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Fellowship Of The Mystery

In Ephesians 3:8-9, Paul talks about "the fellowship of the mystery", and says he wants "all" to see what this is. What do you have on this? Also, James says "be doers of the word," in James 1:22. What does seeing this "fellowship of the mystery" mean for us to do?

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This man, and Cornelius, were already Jews through submitting themselves to the faith.

It would be impossible to enter into Jerusalem to worship unless you already were a proselyte.
---Phil on 9/27/12

Although I would not use these words, i will accept it because it supports my point.


References like: proselytes, and Nethinims speak of gentiles who served God of Israel.

So the mystery was not on the part of the people of God. It was on the part of the gentiles that the same God who created would also be the God of redemption to both Jews and Gentiles. That both Jews and Gentiles would have the exact same path to redemption: THE BLOOD OF JESUS
---francis on 9/27/12


Acts 8:27---francis on 9/26/12

This man, and Cornelius, were already Jews through submitting themselves to the faith.

It would be impossible to enter into Jerusalem to worship unless you already were a proselyte.

The eunuch represents Canaan
Cornelius represents Japheth.
The Jew are of Shem.

Gn 9:25 And he said, Cursed [be] Canaan, a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

Gn 9:26 And he said, Blessed [be] the LORD God of Shem, and Canaan shall be his servant.

Gn 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem, and Canaan shall be his servant.

These are the only Gentiles the Jewish believers ever preached the Gospel to [Ac 11:19]
---Phil on 9/27/12


2 Kings 5:17 ---francis on 9/26/12
Naaman, as well as Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus were Gentiles that received God's attention.

None of them practiced Judaism. They may have been fully aware of all pertaining to it, yet the Scriptures do not assign to them even proselyte status.
---Phil on 9/27/12


---francis on 9/26/12

The secret of God's Evangel, wherein Hebrew and Gentile no longer are separated by the enmity of flesh, the law and ordinances, and are one body, is not mentioned anywhere outside of Paul's writings.

I am not mistaken. If this were so, someone would have been faithful enough to reveal it to my ignorance.

I solicit your attempt, though I do not expect it.
---Phil on 9/27/12


christan on 9/26/12

The entire OT is God's dealings with the Jews. It is about them and to them. We are only peripherals.

2 Corinthians 6:16 speaks of a future day, when God is All in all. For now, we possess the earnest of His spirit, not God dwelling in us. Our mortal bodies would disintegrate instantly in His presence.

When He finally does dwell in mankind, it will be at the consummation of all things, when all will be redeemed at that point.

1C 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
---Phil on 9/27/12




Phil, through OT prophets Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, God declared:

"I will be their God and they shall be My people." These appeared in Jeremiah 24:7, 31:33, 32:38, Ezekiel 11:20, 14:11, 37:23,27, Zechariah 8:8. You actually think God was implying to the physical nation of Israel here?

Paul and Hebrews made similar mention in 2 Corinthians 6:16 and Hebrews 8:10. So, who's "My people" referring to Paul declared, "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel." Was Paul talking about physical or spiritual Israel?

As for gentiles being saved in OT, wasn't Abraham, Rahab, Ruth to name a few - OT gentiles? I hope you now feel blessed.
---christan on 9/26/12


---Phil on 9/26/12
Acts 8:27 a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians,.. had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

2 Kings 5:17 And Naaman said,..? for thy servant will henceforth offer neither burnt offering nor sacrifice unto other gods, but unto the LORD.

Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven... Acts 2:10 , and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

Lots and lots of Non-jews turned from idols to serve
the Lord.
Ephesians 2:12 (THEY WERE) without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world
---francis on 9/26/12


The "mystery" of Christ and His Body (church) was indeed mentioned in the OT.
Or how else would we know, understand and belief in God's written Word?
---christan on 9/25/12

I will await your evidence that this is so.

Please provide the "Old Testament" passages wherein the gentile nations are promised the land and the royal priesthood on earth as was Israel.

I would be blessed to be corrected. But I doubt that you will find anything.

Please point me to where the other apostles and Hebrew writers speak of a joint and equal body.

An honest response will be, "None of the others mention the mystery of Christ."
---Phil on 9/26/12


Isaiah 56:6 ---francis on 9/25/12

This unfulfilled promise to Israel and those connected to them through observing the Law is no proof of the secret Paul revealed.

It is not even close. In fact, it disproves it by re-inforcing Law keeping.

Eph 3:6 that the nations be fellow-heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in the Christ, through the good news.

We are not under the law, and Circumcision profits nothing.

Rightly divide the word of truth.
---Phil on 9/26/12


There is no mention in the OT of a joint body, enjoying the blessings of God on equal footing, without the enmity of the flesh [the Law and Prophets].
---Phil on 9/25/12

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

Isaiah 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people
---francis on 9/25/12




The "mystery" of Christ and His Body (church) was indeed mentioned in the OT. Paul and the apostles quoted from the OT to reveal the concealment in their epistles. Even Christ quoted from the OT to bring forth the message of the Gospel.

For eg, Christ was concealed in the sacrifice of the lamb, the ark. And the "church" was concealed in Abel, Noah, Abraham - individuals who make up the Body of Christ, culminating in the creation of Israel the nation to represent the "complete church". These were the physical that was pointing to the spiritual "church", which Paul revealed in his epistles together with the other apostles.

Or how else would we know, understand and belief in God's written Word?
---christan on 9/25/12


So my point stands,
the mystery was not on the part of the people of God. ---francis on 9/24/12

Eph 3:4...the secret of the Christ, [is]
the nations are to be joint enjoyers of an allotment, and a joint body, and joint partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus, through the evangel.

There is no mention in the OT of a joint body, enjoying the blessings of God on equal footing, without the enmity of the flesh [the Law and Prophets].

No one but Paul had this revelation from God.

There is not one single Jewish prophet or apostle other than him, to whom God revealed this secret.
---Phil on 9/25/12


The "all" does not imply every soul that God has created. For Christ told His disciples, "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given." Matthew 13:11

So the "all" obviously refers only to those whom God has chosen before the foundation of the world. Who they are, only God Almighty knows.

The "fellowship of the mystery" refers to the fellowship with Christ, those saved by grace through faith, which is a gift from God - which the world does not receive, unless they have been covenanted to be in Christ by the Father.
---christan on 9/25/12


"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." (Romans 12:1-2)

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28)

Whatever God's love has us doing is divine (c: (Romans 5:5, Philippians 2:13)
---willie_c: on 9/24/12


---Phil on 9/23/12
Lets start with the Proselytes:
Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

and these proselytes are counted amoung these devout Jews

As to the nethinims, Their service and devotion to God was invaluable when the jews returned from exile. Without them, post babylon temle worship coudl not take place.


So my point stands,
the mystery was not on the part of the people of God. It was on the part of the gentiles

further biblical proof:
Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,

Who do you think the YE is this verse is referring to?
---francis on 9/24/12


Luckily for me I have an entire bible and Paul is only one contributer---francis on 9/23/12

Es 8:17 And many of the peoples of the country were professing themselves Jews for awesome fear of the Jews had fallen on them.

Coercion at worst, selfish motives at least. No mention of divine service to God.

Acts 2:5 speaks only of Judaism. No other is mentioned. Proselytes were not accorded the privileges of being a full-blooded Jew, no matter how far they progressed in the faith.

Nethinim are slaves to the Levites, appointed by David. They are Jews of an inferior status.
---Phil on 9/23/12


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Ephesians 2 refutes the notion that any Gentile nation ever was joined to God in service to Him.
---Phil on 9/23/12

Luckily for me I have an entire bible and Paul is only one contributer

Esther 8:17 And many of the people of the land became Jews, for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.

Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven...
Acts 2:10 strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,


Nehemiah 10:28...the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God,
---francis on 9/23/12


..since Gentiles had already been joined to God and served God...now they were equally the people of God
---francis on 9/22/12

Ephesians 2 refutes the notion that any Gentile nation ever was joined to God in service to Him.

Nowhere in Paul's writings is the body of Christ referred to as the "people of God".

The Jews alway were and will be His "people" alone.

No nation besides Israel can perform divine service to God on this present earth.

We have been charged to offer our bodies as living sacrifices as a logical divine service. Ro 12:1

We are the body of Christ, not His people.

Citizens of heaven cannot be classified as "people".
---Phil on 9/23/12


This is a very interesting passage, since Gentiles had already been joined to God and served God:
References like: proselytes, and Nethinims speak of gentiles who served God of Israel.

So the mystery was not on the part of the people of God. It was on the part of the gentiles that the same God who created would also be the God of redemption to both Jews and Gentiles. That both Jews and Gentiles would have the exact same path to redemption: THE BLOOD OF JESUS

The gentiles were aliens to the promise of God, now they were equally the people of God
---francis on 9/22/12


That the Gentiles should become joint enjoyers of an allotment, in a joint body, and joint partakers with Christ Jesus according to the gospel Paul received.

The Apostle's doctrine does not have this element. The nations are to become disciples and fulfill the Law according to the sermon on the Mount, with faith towards God.

It is an inferior position.

The Kingdom gospel the Lord preached is for His people, a supreme race above all the nations, according to the Prophets and the promise of God.

Their failure to accept the offer has turned to our riches.

Yet, they are not cast off forever. No, they will behold Him when He returns to Olivet to rule as King and Son of Mankind.
---Phil on 9/22/12


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"What do you have on this?"
Father has "made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth...in Him. [For] God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. Which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Eph1:9,10>2Cr 5:19>Col 1:27
"What does seeing this "fellowship of the mystery" mean for us to do?" Trust and love Him. Knowing that He has first loved us, we should love one another.
---Josef on 9/21/12


Ephesians 3:8-9 > "To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ,"

"fellowship" > partnership in a benefit . . . sharing

"mystery" > a "secret", available only to ones who have been introduced to a group

Possibly, Paul means the benefit we share by knowing Jesus, but this is secret to those in the world. Also . . . all along, God planned for the Gentiles to share in the "unsearchable riches of Christ".
---willie_c: on 9/20/12


For the mystery, do an online KJV bible search for the word "mystery" and know what it is.

As for being doers of the word, it is the active part of the ultimate commandment as spoken of by Jesus which is love (as in the verb form) - genuine love. Do an online KJV bible search for the words "one another", "each other", "comfort" and "encourag." How many of you will actually read every verse?
---Steveng on 9/20/12


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