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Can Christians Protest March

Everyone seems to be doing it - the Muslims, the envirnmentalists, the anti-abortionists, the feminists, the gays, the anti-apartheid groups, the union members, OWS. You name a cause and someone is protesting it.

Are christians allowed to be like the rest of the world and protest?

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TheSeg: You go get 'em Seggy, but you won't have Jesus behind you, as He Himself said:

Matthew 5:44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Or Paul:
Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you, bless and do not curse.

Or any bible-believing Christian:

Hebrews 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

...but you'll have Warwick and Mark V for company.
---John_II on 11/13/12


Mark V, how are you not a Muslim (or at least Romish)? Your quote: They feel they must do something, the dishonor done to God's name goads them into action.

Just change the word God to Allah and you're set.

Twice you have tried to use pugilism from Israel's past to effectuate a physical charge from Christians, as do the Muslims to excuse their own violence.

And thirdly, Your quote, "Don't you believe that the Spirit of God would command someone to take up arms for a reason, only He knows, and you are commanded to obey?" is koranic teaching, Sura 2:216
---John_II on 11/11/12


I too, will not sit idly by!
Amen, Warwick!
Peace Bro
---TheSeg on 11/11/12


I hear the arrogant judging the perfect Jesus from their imperfect position saying, "Jesus was a radical" or "Jesus was a politician" or "Jesus was a protester" - Aren't you trying to shape God into your own image? Where overruling children have to be told, "Ahem, me parent, you child", it would seem Jesus could say to you guys, "Me God, you man."

Jesus doesn't need any titles or creeds from you.

You want to start a peaceful protest group/march: Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. You may start your bellyaching under the banner of Christianity, but it sure won't be Christian, though it will be a conflagration.

2 Cor 1:8-11
---John_II on 11/11/12


John11 protest is not essentially violent.

Prayer must always be our foundation for thought and action. We should always ask for the presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives, to guide our thoughts and actions, not as an excuse to avoid confrontation or protest when necessary. A young visitor to our home regularly used the Lord's name in vain. I protested and today he respects me, for my stand.

Jesus is our example of confrontation and protest in His stand against the religious leaders of the day, protesting in such a way they boiled in resentment towards, and planned to kill Him!

You may sit by when evil is said or done but I will speak up when and where the Lord leads me to do so.
---Warwick on 11/11/12




John 11, I answered you once I will post this again. You wanted a passage, I give you one for space does not allow a lot.
"The people who know their God shall be strong, and do exploits" (Daniel 11:32). (KJV)
"The people who know their God shall stand firm and take action" (RSV) In the context, this statement shows us, "that the action taken by those who know God is their reaction to the anti-God trends which are operating around them." While their God is being defied or disgarded, they cannot rest. While you say do nothing. They feel they must do something, the dishonor done to God's name goads them into action. This is exactly what happened in the narrative Chapter of Daniel.
---Mark_V. on 11/11/12


StrongAxe: I saw your position, for I had read what you submitted. My point to you was contained in the one sentence about human devices, which you had obviously not taken the time to research. If you had also taken the time to read what Mark V and I were disputing, then you wouldn't have been "very confused".

Why would you want to label Jesus as a protester:

John 7:46 "No one ever spoke the way this man does," the guards declared.

Check your arrogance.

Mark 11:28,29 "By what authority are you doing these things?" they asked. "And who gave you authority to do this?" Jesus replied, "I will ask you... by what authority I am doing these things.
---John_II on 11/11/12


John_II:

I think you have misunderstood my position entirely, I have NOT been defending protesting at all. In fact, I have been pointing out that the ONLy kinds of protesting one finds in the New Testament is Jesus and his Apostles arguing against the Pharisees - i.e. the leaders of their own religion (i.e. Judaism). They did not argue with people of different religious beliefs (i.e. pagans), nor with political leaders.
---StrongAxe on 11/10/12


Warwick: Christians are supposed to do all thing to keep the peace, and this includes being persecuted (1 Corinthians 4:12) and afflicted (2 Corinthians 7:5). If you jump in for your friend and makes matters worse, you are not being Christian, and bring disrepute to His Name. Calling on God is the Way, being conscious of Him while ones righteous indignation builds up, the more someone holds back because he is conscious of God, the more righteous - and powerful - that indignation becomes. But as you say, this has always been about your own opinion.

For you to look up from your fallen position and call Jesus a protester is utterly pathetic.

Matthew 26:53
---John_II on 11/10/12


John11, I am not sure what you mean, not knowing what a 'bitter root' is. Nonetheless I believe I have shown what protest is and have given adequate Scriptural examples of its occurrence. Therefore we are free to protest in a proper manner. In fact it is a Christian thing to do.

If an friend of mine (absent or not) and whether Christian or not, was being ridiculed I would protest. Anyone who is not prepared to defend a friend is not much of a friend, in my opinion.
---Warwick on 11/10/12




Mark V, I'd suppose that what has been said between us is readily available below.

Now tell me, what Verse(s) do you have that says we should protest.
Your quote:
It is a human reaction, the same human reaction Jesus had while in His ministry.

Also:

Do you still hold the belief that we should trust our conscience, having been guided by the Holy Spirit, and take up arms even if we are not told why?

Your quotes:
Believers are motivated by thier conscience, and the Spirit speaks to our conscience.

and

"Don't you believe that the Spirit of God would command someone to take up arms for a reason, only He knows, and you are commanded to obey?"
---John_II on 11/9/12


John, you called me a muslim for correcting you erroneous interpretation of (2 Cor. 10:2) here it is,

"John 11, it was so easy for you to change the Truth to a lie when you want to be right. (2 Cor. 10:2)" is not speaking of people picking up arms of war."
you clearly said that passage was speaking of picking up arms. And it was not. And for that you call me a muslim. You slander me for giving you the Truth of God. You are no different then those who are lost who reject the truth. You cannot debate any Truth.
---Mark_V. on 11/9/12


Mark V, okay, do I not know that the battle is spiritual? Check my words to TheSeg below and then review what I have said to you. (Also StrongAxe, seeing as you have involved yourself) human devices don't have to be physical. Whether you believe that your protesting is physical or not, just see if you can physically or spiritually keep the Devil out of it. However great you are regarded on here, in this instance of defending protesting as a valid, Scriptural argument is wrong. Like Warwick and TheSeg you simply breeze past the Verses given and try and poach something else. Read 2 Corinthians chapters 1-6: and explain away every passage that implies that we don't protest.

Galatians 3:3
---John_II on 11/9/12


Warwick (part 1): Only yesterday I was dining with some 15 or so non-Christians. One woman started a 'bitter root' about this lovely Christian lady, who would usually be dining with us, which soon spread to others, and they mocked her continually. Now, if she had been my wife/daughter/sister, how long could I have sat there listening to their mocking, while trying to be conscious of God (1 Peter 2:19), before protesting, "Hey, that's my wife/daughter/sister!" and in so doing I resist an evil person(s) (Matthew 5:39) and leave smaller room for God's own vengeance (Romans 12:19)? After all, am I not human (Mark 14:38)?
---John_II on 11/8/12


John_II:

When we use computers and the internet, we are all using human devices. The question is, to what use do we put such devices? People in biblical days used devices common to their cultures too (swords, wells, carts, masonry, woodworking, baking, etc.) and nobody thought anything ill of them.

I'm also very confused how you could possibly think Mark_V. is a Muslim, given the contents of all of his posts on this site. I can't imagine anything he said anywhere that could possibly lead anyone to that conclusion. Can you be specific about just which "koranic doctrine" his words talk about?
---StrongAxe on 11/8/12


John 11, it was so easy for you to change the Truth to a lie when you want to be right. (2 Cor. 10:2) is not speaking of people picking up arms of war. Don't you understand that a believers war is Spiritual? Where have you been? You are too much in the muslim religion. I have no clue what they teach, only that their god is not Almighty God, and their jesus is not the God of Scripture. The doctrines are not wrong, and the word is not wrong, it is you who is wrong interpreting the gospel truth.
---Mark_V. on 11/8/12


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Mark V, you hold to koranic doctrine, the words speak for themselves, asking you if you are a Muslim is not slander.

Why do you suppose I put take up arms in quote marks? If you incite people to start protest groups or go on protest marches then you are living "by the standards of this world" (2 Corinthians 10:2) and using human devices?

If are a Christian, then why are you trying to give the Devil a foothold - Ephesians 4:27.

If you really are preaching Christ crucified, then what have you got to protest about?

This is a ministry of reconciliation (2 Cor 5:16-20) or which we are "letters of recommendation" (2 Cor 3:1-3), ministers (2 Cor 3:4-6) and ambassadors (2 Cor 5:20).
---John_II on 11/8/12


Warwick (part 2): Wouldn't these non-Christians have recognised and respected my my indignation as righteous? Of course they would, only a fool would carry on, right? And had one been with us, and he did carry on, who would have backed him up? But she's only my sister-in-Christ, which is not recognised and respected by non-Christians, so if I had protested, "Hey, that's my sister-in-Christ!" what makes you think that they would respect my protest? Wouldn't they have all turned on me (John 17:14)? Wouldn't my arguments have been 'brought down to earth' much to their delight?
---John_II on 11/8/12


John 11, if slandering me is the best you can do, go for it, you are not alone, I get that from many who claim to know the Truth but slander anyway, nothing has change in their lives only the topic.
Concerning (2 Cor. 10:3) "is not speaking of a physical war." Here Paul was talking about how he didn't fight the spiritual battle for men's souls using human ingenuity, worldly wisdom, or clever methodologies ( 1 Cor. 1:17-25: 2:1-4), because such impotent weapons are powerless to free souls from the forces of darkness and bring them to maturity in Christ. They cannot oppose satanic assaults on the gospel, such as those made by the false apostles at Corinth. At least read the context.
---Mark_V. on 11/8/12


This country is under God's judgment! There is no justice to be found. Men in power are without restrictions. Christians, our God is coming. He will make the wicked pay. Stay calm, cool, and collected. Out God is very powerful and strong. He is going to put the wicked men in power to shame. Hell is awaiting for such. Hallelujah. Thank You Jesus+++
---pat on 11/7/12


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Mark V: We are Christians, not Israelites.

2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does.

Your quote, "Don't you believe that the Spirit of God would command someone to take up arms for a reason, only He knows, and you are commanded to obey?" - THIS IS BANG ISLAMIC TEACHING - Sura 2:216

Mark V, are you a Muslim?
---John_II on 11/7/12


StrongAxe, yes, I know that!
And forgive me for this.

I also know that of cause you guys being the good Christian that you are.
In the same way these, picket carrying protestors. Protest!

If they were to protest in front of your home, you guys being the men you are!
Would simply go outside in a kind and loving voice and say please! Stop the protesting and go.

And if they didnt go, that would be the end of it.
Unless God did something, I know you guys wouldnt call the police.
Or do anything to have them forcefully evicted, right!
You would just deal with it day after day.
Wow you guys are GREAT!

And this is the way of
Peace, Right
---TheSeg on 11/6/12


John11 I am pleased you finally accept protest is defined as "A statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something" Scripture is full of protest isn't it?

If we study His word prayerfully we come to know His mind more and more, better comprehending how He would have us live and act.

Recently an atheist group campaigned to have Christian directors and presenters removed from a local community radio station. The Christians sought my assistance and we formulated a plan to counteract them. We did protest and won. At the recent Annual General Meeting the Christian directors were returned unopposed. Surely you agree our protest was in line with Christ's command to preach the gospel?
---Warwick on 11/6/12


John 11, you lost me some place. You said,

"So why would this same Spirit teach our conscience to "take up arms" in our own strength?"

I believe we were talking about protest. Not taking up arms.
But lets touch on taking arms. God in the Old Testament commanded the Israelites to take arms and He even helped them. He ordered the destruction of the Canaanites, woman and children. So do you believe that God does tell others to take up arms, when Scripture is full of incidents where they took arms because God commanded them to? The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. Don't you believe that the Spirit of God would command someone to take up arms for a reason, only He knows, and you are commanded to obey?
---Mark_V. on 11/6/12


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Mark V: Are we not temples being rebuilt not by our own might, not by our own power, but by God's Spirit?

1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?

cf 1 Corinthians 6:19 You are not your own

We are but "living sacrifices" - Romans 12:1

So why would this same Spirit teach our conscience to "take up arms" in our own strength?

Every journey starts with a small step: the world would love to see Christians acting in a worldly way by protest marching, throw in Satan's instigators and you have a recipe for disaster.

I like what you submit but on this occasion you are wrong.

Proverbs 9:8
---John_II on 11/6/12


Warwick: I concede on the defining of the word "protest".

On your declaration: "As we don't always know God's will in every situation then we should act according to conscience" - I do not:

Romans 12:2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world*, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.

* Isn't God's word truly awesome? See, 'two birds with one stone' there. No protests (protesting as per by what the blog question suggests).

You declaration: "If it is God's will the person be released then they will. If not won't." - So why bother protesting? Ridiculous.
---John_II on 11/6/12


John11, you still argue but revealingly refuse to explain what you mean by protest. You also refuse to answer whether you would protest if your pastor began teaching heresy. This is evasion, not a Christian characteristic. Maybe you should evade blogging.

You wrote "while you are protest marching..." Who mentioned marching? You see you won't define what protst means but in this comment reveal you have the wrong idea of protest.

As we don't always know God's will in every situation then we should act according to conscience. If it is God's will the person be released then they will. If not won't. But you use this for an excuse for innaction.

As you know Jesus protested!
---Warwick on 11/5/12


The_Seg:

There is a big difference between just telling someone "I disagree with you", and taking up a picket and protesting in front of his house or business.
---StrongAxe on 11/5/12


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Warwick, you're trying to weigh the blog down in semantics. Think on: while you are protest marching for an unlawfully imprisoned Christian, God's plan might be for that person to suffer 1 Peter 3:17 It is better, if it is God's will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
If God wants to release someone, He will: Acts 16:25, 26 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, .... Suddenly... earthquake... foundations.... At once all the prison doors flew open, and everybody's chains came loose.
After all, why would you want to steal someone's joy-in-Christ: Acts 5:41 The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name.
---John_II on 11/5/12


John 11, first, why did you even mention Islam? Second, you gave (Zechariah 4:6) as your answer. What has the rebuilding of the Temple he was going to build have to do with what we were talking about? Nothing whatsoever.
The purpose of the vision was to encourage Zerubbabel to complete the temple rebuilding, to assure him of divine enablement for the venture and the endless supply for the future glory of Messiah's kingdom and temple. Neither human might, wealth, or physical stamina would be sufficient to complete the work. Only an abundant supply of the power of the Holy Spirit pictured by the bowel in (v.2).
---Mark_V. on 11/5/12


John ii
Truly you Catholics are wearisome: ??You Catholic??
If I were a Catholic, I might even be offended.

As far as religion go or are concerned, I have no religion!
When and if I ever decide that there is only one true religion on earth.
Then and only then, will I consider myself a fool.

Christ said:
I am the way, the truth and the life.

By the way, do you belong to a particular religion?
You really dont have to answer me!
Youve all ready told me everything I need to hear.
You have made yourself perfectly clear!
I would thank you for your time.

But, Im sure you feel it was just a waste of time.
With the name calling and all!
---TheSeg on 11/4/12


John11 I quite reasonably become suspicious of those who refuse to answer questions. They obviously feel such answers would expose their true beliefs.

I have, now three times, asked you to define what you mean by 'protest.' But you refuse to do so. Very revealing.

I have also asked if you would protest if your pastor began to teach heresy. Or if you would protest if a Christian brother or sister was thrown in jail simply for being a Christian. Again you refuse to answer. Your non answers speak louder than any words.

Seq is correct you protest against what he writes then say we have no right to protest. This is hypocrisy.
---Warwick on 11/4/12


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TheSeg: The blog question is about going on the offensive with a rallying cry, but the Bible defends itself with a calm voice without ever trying to appeal to the world: 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

Nothing about protesting marching.

Also, notice that this verse doesn't say, "Oh, and try to find an honest apostle who will have extra instructions." (What, like setting up protest marches?)

The Bible doesn't need to protest to a world that is going to Hell.

Truly you Catholics are wearisome: Daniel 7:25 ... and shall wear out the saints...
---John_II on 11/4/12


StrongAxe and John_II, Pease understand I in no way, am saying go to war!

But let me make myself clear!
Many here say they believe Jesus Christ is the Son of the one and only living God.
I not only believe it, but know it! For me to tell you why or how would just bring disbelief in my words.

First for all, you guys, yourselves! Can believe at this every moment you are protesting my words.
Are you not?

When someone says something anything, and you take an opposing side, you are protesting!
Utter words of protest, Express opposition through action or words. I know you see this.

But with the very next words you speak, you say we dont have that right.
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/4/12


TheSeg: There are differences between preaching, praying and protesting. And only the first two are biblical:

2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does.

Remember, we are infantry in only spiritual battles (Ephesians 6:12), Jesus has already won the war: "It is finished" - John 19:30
---John_II on 11/4/12


TheSeg:

Note that neither Jesus nor the Apostles nor any of their followers did any protesting about anyone who worshiped pagan gods. The only such protests were against others who worshiped the SAME God - typically Pharisees.
---StrongAxe on 11/4/12


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Warwick: If you want to redefine the word "protest", then feel free to try, but this is a far as your "protesting" should go:

Matthew 35, 36 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.
37... 38... 39...
40 ... "I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me."

By the way, when Paul was in prison only his needs were met (Acts 24:23) - no protest marches, when Peter was in prison his supporters prayed (Acts 12:5) - no protest marches.
---John_II on 11/4/12


Warwick: Are you saying that a Christian can be too spiritual so as to miss the Way? That a Christian can be, well, overly Christian? I don't see any restrictions in the Bible? Go preach that stuff to the monks, New Agers, Ecstatics, etc.

Philippians 1: 21-25 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labour for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far, but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body.

And what makes you different from the false teachers who bellow out, "We need action, not prayer!" to barks of approval? cf: Ephesians 6:18
---John_II on 11/4/12


Warwick: When was the last time you said, "I am" and people fell down? When was the last time zeal for God's house consumed you? When was the last time you had authority from the Father to reprove Jewish leaders?

A king protesting in order to draw succour is a failing king - Matthew 26:53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

You are greatly mistaken.

You are trying to rally your own army and steal God's glory. You must be Catholic.

By the way, if you review your own submission and circle the word violent where used, then you should see your own befuddle arguement.
---John_II on 11/4/12


John11 as you refuse to define what you mean by protest I feel free to consider you use it contrary to dictionaries. Maybe you see protest limited to violent behaviour on the streets, akin to a brawl.

Matthew Chapter 23 catalogues Jesus' lengthy protest against the religious hypocrites. John 2:15, shows Jesus whipping money-changers out of the temple-Godly violent protest. You cannot rationally deny this.

I have heard the saying: He was so spiritually minded he was of no earthly use. I wonder if you are like that? Do you retreat only into prayer when action is called for? Do you look away when heresy is taught, and make no protest? I gather so. Give me Christian men of passion and conviction, (e.g. apostles) over a wilting lily.
---Warwick on 11/3/12


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Warwick (resubmitted): I would take it the Lord in prayer, and then keep offering myself for service.

Is there no room for God's will in your plans?

How would I define protest? Contrary to Zechariah 4:6b 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty.
---John_II on 11/3/12


John11, I sense you have a wrong definition of protest in mind. I ask again: how do you define protest?

Are you therefore saying you would not protest if a Christian brother or sister was thrown into prison simply for being a Christian?

Would you protest if the pastor of your church began teaching heresy?
---Warwick on 11/2/12


Well then John, I guess, I can only wonder, why?
Christ would have told me:

Mat 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light:
and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Maybe he meant like a prayer, what do you think John?
Is preaching suppose to be done like a prayer, instead of a prayer?
Or maybe he meant to go up and tell it to God?
That can be right, he is God?

Please tell me John, what should I do?
What did he mean, that preach ye upon the housetops?

When I think:
Do you realize how many men have given up they lives.
So, you can get this massage from God?

Peace
---TheSeg on 11/2/12


You want to draw succour from the world yet Christ laid down His life for U?

You want to rally support in the same way as the Muslims, the feminists and the homoseksuals? This is not evangelism.

Is it to be protests or persecutions? Well, try broaching these options to our brothers and sisters in the persecuted world of Christianity! N.B. Our persecutions are near-negligible here in the West compared to theirs.

You who approve protesting ought to hang your heads in utter shame.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.
---John_II on 11/2/12


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Mark V: The same Spirit God spoken of in Zechariah 4:6? You've got your faiths mixed up, this is not Islam. God is not powerless like Allah that we should go out remonstrating to the world (or to just the odd church-dodging Christian, as you say). Are you going to take it to the Lord in prayer (Philippians 4:6) and then go out and do the business yourself like the Muslims do? If you want to appeal to Christians, then what's to stop you from evangelising?
---John_II on 11/2/12


John11 are you therefore saying you would not protest if a Christian brother or sister was thrown into prison simply for being a Christian?

Would you protest if the pastor of your church began teaching heresy?

The question I would ask you is: how do you define protest?
---Warwick on 11/2/12


John 11, did you stop to think that while the world is vying for support from the world, the Christian is vying for support from the believers in many cases. It all depends on the cause. If it is a cause for Christ, the Christian will do everything possible to defend the faith and all things that pertain to the faith. Believers are motivated by thier conscience, and the Spirit speaks to our conscience.
---Mark_V. on 11/2/12


God, I really do love all of you and no one in Heaven or earth can change that!
If you guys could only see how this love was given to me, you would die!

But, let me try to answer the question:
Are Christians allowed to be like the rest of the world and protest?

With something Christ told us, Mat_21:21.
Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree,

You have and will continue to do these things, anyway!
Even among the brothers.

But also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea, it shall be done.

Mat_5:23-24!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/1/12


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And what about Paul's, I got in his face?

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him, insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

I don't know if I'd go that far.
But, I offend ask myself, if a gun were at my head.
Would I deny Christ?
---TheSeg on 11/1/12


StrongAxe, hey Im sorry!
But what you said looked very clear to me.

\\find a single precedent\\
Example that is used to justify similar occurrences
Done

\\for anyone protesting\\
Clearly this is what Christ is doing, No!
Done

\\or the actions of others\\
Ok these are not the state government
But they are the governing body of God, in place.
And therefore, can and do fall under others, as well as government!
Done

But tell me?
Can I protest about someone saying the sun is god to everyone?
Or just follow his example?


God bless, StrongAxe
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/1/12


Your example was from the old testament, and hence, not about Christians at all.
---StrongAxe on 10/31/12
You wanted a NT example?
Acts 21:38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
---francis on 11/1/12


//Everyone seems to be doing it//

This is what makes us different, we look to God, not the world.

All these protesters are vying for support from the world, why would we want to do that when we have Almighty God?

John 16:33 I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.

Jesus didn't say that we should overcome it by protests.

Where as all these groups might succour some support, what makes you think that Christians will?

John 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, ....

And if God is at enmity with the world (James 4:4), why would you appeal to it?
---John_II on 11/1/12


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StrongAxe, the question is whether Christians can protest. It has been shown by the Biblical examples given that we have plenty of precedent to support our ability and responsibility to protrst.

Israel was a theocracy therefort Jesus' protests against the priesthood were against the government of the day.

Jesus parable of the good Samaritan is enother example of His protesting.

What sort of Christians would we be if we did not protest against injustice. Open Doors (and many other Christian organizations) protest against the mistreatment of Christians in many countries. Their protests to these governments are often successful in having Christians released from unjust imprisonment.
---Warwick on 11/1/12


TheSeg and Warwick:

In your example, Jesus was not protesting the actions of an unjust government, but rather, the actions of a corrupt priesthood. Note that he did not say a word about the corrupt Caesar, who used taxes (which Jesus said we should pay) to fund idolatrous temples, and to enslave countless nations.

francis:

Your example was from the old testament, and hence, not about Christians at all.
---StrongAxe on 10/31/12


Can you find a single precedent in scripture for anyone protesting government actions or the actions of others?
StrongAxe on 10/20/12

Does this count?

Joh 2:14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
Joh 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables,
Joh 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence, make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
Joh 2:17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/30/12


Can you find a single precedent in scripture for anyone protesting government actions or the actions of others?
---StrongAxe on 10/20/12
1 Kings 12:16 So when all Israel saw that the king hearkened not unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? neither [have we] inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David. So Israel departed unto their tents.

1 Kings 12:18...and all Israel stoned him with stones, that he died. Therefore king Rehoboam made speed to get him up to his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem.

1 Kings 12:19 So Israel rebelled against the house of David unto this day.

there are more
---francis on 10/28/12


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Strongaxe, Warwick is correct. protest is an objection of some form. What is plain is that all humans whether believers or not, disagree with many things in life that others want to push on others. It is a human reaction, the same human reaction Jesus had while in His ministry. Even though He was God, in His humanity He was just like us. He disproved of many things and made sure others knew it. As believers in Christ that feeling doesn't just disappear.
---Mark_V. on 10/28/12


StrongAxe you wrote "Can you find a single precedent in scripture for anyone protesting government actions or the actions of others?" I gave an example and you changed the rules!

Protest is defined as "A statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something"

Jesus' violent ejection of the money changers is a protest! Chapter 23 of Matthew concerns Jesus' protests against the perversion of the true faith by the current religious leaders. He calls them vipers, blind guides/fools, whitewashed tombs and hypocrites, protesting passionately against their neglect of "the more important matters of the law-justice mercy and faithfulness."" And you say there is no protest in Scripture!
---Warwick on 10/28/12


Warwick:

What anti-Christian Jewish protesters did is irrelevant. We are discussing what is right for CHRISTIANS to do.
---StrongAxe on 10/27/12


StrongAxe, the Jewish actions to force Pilate to execute Jesus were definitely an anti government protest.

Do you imagine Jesus throwing the money-changers out of the temple was not a violent protest, itself against the government of the temple? Surely not. And considering Israel was an autocracy this was a protest against the government of the state. Did they not conspire to have Jesus executed as He was becoming a threat to their power, influence, and wealth?
---Warwick on 10/22/12


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We, the people of God, represent the living God, so therefore, we need to conduct ourselves in some-kind of order [civilized]....He would rather that we stay in prayer and obedience, and wait on Him. We are different from all other groups of people in this world. Please lets act it.
---pat on 10/20/12


Warwick:

Can you find a single precedent in scripture for anyone protesting government actions or the actions of others?

I am not speaking about people refusing orders based on conscientious principles (for example, Christians being fed to lions for refusing to burn incense to Caeser), but rather protesting third-party actions, such as paying taxes to an unjust government, or a government taking unjust actions (like invading other countries, etc.)? I don't think there are any.
---StrongAxe on 10/20/12


Strongaxe, good point, however what I was getting at is that the principle, that we can, and should protest, is there in Scripture.

If we know of people suffering because of injustice, where we live, I am convinced we should protest in the hope of getting justice for those suffering.
---Warwick on 10/17/12


Warwick,

Yes, Jesus raged against religious hypocrites who perverted God's word. But look how much he protested against all the other social injustices of his day, such as Rome's conquering of other nations, forcing their gods on them, and taxing them heavily to support their armies so they could take over other countries! Look how much he spoke about THESE injustices... not at all. And these are are much worse than what we have to put up with these days.
---StrongAxe on 10/16/12


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Warwick you brought up some good points. So often these protest marches turns violent. Christians are to steer clear of conflicts if at all possible. No, we never turn a blind eye. Jesus had the authority given by His Father. We, as Christians must obey God. And, we are not God. Jesus is God even when He was here in the flesh. And God can get angry..... Jesus did.
---pat on 10/16/12


Did not Jesus protest against hypocrites who had perverted God's word? His was a public protest where he stood face to face with them calling them hypocrites, blind guides, whitewashed tombs, full of wickedness, descendants of murderers, sons of hell, greedy, and self-indulgent..... Did he not protest against the money-changers and violently throw them out of the temple? Should we not therefore be a strong voice of protest face to face against those within the church who are perverting Christianity? Should we not also protest against those of the church and outside, who fill their coffers and live like kings while others starve or have had their very homes taken from them?

Or should we be so weak and mild that we look the other way?
---Warwick on 10/16/12


Not a good idea. Trust God.
---pat on 10/15/12


Romans 12:2 - AND be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is good, and acceptable, and perfect , will of God.
---RichardC on 10/15/12


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Did you miss reading this verse?

Gal 5:13 "For you, brethren, have been called to liberty, only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another"

You have liberty to protest if you wish to. But be aware of the second phrase, don't use your liberty as an opportunity to sin. Even our best intentons can become an opportunity to sin, if we allow it.

I have friends that go to abortion clinics every Friday and protest. But they stand behind what they say. They have put up a mother in their home for 4 months while she had the baby. They did not want to pawn the problem off to someone else.

Do more than protest, offer a Godly solution yourself.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/9/12


\\ I do realize that Pennsylvania is the exception.
---Trish on 10/5/12\\

When I left Alabama, spirits were being sold in state liquor stores only.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 10/6/12


I wonder what I would have done during the initial phase of the Jewish pogrom in Germany under Hitler.

Would protests have been in order then, defending another's right to live peacefully.

It is all political, I know. Even the pogroms.

The state gives people rights, the state can take them away. This is the will of God.

Absent Divine protection, we would all be barbarians.
---Phil on 10/6/12


StrongAxe: Here in Pennsylvania there is no alcohol sold in any store, except for state owned Wine and Spirits stores, except beer. Beer is sold in stores that sell beer either by the case, or six-pack. It's also illegal to cross the state line to buy the alcohol cheaper.

Yet, when I go to Michigan to visit my daughter, alcohol is sold everywhere, even Rite Aid and 7-11. It's up to each state's liquor control board to decide how alcohol will be marketed in each state. I do realize that Pennsylvania is the exception.
---Trish on 10/5/12


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shira4368:

You wrote: I know several people who won't go in a restaurant that serves alcohol but they go to the grocery store to buy groceries.

That's odd, because to be consistent, shouldn't they also be boycotting the grocery stores as well? I don't know about other countries, but at least in the United states, grocery stores sell beer and wine, and some other alcoholic beverages.

Look at what Paul said about meat sacrificed to idols - he said it was perfectly fine to eat (and that is a lot more blatent mixing of sacred and profane than, say, just buying normal meat in a store that also sells meat sacrificed to idols to someone else - like eating a sandwich in a restaurant that serves alcohol to others).
---StrongAxe on 10/5/12


It would depend on what you are protesting and if's it's legal. Just remember, you are identifying and consenting to whatever the cause of the protest might be. If all of the above criteria are in place, and it's to the Lord's glory, then a Christian could protest.
---wivv on 10/5/12


I know several people who won't go in a restaurant that serves alcohol but they go to the grocery store to buy groceries.
---shira4368 on 10/5/12


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