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Obama Calls Koran Holy

President Obama has called the Koran "holy". Is that proper for a Christian?

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Trish: "I accept any source, except Fox."

And why is that, Trish? Because Obama ordered you not to listen to Fox, and you must obey Dear Leader? I'll bet he accepts any religious book, except the Bible.



---jerry6593 on 9/29/12


Jed: You are the one making the accusations. Why should I believe you if you aren't willing to tell me the news source? Why should I prove you right? You want me to believe you, you tell me what news source, and the dates etc. You're the accuser. Where's your evidence?
---Trish on 9/29/12


King David, no mean politician himself, said, "Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men, in whom is NO salvation."

I think this applies to the upcoming, if not all, elections.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/12


Trish, of course anything but Fox. Every other "news" channel are nothing but Obama campaigners. So basically you're saying you'll only accept information from the leftist liberal media. Of course. Anyways, these speaches and comments from Obama that I have posted were broadcast on several networks (including the lame stream Obama networks) live. Most of them have even been archived on a wonderful little video site called youtube. Perhaps you should learn how to search the internet and youtube and you can find the videos and reports for yourself. I'm not going to waste precious space listing every single network and newpaper that has ever aired these videos and reports. You are lazy by choice you don't want to find the truth.
---Jed on 9/28/12


fox news is the only one I've seen that is more fair and balanced than any other. after all, it was rated no 1 and the other main network news is pro obama. if you want to hear the truth watch fox news. one thing they do that I hate is driving the same ol thing in the ground. I turn the channel when they start that. I love hannity but he does the same nail driving all the time.
---shira4368 on 9/28/12




Jed: I said anything but Fox. Preferably with direct quotes IN CONTEXT.
---Trish on 9/28/12


Trish, what news sources are there to cite? NBC? MSNBC? CNN? I'm sure those are the only "news" sources you would find credible. Those are a joke. There is no such thing as a "news source" in America anymore. Surely you will not hear of most of these things from the lame stream media. They are all nothing but Obama campaigners. They, like you, just try to put a positive spin on anything Obama does to try to normalize his actions again Christian Americans. Shame on you. You have no interest in hearing the truth. You only have interest in seeing if what I said lines up with what the lame stream media says about Obama.
---Jed on 9/28/12


Follower: I never claimed my news sources were the only ones. When Jed cited an interview Obama did with a specific reporter in 2004, I found the transcript and used his exact words. I accept any source, except Fox. I prefer direct quotes. What Jed is posting is his rendition of what he got out of an article, and even as a classroom teacher, I insisted that my students cite their sources.

I spend far more time on spiritual matters than you know.
---Trish on 9/28/12


Cite your sources. You answer to God for your lies.

has anyone else noticed that Trish's supposed sources are all the correct ones and everyone else's are all lies??? and across multiple topics everyone is a liar who will answer to God and she is the only truth-sayer?? I've also noticed she spends (per her own posts) researching all things government (possibly hours daily). Peculiar true government worshipers preaching tolerance have Christianity as their front. poor women doesn't understand she fights and defends government at all costs, how else could everyone be a liar and she is the only one with government truth?? Interesting to note by defending all things government impossiblity to also defend all things Christianity.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/28/12


Jed: I am not offended in the least by your litany of Obama offenses. I have repeatedly asked you to cite news sources where these incidents were reported, so that I can examine them and learn from an objective source the facts of what you say. Show me the news sources, and then we can discuss what happened.

I have not defended Obama. I have shared what I have learned from news sources.

It is not party before faith with me. My faith is why I have chosen my party. My faith is why I have done anything with my life since 1974.
---Trish on 9/28/12




Once again it's party before faith for Trish. How many specific examples have I just given of Obama's hostility toward Christians and preferentialism toward Muslims? And yet, instead of standing up for Jesus and Christians, she defends Obama's actions and tries to minimalize his attacks as something completely normal and understandable. They are not. This is not normal, understandable, or acceptable behavior for someone who claims to be a christian, and neither is defending these actions. The thing that comes first in your life is your God. Trish gets more offended when something bad is said about Obama than about Jesus.
---Jed on 9/28/12


Trish: Wake up! You are a member of the Obama Worship Cult. He is no Christian and it is highly doubtful that he is even an American.

You think that the Muslim problem is confined to a few bad apples. It is not! ALL Muslims consider the Koran as holy and accurate. This book COMMANDS that they KILL anyone who refuses to adopt their barbaric religion. Is that OK with you? Is the making of women into mere property and requiring them to wear bags over their heads OK with you? I thought you liberals were all for women's rights. Why don't you speak out against Muslim opression of women?



---jerry6593 on 9/28/12


As a Christian, it offends me that an American president would demean the Bible by denegrating those of us who "cling to our Bibles and our guns" while refering to the Muslim book as the "holy Koran". It should offend EVERY Christian.


---jerry6593 on 9/28/12


May 2009- Obama unprecidentedly declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House.

April 2009- In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican, of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three.

October 19, 2010- Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about the Creator when quoting the Declaration of Independence an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions.

May 2009 Obama officials assemble a terrorism dictionary calling pro-life advocates violent and charging that they use racism in their "criminal" activities. But they condemn the use of the term "Islamic terrorists".
---Jed on 9/27/12


\\Where did the military burn Qur'ans? \\

Actually there were two burned in Afghanistan.

They were confiscated from prisoners who doodled all in them, sending forbidden notes to each other.

However, it was not known at the time they were Corans.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/12


I was talking about diplomacy with our own citizens and government employees.

The Islamic study center in Manhattan already existed close to the site of the WTC

Where did the military burn Qur'ans? The only Qur'an burning I know of was done by that nutcase in Florida, which led to an attack on our men by extremists. As for the military burning Bibles, that was not Obama's decision. That was a decision made by the Pentagon regarding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I remember read an article about it, and understanding the reason.

Cite your sources. You answer to God for your lies.

---Trish on 9/27/12


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April 2009- When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name be covered when he is making his speech.

January 2011- After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court.

November 2011- Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelts famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial.

November 2011- Unlike previous presidents, Obama avoids any religious references in Thanksgiving speech.
---Jed on 9/27/12


there is no such thing as diplomacy with the middle east. surely God will take His hand off us if we abandon israel. muslim are serious in what their agenda is and we should stand up to them...america and obama are a laughing stock to the muslims.... obama is one of them no doubt in my mind. we need to take back AMERICA in november.
---shira4368 on 9/27/12


Diplomacy???

April 2008- Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they cling to guns or religion and have an antipathy to people who aren't like them.

August 2010- Obama went to great lengths to speak out on multiple occasions on behalf of building an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero, while at the same time he was silent about a Christian church being denied permission to rebuild at that location, even though that church was already there prior to 9/11.

February 2012- The Obama administration makes effulgent apologies for Korans being burned by the U. S. military, but when Bibles were burned by the military, numerous reasons were offered why it was the right thing to do.
---Jed on 9/27/12


Jed: Have you ever heard of the word "Diplomacy?" I see all of those things as efforts to keep peace, as well as support the First Amendment.

It is rude and ignorant to presume, or assume that every single Muslim is an extremist who wants to participate in jihad against the United States. Using those words in the documents are offensive to regular Muslims, and we have at least one working in the State Department. We don't know how many more are working in our government. That is just plain courtesy so as not to offend employees of the Administration.

Again, give some evidence for your accusations. Cite a news source, other than Fox.
---Trish on 9/27/12


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Jerry: Are you saying Jesus was wrong for hanging around the prostitutes, tax collectors, and other lowlifes of society? I thought we were supposed to follow His example.

By the way, I taught with many, many believers who were politically liberal because we worked in the one of the poorest neighborhoods in the poorest city in Pennsylvania.

. Dealing with children living in poverty for twenty years, we see things differently. It does not make you right or me wrong. It makes us different.
---Trish on 9/27/12


May 2009- While Obama does not host any National Day of Prayer event at the White House, he does host White House Iftar dinners in honor of Ramadan.

April 2010- Christian leader Franklin Graham is disinvited from the Pentagons National Day of Prayer Event because of complaints from the Muslim community.

April 2010- The Obama administration requires rewriting of government documents and a change in administration vocabulary to remove terms that are deemed offensive to Muslims, including jihad, jihadists, terrorists, radical Islamic, etc.

August 2010- Obama speaks with great praise of Islam and condescendingly of Christianity.
---Jed on 9/27/12


Jed: when you give me proof he said it, I'll believe you.

You still haven't answered where are you salt and light?

Jerry: I have a slew of Christian friends. There is nothing wrong with my friends. My Christian friends and I spend more time together than I spend with unbelievers.
---Trish on 9/27/12


I do not identify myself with Muslims spiritually... I just view them as human beings who need Christ just like you and I do. --Trish

Well if you really believe that then you should stop trying to defend Obama because he does not share your belief that Muslims need Christ. He believes there are "many paths" to heaven and that Christians and Muslims worship the same God (and yes, call me a liar all you want, he did say that. It's a well known statment from him). Also, when asked directly if he believes Jesus is the only way, he answered "Jesus is the only way FOR ME".

You really want to deny the fact that Obama is preferential to Islam and hostile toward people of Biblical faith.
---Jed on 9/27/12


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Jerry to answer your question, that is proper for Obama.....
---Elder on 9/27/12


Trish: They say that you are known by the company you keep.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Evangelism is fine, even commanded by Jesus, but they have influenced you with their godless, left wing philosophy.



---jerry6593 on 9/27/12


Jed: I read the entire transcript, and it is just not in there.

As for the Holy Huddle, it explains your myopic view of the world. If the only unbelievers you have met are your clients, then I feel sorry for you. What about your coworkers? Do you work for a Christian agency?

There is, and has been, nothing wrong with my life, and my daily contact with unbelievers. I was the only believer in my family of origin for about 15 years. My mother and sister are still not believers. My education and career have been in public schools.

Where are you Salt and Light?
---Trish on 9/26/12


You obviously live in a Christian Holy Huddle, where your life does not allow you to interact with anyone but people who believe in God the way you do.
---Trish on 9/26/12

Trish, what a compliment. Yes, I try to surround myself with other folks who love the Lord and share a likeminded faith, rather than mingle with people who have no interest in serving Christ and will only serve as distraction to my walk with Christ.

Also, in the same interview with Cathleen Falsani in 2004 that I already mentioned, Obama said "All people of faithChristians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone knows the same God." That is a direct quote from the interview.
---Jed on 9/26/12


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Jed: You haven't proven Obama said Muslims and Christians worship the same God. As for demonstrating a prayer, he obviously wan't praying it. He was translating it. As for it being a beautiful sound, I think a lot of prayers and songs are sadly beautiful, because they sound musically pretty, but deceive those who sing/pray them.

You did bear false witness in saying Obama is a Muslim, and that I identify with them spiritually.

You obviously live in a Christian Holy Huddle, where your life does not allow you to interact with anyone but people who believe in God the way you do, with the exception of the clients you see at work, whom you look down on.
---Trish on 9/26/12


wow jed, thanks for your comments. bro you are right on target. there is one God and one way to heaven. Jesus is the door way to heaven. straight and narrow...and nothing else will get us there. it is a shame so many will be left behind.
---shira4368 on 9/26/12


\\and view them as human beings who need Christ just like you and I do.\\

Well put, Trish.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/12


Trish, I'm not bearing false witness. I'm just going off what Obama said and your defense of him. I know as a Christian, I would never call Muslim prayers "one of the most beautiful sounds on earth". I also would never recite prayers that praise Allah and declare that he is the most high God and that Mohammad is his prophet. I can't see how any Christian would recite such a prayer, even just in demonstration. I can't see how any Christian would claim to worship the same god as Muslims. I can't see how any Christian would want to equate christianity to islam simply because they both believe in a "higher power". But that's just my convictions as a Christian. I guess you and Obama have no problem with it.
---Jed on 9/26/12


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Jed: Talk about bearing false witness against the president and me. I do not identify myself with Muslims spiritually. I just happen to have known many throughout my inner city teaching career, and view them as human beings who need Christ just like you and I do. Also, knowing a family that serves the Lord among Arab Muslims every single day, I have been able to view them more realistically than you obviously have.

I suggest you read the transcript of Obama's interview with that reporter in 2004. He shares his profession of faith in Christ.

He is no more a Muslim than I am a Catholic.
---Trish on 9/25/12


Trish, hmmm let me think. Would I rather have a Mormon or a Muslim? Are you serious?
---Jed on 9/25/12


Your myopic view of Muslims is an embarrassment to Christian love.

whose Christian love?? Are you the Lord??? Interesting, new-age Christianity you hold. It would be your myopic view of Christianity that is an embarrassment to Christians who follow the Lord. You profess a hollow Christian love. The Lord stated you do not call evil good yet you do, he also stated he did not come to send peace but a sword. The Lord did not preach tolerance, you should get your nose out of politics and worshiping the government and back into Gods holy word instead of casually tossing around the word love and Christianity in the same sentence without understanding the context of love, or tolerance from a biblical perspective.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/25/12


Trish, you only fool yourself. Sorry to hear that you, like Obama, want to identify with Muslims and "be connected spiritually" with Muslims.
---Jed on 9/25/12


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Jed: The social values taught by traditional Islam differ totally from the extremists who do the acts of terrorism in the world.

When I taught world religions in a 7th grade Social Studies class, I saw the similarities concerning social values in all of the world religions. Even the Code of Hammurabi teaches right from wrong in a social context.

Your myopic view of Muslims is an embarrassment to Christian love.

As for the part where he says everyone worships the same God, that was not in the interview I read. I'll have to research that quote and find the context of that one too.

How are you going to handle it if a Mormon is president? I saw you avoided answering that one.
---Trish on 9/25/12


Jed: I just reread the entire transcript of Obama's interview with Cathleen Falsani in 2004. Nowhere does he say that statement about everyone worships the same God. Another lie.
---Trish on 9/25/12


Trish thats ok I knew you didn't catch what I was saying,all is well.Loveya
---Darlene_1 on 9/25/12


Gordon, that's because is he NOT 100% against abortion, neither is Romney, neither is the majority of people in this country and neither am I.

And FYI, Obama doesnt "pass" bills, he signs bills, making them laws. He signed an executive order reversing the "Mexico City Policy" Reagan signed in 1984.

As far as "agenda" hidden in the ACA, sorry, you're wrong. Of course, if you can prove me wrong I will apologize.


---NurseRobert on 9/25/12


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I certainly do not think it is proper to call the Koran holy and not to call anything holy except God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Of course, this includes not using words and expressions like "holiday (holy day)", the Holy Land, the Holy City, "holy cow", "holy moley", etc., etc., etc.

As we can see, even though if may be proper not to use the word holy, it is nearly unavoidable in our current culture.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/25/12


Trish, unbelievable. Thank you for posting the entire quote (except when you left out the part where he said everyone worships the same God). It actually makes him sound much worse. A shared set of social values that transends all cultures and beliefs? Really? You think Christians should share the same values as Muslims? You've got to be kidding! No true Christian would ever talk about sharing beliefs and values with extreme Islamists. No true Christian would acknowledge any connection to them. Christianity is more than a "belief in a higher power". Believing in a higher power hardly makes you a christian and it hardly makes christians and muslims connected.
---Jed on 9/25/12


Jed: So what? I think the "Ave Maria" is a beautiful song, and I still know all the words to the "Hail Mary." Being raised Catholic, I had to learn that prayer in 1st Grade in Catholic school. Thinking something is beautiful, and knowing the words doesn't mean you believe it.

Besides, you really think Romney boy is going to honor Jesus Christ in the White House? Really?
---Trish on 9/25/12


Nurse Robert, None of that quoting from Obama comes right out and states that he is "100% against Abortion". Obama is the one who passed the Mexico City Bill in 2009 that allows anyone across the Globe to get an Abortion at the expense of the American tax-payers. The Abortion is the "hidden" agenda within Obamacare. He does N-O-T-H-I-N-G to fight against Abortion, which, in turn, speaks the LOUDEST on what he thinks about Abortion. His special wording for campaign re-election does not cloak what is really going on. I'm not supporting Romney neither.
---Gordon on 9/25/12


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In a New York Times interview in 2007, entitled "Obama, A man of the World", Obama fondly recalled the Islamic evening call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

According to the article, "Obama went on to recite its opening lines with a perfect Arabic accent: "Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that Muhammad is his prophet!" The article said this would "give any one living Alabama a heart attack."
---Jed on 9/24/12


CONTEXT: "So, Im rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and theres an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."

Heaven is not what he is discussing here. He is talking about developing a set of shared social values.
---Trish on 9/24/12


Gordon:


Obama: "I am committed to protecting this constitutional right. I also remain committed to policies, initiatives, and programs that help prevent unintended pregnancies, support pregnant women and mothers, encourage healthy relationships, and promote adoption."

Rhomney: "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law, and the right of a woman to make that choice."
---NurseRobert on 9/24/12


Trish, In a 2004 interview with Cathleen Falsani, Obama said, "I believe that there are many paths to the same place". Obama also said, "All people of faith-Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone knows the same God". At a meeting of evangelical leaders in 2008, Obama was asked whether he believed Jesus was the only way to salvation. Obama replied, "Jesus is the only way for me." In a 2008 speech Obama distinguished himself from those who believe in the authority of the Bible. Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. Obama went on to twist selective scriptures to use the golden rule to justify non-Biblical same-sex relations.
---Jed on 9/24/12


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Shira: I just did a search of all of the bills and acts of Congress on the Thomas website. No bill or act has the word 'dhimmitude."

Christians need to stop spreading lies. There are so many unreliable sources for information out there, and I'm afraid that believers are just listening to the liars in order to justify hating, or spreading lies about elected officials.
---Trish on 9/24/12


Cathleen Falsani interview with Barack Obama when he was running for US Senate. March 27, 2004. Published in Christianity Today.November 11, 2008.

"So, I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."
---KarenD on 9/24/12


Darlene, I'm sorry. I misunderstood what you were saying. Hugs.
---Trish on 9/24/12


dhimmitude. It is used in obama care. ---shira4368 on 9/24/12

oh really? where is it used? Do you understand what the word means? If so, please explain how its used under the Affordable Health Care Act.
---NurseRobert on 9/24/12


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Jed: You're making up lies about me. I did not deny Obama said those things. I asked you if you heard him say those things, or if you heard someone report that they heard him say those things. I'm not defending him, I'm asking you to clarify your statement. If you don't want to clarify it, I don't want to hear about it.

So many news organizations and ultra conservative Christians take things out of context, and twist someone's words. Jed just did it to me. That is why I have trouble believing Jed.
---Trish on 9/24/12


I don't think you will agree but everything about obama points to islam. he has a foundation in muslim beliefs. please research the word dhimmitude. It is used in obama care. I have a friend from egypt who is a christian and he informed me of that. he has been threatened by muslims even tho he is a citizen and living in new york. he has a lot of in depth information about islam.
---shira4368 on 9/24/12


Trish sorry but you're mistaken,look again,I didn't say Obama was a Muslim. In fact I was,in a way,taking up for Obama. Maybe I didn't make myself clear but I meant his early training had caused him to have more regard for what Muslims consider holy than a Christian would. No matter how much we change from our childhood teachings all that information is still with us even if we don't practice it. I went to an Old type Pentecostal Church where "clothes line" teaching said don't wear pants,etc,but I don't follow that either. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 9/24/12


Trish, A true Believer and Follower of GOD does not condone the slaughtering, butchering and dismembering of unborn human babies. What is Obama's stance on Abortion again?
---Gordon on 9/24/12


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Liberals are certainly not interested in the truth. This is the perfect example. I have just given Trish two quotes from Obama that no true Christian would say. And what does she do? Rather than stand by her faith and admit that he can't be a Christian if he really believes that, no, she turns a blind eye and tries to say he did not really say those things. Her president and party is more important to her than her faith and the truth.
---Jed on 9/24/12


Jerry, you have no idea what political liberals are interested in. What we aren't interested in is rumors and twisting facts, which is what a lot of the so called believers are great at spreading here.
---Trish on 9/24/12


Trish: If you would like to know the truth, you could do a little research for yourself. Google the words Obama and Muslim and you can find video clips of these things coming out of his own mouth. But then again, political liberals aren't interested in the truth.


---jerry6593 on 9/24/12


Jed: Did you hear those words come out of his mouth? Or, did you hear a report from Rush or Fox saying, "Some people say that Obama believes...?"
---Trish on 9/23/12


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Trish, Obama has also said that there are "many paths to heaven" and that "everyone, Christians, Muslims, Budhists, we all worship the same God". Obama has also on many occasions made fun of people who believe in the inerrency of the Bible. A true Christian would not do any of these things.
---Jed on 9/23/12


Darlene, sorry to disagree with your logic. I was raised by Catholic parents and attended Catholic school. Does that automatically make me a Catholic today? No. I left the Catholic church at age 17. Same for Obama. Just because his stepfather was Muslim, and he attended their school for a few years doesn't automatically make him a Muslim. He has never professed the prophet Mohameded as his prophet. Not has he referred to God as Allah. I heard his testimony on two different occasions, where he said Jesus Christ is his Savior.

People can make up lies by taking snippets of things he says totally out of context, and then spread those lies to smear anyone.

I am not a Catholic. He is not a Muslim.
---Trish on 9/23/12


Stop pointing fingers at the president for three minutes, and look to yourself:

Take the name Mahatma Gandhi.
Mahatma is not Ghandi's first name: the best english translation would be saint.

How many of you christians think that Gandhi is a saint?
---francis on 9/23/12


Jerry, I wouldn't expect a Christian to call the Koran holy any more than I would expect a Muslim to call a Bible holy. But you can't expect Muslims to do things that are proper for Christians, and vice-versa. Obama and his people consider the Koran holy in the same way that Christians consider the Bible to be holy. So to Obama, the Koran is holy. But us Christians know that the Bible is God's Holy Word.
---Jed on 9/23/12


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Remember for several years Obama was raised by a Muslim stepfather in a Muslim country,and in a Muslim school there. I think it is only natural that his view of things pertaining to the Muslim religion would be viewed through the eyes of his stepfather,Muslim friends,and the Muslim school who contributed to his early training. I can't blame him for that,but I'm not for Obama,his laws already are hurting Medicare and what they pay for in general and has resulted in my mother being hurt by his changes and many other elderly and veterans in this country. All I wish is that Obama would give the elderly and veterans of this country as much respect and consideration as he does the Muslims for elderly and veterans built this Nation.
---Darlene_1 on 9/23/12


I have heard the president profess his faith in Jesus Christ multiple times on the news.

As for calling a Qur'an holy, I use it in the context of referring to it as the Muslim's holy book. If I knew what Satanist's called their holy book, I would do likewise. I am not saying it is my holy book at all. It is their holy book.

It all goes back to context people.
---Trish on 9/23/12


who ever decided he is a Christian?
---chip on 9/23/12


Jerry6593, For a Christian to call the Koran "holy" is not right. But, Obama is not a Christian. Not a TRUE Christian. So, he can call the Koran anything he wants.
---Gordon on 9/23/12


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I disagree vehemently that any Christian should use the word "holY" to refer to the Koran or any other false book written by man. As far as Obama, I don't consider him to be a Christian at all.
---KarenD on 9/23/12


It is amusing how the mere mention of anything negative about your "dear leader" draws out his cult members.

interesting, well then maybe your question needs tweaking. Are you asking if it is proper for a Christian to call a Koran holy? Or if it is proper that Obama call it holy? Obama is not a Christian so he could call the Koran as being holy, so it would be irrelevant to ask if it was proper for Obama to call it holy, however I do not believe he was calling the Koran holy for the Christian world, correct??? Would I personally call it holy? No because it is not holy, however I would not disrespect my muslim friends beliefs in koran being holy no more than they would disrespect me in the bible being holy.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/23/12


Trish: Would you also call the Satanic Bible holy? Out of respect, of course.

It is amusing how the mere mention of anything negative about your "dear leader" draws out his cult members.



---jerry6593 on 9/23/12


Definitely a gagging on gnats issue. Each different religion has its own holy book(s). It is appropriate for anyone referring to a religion's holy book as holy. We have the Bible. Jews have the Tanakh and the Talmud. The Hindus have the Bagadhavita. The Buddhists have the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path, which are more teachings than a book. The Muslins have the Qur'an.

To call someone else's religious text holy does not mean you believe it is holy. It is an acknowledgement to the people of the faith that their specific text is holy to them. It's simply a sign of respect, even if you vehemently disagree with their teachings.
---Trish on 9/22/12


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did he call it holy for Christians or did he reference it as a holy source for the people who hold it holy. I know muslims and when they celebrate their holy days I ask them how were their holy days. I don't call their holy days something different because I don't hold those days holy also.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/22/12


What is your source?

There are people who call the Bible the "Holy Bible", and they don't come close to thinking it is holy. It is just a name, for them. So, what did he mean by calling it "holy"? I agree I would not call it that, myself, but how he meant that is what he can speak for himself about that. How has he represented himself?

In the United States a person has the right to a fair chance to speak for himself if he is accused of something. Not all people mean the same thing when they do what looks the same.

Even if he has called the Qur'an "holy" . . . I have not heard him say a whole lot that shows he's very interested in Islam. How many times does he pray to Mecca, each day?
---willie_c: on 9/22/12


---jerry6593 on 9/22/12

Yes it is. A certain amount of diplomacy must be maintained when dealing with others.

Take the name Mahatma Gandhi.
Mahatma is not Ghandi's first name: the best english translation would be saint.

Take Minister Louis Farrakhan for example, he refers to all clergy by their preferred title although he may not agree with their theology

Biblical example:
2 Kings 5:18 In this thing the LORD pardon thy servant, that when my master goeth into the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he leaneth on my hand, and I bow myself in the house of Rimmon: when I bow down myself in the house of Rimmon, the LORD pardon thy servant in this thing.
---francis on 9/22/12


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