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David (no mean politician himself) sang in the Psalter, "Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men, in whom is NO salvation."

In modern terms, this means politicians and political parties.

If you think that electing the right people will save "Christian America," you are deluded. Only by changing YOURSELF can you possibly improve the nation.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/12


Jed:

Welfare is good, because it keeps families from starving. But it is also bad because it keeps people trapped in it.

However, if there WAS no welfare, these people WOULD be starving. Anyone who is on welfare has the freedom to choose to NOT be on it. The ONLY REASON welfare is a trap difficult to escape is that there is no alternative - people can't climb from the bottom rung of the ladder (welfare) to higher rings (self-sufficiency) because the gap is too large. However, this situation is not improved by removing the bottom rung on the ladder - the gap still remains, but NOW, people are forced to find jobs while living on the street and eating out of garbage cans. Do you seriously think that would be an improvement?
---StrongAxe on 11/12/12


Francis. There's always diversity of opinion within political parties. But the reality is it's the liberals that are the main group at the forefront pushing for easier abortion.

The abortion/murder of innocent babies has led to multi-millions of deaths. And the hypocritical liberals then resort to deceitful propaganda to portray themselves as the compassionate side of politics.

StrongAxe suggested both sides have blood on their hands. I was pointing out that the FACTS clearly show that it's the liberals who have the most blood on their hands. In comparison, the conservatives show more compassion.

Your loyalty to the deceitful Democrats is misguided. But neither side of politics is good anyway. Trust God instead.
---Haz27 on 11/12/12


StrongAxe, it may appear to an untrained mind that Republicans don't care for children after they are born because they oppose the current welfare system. But when you think about the fact that welfare is actually what is keeping their parents from getting a job, thus keeping their families in poverty, you can see that welfare actually hurts children. Because it gives parents just enough to get by without working and striving to compete in the work force wich would open up doors to success and lead them out of poverty. Childhood poverty in this country is caused by welfare, not a lack of help.
---Jed on 11/11/12


---Haz27 on 11/11/12
You mean no republican has ever had an abortion. If I remember clearly Mitt Romney ( may his political career R.I.P) ran against Kennedy as a prochoice candidate supporting abortion and he was a republican.

Under the democrats we have created free clinics to care for mothers and babies, WIC to help mothers and babies, Food stamps that help mothers and babies, unemployment insurance, low income housing that help mothers and babies, Medicaid that help mothers and babies. So yes, at the end of the day less babies will die because of LIBERAL POLICIES all of which conservatives oppose strongly.

READ:
Why abortion rate is up in Bush years
By GLEN HAROLD STASSEN and GARY KRANE
---francis on 11/11/12




Hi StrongAxe. You said: "stereotypical Democrats care for children after they are born, and not before, while stereotypical Republicans care for children before they are born but not after.
In either case, children die. So which of these has more blood on their hands, and which one does God like more?"

BUT the FACT is millions of babies are being murdered thanks to the likes of the liberals.
As for the allegation that children might die under the conservative's policies, that is mere speculation and political propaganda.

Associating the FACT of millions of babies murdered thanks to the likes of the liberals, with mere speculation that children might die under conservatives, is not a valid comparison.
---Haz27 on 11/11/12


researchers at University College London found that conservatives had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is a structure in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cortex a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity. Is the size of the amygdala determined at birth, or does it perhaps increase with frightening childhood experiences, such as authoritarian parenting and corporal punishment?
Similarly, one might ask whether the gray matter difference is affected by exposure to educational challenge, social diversity, or childhood cognitive enrichment."

Published on April 19, 2011 by Nigel Barber, Ph.D. in The Human Beast
---francis on 11/11/12


\\while stereotypical Republicans care for children before they are born but not after.\\

Which is not really true in real life, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/12


I am blessed living in America because God blessed America with freedoms (most will be gone within a year or two) for now I exercise my freedom of speech and freedom to not vote because all politicians lie, democratic party is aligned with powerful forces that are not from God, cannot see if idolizing obama claiming he never lies!!

If words of Valerie Jarrett and Lou Pritchetts letter to Obama (and other information) do not shock an American to their core, nothing will, in next few years Americans will see horror of what democrats plan to do with this country. America is no longer a democratic free nation because the powers in office are implementing a dictatorship, doubt there will be another presidential election in America.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/11/12


Cluny: "You are not so deluded that you think that ANY political party is consistent with Christianity"

You miss the point. The Democrat Party is at war with God. Did you see their convention? Whose side are YOU on in that war?


---jerry6593 on 11/11/12




Abraham is the father of Judaism. ---Jed on 10/1/12

Abraham may have been the Grandfather of Jacob, but Abraham was not the Father of Judaism.

Who is Abraham the Father of?

Genesis 17:5
Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham, for a father of many nations have I made thee.


Acts 3:25
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Romans 4:12
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
---kathr4453 on 11/11/12


\\Jerry, very true it is impossible to be a Christian and a democrat.\\

You are not so deluded that you think that ANY political party is consistent with Christianity, are you, FoC?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/10/12


Follower_of_Christ:

Many Christians proclaim that one cannot be a Christian and a Democrat, presumably because Democrats are pro-choice, and presumably abortion is anathema to God. However, Republicans are frequently for cutting back social programs - and many children can die if their safety nets are pulled out from under them.

So, basically, stereotypical Democrats care for children after they are born, and not before, while stereotypical Republicans care for children before they are born but not after.

In either case, children die. So which of these has more blood on their hands, and which one does God like more? I think the answer is much more grey than the black and white that so many people assume.
---StrongAxe on 11/10/12


pat: God is not in to politics. But trust in Him that all things work out according to His will.

The re-election of Obama is working towards bringing this world to it's end.

Remember Matt 24:21,22,
"then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

As we near the end things are going to get worse such that God will shorten the days for the elect's sake.
The Democrats are the best political party to bring about these worsening circumstances.

But in spite of all this, just continue to believe on Jesus.
---Haz27 on 11/10/12


\\God's hands are no longer upon this nation", God said.\\

God told me to tell you He never said any such thing. (And I didn't vote for Obama, either.)

\\And electing Obama for a second term was disappointing to God.\\

Wrong again. You can't disappoint God because you can't surprise Him.

Or are you confusing yourself with God?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/10/12


"It has already moved. God's hands are no longer upon this nation", God said.And electing Obama for a second term was disappointing to God.
---pat on 11/10/12


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Jerry, very true it is impossible to be a Christian and a democrat. As Valerie Jarrett declares war on anyone who opposes the dictatorship of Obama "Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we dont forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve."

Or as Lou Pritchett's open letter to Obama, he stated Obama scares me and obviously he understood very well the true motives as Valerie outlined in her rant. Obama and democrats want control of everything and dictators must crush opposition to maintain control. Obama has already proven he is not for America and Valerie also stated whatever they want they will get during this term.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/10/12


YES! The US is now CONTROLLED by democrats. It is impossible to be both a Christian and a Democrat.
---jerry6593 on 11/10/12
WHY?
It is because Democrats are willing to use federal dollars to give to the poorest of Americans medicaid, Medicare, Social security, unemployment insurance, WIC, food stamps, government subsidized housing without demanding that that Americans be heterosexuals and not no abortions?
---francis on 11/10/12


YES! The US is now CONTROLLED by democrats. It is impossible to be both a Christian and a Democrat.


---jerry6593 on 11/10/12


Beloved, this country and others such as England far as I read and have interacted with british people have told me on internet. You know when. They took prayer out of the schools, they excuse me what I am going to say. They allow many states to abort a baby, which 5 or 6 months that ,baby,be honest whether just fertilized in mother's womb. A Baby,thankyou JESUS,just example.We need get back to God! Love of JESUS,ELENA.
---ELENA on 10/17/12


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and, foc, you say to me "peace", but take away the very thing that could bring it.

someone might claim they are a baker because they have all the ingredients, but if they do not mix and cook them well, they have not proven anything.

you came with sweeping generalizations, insults, and twisted, faulty logic.

i do not think i want a piece of your brand of peace.
---aka on 10/3/12


foc, the question is using scripture show me where i erred. and you know it.

iow, you can't.

please show me how you can replace and reaffirm as you claom jesus did.

Jesus, the Father, and the holy spirit know my heart. thank you for blessing me yet again.

interesting to note when Jesus berated someone, he never ended it with peace.
---aka on 10/3/12


foc, please show me some scripture that you have used. please show me where i have erred using scripture.

you don't post scripture and you want me to show you where you have error in the scripture you don't post?

wow, another amusing entertainment factor, clever for you and very interesting indeed. peace to you I thank God for showing me your true motives and leaving me time to have dialogue with people who are truly seeking understanding. You cause strife, divide, and have opinion outside of scripture repeatedly and for a clear purpose to attack the Lord, peace.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/3/12


foc, please show me some scripture that you have used. please show me where i have erred using scripture.

do you say that jesus came for peace or division? what was the common religion being practiced by his jewish audience? you are most welcome to use scripture.

i really hope you reconsider the accusations that you made and let go of your vitriolic nature. it is not easy being challenged. either way, you bless me and i thank you!
---aka on 10/2/12


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foc, again. jesus not being a jew is not something i said. but, thank you for blessing me even more.

within what you quoted from me on your last post, please tell me (without the theatrics preferably) where i err.
---aka on 10/2/12


with Lord replacing... reaffirmed teachings of OT// how does that work?

you are proving yourself with each and every post you are not here to discuss holy scripture

you are here to divide, lend doubt, and purposely attack Gods holy word, attack people, and you repeatedly do this through nonsensical posts and outright smearing of basic holy scripture. You continuously ask questions on the attack that everyone is wrong yet never provide your scriptural proof for the doubt you cast. You are not a follower of the Lord Jesus you are a follower of another spirit.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/2/12



Jed, Jacob was the father of the 12 tribes, which judaism came from the southern two tribes. Abraham was not a jew and neither was isaac and neither was jacob.


It is always amazing the pure ignorance most have with the OT, yet understandable because the false ministers of Satan teach error to deceive.

taking your OT ignorance aside, you do understand the Lord Jesus was a Jew correct?? because if you are foolish enough to claim the Lord was not a Jew I can officially say you are antichrist and follow Satan preaching doctrines of devils!!
---Follower_of_Christf on 10/2/12


What tribe did Abraham belong to?
For that matter what tribe do you belong to?
---michael_e on 10/2/12


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foc, you are funny.

//Aka, Jesus did not come to create a new religion. // jed again, something i never said. jesus was the fulfillment of a Godhead that was not fully revealed.

//Jesus came to perfect an already existing religion // jed jesus did not come for religion at all.

//Christianity is not a new religion.// Christianity is not a religion

//with Lord replacing... reaffirmed teachings of OT// how does that work?

//strengthening 10 holy laws and// interesting...God's ten perfect laws needed strengthened?

Jed, Jacob was the father of the 12 tribes, which judaism came from the southern two tribes. Abraham was not a jew and neither was isaac and neither was jacob.
---aka on 10/1/12


// Christians worship Abraham's God, the original Jew's God.//
What tribe did Abraham belong to?
---michael_e on 10/1/12

You're kidding right? Are you really that ignorant of the Bible? Abraham is the father of Judaism. Haven't you heard of the Jewish patriarchs - Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? You seriously don't know that Abraham is the father of Judaism? Wow, you need to read up on your Old Testament.
---Jed on 10/1/12


Christianity is not a new religion. Christianity is Judiasm, with Lord replacing sacrifice of lamb and blotting out 613 mosaic laws, strengthening 10 holy laws and reaffirmed teachings of OT. Everywhere Jesus went teaching as if he were a teacher doesn't say he taught something new the Jews did not understand. If Jews believed the Lord was Messiah they would have believed prophecy, instead he came into his own and they rejected him not wanting him to rule over them, much like today's Christian Pharisee's who call him Lord yet do not do as he says. The word Christian used 3 times in NT. It was used to express a follower of the Lord (like brethren), not ever used as word describing new religion. catholic religion teaches antisemitism.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/1/12


// Christians worship Abraham's God, the original Jew's God.//
What tribe did Abraham belong to?
---michael_e on 10/1/12


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Aka, Jesus did not come to create a new religion. Jesus came to perfect an already existing religion that He Himself started thousands of years earlier with Abraham. Jesus is God, the same God that Abraham worshiped. Anyone who worships Jesus is actually worshiping Abraham's God. The Jews in Jesus' day did not recognize him as God because they had strayed so far off of what Abraham's faith was about. The Pharisees are the ones who had strayed away from true Judaism, not Jesus. The Jews today and in Jesus' day who rejected Him are following a false Judaism because they reject the God that their father Abraham worshiped. Christians worship Abraham's God, the original Jew's God.
---Jed on 10/1/12



you quoted only part of my sentence


funny I hear a shrill whenever you write. do you contort your face when you write too?

I simply quoted what you wrote then provided my own opinion you are simply too simple-minded to understand probably because you are always so busy whining with words. instead of becoming defensive and behaving like a sniveling shrew start reading Gods Word and seek his understanding. If you post from Gods holy word yielding to him rather than from your own misguided understanding you may find you could become less prone to having your childish outbursts. although I'm aware immaturity is directly related to the inability to express yourself intelligently. peace
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/1/12


foc, do you hear it? wah wah wah waah...charlie brown teacher ...and oh, yes...clanging brass.

you quoted only part of my sentence and then ran it into compost that i did not say or imply.

jed, i did not say that. read my post again. the jews in jesus' time was calling him a blasphemer. why? because jesus was not talking judaism but something different... a Godhead that was not fully revealed.

i did not say that christianity does away with the any of the scriptures. jesus is the fulfillment. the hebrews only worshipped part of what jesus said, which is judaism. therefore, christianity is not the same as judaism. ask any rabbi.
---aka on 10/1/12


Rom.2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Sometimes we can do right naturally, without reading the 10
---michael_e on 10/1/12


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Did you commit murder before you read the 10?
---michael_e on 9/30/12

Of course not, because I live in a society where I was taught Christian values and beliefs (which stemmed from Judaism)from birth.
---Jed on 10/1/12


"Christian's" love to run with this argument and established different belief's from the original scriptures, separating the Old Testament from the new well consider the prophet Obadiah 1 and read how God did not instruct the Gentiles to be as wicked as they were to the Hebrews, and consider what he said he in turn would do to them.

The putting away of the Hebrews was not something to gloat about for they are still if they repent sons of God and scripture unites them in their belief.

Christ actually came to seek and to save that which was lost.
Consider who are the LOST( African and other nations the western world has derailed and devalued their money and classed them as a third world Country, Mmmmmm.
---Carla on 10/1/12


The Hebrew God as He was understood is not God

interesting!! then your denominational view (this new-age Christiandom you worship) was introduced to a brand new and improved god??? (seeing the Lord did not introduce you to this god not sure what your denomination has founded this view on). The God of the OT exclaimed I change not, yet your denominational view is against holy scripture by claiming the Hebrew God is not God then you also must understand you have no savior!!! In OT God works through prophets, if God was not God in the OT then you also must understand anything written is a lie and you have no savior if OT is a lie and the God of the OT is not really GOD.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/1/12


Aka, are you suggesting that Christians worship a false god? Because the Bible makes it clear that the Hebrews in the Old Testament worshiped the one true living God, Jehovah. Any other God is a false god. If Christians are not worshiping the same God of the Old Testament, they are worshiping a false god.
---Jed on 9/30/12


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/The Christians have kept many of the Jewish practices.//
Such as?
---michael_e on 9/29/12

I just told you. They worship the Jewish God. -- jed

christians do not worship the Hebrew God. christians worship a Godhead made of the Father, Holy Spirit, and of the Son. The Hebrew God as He was understood is not God as the Godhead is revealed to christians.
---aka on 9/30/12


If you remember Paul profited in the Jews religion. What part of the Jews "religion" did christianity keep?

the hebrews were the only people on earth to worship the true God, all other nations at the time of the Lord were gentile nations with many gods all an abomination to Elohim. the tribe of Judah was the model nation who obeyed the 10 laws of God and true Believers today follow these laws.and obey through Gods holy spirt and follow examples the Lord Jesus left who obeyed the Father in all things. The tribe of Judah was without Gods holy spirit.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/30/12


Religion is not a good word. Its never used in a good light except when James uses it here that as keepers of the Law, yes, theyre religious.

Pagans worshiped their gods.
So that's not different

Did you commit murder before you read the 10?

Christians are "new creations" not followers of some religion.
---michael_e on 9/30/12


Jed you might want to check the word religion in the Bible as opposed to some dictionary. Try to find one instance of religion used in a good way. ---michael_e on 9/29/12

"Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unspotted by the world." -James 1:27

//The Christians have kept many of the Jewish practices.//
Such as?
---michael_e on 9/29/12


I just told you. They worship the Jewish God. Also, most Christians agree it is wrong to take the Lord's name in vain, to steal, to murder, adultery, etc. Most of the beliefs that define Christian living today come from old testament Jewish commandments.
---Jed on 9/29/12


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Yes! A large number of Godly Christians blesses a society, while a large number of baby Christians, and false Christians brings ruin.
Matthew 7:15, 24:12, John 13:35, Acts 20:29-30, Romans 16:17, 2Corinthians 6:14-18, 11:1-14, Philippians 3:17, 2Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:10-16, 2Peter 2:1-3, Revelations 3:14-21.
---Glenn on 9/29/12


Jed you might want to check the word religion in the Bible as opposed to some dictionary. Try to find one instance of religion used in a good way.
//The Christians have kept many of the Jewish practices.//
Such as?
---michael_e on 9/29/12


Michael, I think you may want to get acquainted with a dictionary. Christianity is a religion. Many Christians can all have different doctrines.

The Christians have kept many of the Jewish practices. Including worshiping and praying to their God, Jehovah.
---Jed on 9/28/12


while being relatively unconcerned about world events, and even less concerned with Christianity. Christianity in general, where it exists in the US, seems to be very unimportant in comparison to material things.
---Rod4Him on 9/28/12

i am buy far mr. red, white, and blue. but, where are we when there is a natural catastrophe around the world? who came after katrina? some countries are still paying off debts...INTEREST FREE...from after WWII. does the US get that kind of consideration?
---aka on 9/28/12


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//You can't follow Christianity without following Judaism. Christianity came from Judaism.//
Christianity is not a religion it is a doctrine. Christianity is not a feeling it is a doctrine. Doctrine is what is taught.
If you remember Paul profited in the Jews religion. What part of the Jews "religion" did christianity keep?
---michael_e on 9/28/12


I recently went to the US for a short visit while living abroad. It was very apparent that in general the US is consumed with materialism, buying new and better things, eating, and entertainment, while being relatively unconcerned about world events, and even less concerned with Christianity. Christianity in general, where it exists in the US, seems to be very unimportant in comparison to material things.
---Rod4Him on 9/28/12


You can't follow Christianity without following Judaism.
---Jed on 9/27/12

but, you can follow christ (jesus) without falling back into some practices of judaism.
---aka on 9/27/12


Probably more on this site follow Judaism than Christianity
---michael_e on 9/25/12

You can't follow Christianity without following Judaism. Christianity came from Judaism. Jesus Christ was a Jew and also practiced Judaism. The Bible tells us "All who are in Christ have become Abraham's seed". When you worship God you are worshiping a Jewish God. Those who follow Christ are the true Jews.
---Jed on 9/27/12


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Probably more on this site follow Judaism than Christianity
---michael_e on 9/25/12


francis, there is reasons why the Ten Commandments were not part of the laws of the land. First, there were no SDA's around, which is great, if they were, no one would be save now. People who came here were escaping religious persecution. Such as is found now in the SDA's. Second, the Ten Commandments never saved anyone. People are saved by Grace through faith. Not by keeping the letter of the law. God made sure many were born of the Spirit already when they came here. The Ten Commandments given to Israel never saved anyone. People who came here already knew the moral laws of God. They did not follow Saturday Sabbath which was given to Israel who was under the Law. Believers in Christ are under the Spirit of the Law. And there is more.
---Mark_V. on 9/22/12


HIS Ten Commandments were respected and used to base and govern this country,
---Gordon on 9/21/12

I am looking forward to yo next post, where you will show me the ten commandments in the US constitiution.

Ot maybe you will show me SOME of the ten commandments, but how would those few out of the ten differ from laws already established n Rome and England at that same time period?
---francis on 9/21/12


I do not believe that the 1st Amendment to the Constitution specifically was written for Christians and the One True God. If it were, there would have been mention of it in our founding documents. Yet, it is interesting that many of those founders were also Masons, a huge cult that is not of God.

I also believe that our country is slipping away from Christ because believers are being terrible witnesses for Him by refusing to be salt and light, as well as loving their neighbors. The Church in America is slipping away from Christ.
---Trish on 9/21/12


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Thank you Gordon, it's nice to see some people actually do remember history!!! I was beginning to think my history class was a fraud with so many people here seem so clueless as to American history (unless they are from another country), and that the American nation was founded upon the freedom of religion for the express purpose of Christianity. America has already moved away from Christianity and the current president is putting the finishing touches on that. And I guess somehow he has been successful in erasing American history from the minds of most Americans too.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/21/12


Francis, Back when America was officially established as a nation, with the drawing up of the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, was a time when the Personhood of GOD was feared and respected and HIS Ten Commandments were respected and used to base and govern this country, and the establishment of TRUE Religious Freedom (which means: Freedom to worship and serve the ONE and True GOD without being penalized by the civil authorities), all this, is what made the United Staes of America a "Christian Nation". But, now, we have backslidden so far from respecting GOD and HIS Laws that we are no longer a Christian Nation in the truest sense. Btw, Obama said we are not a Christian Nation, but, he meant it in another way.
---Gordon on 9/21/12


Spinter, what you said is very true,

"This nation became a Christian nation the moment it was born, as Christ is over all the nations therefore, whatever Jesus allows to come to pass is under His divine plan"


Christianity grows as God continues to save, not only here but all over the world. Nothing are no one stops God from drawing whom He will's to Himself. The Spirit goes where it wants and brings spiritual life to whom He will's. Those who are made alive together with Christ, will believe in Christ and His works, will repent, and will become a part of the body of Christ. All in God's time. History only speaks of what man has done, not what God has done through history.
---Mark_V. on 9/21/12


This nation became a Christian nation the moment it was born, as Christ is over all the nations therefore, whatever Jesus allows to come to pass is under His divine plan. There is no evolution as 'nothing' cannot by definition bring forth 'something', there must have always been One whom had no beginning, and that One is God.
---spinter on 9/20/12


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My question is: When was America a chrisian nation?
Was it during the interaction between the pilgrims and the Native Americans, or during the interaction between the Colonialist and the West Africans? or some time after that?
---francis on 9/20/12


Trey, This nation has ALREADY moved away from Christianity. Mostly because the American Churches have become worldly and have ceased from being a true Salt and Light to the World. The majority of the Churches in America look Churchy, pious and "christian" but, they have no HOLY SPIRIT Power within to be victorious Christians who can bring true Hope and the Light of YAHUSHUA (JESUS) to the dark and dying America.
---Gordon on 9/20/12


Kathr, you don't have to do anything as far as I'm concern. But I do know we are the light of the world. Unto good works, means everything that is good. When you claim you don't have to, then the passage does not pertain to you. It only pertains to those in Christ,
"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, "which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10).
If you are in Christ you will try to do everything necessary that is good, and the moral laws of God are good, God prepared it that way. Unbelievers don't follow the moral laws of God. They do the desires of their father the devil. Only the children of God want to do everything possible they can for the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 9/20/12


MarkV, please provide scripture where we, the Body of Christ, those created unto Good works, say it's "our" job to make sure everyone keeps the MORAL LAW of God or even the Mosaic law .

God certainly will JUDGE unbelievers by that moral law he put in all man's conscience.

Yet, I can't find any scripture we were put as the "Planet Police" to enforce any Moral Law. The Moral Law in man seems to have a way of policing itself.

Countries without any law of Moses seem to have laws of right and wrong according to their beliefs, yet no where are we (Christians) responsible to be the enforcers of Moral Law over the unsaved..

We are to be a "LIGHT" to the Nations..not a club.
---kathr4453 on 9/19/12


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Phil, what you said is true,

"Trusting in the living God requires denial of trust in man's ability to save himself."

But you suggest those in Christ not take any responsibility. Stop everything since it changes nothing. But you are wrong, we are saved unto good works.
"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:19).
Christians work for Christ, bringing the Gospel, doing good to others, making sure the moral laws of God are kept. Whatever we do has already been ordained for us to do. You don't just stop, and say, "the hell with everything, for nothing matters." Everything does matter for us.
---Mark_V. on 9/18/12


Phil, your post here was right on!

AMEN!

We never learn from our or others mistakes. The DARK Ages prove that.

The Gospel of Salvation will always overcome and rise above man's efforts to supress the Gospel and put man and Religion in authority over man.

Religion is not Christianity.

If you know that God has told us this world and world powers will end, why spend time trying to fix what cannot be fixed.

If you know a ship is sinking, why spend time trying to put out the fire. Spend yout time getting as many off this sinking ship as possible.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/12


All human government, our present constitutional republic included, are slated to end up in failure. It cannot be any other way. Seeking to avoid this crisis is to oppose the will of God.

Government is an earthly affair. There will be no such thing in heaven. Absolute obedience to God negates the need of it.

It is not what God wills for man, but till man fails utterly and completely, His Son cannot repudiate it and enter into His glory as the King over all.

The Great Crisis will come.

It must come.

Being patriotic is being on the wrong team.

Trusting in the living God requires denial of trust in man's ability to save himself.
---Phil on 9/16/12


Please read the rest of Matthew 24. The moderator chose not to post the remaining scriptures which I posted after that last post. END TIME REVIVAL IS NOT BIBLICAL.
---KarenD on 9/13/12


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Absolutely! My wife and I were out of the USA for 33 years as missionary's and on returning to the USA we could see a vast difference in the attitudes towards Christians and Christianity in general that wasn't there when we left. As to be expected, Satan makes subtle changes that aren't always noticed over a period of time until it's too late to do anything about it, or caring to do anything about it.
---wivv on 9/13/12


Do you mean is the professing Church moving away from the Cross and trying to mandate Christianity through legislation and OT Law of Moses? Well, there are many now who have joined hands with this movement believing it to be sanctioned by God. But one first has to prove God prophesied somewhere in the OT that one day there would be a mighty Gentile Nation where all their leaders were divinely appointed by God and are in direct line with divine revelation from God.

We have something somewhat close to that called the RCC.

God didn't send Jesus to save Nations, but individual sinners to repentance.

After Jesus resurrection, no where are we instructed to put anyone under the Law of Moses and make OT Jewish Nations out of them.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/12


trey,
Chrisianity has become Infomercial Christianity.

"Jesus saves from the penalty of sin"
has become
"Jesus can change your life"

If all Jesus can do is change your life, then He is no better than acne medicine or a vacuum cleaner


"eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ"
has become
"Pray this prayer and He'll change your life"

People with a false hope, based on a false "response", never indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and their "faith" isn't important enough to pass down to their children.

Then where does that leave the next generation? LOST
---James_L on 9/13/12


Do you believe this nation is moving away from Christianity?
---trey on 9/12/12

We would have to ask the Native Americans about the pilgrims, and the African Americans about the colonialist. They would have a better idea of the Christian nature of this nation
---francis on 9/13/12


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Matthew 24....3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
---KarenD on 9/13/12


Absolutely. It's really a shame. We were once a God fearing country. May God have mercy on America.
---Jed on 9/13/12


yes, i do believe we are seeing fewer in this generation know about, much less actually knowing God as their hope.

the problem is a horrible Christian witness and self serving churches.

want to change the status quo? live your faith and have a ready answer when asked....
---chip on 9/13/12


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