:8_9 "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ"
---Nana on 12/28/12


Wow, Mark, I feel like I just came thru the Twilight Zone after reading your answer. Hermes was a greek god...why are you studying about greek gods? Do you think Jesus was Zeus? Who is James L and who cares what he is alright with? Did you drink too much eggnog?

The whole point of the ten virgins prophecy is about the oil (Holy Spirit). Five virgins understood the Truth given by The Holy Spirit and five did not. The foolish went to try and buy it but by the time they got back with the Truth, it was too late.

We may not know the day or hour but we can see the signs of His coming if we seek Wisdom.
---barb on 12/28/12




Phil, the ten virgins is a parable story. Before I answer let me say that I learned this from my hermeneutic studies. Not from the Bible so that James L, is alright with that.
Second, Scripture reveals two basic purposes of parables (Matt. 13:10-12: Mark 4:1)
First, parables can cause a lasting impression far better than ordinary discourse. Second they are use to confront believers with wrongdoing in their lives. The answer to the parable is mostly found at the end of the parable. The answer to the ten virgins is,
"Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming" (Matt. 25:13). That is the point of the Ten Virgins, not the oil.
---Mark_V. on 12/28/12


Mark V, I believe you are right about Matt 11 relating to John the Baptist.

However, I still believe that the Kingdom of Heaven is a group of people on earth. Jesus said the gospel of the Kingdom would be preached to all nations and then the end would come. For that to happen God needs a Kingdom on earth in the last days. Not everyone who is in the Kingdom will remain there. Some will be kicked out because they are foolish and don't have enough oil (Spirit of Truth).

Jesus likened the ten virgins to the Kingdom of Heaven but only five of them are wise. How did the five foolish ones get into Heaven if as you say, the Kingdom is already in Heaven? Yes, I know that it is a parable but it is also a prophecy about end times.
---barb on 12/27/12


barb, first Merry Christmas. second, the passages in Matt. 11:12) is not say the literal kingdom of God suffered violence here on earth. What he is saying as Luke 16:16) says is that the preaching of the Kingdom suffered violence. And the way it did was by John the Baptist who was peaching the Kingdom of God ultimately felt victim to Herods savagery. But the Kingdom can never be sudued or opposed by human violence. Notice that Matthew says, the violent take it by force. The preaching of the Kingdom has always suffered when those preaching it are murdered and killed. Yet the kingdom preaching presses ahead relentlessly, and only the relentless press their way into it. Christ is magnifying the difficulty of entering the Kingdom ( Matt. 7:13,14).
---Mark_V. on 12/25/12


The sick only need a Physician until He heals them. True!

After they are healed, if they are wise, they become bondservants of the Physician and find rest for their souls by labouring for Him. Matt_11:28-30.
False!

A man, who is laboring, is not at rest!
A man at rest is at rest, in the lord!

Nevertheless what saith the scripture?
Cast out the bondwoman and her son:
for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


The servant abideth not in the house forever: but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed!

Peace
---TheSeg on 12/21/12


Seg, an unprofitable servant is a bondservant who is not paid for his work. I don't need to be paid for picking up my cross and following Him.

The sick only need a Physician until He heals them. After they are healed, if they are wise, they become bondservants of the Physician and find rest for their souls by labouring for Him. Matt 11:28-30.
---barb on 12/21/12




"I will keep his commandments" God bless you for that!
Because Christ said:

Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

But he also told you:
So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

So although you are saying "I have done all those things which are commanded of me!"
You are not saying "We are unprofitable servants!"

Remember:
They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/21/12


Geraldine, do you mean to say that you've never committed not even one sin in your whole entire life??
---Gordon on 12/21/12


barb, (Matt. 25:1-30) is about two parables. A parable keeps the story and it's application distinct from each other, the application follows the story. In the Ten virgins, the story is first. (Shall be likened) but not the same, is the first thing in both parables. The story, some virgins were ready and some not, Application (v.13)
"Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming"
The parable of the Talents, after the story, the application (v. 29.30),
"For to everyone who has, more will be given and he will have abundance, but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness, ..."
---Mark_V. on 12/21/12


Sorry, Mark, I meant to post John 8:34-35, not 14-15. My mistake.

It is interesting that in the KJV the verse reads "the Son" with a capital S but when I check my other bibles it reads "a son" with no capital. I wonder which version is the inspired one??

Anyway, it is my belief that the Kingdom of Heaven is a group of people on earth. I would direct you to Matt 25 where Jesus describes the Kingdom of Heaven on earth at the end of time but to you it is probably just a parable.
---barb on 12/20/12


barb, you are miss interpreting the passages all over the place. First of all John 8:14,15) do not speak of the kingdom. (John 8:34) does not say kingdom. Here the slave does not abide in a house forever, but a son, not a slave abides forever in the house.
(John 18:34) Jesus said,
"My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews, "but My kingdom is not from here"
Jesus Kingdom is not of this world, the reason it is called, "the Kingdom of heaven," or "the kingdom of God" and only those who are sons abide in the house forever.
---Mark_V. on 12/20/12


Yes, Mark, I did read the end of that verse in Matt 5:19. Have you read John 8:14-15? "Truly, truly I say to you, whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin. And the servant does NOT abide in the house (Kingdom) forever, but the Son does abide forever."

The least of the servants are in the Kingdom right now but they won't be there forever if they refuse to keep the rules of the House. Rev 3:5 and Rev 3:16-17. God will spit them out...just like that.
---barb on 12/19/12


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Mark V, correct if I am wrong but you seem to think that the Kingdom of Heaven is now in Heaven but Jesus said that the Kingdom of Heaven had suffered violence until now. Matt 11:12. This happened on earth.

The Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus is talking about is Israel who were slaughtered and murdered for years. They were in the Kingdom but most of them are not anymore because they rejected their Messiah.

This is why Jesus prayed for His disciples who were in the world but not of the world and why He said what He did in John 18:36.
---barb on 12/19/12


our Lord wrote no book. Thus His words recorded by Paul are no less inspired or authentic than those recorded by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and it is most important to bear in mind that while the four so-called "evangelists" recorded His words spoken while on earth, Paul proclaimed the message of grace which He committed to him later, from His glory in heaven.
---michael_e on 12/19/12


barb, I am sorry to tell you your wrong. You said,

"Mark V, your dispute is with the Word of God, not me." no barb, my dispute is with your interpretation of God's Word.
Then you said:
Yes, Paul said it was impossible to keep God's commandments but Jesus said anyone who breaks one commandment and teaches men to do so, will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven."

Did you ever stop to read the last sentence? "Will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven" That should tell you that the person is in heaven so he has got to be saved already. The person is already in the Kingdom of Heaven.
It did not say the kingdom of hell, or the kingdom of satan, but the kingdom of heaven.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


Mark V, your dispute is with the Word of God, not me. Yes, Paul said it was impossible to keep God's commandments but Jesus said anyone who breaks one commandment and teaches men to do so, will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Even the beloved disciple disagrees with Paul as I have already shown you in 1st John 5:3. Does Rev. 12:17 which was written after Paul's writings agree with him? No, so I will keep the commandments of God and abide in the teaching of Jesus. You are free to make your own choice. We will just have to agree to disagree.
---barb on 12/19/12


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barb, you say,

" why would Jesus command His followers to do something that was impossible? And didn't He already tell them that with God all things are possible?"
God is perfect and can never ask for anything less then perfection. Second, With God all things are possible, with man they are not. You say,
" God makes it possible to keep all the commandments"
in this life no one can keep His whole law. We all sin,
"For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives" Do you not understand that
"But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons" (Heb. 12:6, 8).
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


Mark V, why would Jesus command His followers to do something that was impossible? And didn't He already tell them that with God all things are possible? When we love God and commit ourselves to be His servants He makes it possible for us to keep His commandments. 1st John 5:1-5.

"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not grievous."
---barb on 12/18/12


barb, you are RIGHT!. you told Geraldine,
" God had to throw Adam and Eve out of the Garden because they disobeyed Him. He had to separate them from the tree of Life. He warned them beforehand and they knew the outcome of disobedience but they chose to believe a lie."

Disobedience!

Rom.5:19 For as by one man's [Adam] DISOBEIDENCE many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Eph.5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
---jMarc on 12/18/12


barb, you are in error. you told Geraldine,
" God had to throw Adam and Eve out of the Garden because they disobeyed Him. He had to separate them from the tree of Life. He warned them beforehand and they knew the outcome of disobedience but they chose to believe a lie." By your definition, how do the Bible, how do we know those words are true? We don't know the writer of Genesis. Jesus said,
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect" (Matt. 5:48). Jesus commanding them to do something impossible in this life. You said, Jesus said the only way to heaven is by keeping His commandments. Guess what? No one has been able to do that perfectly. The reason the lost need Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/12


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Mark V, thanks for your kind words I appreciate them even though I consider myself to be a follower of Jesus rather than a Christian.

Where did I ever say that I believe all four gospels are the Words of God? Mark and Luke were NOT eyewitnesses to the ministry of Jesus and that is what I have said over and over again.

You believe that the entire bible is the word of God so you must have an explanation to clear up the discrepencies in the book of Acts regarding Paul's conversion. Are they all inspired? If so then how can they be different?
---barb on 12/18/12


barb, I do love you, and you probably are a great Christian, but the reason we answer is because you accuse Paul. And by accusing Paul you put doubt that the New Testament is not to be believed. First you said you believed the gospels, Luke wrote one of them, now you doubt what he wrote is not all truth, if I dick a little deeper, John will be in doubt, then Matthew. You must as well throw the whole New Testament away, even the words Jesus spoke since He didn't write them, the writers did. Do you not realize what you are doing?
That is my point. The Bible is the Word of God. You either believe it or you don't.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/12


Mark V, yes, I know that Luke wrote the book of Acts and no, Paul did not write his own conversion story although he does write about it in the letter to the Galatians.

As a close friend and travelling companion to Paul, you would think that Luke would know the story by heart but he doesn't. He writes at least three different versions. Why? Most likely because he heard Paul telling them and not knowing which one was true, he wrote them all down just to be safe. Luke would have taken notes, don't you think?

I am not responsible for what missionaries, pastors and teachers teach. In the end I am responsible only for myself and that is why I obey the commandments of God and abide in the Word of His Son.

---barb on 12/17/12


barb, you make it sound like Paul was the writer of his own conversion in (Act 9). Most believe it was Luke's second writing to Theophilus, who wrote Acts but we know it was not Paul. Luke was Paul's close friend, and traveling companion and personal physician. Luke makes clear in the prologue to his gospel of those things (Luke 1:1) which Jesus had accomplished during His earthly ministry. You accuse Paul of writing his own conversion.
Did you stop to think, we should not believe what you say either since Jesus did not say what you did. And when someone speaks of the word of God, no one should believe it either, because it is not Jesus speaking. Why have missionaries, pastors, teachers, what they say is not Jesus speaking.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/12


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Christian, I trust in the law and the prophets, the gospels of John and Matthew, the epistles of John and the book of Revelation which are the eyewitness accounts. John 14:26, John 15:27.

All we have is Paul's own words that he was a chosen vessel and Paul never tells the same story twice. In fact if you compare Acts 9 to Acts 26, his stories are in great conflict. In Acts 26 he totally leaves out Ananias and so does the spirit he quotes. No blindness is mentioned in Acts 26 and in fact he goes out preaching. Here the men with him fall down while the men in Acts 9:7 stand speechless.

The only way to know if Paul is a tare is to read and compare his words with the Words of Jesus.






---barb on 12/16/12


"I can't say the same for the words of Paul because Paul goes beyond what Jesus taught." barb

Obviously you don't believe Scripture, "But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel" Acts 9:15. Didn't Paul fulfilled this in the epistles?

"In the parable/prophecy of the wheat and the tares Jesus tells us that there will be lies sowed in the field alongside the truth."

You implying Paul is a tare? According to you, we should not even read the whole Holy Bible but only Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. For Christ only spoke and taught in those four books. Isn't that hypocrisy?
---christan on 12/15/12


Geraldine,

It's a bible story. You are condemned to nothing, no hell, no heaven.

Treat people as you would be treated and do your best to enjoy life.
---atheist on 12/15/12


Christian, here is what I know for sure...every Word that Jesus taught proceeded out of the mouth of God. I can't say the same for the words of Paul because Paul goes beyond what Jesus taught. Jesus never taught salvation by grace.

How can I be a hypocrite when I abide in the Words of God and His Son? Didn't Jesus pronounce seven woes to the scribes and pharisees for going beyond the Word of God and teaching lies to the people?

In the parable/prophecy of the wheat and the tares Jesus tells us that there will be lies sowed in the field alongside the truth.
---barb on 12/15/12


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Phil, where does God require us to follow Paul?---barb on 12/13/12

I am not desirous of disputation. I only request submission to the word of God. I have no theories to prove.

The verses I gave [1C 4:16, 1C 11:1 Phl 3:17 1Th 1:6] speak for themselves. It is Holy Spirit that spoke them through Paul.

If you choose to ignore these passages, and dismiss them as not from God, that is your decision.

I know Whom I have believed. I am not able to pick and choose what He said in order to make theories. I accept all His word as truth.

You will not find justification and the body of Christ in any letters from anyone but Paul. You cannot separate his truths from your salvation unless you are blinded by the enemy.
---Phil on 12/14/12


"I follow the words of Jesus and will not trade His Words for those of Paul. You will have to show me where Jesus teaches salvation as a gift/grace." barb

"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

Whether you like it or even believe in it, Genesis to Revelation, aka the Word of God, aka the Holy Bible is most definitely from the "mouth of God". Yes, even those from the apostle Paul.

Rejecting Paul's teaching is rejecting Christ, period. To say you "follow Christ" and then reject Paul's teaching is nothing short of being a hypocrite.
---christan on 12/14/12


barb, first, (John 1:12,13) speaks about those born of God. I want you to listen to who are the ones that will believe and given the right to be children of God.
"But as many as receive Him (Christ) to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name,"
Now hear who these people are that believe and given the right to be children of God,
"who were born, (already born) not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, (no obedience here) nor of the will of man, (no free will) but of God."
---Mark_V. on 12/14/12


Phil, where does God require us to follow Paul? All you have is Paul's word for it. Is that good enough for you? Do you just follow anybody who tells you that their god says you must follow them? Can you prove your theory by using the Words of Jesus? John 5:43.

Paul has nothing whatsoever to do with my salvation. My salvation is dependent on my willingness to obey God, abide in the teachings of His Son and go thru the process of being born of the Holy Spirit. John 3:20-21.
---barb on 12/13/12


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Trey, thanks for those beautiful verses but they do not actually say that we are saved by grace. In Matt 19 Jesus starts out by telling the young man that in order for him to gain eternal life, he must keep the commandments of God. God makes it possible for us to keep His commandments when we believe and abide in His Word.

The grace that John is writing about in John 1:16-17 is not saving grace but the grace of Truth, Jesus Christ, who resided in the bosom of His Father and was sent into the world to reveal the Father to us. John 1:18. John 7:16-19.
---barb on 12/13/12


Are you willing to trust in the words of Paul over the Words of God for your salvation? John 14:23-24.
---barb on 12/12/12

As Gentiles of the nations, God has required us to imitate Paul as He followed the Lord in what was revealed to him [1C 4:16, 1C 11:1 Phl 3:17 1Th 1:6].

1C 14:37 If anyone is presuming to be a prophet or spiritual, let him be recognizing that what I am writing to you is a precept of the Lord.

Paul spoke under guidance of the same Holy Spirit as did the Lord.

Was He the Lord out of heaven? No, he was not. But both were commissioned by God for a work in the earth. Both spoke for the Father.

Had you not believed Paul, you would not be saved.
---Phil on 12/13/12


Hi Barb:

Speaking of salvation by grace:
Joh1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Joh1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Grace is a gift it is not earned.

Mt18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. - GRACE

John 1:13 says our spiritual birth is not by our will, but by the will of God. - GRACE

Mt19:25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

Mt19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. - NOW THAT'S GRACE!!!
---trey on 12/12/12


Christian, I follow the words of Jesus and will not trade His Words for those of Paul. You will have to show me where Jesus teaches salvation as a gift/grace.

Sin is the transgression of the Law so please explain to me what it is that we are to overcome if it is not sin? Does Jesus state that we must overcome as He overcame in Rev 3:21? Are you willing to trust in the words of Paul over the Words of God for your salvation? John 14:23-24.

---barb on 12/12/12


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"Our reward for obedience is Heaven..." barb

What a loaded works-monger you truly are.

The sinner going to heaven is because:
1. God loves him/her
2. in His love, He elected him/her in His Son Jesus Christ unconditionally (confirmed in Romans 9:11) - whereas yours is conditional
3. In God's time and purpose, He will call His elect, justify them by the faith He has graciously given to them (confirmed in Romans 8:29,30)

Salvation in Christ is a gift and cannot be earned. That's why we are taught the God is indeed gracious and merciful to only those whom He has loved before the foundations of the world. it's call predestination.
---christan on 12/10/12


Geraldine, God had to throw Adam and Eve out of the Garden because they disobeyed Him. He had to separate them from the tree of Life. He warned them beforehand and they knew the outcome of disobedience but they chose to believe a lie.

Matt 5:45, Jesus tells us that His Father makes the sun rise on the good and the evil and sends rain to the just and the unjust.

Our reward for obedience is Heaven and that is why we are told to lay up our treasures in Heaven where they cannot be corrupted by the sins of this world and if we do this then our hearts will be there also.
---barb on 12/10/12


"Should I not be angry at God that innocents have to die?" Geraldine

How is one innocent if they are born in "trespass and sins"? That is, born a sinner, guilty as charged.

"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth.

Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth He yet find fault? For who hath resisted His will?

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"
Romans 9:14,18-20
---christan on 12/10/12


"Hope you get the message." So do I MarkV. It sounds as though Peter truly needs the help sound advice would give him, and by your statement on 12/8 I believe you could truly offer the help that he needs. Bless you.
---Josef on 12/10/12


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Bro. Peter, I did send you a Christianet email. you will be notified on your reguelar email that you have a notice and with it will come your password. Hope you get the message. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/12


It is a universal law of nature. In order to live, something else must die. Our food is the prime example. Death provides life.

Christ died for all, that all may live. All shall be vivified, made alive, in Christ. Every man, woman and child that has died will one day be made alive unto the Lord of all.

Death and sin will be abolished, by the power that raised Christ out from among the dead ones. And when death is no more, all will alive.

What is impossible for men is not for God. The salvation of all is inevitable and certain.
---Phil on 12/9/12


Geraldine,

Encouragement: Gods plan of salvation is perfect without flaw.
May God bless you.

Heb 4:15-16 "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."
"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

Lk 18:16-17 "But Jesus called them unto Him, and said, "Suffer little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God."
"Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein."

continued'
---char on 12/9/12


Mark V: Please be praying for me (I wish these thing allowed me to post an email on them, but they dont...

Things are getting worse while I do nothing, and yet I can't do anything, so God has made me do nothing because I am placed in a position where I see there is nothing to do, even though I wish I could

WHEN Christianet allows me to sign on - right now I DID HAVE a password and account name, but they somehow will not send it to me.... I signed in for a NEW one, where they should say that I cannot if I have a current one - but they dont ban me, they just never send me a name or password

It seems Chritianet does not want me on its site

If they do not want me, I will do what Christians are supposed to do, and go away
---Peter on 12/9/12


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Mark V: You can find me as Peter9556 in Greece, there are currently only three people in Greece, so if you say hi to me there I'll send you an email address.

Peter

PS: Would like to be able to discuss this in a way that can be constructive, though I know initially it is not, it may well be constrictive in the long term (I hope God has arranged it so it is constructive even in this world)
---Peter on 12/9/12


Bro. Peter, do nothing but hang on to the Lord. Just remember, all people fail. even our children. Also remember, you are responsible to God for what you do only. Normally when a couple goes to couseling, one of them has made up their minds already. And nothing will change. When we are helpless, is the time when we stop doing, and allow God to start working. Normally, when we continue to try to do something, things really get worse, and sometimes the time to heal between to two, last longer, only because we prolong turning things over to God. In my case, my wife came back after a year. During that time she also begin to seek God. In the time away from home, God was working in her heart. While working in mine also.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/12


Mark V: Yes, I wrote that mostly because I read that one word 'innocents' in the blog.....

Often we hear of someone being punished while they are 'innocent', though if we look over our whole live there was only One who was ever innocent!

And thanks for your comments on the other blog, too, though there I have no idea what to do!

Blessings
---Peter on 12/7/12


Bro. Peter, your answer is very true. We are not innocent at all. From the time we are born, we rebel, we need to teach our children the good things because all they know to do is the bad things.
I believe that God made a plan perfect even when our finite minds do not see it as perfect. God is incapable of making mistakes. While we see the whole world going to the dumps, and war's everywhere, believers dying for the cause, all has it's place in the plan of God. Without sin, there would be no such thing as good and bad, without sin most of God's attributes could not be displayed. His love, His justice, His Son, and the sacrifice He brought. His holiness, without hell we would have no choice. But God works all things for His own glory.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/12


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Geraldine: After the Lord Jesus Christ has saved you, have you committed any sin? If you have, then you have demonstrated that you are the same with Adam & Eve not better than them in zeal & determination to serve God. In place of Eve you might done exactly what she did.
---Adetunji on 12/7/12


Geraldine: The real question here is whether anyone is REALLY innocent

My first and greatest experience is of course with myself - and there I must say that I am NOT innocent.

We did not actually EAT the forbidden fruit, but we can see that the effects of eating that fruit remain with us till now

What I think Geraldine means is why did God not stop Adam and Eve from having children, and make new humans who would NOT eat of the forbidden fruit

But innocents we are not
---Peter on 12/6/12


Geraldine, one thing we have to remember and it comes from Isaiah 55:8,9).
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts"
The Lord is infinite and sees and takes care of the whole of creation all at once, He knows the end from the beginning while we see just a short part of the now. He knows the why's, while we as finite creatures grasp for wisdom. God does not get angry because you complain, He knows you do not see the whole picture. many in Scripture complained, and God heard them. Many times He changed their circumstances other times He didn't.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/12


Bro. Trey, again, your absolutely correct. Man, all humanity, it is about us. We lose someone, "we" hurt. Someone dies "we feel the pain" Someone is sick, "we suffer" and so on.
When God descided to make Adam our prepresentive, He was perfectly right. He could have made someone else our representive, but He picked the right one. We argue because "we" don't like it, again "we". A person can get mad if they want, but it will change nothing, for it's all in the plan of God. It is all about the next life with Christ that really matters to God, a life with Him in heaven. He worked it out perfectly, because His perfect, never fails. We fail all the time, for we are but human not God.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/12


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Geraldine, the Apostle Paul stated:
Php1:22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
Php1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ, which is far better:

Paul taught that life is better after we die!

Also, concerning babies, King David said:
Ps51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

David was not saying that his mother had an immoral physical relationship with a man, but that his mother was a sinner and his father was a sinner, and thus he was born a sinner. In other words, babies are not innocent. They are sinners in need of the Saviour just like us.
---trey on 12/4/12


Beloved,here been doing so great :) then, had been worried about this friend ( actually know her relatives ) anyway, wow! had strangest feeling next last nite notice almost all my hair GONE! Woe! ' was about go beautyshop/ thankGod anyway! I talked with a friend we got back in touch.
She.has aids..there she was comforting me! She said " you are battle cancer! But the war not over! And gave me a hug and prayed with me! Wow! So , you know like I always remind myself..No matter how I feel, what it looks like or what people say! God is working it out! For my good! Yes! In JESUS forevermore.ELENA
---ELENA on 12/4/12


Hello,thankfull be n your mist again.I believe whatever you go thru always. & I know a little bout life not always "fair " my point whatever it be, maybe it's your own test? Tests come to make you strong! or maybe you be goin'thru the trenches, you help someone else,who. goin. Thru the same ..Let God be there, he never leave you
---ELENA on 9/19/12


Geraldine, remember that St. Paul said, "We all have our special gift from God, some one, some another."

While the immediate context is marriage vs. celibacy, the principle has broader application, as well.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/17/12


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I guess another way to state my frustration is: If physical life is a gift from God, why do some receive smaller packages?
---Geraldine on 9/13/12


There are some things in life that we will never know the reason for in this lifetime. The answer to this question is one of them. There are times when you will not be able to find a bible verse or a reason to explain the situation you are going through. In those times you either have to trust that God loves us, or get angry. Nothing in life is fair. You can either let it make you bitter or make you better trusting that God is doing what is best for you. Sometimes, physical death is the best thing that can happen to a soul who longs to be with Jesus.
---Jed on 9/17/12


\\I guess another way to state my frustration is: If physical life is a gift from God, why do some receive smaller packages?
---Geraldine on 9/13/12\\

many men throughout the ages wonder the same.
---aka on 9/16/12


Geraldine, life is not fair. That's a harsh reality of our physical lives in this carnal world. My father, and both of my brothers died far too young, as far as I'm concerned. I had some anger about the fact that my children did not get to know their grandfather, and that my grandchildren will never know their great-uncles.

I prayed and told God honestly how I felt about it. I laid it all out, crying and asking Him to make sense of it for me. He let me rant, and then comforted me. He gave me Scriptures reminding me that because my brothers were believers, they are in heaven with Him, no longer suffering any physical or emotional pain.

God is faithful. He will never leave us nor forsake us.
---Trish on 9/16/12


Geraldine..
It is God's desire to have sons and daughter to return His love to Him.

The seed flesh of our bodies, as well as those of the innocent ones, must die to be vivified by Christ, which results in becoming new creations, beyond death and decay.

God does not want children that rot and die, He want them to remain immortal unto Him, as spiritual beings.

Adam chose his his wife over mindless obedience to God. It was what God planned. Thoughtless and ignorant obedience does not glorify God.

The experience of the knowledge of Good and Evil was necessary to become like Him.

The first step is to realize that without God's help and spirit, such knowledge is useless.
---Phil on 9/16/12


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\\I guess another way to state my frustration is: If physical life is a gift from God, why do some receive smaller packages?
---Geraldine on 9/13/12\\

Geraldine, don't you yet get that Christianity teaches that this life is not all there is?

Look at it this way: Some people get bigger packages of spiritual life.

It's NOT a zero sum game.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/12


There is a law in the universe that cannot be violated. It is the law that in order to live, something must die.

Seeds die to bring forth life.

This body of death will be replaced by bodies of immortality, formed in the image of His Son.

The innocents and infants will one day see incorruption and life beyond the flesh.

Such will be all sons and daughters of the Most High God.

The flesh will never satisfy our Father. Everyone will be changed. Christ is the First-fruit.
---Phil on 9/13/12


I was mad at God after my brother died last year but some have told me maybe the devil killed him--the devil comes to steal, kill and destroy. But I believe the Lord saved him in his dying moments and I look forward to meeting him again in Heaven.
---Mary on 9/13/12


I guess another way to state my frustration is: If physical life is a gift from God, why do some receive smaller packages?
---Geraldine on 9/13/12


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generally i find when i am tempted to e angry at God, it is because i am misunderstanding something.

and it really does little good to be mad at Him since this is His creation, not ours, and we are just passing through.

besides which, i really would not want to have Him angry with me!
---chip on 9/13/12


Geraldine,

Go ahead and be angry at God. but, there is a long line before you. then, when it your turn, if your tantrum has not subsided, then ask God. He can answer best for God.

OR

go down to your local homeless shelter. get to work, and then ask Him while you work. you will probably get a quicker answer that will satisfy you.
---aka on 9/12/12


Geraldine, so you're angry at God that some people die young? I didn't understand your question. I thought you were referring to the curse of spiritual death. You don't think those children who have died are in a better place now?
---Jed on 9/12/12


Jed - The death I speak of is not that of having bodily functions cease FOREVER, but being taken out of the physical world and shifted to spiritual. Innocent children snuffed out like hardened criminals.
---Geraldine on 9/12/12


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Geraldine, I have spoken with many Christians through the years, most of the older than me, who were angry at God for one thing or another, usually for something bad happening to them. Please do not be angry with God. It was Adam that sinned and plunged us all onto "death row".
Ro5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Instead Geraldine, thank God that he gave us his Son.
The Apostle Paul tells us that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared to the glory that shall be revealed in us. That's grace!!!
Lord bless you Sister.
---trey on 9/12/12


Geraldine, All people do not have to die. Jesus died to save you from death row. This option is available for all people. You should be happy that God made a way.
---Jed on 9/12/12


Who said babies were innocent, Geraldine? That's a false assumption. "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquities, and in sin did my mother conceive me."

However, this physical life is not ALL there is. And the Resurrection of Christ proves that death is not fatal. It's not the last word.

BTW, there was not a "death-row" outside of Eden. Death was not a punishment, but merely the result of eating the forbidden fruit--the result that God warned against.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/12/12


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