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Were the Ten Commandments really commandments of God or just suggestions that Christians may ignore?

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the unsaved Jews, Muslims and Gentiles talk about the Creator just like you.
---christan on 10/3/12

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of JESUS CHRIST.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that,KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and the FAITH OF JESUS.

that is what a christian is: one who keeps ALL God commandments AND have faith in Jesus.
Can you say that of yourself, the unsaved jews, muslims, and gentiles?
---francis on 10/4/12


Isaiah 66:22-23 NLT As surely as my new heavens and earth will remain, so will you always be my people, with a name that will never disappear, says the LORD. All humanity will come to worship me from week to week and from month to month.
---elee7537 on 10/4/12


---christan on 10/3/12
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Sabbath will continue forever
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---francis on 10/4/12


francis, who's talking about "gentiles who did not wish to be jews, and call it the jewish sabbath."? You may think, you are "talking about the Creator", but I've got news for you, even the unsaved Jews, Muslims and Gentiles talk about the Creator just like you.

The Sabbath Day in the OT commanded by God is rest from works, which was clearly spiritually pointing to the sinner resting from their dead works for salvation and believing in Christ that He is now the revealed Sabbath of God for their souls.

"For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:2,4
---christan on 10/3/12


---Nana on 10/3/12
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

1: Did God EVER put a yoke on the necks of His people?
ANSWER: 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2: Is the sabbath a yoke?
ANSWER: Isaiah 58:13 the sabbath,... my holy day,.. a delight,

3: Where was the problem, was it the Law of God, or the people?
ANSWER: Hebrews 8:8 For finding with THEM

CONCLUSION: The yoke here is not the circumcision itself, but the belief that their salvation relies on their circumcision as the fathers did
---francis on 10/3/12




"See what satan has done to you, he causes you to call what God calls a DELIGHT a burden"
---francis on 10/3/12

It was Peter, who also walked with the Lord Christ, whom brought the charge of a burden from the obvious persecution that new converts were exposed to. Address his charge and the charge levied by all these:

"The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:"

Are you trying to subvert souls with satan cracks?
---Nana on 10/3/12


Let's examine all the reason people have given for not keeping the sabbath:

Gentile believers need not observe laws that were distinctly Jewish
---elee75m37 on 9/27/12

The 10 commandments are not paramount
---elee7537 on 9/28/12

The Forth Commandment of the Ten does not say Saturday is the Sabbath, it says to keep the Sabbath.
---Mark_V. on 10/1/12


Christians would have not wanted to be identified with the Jews, hence they sought out a different day
---Mark_Eaton on 10/1/12

The day is OUR day. The day is MY day... who say what day of the week it must be,
---Mark_Eaton on 10/2/12

---francis on 10/3/12


---christan on 10/3/12
Hebrews 10:26 if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

---elee7537 on 10/3/12
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them

It is ALL ABOUT JESUS
You make it about gentiles who did not wish to be jews, and call it the jewish sabbath
But ALL I have printed is ALL ABOUT THE CREATOR


---francis on 10/3/12


francis, you think you're the only one who's a Roman Catholic? I was a cradle Catholic and for 43 years! It's true that the Vatican is the mother harlot but there are many other little harlots that every once a year returns to the mother. You know what I am talking about? They all sing the same carol call, "I'LL BE HOME FOR CHRISTMAS".

So you think you're out of Babylon? Let me than ask you this simple question. What if after being a Christian, you break one of the laws of God. Will you lose your salvation? Better still, can a Christian lose his salvation? Let your yes be yes and your no be no.
---christan on 10/3/12


Francis is not a Christian but simply a seventh Day Adventist. if he were a Christian he would tell us that it is all about Jesus, but he honks honks honks the old Jewish Sabbath believing that one may earn salvation by works.
---elee7537 on 10/3/12




---christan on 10/2/12
I grew up as a Roman catholic, first communion and all. So I know what it is to spiritually come out of Babylon:
1 Peter 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, (ROME)

When you do not keep the 4th commandment and encourage others not to keep it, you are indeed breaking Gods laws, and teaching others to break it

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Hebrews 10:16... I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,
---francis on 10/3/12


"This may mean leaving your current denomination, but God says: 2 Cor 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate," francis

Funny you should use this verse to give us the impression that you have come out from Babylon. You're precisely what Christ spoke,

"Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out, and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first." Matthew 12:44,45

You don't even know the difference between keeping and obeying.
---christan on 10/2/12


What has happened here is very simple. You joined a denomination without first being taught completely what it is you should do after receiving Jesus as saviour.

So now you are in a denomination that teaches you to keep only 9/10 commandments although they ALL say that we should keep the Ten Commandments. they give you unbiblical reasons for not keeping the sabbath.

I was raised Catholic. Once I heard about the TEN COMMANDMENTS, I knew at age 14 that i should be keeping all ten

I want to urgue everyone in here to stop fooing yourself:
Keep all ten commandments as you know you should.

This may mean leaving your current denomination, but God says: 2 Cor 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate,
---francis on 10/2/12


Many people think that they are Christians, but they are not. What they are are protestant, protesting some of the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church.

That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.
We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith
t is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible." (Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society, 1975, Chicago, Illinois)
---francis on 10/2/12


francis, I don't recall even once anyone who encouraged nor propagate a fellow Christian to break the laws of God. It's your very obsession in trying to obey the law for salvation that Paul tells us of the folly of the Jews in Romans 10:2-4,

"For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."


That is, FAITH in Jesus Christ is the end of the law for the Christian. Why? Christ fulfilled the law on the Christian behalf. Get it?
---christan on 10/2/12


So, have you harken onto the words that Christ spoke or are you still stuck in the OT?
---christan on 10/2/12
THIS ONE?
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---francis on 10/2/12


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...JackB, kathr4453 on 10/1/12
Answred on blog DID THE APOSTLES DO WRONG on 10/1/12 Unlike the feast days which may fall on any day, the sabbath always falls on the same day, 7th day (saturday) is blessed, unlike the other feast days

do you know why Christ declared, "depart from me, ye that work iniquity."?
---christan on 10/2/12

Self explanitory realy. they were not keeping the law, the were living in sin IE iniquity.

Revelation 12:17 the remnant: which KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and the faith of Jesus.

OT or NT we are always called to keep all the commandments of God
---francis on 10/2/12


francis,

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Matthew 7:21-23

do you know why Christ declared, "depart from me, ye that work iniquity."?

Think, what does the Ten Commandments declare to the man? That if he obeys them he will be saved? Or that you are a SINNER and you're going to die?
---christan on 10/2/12


"Deuteronomy 5:22 These words the LORD spake." francis

Yes, we all know about the Ten commandments and the multitudes of laws that God gave in the OT. And through Paul we now know that, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Do you?

Scripture also declared, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds." Hebrews 1:1,2

So, have you harken onto the words that Christ spoke or are you still stuck in the OT?
---christan on 10/2/12


Why do the people who keep the sabbath continue to provide scripture after scripture for keeping the sabbath and all ten commandments, while those who do not keep the sabbath give a variety of reason not found in any scripture why they do not keep the sabbath but only nine out of the ten?
---francis on 10/1/12

Why do you think the 10 commandments are an outward obedience and not under the New Covenant an inward thing.

We do actually keep His sabbath REST now within and it's not a DAY anymore but a LIFE...In Christ WE are sacntified, not a day.

To be "set apart", same as "sabbath". Sanctification or Saint is to be SET APART.

OUR REST is 365/24/7.

Have YOU ENTERED HIS REST Francis?
---kathr4453 on 10/2/12


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Francis, I dont understand why you feel the need to keep special days and events when Paul condemned it in his letter to the Galatians. Jewish Christians were making a grave error mixing the law and grace (just as you are doing now) - one that he tried to turn them away from by explaining to them that if they continue to seek righteousness by the law they are under a curse and have made the cross of Christ of no effect.
---JackB on 10/1/12


The seventh day was a special day, along with the seventh month of the Hebrew calendar. In it were 3 festivals and 4 extra sabbath days. The first day of the seventh month was the Festival of Trumpets. This was also a sabbath. The tenth day of the seventh month was a sabbath. This was the great Yom Kippur or Day of Atonement followed on the fifteenth day of the seventh month by the 8 day Festival of Booths or Tabernacles. The first and last days of this festival were also sabbaths. SO one must KEEP all the Sabbaths, feast of Tabernacles reverting back to the Hebrew Calendar.

So to Keep the Sabbath was to KEEP ALL OF IT.

It's so much easiet to ENTER His Rest than trying to Keep all these days of rest that pointed to Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/12


francis //while those who do not keep the sabbath give a variety of reason not found in any scripture why they do not keep the sabbath but only nine out of the ten?

Could it just be that only 9 of the 10 commandments are commanded in the new Covenant, while the Sabbaht commandment is obviously missing, it not being of the New Covenant?
---elee7537 on 10/1/12


I must ask this simple question, which by now has become ovious to most here:

Why do the people who keep the sabbath continue to provide scripture after scripture for keeping the sabbath and all ten commandments, while those who do not keep the sabbath give a variety of reason not found in any scripture why they do not keep the sabbath but only nine out of the ten?
---francis on 10/1/12


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All you need to do is to provide one single verse in the New Testament that commands the observance of the Jewish Sabbath. You have not been able to.

There is nothing written in the holy word of God about a jewish sabbath day, so obviously because there is nothing in holy scriptures about a Jewish sabbath day there would be no single verse to command a day that does not exist!! Gods holy sabbath command was given forever, and anyone who teaches against Gods holy laws and teaches people to reject his holy sabbath day does not have a savior because the Lord Jesus is Lord of the sabbath day that was commanded forever.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/1/12


francis //If that is true (oy God rather than man), then please show me where God commanded sunday (first day) instead of sabbath ( seventh day)
---
The FACT is that God did not command the observance of any day of the week for His church.

All you need to do is to provide one single verse in the New Testament that commands the observance of the Jewish Sabbath. You have not been able to.

The Sabbath disappeared along with cirucmcision. According to Jewish rabbical tradition, one may not observe any of the Jewish holy days without first becoming circumcised.

The fact that the gospel was first presented to the Jews in their synagogues does NOT mean the church needed to obey the Sabbath.
---elee7537 on 10/1/12


Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

If that is true, then please show me where God commanded sunday ( first day) instead of sabbath ( seventh day)
---francis on 10/1/12


Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

no righteousness without law!! no obedience to law no salvation.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

the Lord stated those who obey and teach his 10 laws will be called great in Gods government.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/30/12


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francis, we all can see that you believe obedience to the Decalogue is a prerequisite to salvation or favor from God, but the Decalogue was superceded by love of neighbor.
---elee7537 on 9/29/12

Does it say in your strange bible that does not have LOVE THE LORD THEY GOD that the wages of SIN ( disobedience to the Law is DEATH?
---francis on 9/30/12


francis, we all can see that you believe obedience to the Decalogue is a prerequisite to salvation or favor from God, but the Decalogue was superceded by love of neighbor.
---elee7537 on 9/29/12

Is there any special reason why you keep forgetting LOVE THE LORD?

Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
---francis on 9/30/12


yes, francis, we all can see that you believe obedience to the Decalogue is a prerequisite to salvation or favor from God, but the Decalogue was superceded by love of neighbor.

Romans 13:9-10 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, not kill, not steal, not bear false witness, not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.Therefore love of neighbor fulfills the law.

While you are in your church hearing how bad Roman Catholics are, the rest of us will be feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting those in prison, and ministering to the sick - things that the 10 commandments do not not not command.
---elee7537 on 9/29/12


Deuteronomy 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

Deuteronomy 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image,

Deuteronomy 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain:

Deuteronomy 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it,


Deuteronomy 5:16 Honour thy father and thy mother,

Deuteronomy 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.

Deuteronomy 5:18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.

Deuteronomy 5:19 Neither shalt thou steal.

Deuteronomy 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Deuteronomy 5:21 Neither shalt thou covet

Deuteronomy 5:22 These words the LORD spake
---francis on 9/29/12


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Gordon -
The Jerusalem council did not resolve the division between Gentile & Jewish believers.

Historians tell us that many Christians in the first century observed both the Sabbath as well as met on the Lord's Day to break bread, pray and worship Jesus but by 135 AD, the Sabbath was no longer observed by Gentile churches.

Acts does indicate that Christians met for communal worship on the first day of the week.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow, and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Cor. 16:2 also is indicative of the fact that the first day of the week became the norm for the church.
---elee7537 on 9/28/12


Rod4Him - I think legalism goes far more than an observance of the Sabbath as in such groups the focus is on strict observance of the law (as they would view it).

Most Sabbaterians have a long long long listings of do's and dont's that is almost an impossibility to obey. The focus is never on Jesus but on the law.

I once had to leave a church that was highly legalistic as they tended to judge others by vrey minor or alledged infractions of the law-failure to give the full tithe, baptism is necessary for salvation, womens dress codes, failure to go to all the church meetings, emphasis on holiness, King James only, etc. etc. etc.
---elee7537 on 9/28/12


Here's an observation, it appears by many that if a person keeps the Sabbath they are legalistic, but if one keeps Sunday, they are doing what they are supposed to do.
---Rod4Him on 9/28/12


elee7537, The Church, in the Book of ACTS, were observing the 7th Day Sabbath. The Church consists of both Jewish and Gentile Believers. GOD would not inspire a group of religious men to do against HIS Will.
---Gordon on 9/27/12


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Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.


It is still that way today. The word of God is preached all over the world EVERY SABBATH DAY

And it will be that way forever:

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

So Join God's people NEXT SABBATH to worship and hear the word of God
---francis on 9/27/12


Francis //FOLLOW JESUS:
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Yes, this verse is very true as Jesus did indeed fulfill the law and the prophets.

And what does fulfill mean if not bring something to its completion?

Surely you do not mean that in following Jesus you should become Jewish and follow all the laws pertaining to Judaism including the feast days, Sabbath(s), circumcision, the dietary laws, temple worship, animal sacrifices, dedication of first born of man and animals, etc. etc. etc? If you hold that view then we should all join a messianic congregation.
---elee7537 on 9/27/12


Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

It is still that way today. Today millions of Christians gather every Sabbath to hear the word of God

And it will be that way forever:

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

So Join God's people NEXT SABBATH to worship and hear the word of God
---francis on 9/27/12


Concerning the law Christ stated:
Mt19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mt19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Christ's focus is on how we treat each other, in other words, showing love one towards another.

When he asked the scribe to interpret the law he stated:
Lu10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thyself.

Our focus should be on loving and serving God and man, not the law.
---trey on 9/27/12


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FOLLOW JESUS:
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.







DO NOT FOLLOW THE BEAST

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,.. And he shall.. think to change times and laws:
---francis on 9/27/12


francis //Apparently there was already a group of christians worshiping in that synagogue on that sabbath day.

Yes, the earliest church was composed of Jewish Christians who continue to observe temple worship, circumcision, the dietary laws, and other Mosaic laws. However when Gentiles came to believe and also received the gift of the Holy Spirit, some Jewish Christians insisted that they become circumcised and observe the Mosaic law(see Acts 15:5)

The Jerusalem council decreed Gentiles need not be circumcised or obey Mosaic law - Acts 15:19f

And that begin the separation from Judaism including Sabbath observance and other distinctly Jewish laws.
---elee7537 on 9/27/12


Francis //and the whole who wanted to hear the word of God would have come NEXT DAY, in fact if any christians were worshiping on sundays, the gentiles would have been at those sunday worships and not the sabbath worships.

Bear in mind that the early church was composed of the lower economic and societal class of people - slaves and servants whose employment entailed work on other days of the week including Sundays.

Communal worship on Sundays did not happen overnight but we see the change when Christians were no longer welcomed in the synagogues where they could not break bread or worship Jesus.
---elee7537 on 9/27/12


Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

Apparently there was already a group of christians worshiping in that synagogue on that sabbath day

They were jews and peopel who had initially converted to judism.

If there was any truth to this early church sunday nonesense, these christians would have not been in that synagogue that sabbath

and the whole who wanted to hear the word of God would have come NEXT DAY, in fact if any christians were worshiping on sundays, the gentiles would have been at those sunday worships and not the sabbath worships
---francis on 9/27/12


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Gordon//, And, the Jerusalem Council is not Almighty GOD. Did you know that?

What I know is from Scripture that the council was under the guidance of God's Spirit.

Acts 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:...

Yes, it is all to easy to see that Sabbaterians reject the decision made by the Apostles at Jerusalem. But in doing that, they have to believe the Bible is not inerrant.
---elee7537 on 9/27/12


Francis //Why do these Gentiles have t wait one whole week, why not NEXT DAY ( first day) when the Christians would have met?

It was customary to meet for communal worship and instruction on the Sabbath as the rest of the week was for working in their secular employment. Bear in mind that the early church was composed of the lower societal class people such as slaves and servants.

As the church grew, more and more Gentiles became converts to the Christian faith. They could not break bread and worship Jesus in the synagogues as the Jewish leadership rejected the message that Jesus was the promised Messiah.

And in agreement with Bacchiocchi, persecution of the Jews made it impractical to identify with Judaism.
---elee7537 on 9/27/12


Gordon //The Scriptures say that it is "better to obey GOD rather than men." That means GOD's Word overrides what anyone or any religious group tells us to do, if it goes against GOD's Word.

And God's word in the Old Covenant dispensation mandates that believers become circumcised. So you believe the Jerusalem council was in error by allowing Gentiles not to be circumcised?
---elee7537 on 9/27/12


elee7537, And, the Jerusalem Council is not Almighty GOD. Did you know that? And, if any religious person or group is teaching something that goes against GOD's plain Word, then, they are not of GOD, no matter how impressively religious and "knowledgable" they are. The Scriptures say that it is "better to obey GOD rather than men." That means GOD's Word overrides what anyone or any religious group tells us to do, if it goes against GOD's Word. The Book of ACTS shows the Church obeying the Sabbath. And, in that Church were BOTH Jewish Believers and Gentile Believers. Once we accept YAHUSHUA (JESUS) by His Blood Atonement, we are to begin to follow Him and His Commands. "If you love Me, obey My Commands." He says.
---Gordon on 9/27/12


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Francis there is nothing in Acts that supports Sabbath keeping as the gospel was first presented to the Jews who largely rejected it.

Going to the synagogues was a logical way to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.

They used the scripture found in the synagogues to prove that Jesus was the promised Messiah.

The early church met on the Lord's day to break bread and worship Jesus- something they could not do in the Jewish synagogues.

There came a time when Christians were barred from the Jewish synagogues.

So anything you think supports Sabbath keeping in Acts is unconvincing
---elee7537 on 9/27/12


Samuelbb7- church history attests to the fact that the early church met on the Lord's day for communal worship. We can easily see that from their writings. Even church historians today hold that sunday communal worship begin very early in the first century. For instance SDA church historian Bacchiocchi holds that by 135 AD the majority of Christians met on Sundays.However, he blames the Roman Emporer Hadian for the church because of persecution of the Jews. But that is unconvincing in light of the earliest church writers.

While the early church used the OT scripture, their focus was not on the law but on the prophecies concerning Jesus.
---elee7537 on 9/27/12


Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

where are the churches that are teaching the word of God EVERY SUNDAY ( first day)?

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Why do these Gentiles have t wait one whole week, why not NEXT DAY ( first day) when the christians would have met?

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day,
Where is the BIBLICAL reference to the Lord's day being the first day.

Here is the biblical reference to the Lord's day being the Sabbath:
Isaiah 58:13 the sabbath,.. my holy day,
---francis on 9/27/12


True the Early church did not command that the gentiles get circusised and become Jewish. But then as a Seventh day Adventist neither do we. What we ask people to do is remeber that all the Bible is for doctrine 2 tim 3:16 and that we are to follow JESUS.

Notice the big argument about circusion but no argument about which day to go to church? Why if they were teaching another day did not the Jewish Christians comment?
---Samuelbb7 on 9/26/12


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If you are truly a follower of Christ you would join a local group that promotes the gospel throughout the world and prays for the needs of each other.


interesting, baptist, methodist, catholic evangelical, and hundreds more are not mentioned. You malign Gods holy word to fit your denominational viewpoint then instruct people to reject Gods holy word like you so they become like your Christianity? I don't follow men who give lip service to the Lord Jesus then reject him by not honoring the Lord by keeping his day the holy sabbath day. The Apostles said they should obey God, the Lord asked why call me Lord if you do not obey? There is only one savior the Lord Jesus who is the Lord of the Sabbath?
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/26/12


Gordon//..., Yes, attend a Church if you can find one that hasn't backslidden into false doctrine ...

I started with the church my parents belonged to but upon leaving home, I went to several different churches - on a long learning curve.

While head knowledge is important, it is the ministry of the Holy Spirit to work on the heart so one can understand the Word of God and thus become discerning.

And that is why I am not a Sabbaterian as I can easily see both from the Bible and church history there is no requirement to observe any day as holy.

Sabbaterians seem to quote mostly from the OT but they fail to understand the Jerusalem council did not demand Gentiles convert to Judaism to be legit.


---elee7537 on 9/26/12


elee7537 (and FofC), Yes, attend a Church if you can find one that hasn't backslidden into false doctrine and Apostasy and sensual lusts, idolatries and worldliness. In the meantime, regard what YAHUSHUA (JESUS) says in MATTHEW 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in My Name, there Am I in the midst of them."
---Gordon on 9/26/12


FofC //I'm sorry to disappoint you I do not have a denominational view I am not a member of any Christian denomination and by the way, neither is the Lord. peace
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If you are truly a follower of Christ you would join a local group that promotes the gospel throughout the world and prays for the needs of each other.

The Lone Ranger type of Christ does not grow in the knowledge of Christ and are really out of sink with the Lord's will for us. They usually have had bad experiences with the church but become ripe for recruitment into the cults.

Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
---elee7537 on 9/26/12


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Samuelbb7 //John Wesley, Calvin and Martin Luther taught about keeping the Ten Commandments.
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Agree that we should be as moral in our behavior as we can be and to love others. That is the golden rule.

What you say about Wesley, Calvin & Luther obeyinig the 10 commandments is true, however, if you knew their writings, they really rejected the Jewish Sabbath believing that it has been replaced by the Lord's Day = Sunday.

As to the benefits of observing the Jewish Sabbath or the Christian sabbath, it is much like the difference between one dime and two nickels.

---elee7537 on 9/26/12


The Ten Commandments are about love of GOD and love of our fellow humans in action. When you love some one you do not steal, murder, misuse them sexually, lie to them or want their stuff. You also especially honor your parents. So which of these commandments would a person who loves others not do?

If we love GOD do we want to replace him with others or images? Do we want to use his name as a curse word or act in way that brings reporach on him? Do we not want to spend time with him?

John Wesley, Calvin and Martin Luther taught about keeping the Ten Commandments.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/25/12


Again FofC it is your interpretation of Scripture that is at odds with the teachers the Lord has called into that ministry.

And since your interpretation is a minority view, it is just that because it truly lacks solid exegetics of Scripture.

Exegetics = the branch of theology dealing with the study and interpretation of religious writings.

What I see in you and francis is simply a make-believe game of playing Jew but you are not doing it accordinng to the rules of the Torah.

Suggest you get yourself circumcised and find a home with those that are Messianic Jews. At least they are recognized as Jewish Christians.
---elee7537 on 9/25/12


Your major problem is that NO ONE that is knowledgeable of the Bible will agree with your interpretation.

thank you I'm not looking for people to be saddled with the reasoning of men through your supposed agreement. The error taught by mainstream Christianity is against holy scripture and I have imparted the correct meaning as it is given by Paul in the word of God. Again, no agreement necessary. The Lord Jesus does not impart understanding by reasoning and knowledge he imparts by his holy spirit and for those seeking truth to divide it by holy scripture. I'm sorry to disappoint you I do not have a denominational view I am not a member of any Christian denomination and by the way, neither is the Lord. peace
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/25/12


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The fact is that we do not see the Ten Commandments as being paramount in the Bible.

When they asked Jesus what was the most important or chief law (Mt.22:36f), He answered not from the 10 commandments but from the book of the law. Dt. 6:5, & Lev.19:18

It then makes more sense for the Adventists NOT to promote the 10 Commandments, but rather the teachings of Jesus to love our neighbors for therein is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:9-10
---elee7537 on 9/25/12


FofC //n Colossians 2:16 Paul is speaking newly converted Colossian a gentile and highly heathen people.

Your major problem is that NO ONE that is knowledgeable of the Bible will agree with your interpretation. And that is because your denominational views supercede the plain meaning of the Bible.

You can huff and puff all you want but I would be surprised if there is anyone you can convince of your interpretation on this forum. Suggest that you examine yourself to really see if you are in the faith - the faith once and for all delivered to the saints. Jude 3.
---elee7537 on 9/24/12


francis, I am a big boy and am willing to admit when I am wrong, unlike some folks on ChristiaNet.

9 out of the 10 commandments given unto Moses are Moral Laws based upon the fact that moral laws are immutable, they are a reflection of our God's nature and character, and they are based upon God's standard for righteousness.
The 4th commandment however, does not fit this definition. The 4th commandment is a Ceremonial Law.

Ceremonial Laws point to Jesus Christ and his works. For example his work of creation, sacrifice, redemption of his people, etc.

By the way, the third set of laws stated in the Old Testament scriptures are Judicial Laws.
---trey on 9/24/12


FoC//Gods holy Sabbath has never been abolished. The 7th day is holy and was established forever by God. The Lord Jesus is Lord of the sabbath.

True while the Jewish Sabbath like physical circumcision never was abolished for Jewish Christians, neither was mandated for Gentile believers. Both history and the Scripture attest to that fact,

Anyone can see there is no command in the NT for the Sabhath as it found it fulfillment in Christ.

The law was only a guardian until we could be justifed by faith. Galatians 3:24f

"But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,..." verse 25
---elee7537 on 9/24/12


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The Sabbath day that the Ten Commandments was pointing to is the believer's (the Christian) rest in Jesus Christ. It's no more the 7th day as in the OT. The physical was pointing to the spiritual.

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30

"For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." Matthew 12:8
---christan on 9/24/12


Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.

In Colossians 2:16 Paul is speaking newly converted Colossian a gentile and highly heathen people. Paul was saying to the new brethren let no man (nonconverted Colossians) judge you in regard to the festivals (the yearly Sabbaths) or a sabbath day (weekly sabbaths). Because the new converts were now keeping these days they were different than the people around them and Paul was reminding them to not let anyone judge them in their new faith.

Gods holy Sabbath has never been abolished. The 7th day is holy and was established forever by God. The Lord Jesus is Lord of the sabbath.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/24/12


Upon further consideration concerning my previous statements I would like to retract one sentence. I believe 6 of the 10 commandments are moral laws, and 4 of the 10 are laws of worship. Other than that, I still hold fast to my previous statements.
---trey on 9/24/12


The Law has not been done away with. Jesus answered this question Himself

However, thru Jesus and the Apostles we have a new understanding of the Law and consequently God the Father. We learned that we can sin in our thoughts and intentions. We learned that for Christians, the penalty of the Law has been fulfilled by Jesus death. And we learned that the Sabbath is made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore, if we remember it, rest during it, and keep it holy, the Sabbath can be any day we wish it to be since it was made for us, not us for it.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/24/12


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Ignore? To ignore the Ten Commandments is to call God a liar and that we do not believe that we have sinned against a Holy God, and more importantly to acknowledge that we a sinners.

It is only through the Ten Commandments (aka the law) that the sinner is convicted of his sins. For the Scripture declares, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20

It is only by the law does a Christian acknowledges that his salvation is purely 100% by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ. Nothing more or less.
---christan on 9/24/12


---trey on 9/24/12
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.

Are you suggesting that we have no moral obligation to our creater?

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

And how exactly did jesus fulfill a law which requires us to worship and acknowledge him as the creater and yet asks us to worship him as creater?
Revelation 14:7 and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters
---francis on 9/24/12


The 10 commandments was the Old Covenant made at Mt. Sinai.

De 4:13 And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, I.e., the 10 Commandments, and he wrote them on 2 tablets of stone.

Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the 1st one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The Old Covenant became obsolete and was fulfilled in the ministry of Christ. Mt. 5:17

In the New Covenant, love of ones neighbor fulfills the law.

Romans 13:9-10 The commandments... are summed up... You shall love your neighbor as yourself. therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
---elee7537 on 9/24/12


Jerry, Nine of the ten are moral laws. One of the ten, the 4th concerning the Sabbath, is not a moral law, but is a legal commandment. Christ fullfilled the law. We are no longer under this law, but under grace. As christians we now worship on the Lord's Day, which is the first day.

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.


---trey on 9/24/12


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The word "precepts" refers to CONcepts that need to be accepted as true BEFORE another idea can be believed as true. The "precepts of men" are carnal, the precepts of God are not.

Psalm 19:8 "the precepts of the LORD are right". Psalm 119:69 "The godless besmear me with lies"....."teaching as doctrines the precepts OF MEN" (Matthew 15:9, Colossians 2:22). All of the "lies" that have been taught about God are INSIDIOUS (a lie within a lie within another lie, etc......"precept upon precept").

The word is a generic word and makes no reference to it's use. The final reference can be either 'positive' or 'negative'.

GODLY precepts GOOD....UNGODLY precepts BAD.
---more_excellent_way on 9/24/12


Circumcision was a shadow of the putting off of the flesh, and a heart that is circumcised by God Himself [Col 2:11].

It is a figure as well as a religious rite.

The precepts are carnal, fleshly, soilish. They are impossible to keep.

That is the point God was making, that apart from His Spirit indwelling and guiding a person, service to Him is impossible.

The law came in to INCREASE the degree of offensiveness of sin.

Israel is His demonstration of the law's potency and it's inadequacy to keep alive those under it.
---Phil on 9/23/12


SANCTIFIED DEVOTION (called "circumcision" 2,000 years ago) is done by keeping the PRECEPTS of the law (peace, truth), not the law itself.

"real circumcision is a matter of the heart, spiritual and not literal".

"keeps the PRECEPTS of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?".

Do you want "UNDERSTANDING"?.

Psalm 119:100 "I understand more than the aged, for I keep thy precepts".

Do you want "LIFE" eternal? Psalm 119:40 "thy precepts, in thy righteousness give me life!".

Psalm 119:134 "Redeem me from man's oppression, that I may keep thy precepts".

Have "living water" in your HEART.
---more_excellent_way on 9/23/12


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