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I recently read where one of the bloggers stated that her church was the "True Church". Do you believe that you are in the true church and if you do why do you believe your church is the "True Church"?

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Luke 22:20
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


Like All HYPER's, meaning: HYPER calvinists and HYPER dispensationalists, they want to chop in to tiny little pieces, this and that, and say this tiny little piece means this, and that tiny little piece means that., pretending to be so knowledgable. What it all is is GNOSTICISM.

There is no such doctrine separating the "Shedding of Blood" and the "Blood" itself as two different things.

And John MacArthur has it wrong himself, of which his false doctrine on the Blood of Jesus has been exposed and rebuked. MarkV just repeated John MacArthur.
---kathr4453 on 10/12/12


The Church in the Wilderness is referenced by Stephen in Acts 7:38. It refers to the nation Israel following Moses to the Promised Land.

The Church in the Temple is referred to in Acts 2:44-47. This church which was added to at Pentecost was formed by Christ himself

The Church, the Body of Christ is referred to by Paul in Col 1:24. This church began with Jesus saving Paul by his grace out of due time (1 Cor 15:8). The message of this group is said to be a mystery and kept secret before. It includes Jews and Gentiles together but not under a law system. Their conversation is in heavenly places.
---michael_e on 10/12/12


FACT:Leviticus 17:11
For the "life of the flesh is in the blood": and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is "the blood" that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Our Conscience is purged by the Blood of Jesus. Hebrews 9:14
It's the cleansing blood-1 John 1:7
The blood that frees us from our sins- Rev 1:5.
The blood which "bought us"- Acts 20:28,

The "redeeming" blood -Ephesians 1:7 and Col 1:14.1st Peter 1:17-19
The "justifying" blood - Romans 5:9
The "peacemaking" blood - Colossians 1:20.
Christ's blood makes us holy - Hebrews 13:12
The blood of the eternal covenant - Hebrews 13:20
---kathr4453 on 10/12/12


The shedding of blood" not the blood itself, means someone or something has to die. In the Old Testament it was animals, in the New T. it was the death of Christ. That is for the saving of the soul. "The blood itself" is for the forgiveness of sins.
You have no clue what limited Atonement means.
---Mark_V. on 10/12/12


NO MarkV the heretic and spiritually ignorant and sick person, this is what GOD said...
Leviticus 17:11
For the "life of the flesh is in the blood": and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is "the blood" that maketh an atonement for the soul.
---kathr4453 on 10/12/12


Limited Atonement, the atonement is limited in that it is limited only those who exercise true faith in the works of Christ. It does not atone the sins of those who do not believe. If it did, all would be saved, and as we know already, not all will be saved. Christ redeeming work was intended to save the "Elect" only and actually secured salvation for them. His death (Jesus) was a substitutionary endurance of the penalty of sin in the place of certain specified sinners. The gift of faith is infallibly applied by the Spirit to all for whom Christ died, thereby guaranteeing their salvation. So it is limited. If there was no limit, all would be saved.
---Mark_V. on 10/12/12




Paul tells us what the Mystery is:Colossians 1:24-27 says it's "CHRIST IN YOU".

The Dispensation of GRACE is "Christ in you". No other time in History was salvation by our identification WITH Jesus in death and resurrection life, because Jesus had not died and rose again.

The Blood was not a Mystery, that Gentiles would be saved was not a mystery...but the mystical UNION with Christ through our Identification with Christ in death and Resurrection life is that Mystery, making us partakers of His Divine Nature, being Conformed to His Image through the fellowship of His Sufferings offered to both Jew and Gentile. Paul tells us this "GRACE is" I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST" in Gal 2:20-21 and Romans 6
---kathr4453 on 10/12/12


Kathr, I heard someone say to you, "You are ignorant not stupid" and I said, "you are spiritually sick." You are a sick person, who intentionaly distort what others say. And you don't even care if what you distort is the Truth or not. Because you wake up with the same venom in your mouth every morning.

The shedding of blood" not the blood itself, means someone or something has to die. In the Old Testament it was animals, in the New T. it was the death of Christ. That is for the saving of the soul. "The blood itself" is for the forgiveness of sins.
You have no clue what limited Atonement means.
---Mark_V. on 10/12/12


What Markv the heretic just stated is the true definition of LIMITED ATONEMENT.

Hebrews 10:1
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.


Jesus came to fulfill the Law. Jesus sacrifice of Himself was that fulfillment of the shadow of good things to come.


Since God is eternal His plan of salvation is also ETERNAL....therefore Jesus forgave sin based upon the Sovereign "PLAN" of God from teh foundation of teh world!
Revelation 13:8
--- of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
---kathr4453 on 10/11/12


Col.1:20: And by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, ---.


Col. 1:14: In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

Eph. 1:7: In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.

Heb. 10:19-20 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh.

Revelation 1:5...To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood.
---kathr4453 on 10/11/12


(Ex. 19:10: Lev. 15:5: Num. 16:46,47: 31:21-24). The blood made atonement for the soul (Lev. 17:11). Because shedding of blood referes to death (Matt. 26:28). Jesus very much forgave sins while in His earthly ministry, because the blood made atonement for the soul.
---Mark_V. on 10/11/12


MarkV, I would expect nothing less from a heretic like yourself, who wants us to believe that the blood of an animal can make an atonement for anyone's soul.

Yikes!
---kathr4453 on 10/11/12




//Paul said so himself. HE understands covenants, just as the Lord taught him//
Of course he understood covenants, ane he knew the BoC wasn't under any.

TRY READING AGAAIN
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a NEw covenant with(WHO, THE BODY OF CHRIST?? NO ) the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Hebrews 8:8, quoting Jeremiah 31:3
---michael_e on 10/11/12


Ephesians 1:9-11
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of "the fulness of times" he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:


And Miichael_e..GOD's WILL is also known within His COVENANTS.

Psalm 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him, and he will shew them his covenant.
---kathr4453 on 10/11/12


Logically, anyone who does not think that he is in the "true church" should leave and try another church. Find a church whose doctrines align with the Holy Scriptures - not one that teaches the "commandments of men".



---jerry6593 on 10/11/12


Phil, your passages were great. francis answered you with (Heb. 9:22) that passage was not talking about Jesus blood but the sacrifice of blood sprinkled in the earthly sanctuary. The passage says,
"And according to the law"almost" all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission" The reason "almost" is in there is because there were exceptions. Water, incense, and fire were also used to purify (Ex. 19:10: Lev. 15:5: Num. 16:46,47: 31:21-24). The blood made atonement for the soul (Lev. 17:11). Because shedding of blood referes to death (Matt. 26:28). Jesus very much forgave sins while in His earthly ministry, because the blood made atonement for the soul.
---Mark_V. on 10/11/12


Is that your final answer? You made a false statement. Now what is your next move? Avoiding the fact that Paul along with all the apostles are able ministers of the NEW TESTAMENT?

Paul said so himself. HE understands covenants, just as the Lord taught him. And a goood stuard of those promises all wrapped up in the Covenants of promise.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/12


//So michael_e is calling Paul stupid and michae_e says he knows more than Paul.//
Wrong again Kath, I wouldn't even call you stupid. ignorant, yes but not stupid.
---michael_e on 10/10/12


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Paul writes in 2 Corintians 3: ( remember this was AFTER Paul spent all that time alone on the back side of a Mountain with the Lord, also being taken up into the third heaven to be shown "THE MYSTERY", michael_e says is not in any way affiliated with any Covenants AKA Testaments including the New Testament.

So michael_e is calling Paul stupid and michae_e says he knows more than Paul.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath "made us" able ministers of "THE NEW TESTAMENT", not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Now what lame excuse will michael_e use this time to explain away scripture?
---kathr4453 on 10/10/12


Phil, becaue Jesus knew He would be dying for the sin of the whole world.

Had Jesus not gone to the cross Phil, there would only be 1000 years of His earthly reign and you would never have been born. So what are you "Amen"ning about anyway!
---kathr4453 on 10/10/12


The Church, which is the Body of Christ, was revealed to Paul and is described as a mystery (Eph 3:6, Col 1:27, Eph 5:32). It is not the subject of prophecy, whether the prophecy is the Old Testament or its fulfillment in the New (Rom 16:25, Col 1:26).

After all the New Testament was never intended for the Church, but was prophesied and reiterated in Hebrews to be applied to Israel:

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Hebrews 8:8, quoting Jeremiah 31:31.
---michael_e on 10/10/12


He forgave people of their sins while He was still yet alive, without the shedding of His blood.

What say ye, Kathr?
---Phil on 10/10/12
BY FAITH they accepted that there sins would be forgiven

If jesus does not die NO SIN WOULD BE FORGIVEN

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission.
---francis on 10/10/12


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---kathr4453 on 10/9/12 " Phil stated on another blog that if the Jews has received Jesus right then they would have had the forgiveness of sin, just simply by Jesus pardoning them. WRONG."

Mk 2:5 and Jesus having seen their faith, saith to the paralytic, 'Child, thy sins have been forgiven thee.'

Mk 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins.

Lk 7:48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

How could He forgive sins when He was not even dead yet? His blood was not shed.

He forgave people of their sins while He was still yet alive, without the shedding of His blood.

What say ye, Kathr?
---Phil on 10/10/12


francis, Phil stated on another blog that if the Jews has received Jesus right then they would have had the forgiveness of sin, just simply by Jesus pardoning them. WRONG.
In Adam ALL DIE, in Christ will all be made alive.

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.

The animal sacrifices pointed to Jesus. John said Behold the Lamb of God.

Jesus was that final once and for all sacrifice for sin.

The same Jesus who died for your sins died for mine too. To the Jew first and then to the Gentile.

Moses did everything according to the pattern IN HEAVEN! All in the Tabernacle was a picture of Christ even down to the sacrifice.

They were promised a Messiah/Christ not Just a King.
---kathr4453 on 10/9/12


There are ofcourse TWO gospels
THE FIRST GOSPEL: Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

THE SECOND MOST POPULAR GOSPEL: Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
---francis on 10/9/12


Kathr, Just a sjmple ?

Did Moses say belief in Paul's
(1Cor !5:1-4) would be necessary for salvation?
Did Moses or any of the prophets say salvation would go to the Gentiles without Israel?
---michael_e on 10/9/12


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The Lord asked those who called him Lord (master) why are you calling me your master when you will not obey me? Believers believe the message the Lord Jesus proclaimed which is the coming Kingdom of God on earth. When the Lord returns he will rule the earth from Jerusalem as King of Kings.

1 Timothy 6:14-16 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords,

Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/9/12


That the two Evangels have a common foundation, and share much of the same truth, does not change the fact that Paul's was the latest and most relevant evangel given to men.

Paul was not able to reveal the secret of a joint and equal body until all Israel had been reached with the evangel given to him. The prophetic writings came after that. Ro 16:26

When the gospel of the grace of God was finally rejected in Acts 28, the curse of Isaiah was once more invoked, and the Kingdom evangel was temporarily set aside, until the times of the Gentiles (the Body) is completed. Ro 11:25
---Phil on 10/9/12


Paul says at Rome and testifies before all men there the following:


Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

So again, michael_e, has the LIGHT of this glorious Gospel shinned into you or not?

Did you think Jesus died and reose again twice...one for eh Jews and one for your secret gospel having nothiong to do with the fact that SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS!
---kathr4453 on 10/9/12


Go back and look at 1Cor 4:3.
---michael_e on 10/9/12


Ok, so what is your point? You seem to think that says God is going to save Gentiles without Israel?

Or you are under some delusion that you are a good stuard of the Mysteries of God? So, tell us Michael_e, when did YOU personally sit on the back side of a mountain with the Lord and taken up to the third heaven to be shown anything?

It never happened Michael_e!
---kathr4453 on 10/9/12


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//And you say only his prision epistles teach "the mystery"?
---kathr4453 on 10/9/12//
Read and think before you write, I never said only the prison epistles, I SAID ONLY PAUL taught the mystery.
//That even Moses foretold of Jesus death and resurrection.//
Did Moses say belief in Paul's gospel(1Cor !5:1-4) would be necessary for salvation?
Did Moses or any of the prophets say salvation would go to the Gentiles without Israel?
Go back and look at 1Cor 4:3.
---michael_e on 10/9/12


\\Paul met men baptized with the baptism of John the Baptist, who had not even heard of the Holy Spirit. Was Paul teaching himself two different Gospels?
---kathr4453 on 10/8/12\\

If they had received baptism in the Name of the Lord Jesus, that is as Jesus Christ Himself commanded--In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit--they would have heard of the Holy Ghost, right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/8/12


ACTS 26 ---,

---20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
---kathr4453 on 10/9/12


So tell me michael_e, when Paul testified in Rome before Agrippa, in Acts 26, has he not already spent 14 years on the back side of a mountain learning form the Lord THE MYSTERY? And yet Paul says in Acts 26, that then from the road to Damascus TO THIS DAY he preached repentance to Jews and Gentiles.

That even Moses foretold of Jesus death and resurrection.

Did Paul go to Galatia AFTER he was arrested in Rome? So what Paul taught in Galatia was a lie? Did Paul ever leave prision after Rome? And you say only his prision epistles teach "the mystery"?
---kathr4453 on 10/9/12


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//Was Paul teaching himself two different Gospels? //
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Peter said
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall WE do? 38. Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, AND BE BAPTIZED every one of you...
Paul said
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Twist it all you want, it's not the same
---michael_e on 10/8/12


michael_e please try to read and think things through before you write.

You and phil are just making up this and that without any back up. Just throw it to the wall, and hope some ignorant people will believe you.

Yes michael the same Gospel preached in Acts 2..the death and resurrection of Jesus is the same in Galatians and the same today.

If only the Father knows when the Kngdom will be restored, how is it you claim Jesus told the Apostles to go ahead and bring it in.

Paul met men baptized with the baptism of John the Baptist, who had not even heard of the Holy Spirit. Was Paul teaching himself two different Gospels?
---kathr4453 on 10/8/12


Phil, how foolish, no one is going to fall away from tthe earthly Kingdom. WHY, because there was no kingdom to fall away from.

When Jesus Himself brings in teh Kingdom, Satan will be bound for 1000 years. it won't be until AFTER the 1000 years are up that satan is again loosed and then those who fall away will be swiftly and instantly judged.
---kathr4453 on 10/8/12


//Shame Shame on you for Blasphemy Michael_e!
---kathr4453 on 10/8/12//
You don't think the events in acts 1 & 2 happened at the same time as Gal 1 & 2 do you/?
Try to read before you write
---michael_e on 10/8/12


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\\Very few of the thousands of Jewish believers at Pentecost remanined in the faith. Most had fallen away from the Apostles' teaching and doctrine, and returned to the traditions.\\

And how do you know this?

Who gave you this information? Or where did you find it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/8/12


Very few of the thousands of Jewish believers at Pentecost remanined in the faith. Most had fallen away from the Apostles' teaching and doctrine, and returned to the traditions.

They no longer believed in the coming of the Kingdom and the restoration of all the promises given to the Fathers. Ac 1:6

The Gospel of the Kingdom on earth, the nearness of it being preached by John and the Lord, and attested to by the Twelve, was no longer believed by Israel as a whole.

This Gospel was rejected by those to whom it came. Jn 1:11

This Gospel, God's earthly rule and reign, did not find fulfillment. It was rejected by those to whom it was sent.

There is no evidence it occurred anywhere.
---Phil on 10/8/12


If in fact those where teaching the earthly kingdom in Galatians, Paul said that gospel was ACCURSED. That would put all the remaining apostles under a curse for preaching the wrong Gospel michael_e.

That means to endure the effects of a CURSE michael_e. That means you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit who spoke through them on the day of Pentecost, who preached an accursed Gospel at this time michael_e.


Shame Shame on you for Blasphemy Michael_e!
---kathr4453 on 10/8/12


//Peter is not preaching an earthly kingdom Michael_e.
---kathr4453 on 10/8/12//
Please try to read before you write.
In Acts 1:6, the disciples asked Jesus Christ, "... Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" To "restore" means to bring about something that existed previously. This is further emphasized by the word "again". Obviously they were expecting Jesus Christ to bring about an earthly kingdom, similar to that of Solomon and David, only greater. Note that Jesus Christ did not correct them and say, "No, you guys have it all wrong. It's only going to be a spiritual kingdom." Christ said, "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons ..." (Acts 1:7)
---michael_e on 10/8/12


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The supernatural Pentecostal event was foretold by the prophets and played a crucial role for Israel entering the kingdom.
---michael_e on 10/8/12

Israel has not entered any earthly kingdom michael_e. Jesus is not here on the throne yet michael_e.

The Earthly Kingdom cannot be preached at the same time as the Church michael_e. How would a Jew know what kingdom they belong to, the Church or the earthly one michael_e.

Peter is not preaching an earthly kingdom Michael_e.
---kathr4453 on 10/8/12


//Yes,the same body as the Jews who were first added to the Church the day of Pentecost Acts 2.//

Acts 2 can be a breeding ground of confusion for those who do not rightly divide. When we rightly divide the supernatural events at Pentecost become a clear fulfillment of Gods prophetic purpose to Israel.

The prophetic foretelling and purpose of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit indicates that what was happening in Acts chapter 2 was not:

A supernatural response to extreme faith
The beginning of the church the Body of Christ
Something that can be repeated in this dispensation

The supernatural Pentecostal event was foretold by the prophets and played a crucial role for Israel entering the kingdom.
---michael_e on 10/8/12


That the Gentiles should be fellow-heirs, and of the same body and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel.

Making out of them ONE NEW MAN, both Jew and Gentile, breaking down teh wall that was between them. As Peter stated in Acts concerning Cornelius.... EVEN GENTILES are given teh Holy Spirit as WE (JEWS) are.

ONE SPIRIT, that one Spirit is who baptized us INTO Christ His Body.


Yes,the same body as the Jews who were first added to the Church the day of Pentecost Acts 2.

Yes, His Promises, and those promises are those beginning in Genesis 3:15, and further explained to Abraham.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/12


Eph 4:4-6 "There is one body, (don't see that in Peter's preaching. or Christ's earthly ministry. All through Paul's writing you find (the Body)and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling One Lord, one faith, one baptism," (not 3) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Eph 3:5,6 Which in other ages (generations) was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit, That the Gentiles should be fellow-heirs, and of the same body and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel

Gospel: Christ died, was buried and rose again

















---michael_e on 10/6/12


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---Mark_V. on 10/4/12

Thank you Mark_V for your attention. I appreciate you.

We are in agreement. Satan does not do the creating, being confined to the heavenly realm and no body to build with.

There is only one Source of everything, God. Satan is His tool, and men are down on the totem pole in might.

It is not a stretch to say the Adversary is the source of these "denominations".

I do not think the enemy can formulate false teachings as well as men do.

But his agitations in our minds may be what causes us to imagine strange and unbiblical things, which we begin to believe and teach.

Strict adherence to the Word is critical.
---Phil on 10/4/12


Phil, Satan does not create denominations, people do. It is pretty simple. Satan might influence, tempt, accuse, and even possess the lost but he does not create denominations, the people do. Nothing new about that. Now hear Jesus words,

"Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. "You" are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father "you" want to do"

Now who is doing the desires? The people. The whole lost world does the desires of the devil, they don't even realize they do. People do the will of God or the will of the devil, the opposer to the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 10/4/12


The true church is different for everyone. Basically, the true church is the one you agree with and like.
---John.us on 10/1/12
Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death

the true church is as God says it is:

Revelation 12:17 the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 10/2/12


What kind of nonsense is that? Does satan go around calling people to get together and form denominations?...He does not create denominations, people do.
---Mark_V. on 10/1/12

Satan was created, yes.
His purpose is to continually thwart God's every act, on approval.

Throughout the Bible, spirit influences over the minds and hearts of men is seen.

Satan is the author of all that opposes God. Man, without God's Spirit, is merely a servent to his flesh or the one that has been changed for this age.

2C 11:14 And not marvel, for Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light.

The adversary is powerful to blind men to truth. It is by access to their hearts and minds.
---Phil on 10/2/12


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The true church is different for everyone. Basically, the true church is the one you agree with and like.
---John.us on 10/1/12


Steven G, why do you give credit to satan? That is what you always do. Here you say again,

"All worldly denominational churches (dchurch) are a creation of Satan."

What kind of nonsense is that? Does satan go around calling people to get together and form denominations? I know of God the Creator, and Satan is himself a created being. He does not create denominations, people do. He does not make people sin, they sin because they are sinful. But you are right, where two or three (genuine born again believers) meet, that is a Church. And it doesn't have to be at a home or building, it can be anywhere. For they are part of the spiritual body of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 10/1/12


terminology of "true church" are denominational teachings dividing the Word of God with their traditions. Denominations are divided, not the Lord! call yourself baptist catholic methodist or any other denomination you are a member of that organization and follow their teachings they call Christianity. You either are a part of the church (Believers) of the Lord, or you are a member of your denomination which is not a member of the body of Christ. Believers are called out of world (church) to follow the Lord Jesus and follow him as he followed the Father. The Lord asked why call me Lord and not do as I say? denominations teachings are different than the Lords teachings.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/30/12


The true church is people - who believe. Fellowship is anywhere two or more are gathered in Jesus' name.
---Steveng on 9/28/12

AMEN!!
---Haz27 on 9/29/12


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Follower_of_Christ...Did you misread my post?????
---KarenD on 9/29/12


It is a shame that for many ages the other part of the chapter about what the church is built upon is ignored. How easy people believed the false doctrine that God's church is built on Peter. What Christ actually did was to tell Peter God had revealed to him that Christ is the son of God. Matthew 16:16-18 Then Jesus goes on to call Peter by name and tell him that God's revelation that Christ is God's son is who and what the church is built upon. It would be completely out of God's plan for man's salvation through Jesus to let HIs church be built on a mere mortal. In the Old Testament God is called the Rock and all power in Heaven and Earth God gave to Christ therefore since God is the Rock Jesus too is the Rock for they are one.
---Darlene_1 on 9/28/12


All worldly denominational churches (dchurch) are a creation of Satan.

Satan has succeeded into dividing the "christians" up into their own cults each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible.

The meaning of "church" is a lot different today than it was 2,000 years ago. The dchurch is nothing but a building having assets (This is confirmed when you hear, "Did you go to church today?" "I didn't see you at church today.") and is owned by the government (IRS: "you do what we tell you or we'll revoke your nonprofit status.").

The true church is people - who believe. Fellowship is anywhere two or more are gathered in Jesus' name.
---Steveng on 9/28/12


i use capitols quite infrequently, to me Jesus and jesus is the same. but catholic and Catholic are not the same.
---aka on 9/28/12


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church is catholic...that is NOT biblical..matthew 28:19 did not say catholic. and the keys of peter is NOT keys to heaven but to open the gospel to the gentiles...catholic has many avenues to heaven (mary, purgatory, rosary, works).we are saved by faith NOT by works bec. a person will boast.
---mike on 9/28/12


The Church is bulit on the Rock of Peter: You are Peter. On this rock I will build my church
---Ruben on 9/27/12

The ecclesia (church KJV) that the Lord was gathering together ceased in its formation while the Lord yet lived.

Mt 13:11-15 is the account of that cessation, and the end of the Lord's openness with His people.

Peter was handed the keys of wisdom and revelation, and and the Kingdom re-offered several times, as recorded in the Acts of the Apostles.

With Israel as a whole rejecting the offer of the Kingdom, God locked them up in stubbornness Ro 11:32.

The Lord's ecclesia does not exist at this time. It will reemerge during the time of Jacobs troubles [Jer 30:7 Re 2:1]
---Phil on 9/28/12


francis and Ruben, you both are wrong.
---Mark_V. on 9/28/12
This is THE WORD OF GOD NOT MAN IT CANNOT BE WRONG

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 12:17 the remnant.. which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

---francis on 9/28/12



The Church Is Catholic: Matt. 28:1920)

The Church Is Apostolic: Eph. 2:1920)


funny my bible doesn't say catholic, must be in the catholic's bible (their catechism) then again holy scripture does not say the church is founded on Peter either. sadly catholics are a cult brainwashed to submit their minds and will to their Pope who is their god in place of the Lord, hence vicar! True Believers who follow the Lord Jesus know the church is his, not Peter's! the Lord Jesus is the rock and foundation and high priest of Christianity.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/28/12


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francis and Ruben, you both are wrong. The Church of Christ consist of all who have been saved by grace through faith. Works can save no one.
1. The Church is one (1 Cor. 10:17). that passage says,
"For we, though many we are one bread and one body The bread is Christ, we are the spiritual body of Christ.
2. The church is holy (Rev. 19:7,8) it's holy because all of the spiritual body is holy.
3. The Church is Catholic (Matt. 28:19,20)
"God said to make disciples of all nations and to baptize them" All believers are spiritually baptized into one body in Christ.
4. The Church is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19,20) no mention of Peter anywhere in those passages. Jesus Christ is the Head of the body.
---Mark_V. on 9/28/12


how many churches meet these basis standards?

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 12:17 the remnant.. which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

If your church does not meet these standards it CANNOT be the true church
---francis on 9/27/12


Where did Jesus ever say (or even INDICATE) that the real church is "out there somewhere"?.
---more_excellent_way on 9/27/12

Four marks of the True Church:

The Church Is One: 1 Cor. 10:17

The Church Is Holy : Rev. 19:78

The Church Is Catholic: Matt. 28:1920)

The Church Is Apostolic: Eph. 2:1920)


The Church is bulit on the Rock of Peter: You are Peter. On this rock I will build my church

There is only two who can claim the above, One did leave!
---Ruben on 9/27/12


The Search for the True Church
By Joe Crews

Is there a true church in the world today? And if so, how can it be identified?

Of all the religious questions facing the modern truth-seeker, this is certainly the most demanding and also the most frustrating. Conflicting voices from every quarter declare that they have the answer. Denominations, sects, and cults make strident claims based upon emotional interpretations of isolated Bible texts.


The average Christian today has been so totally turned off by these exaggerated boasts that many have even discounted the possibility that any true church could really ex...
---francis on 9/27/12


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\\Cluny, why do you think that the REAL truth still needs to be sought after TWO THOUSAND YEARS?\\

I don't think it needs to be sought out at all, and I never said it did.

The Orthodox Church IS the True Church, and has been proclaiming the REAL TRUTH for 2000 years.

All you need to do is humble yourself, go to one, and accept the truth.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/12


There were three "churches" at Ephesus, the heathen center of worship [Diana].

G1577 ekklesia, a calling out KJV: assembly, church.

The word "church" is the translation for ecclesia. It is not a proper noun. It should not be capitalized.

In the Scriptures, an ecclesia merely indicates a group called out from among the rest.

An ecclesia of silversmiths.
An ecclesia of lawyers.
An ecclesia of believers.
All use G1577 in Acts 19.

According to correct grammar and true translation principles, they were all "churches".

Understanding what ecclesia means and the incorrect rendering, "church", is the beginning of knowing the truth of God.
---Phil on 9/27/12


Sister, don't you know it's not about finding the true church?

The Apostles would disagree with your false minister!

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

The Lord warned many would come in his name teaching against him. Satan subtly deceived Eve. false Christian churches subtly deceive. It should be important to know if you are following the Lord and his church but most, as Apostles warned, will not, instead listening to false ministers who deliberately ignore and teach against the Apostles warning here.
---Follower_of_Christ on 9/27/12


I spent many years trying to find the "true church" after being adopted by RLDS parents as a little girl. I studied every denomination around back then until an elderly Church of God pastor said, "Sister, don't you know it's not about finding the true church? It's about finding Jesus." Praise the Lord, I found HIM that day and gave my life 100% to HIM.
---KarenD on 9/27/12


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There is no true church in a denomination on earth,God's people who have accepted Christ and live for God and obey Him are the body of Christ therefore the Church. Ephesians 5:29,30 After all,no one ever hated his own body,but feeds and cares for it,just as Christ does the church _for we are members of His body., Ephesians 1:23 And God placed all things under His feet and appointed Him to be head over everything for the church,which is His body. The True Church are God's people because we are members of His body,and the church is His body,then we're the members of His body the True Church.
---Darlene_1 on 9/27/12


Cluny, why do you think that the REAL truth still needs to be sought after TWO THOUSAND YEARS?....One of the reasons is that believers are in the habit of making statements that they claim are true, BUT THEY PROVIDE NO SCRIPTURAL REFERENCE, they don't even provide any REASONING or explanation.

Where did Jesus ever say (or even INDICATE) that the real church is "out there somewhere"?.
---more_excellent_way on 9/27/12


Do you believe that you are in the true church and if you do why do you believe your church is the "True Church"?
---trey on 9/26/12

TRUE CHURCH: Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

TRUE CHURCH: 1 Corinthians 7:19 the keeping of the commandments of God.

TRUE CHURCH: Revelation 12:17 the remnant.. which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

TRUE CHURCH Revelation 14:12 the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 9/27/12


To put it another way, if you don't believe your church is the "True Church", why do you bother going?

According to the words of the Lord Jesus Himself, the True Church will be out there somewhere.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/12


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The true "church" is the one that will be left after the 'shaking'.

Hebrews 12:27 "what cannot be shaken may remain".

God knows how we each grow up and develop our own attitudes and idiosyncrasies (temperament). Regardless of whether our spirit/temperament is "hot" or "cold", what really matters is that we are not "lukewarm". Do not glorify man for divine favor/grace.

Israel ("her") had only one "husband" (stewart, caretaker). Paul tried to prepare them (engaged/"betrothed") to be a "pure bride" (2 Corinthian 11:2 "I betrothed you to Christ to present you as a pure bride..."...(Jesus is our "purification", not MAN).
---more_excellent_way on 9/27/12


I trust God to make sure.
---willie_c: on 9/27/12


yes, my church is the true church because "we are the church that Jesus loves" we are the bride of Christ, and we preach Jesus is, the way the truth, and the life. Does this mean we are perfect, no. Does this mean we always follow God, no. Do we make mistakes, yes. Look at the churches in Revelation they we screwed up as well but Jesus loves his church.
---Scott1 on 9/27/12


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