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Who Is The Holy Spirit

Have you examined your beliefs as to who it was that made you spiritually alive to Christ? Some here declare the Holy Spirit is not a Person, If He is not a Person, show by giving Scripture.

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No, Nana
Jumping beans are not nut or beans.
There are however seeds!
---TheSeg on 10/17/12


aka,

You are ok, however, there will always be the nut who'll call you the nut for not thinking and talking like them.
Actually, Im not sure that jumping beans qualify as nuts?
---Nana on 10/17/12


"i did not compare the gospel to master chef" aka 10/16/12

On 10/14/12, you wrote: "i watch different cooking shows. one of them is Master Chef. in one challenge, three cooks were given the same ingredients... and each one of them thought that they presented the best dish. now, we have scripture. do you know how many different "dishes" drive from the same word? everybody thinks that they bring God's word."

Your words, not mine.

"thank you for the many blessings"

When were you being "blessed" or "cursed", if that's what you're implying? You flatter yourself....
---christan on 10/17/12


christan, you can say all you want about me. thank you for the many blessings!
---aka on 10/16/12


christan, i did not compare the gospel to master chef.
---aka on 10/16/12




So, before this Blog closes, I would like to say:
Many have I spoken to say they know the exact, time and day they came to the lord.
In the form of I was born-again on such and such! I either know the time, nor the season.

Many of these same people tell me, they are waiting for the lord to return.
Yet, the lord said I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Also says when the Holy Spirit has come, he will teach you all thing, everything!

I tell you the Holy Spirit is your Father and some of you say no! It's a power, a force.
So you are saying it is not God. Just so you know!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/16/12


"anything to discredit elohim (The Father, The Holy Spirit, and the Son) is very common these days." aka

Yup, like comparing His Gospel to your MasterChef of salvation. Anyways, no one can ever "discredit" God but blaspheme Him, yes! Afterall,

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and His ways past finding out!

For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been His counsellor? Or who hath first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto Him again?

For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen."
Romans 11:33-36
---christan on 10/16/12


anything to discredit elohim (The Father, The Holy Spirit, and the Son) is very common these days.
---aka on 10/16/12


\\--Phil: [1 John 5:7] is not found in any of the most ancient copies of the Greek Scriptures. It was added by creedalists

This is common knowledge, and I am surprised that you are unaware of this.\\

Indeed, it is common knowledge and is mentioned in most modern Bible translations.

What is frequently NOT mentioned is that the Greek speaking Churches and those in communion with them, that is, the Orthodox Churches, DO accept it as authentic.

One thing about these "most ancient copies of the Greek scriptures" is that they date from the time of the Christological and Trinitarian controversies, and the evidence is that they were falsified by the heretics.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/16/12


"This is common knowledge"
Phil, this is the first time I've heard this, and maybe it is common knowledge in some circles, but since it's in print in so many current versions of the bible I'd guess that it's acceptance is more common.
---chria9396 on 10/16/12




Phil, let me ask you!
Does the Father bear record in heaven?
Now does the word of God, made flesh Jesus Christ bear record in heaven?

Mat_18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established!


Joh_14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not!
Joh_15:26 shall testify of me!

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Does the Holy Ghost (your teacher) bear record in heaven and earth?
Done!
---TheSeg on 10/16/12


The Person of the Holy Spirit. He is more alive than you or I. It is the Holy Spirit which leads you to His Son so you can be forgiven of all your sins through His Blood. How strange to a unbeliever, but, true none- the-less.
---pat on 10/16/12


aka, "tread lightly"? To what? Your ridiculous analogy of Master Chef to the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Do my comments about what's Truth from the Bible offend you? I hope it does.

It's your kind of worldly philosophy mixed with the gospel that's the most dangerous. Hence you cook up your analogy of the Master Chef to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There's more than enough in the Holy Bible to reproach anyone without one have to create an analogy to this fallen world philosophy.

The next time you advise someone to "tread lightly", remember Christ's admonishment, "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 10:33
---christan on 10/15/12


---TheSeg on 10/15/12 "1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

This verse is not found in any of the most ancient copies of the Greek Scriptures. It was added by creedalists

This is common knowledge, and I am surprised that you are unaware of this.

Clarke's Commentary on 1 John 5:7:
"..it is likely this verse is not genuine. It is wanting in every MS. of this epistle written before the invention of printing, one excepted, the Codex Montfortii, in Trinity College, Dublin: the others which omit this verse amount to one hundred and twelve.
---Phil on 10/16/12


Christan, what will you hear next from others? Comparing Scripture with a master chief and different dishes. Only those who reject the Truth written down, will come out with michael the Christ and Jesus the Christ as two Jesus in the Bible and then compare both to two dishes, and if anyone disagrees with what they are doing, you are killing them for disagreeing. They don't want to defend the Truth, they want to make a joke out of it. Thank you brother for defending the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 10/16/12


1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This does say and the Holy Ghost bear record in heaven doesn't it?
How does a force or a power bear record?
Or does bear record in heaven mean something else to you?

If something bears record, IT, as you say, must be recording it.
Remembering it!
Putting it somewhere for later uses or this thing must be that which is!
Not to bear record.
But, let's leave that alone, because scripture doesn't say that!

Scripture says The Holy Ghost is bearing record with the Father and the Word in heaven.
And the three are one, it does not say two!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/15/12


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whatever christan. tread lightly and don't harm anyone like the one you follow just because they do not believe as you.


remember, jesus said that you do not have to physically harm someone to harm yourself.

tread lightly and thank you for my heavenly blessings.
---aka on 10/15/12


aka, your analogy of the Master Chef is utterly ridiculous. The Word of God is not about who can cook the best dish as you try to justify. Far be from it!

The Word of God is, "inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 1 Timothy 3:16,17

It is from directly from God! That is, everything the sinner needs to know about who God is and what He thinks we are before His Holiness is declared. No "cooking" is required from us, unless we hate it so much we'll speak otherwise of what God has declared in His Word.
---christan on 10/15/12


Follower, you don't answer my questions. If the Holy Spirit of God is not God what is He? If He comes from God Himself is He not divine? And again if He is not God how can the Holy Spirit bring life? Behind the human writers of Scripture was the divine author of revelation, the Holy Spirit,
"men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God" (2 Peter 1:21) The agents were men, the source was God, and the single author moving the human instruments was the Holy Spirit. He directed their writings. How can you even believe the writings of Scripture are truth of God without believing in the Holy Spirit? Just not possible. Even Jesus "And Jesus returned to Galilee by the power of the Spirit" (Luke 4:14)
---Mark_V. on 10/15/12


The Holy Spirit was the part of the Godhead sent to believers when Jesus went back to Heaven.
---raisincakes on 10/14/12


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40+ times thanks only given to Father and Son
50+ times only the Father and the Son are mentioned.
25+ times Apostles greet brethren, Father, and Lord and never mention any other gods.

gentile triune gods existed prior to the Lord, however triune god was inserted into Christianity by catholic religion in 325 AD. From pages of written word Apostles and Lord never taught anything about a gentile pagan triune god to Believers and holy spirit never called a god or a deity in all of New Testament..

Believers who follow the Lord believe every word of holy scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,

nothing in holy scripture supports the gift of Gods holy spirit as being a god.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/14/12


christan, i watch different cooking shows. one of them is Master Chef. in one challenge, three cooks were given the same ingredients. one made an asian dish, one southwestern, and one a modern fusion dish. the same exact ingredients...and each one of them thought that they presented the best dish.

now, we have scripture. do you know how many different "dishes" drive from the same word? everybody thinks that they bring God's word.

how can michael the christ and jesus the christ come from the same word? how can one man insult or even murder another because they do not believe as he?

we have a case for he, she, and it all using scripture. pick your own dish, but tread lightly.
---aka on 10/14/12


Follower, you again gave a passage in the Bible to proof your point-

"Lord Jesus and Apostles never acknowledge and thank any other god, the only thanks ever given is to the God the Father and the Lord because there are no other gods"

How do you know that is really Truth at all if the Holy Spirit does not reveal it to you? You want to believe in the Truth, you write it, you speak about how it is truth, and you cannot possibly know it is Truth without the Holy Spirit testifying of Jesus Christ. How do you answer that?

The Holy Spirit has intellect. (1 Cor. 2:10) But God hath revealed them unto us by His Holy Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/12


Lord Jesus and Apostles never acknowledge and thank any other god, the only thanks ever given is to the God the Father and the Lord because there are no other gods

7 times the Apostles thank the Father and the Lord never thanking or mentioning any other god.

3 times the Lord Jesus thanks the Father, and never thanking any other god.

30+ times God the Father is thanked and again, never mention of any other gods

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 1:3 confirmed by:

1 Corinthians 1:9, 8:6
Ephesians 1:17, 3:9
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/13/12


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"HOLY" smokes phil!

The "Holy" Spirit is never refered to as an IT. So if one does not believe the "Holy" Spirit is a Person, and choooses to believe the "Holy" Spirit is God, He still is not an IT.

What a moronic thing to state phil.

The "Holy" Spirit testifies of Jesus Christ. The "Holy" Spirit has Baptized us into the Body of Christ.

The "Holy" Spirit is our TEACHER and COMFORTER.

The "Holy" Spirit is a PERSON.
---kathr4453 on 10/13/12


aka, I win? Win what? Speaking the truth about what is declared in the Bible is not about winning or losing. It's merely speaking the truth, which is what Christ has commanded us to do. And that's to be a "witness and testify".

It's never about personal glory but it's all about eternal LIFE and DEATH!
---christan on 10/13/12


christan, you win.
---aka on 10/13/12


---christan on 10/12/12 "So, according to you, Jesus Christ did not know what He was saying"

The Holy Spirit recorded the Lord's words in Greek, not English.

If the KJV or other version is relied upon to determine the sense of a word, then biases and creeds of those translators tend to exhibit themselves.

The gender is linked to the subject, and Holy Spirit is always neuter, it, standing alone.

When linked in a sentence to God, it takes upon the masculine form of the Greek.

pnuema hagion, holy spirit, is not a person, and the Greek language leaves it neuter as "it" in nearly all its usages.
---Phil on 10/13/12


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Follower, you gave (1 Cor. 8:6) to proof there is no Holy Spirit because it is not written in the passage you gave,

"yet for us there is One God, the Father of whom are all things, and we for Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live"

How can you know this is Truth if the Holy Spirit is not testifying the Truth to you? I can see you have no Truth to begin with. How can you know Truth in any part of the Bible without the Holy Spirit? He reveals the Truth to us who believe. The Holy Spirit mission is to reveal Jesus. What is Jesus mission? It is to reveal the Father. In the passage Jesus was revealing the Father. But the Holy Spirit was revealing the Truth (Jesus Christ).
---Mark_V. on 10/13/12


"ekeinos-a pronoun that can be translated as he, she, it, they. it refers to a word (holy spirit) that has not been clearly defined as to gender. therefore, it can still be translated as she, it, they." aka

So, according to you, Jesus Christ did not know what He was saying nor declaring, because He was not a "linguist" like you and does not know what He was talking about - am I right to understand?

Bear in mind that the triune God is always referred to as a He and not a she or it. Bottomline, God is a spiritual person always referred to as a He. Case closed.
---christan on 10/12/12


The Holy Spirit is not written in 1 Corinthians 8:6 you claim it's spiritually understood
Which is against Holy Scripture!
Follower_of_Christ
(Can you explain how can you possibly say this?)

Mat_10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

In the first epistle to the Corinthians!
1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified!

1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Think, Prego It's In There! 1984 Retro commercial
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/12/12


christan

ekeinos-a pronoun that can be translated as he, she, it, they. it refers to a word (holy spirit) that has not been clearly defined as to gender. therefore, it can still be translated as she, it, they.

i was a korean linguist. and much like greek pronouns depend on the noun that is clearly identified. in the case of the holy spirit, it is not.

is there not bias when a choice is submitted?

yes, it is the english holy bible that i read along with books that help me with the limitations of english and the bias of those with a restricted agenda.
---aka on 10/12/12


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In order to understand the passage you needed to have the Holy Spirit Himself, but you did not see Him in the passage and supposed He didn't exist

the holy spirit is not written in 1 Corinthians 8:6 you claim it's spiritually understood, which is against holy scripture

1 Corinthians agrees with Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I suggest next time you think you have spiritual knowledge check with God first because he just proved you to be a liar as he promised he would

Proverbs 30:6
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/12/12


seg, unlike many here, i look at truth through a dark glass...not by choice but by being human. i too will be forgiven weird.
---aka on 10/12/12


" i've never heard anybody assign a gender to the HS, never read this anywhere..." aka

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, HE shall testify of me" John 15:26, "...the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send HIM unto you. And when HE is come, HE will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment" John 16:7,8 - there's more if you need help...

Are you sure you're reading the Holy Bible?
---christan on 10/12/12


elohim is God!
In the beginning elohim created the heaven and the earth!

i've never heard anybody assign a gender to the HS. , never read this anywhere.
Gen_1:26,27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him,
male and female created he them.
Read it again!

but, since we put a gender on the father and son.
Who, is we? I was told!
why doesn't the spirit get one? You tell me.

fathers bring safety, food, shelter...but no one can bring comfort like a mother.
Doesnt this depend on your father?

i call the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit. but, from scripture, nobody cannot get me to not believe.
Joh_14:26, he shall teach you all things!
Peace!
---TheSeg on 10/12/12


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1Cliff, I can see why you say fundamentalist call you second hand Christian. You speak words that question God's Word. Your problem is not with fundamentalist, your problem is believing the Word of God. So when God's word says, "I and the Father are One" instead of believing it by faith even if you do not understand it, you distort what it says because you do not understand how they can be One. If God's Word says,
" For in Him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily" You do not believe it, because it does not make any sense to you, so you distort the Truth written for you, and here is why, because the Holy Spirit does not reveal the Truth to you. Your missing the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 10/12/12


elohim is not Gods...the three are spirits that make up one Godliness.

but, it doesn't matter. i've never heard anybody assign a gender to the HS. , never read this anywhere, ... i am trying to get by...day by day. my goal has never been to "get to heaven." the lord knows me and my final destination is up to him.

but, since we put a gender on the father and son, why doesn't the spirit get one? (if you do not believe in three, then there is no sense in discussing this.)

fathers bring safety, food, shelter...but no one can bring comfort like a mother.

i call the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit. but, from scripture, nobody cannot get me to not believe.
---aka on 10/12/12


You get me, not that I fault you, them or anyone!
I really can find fault in anyone, other than myself, and yet I know.
I will be forgiven, weird!

I hear them say I love God, I love Jesus. Yet because of some of the things you say, I know you have no clue. Who it is your talking about, forgive me. But, it's the truth!

As if you're saying The Big God and the little God. Yet, you know there is only one!
Take 1st_cliff, he can't rationalize. How, as he said, 1/3 forgive and the other 1/3 not forgive.
Makes absolutely no sense, and he right!

1Jn 5:7, if this doesn't make sense, to you.
I say, Rom_3:3. Of cause not!
peace
---TheSeg on 10/11/12


AHhhh Ok. Thank you, now I understand!
I and my Father are one. Elohim two or more, God's!

So, When God said:
Isa_43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen:
that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:
before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me!

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD, and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

But, Jesus the word of God, was made flesh!
So, that changes, Isa_43:10!
Even thought in Mal_3:6, the lord said:
For I am the LORD, I change not!

He changed, right?
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/11/12


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seg, adam, although from dust, has a creator...elohim. it is a plural one just as a family is a plural one.

you say that God is one. jesus said i and the God are one. i lean to the words of jesus.

i do not call God my mother. i call my mother my mother. i call God elohim my creator and savior. i believe in the creator of the second birth.
---aka on 10/11/12


Mark V, Here's the double talk IE **it's the Holy Spirit who testifies of Christ**
Trinitarians believe Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same God.
What's the advantage of 1/3 of a God testifying about the other 1/3? (but this 1/3 does not forgive)
Makes absolutely no sense!
If they are one God then "they" forgive not just a fraction of It/Him/
Them, YHWH is not a "corporate" God!Deut.6.4!
---1st_cliff on 10/11/12


christan, i never said the three were created. godliness or the Divinity has always existed. so, has the relationship between the three and the foundation of relationship is family...father, mother, child.

goodness (Godliness) is always gracious.
---aka on 10/11/12


1Cliff, you said,

"It cannot forgive blasphomy because It is not a "person")"

You are wrong. Jesus is speaking,
"Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men." no where in the passage He cannot because He is not a person.
"Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him"
people who know Jesus claims are true and reject Him anyway, sin "against the Holy Spirit" because it is the Holy Spirit who testifies of Christ and makes Truth known to us (John 15:26: 16:14,15).
---Mark_V. on 10/11/12


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i will speak as softly as I can also!
who was adam mother? just in case:
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

The lord our God is one God.
It is God who is making us his sons.
No one else, ok

Has not my hands made all these things.
All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

Now if you want to call God your mother thats up to you.
Christ called him father, not mother! So I take it he is your father.
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/11/12


Christian, If "I and the Father are one" proves Jesus is God then as a married person (the two will become one flesh) are you also Mrs.Christian?
---1st_cliff on 10/11/12


"A father cannot have a son without a mother. not two dudes...but two parents...maybe?" aka

Say what?????????????
Is that your understanding of who God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit is? That they are created beings just like you and I?

Wow! Now I've heard it all.... goodness gracious.
---christan on 10/10/12


//Interesting dilema here. I would tread very softly trying to answer how Jesus could have two fathers, God and the Holy Spirit.//

i will speak as softly as I can so as not to disturb traditionalists and fundamentalists.

A father cannot have a son without a mother. not two dudes...but two parents...maybe?

we (elohim) will make them in OUR image.
---aka on 10/10/12


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"You claim Jesus was/is this same God who died? FYI God cannot die since He is immortal!" 1stCliff

Obviously you don't read what is written, do you? Especially the Holy Bible. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" John 1:14

Jesus is God and He declared so, "I and my Father are one." John 10:30, "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me." John 14:10,11

I do not know what faith you have, but be assured, it's not even close to Christianity.
---christan on 10/10/12


Apostles only give thanks to the Father and the Lord, Apostles never giving thanks to any other god because there are no other gods.

1 Corinthians 1:4
I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ

1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 5:20
Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Also:
Colossians 3:17
Romans 7:25
Colossians 1:3
Ephesians 1:17

7 different times Apostles never thank any other god Apostles stated there is one Father and one Lord, never mention another god, as it is written.
---Follow_of_Christ on 10/10/12


Cluny, The Holy Spirit is no "mere" power!
It can be grieved the same way It can be blasphemed! (It cannot forgive blasphomy because It is not a "person")
Personality has been atributed to It to placate trinitraians!
In no language is "spirit" male gendered.
---1st_cliff on 10/10/12


\\Gods holy spirit is not a person, being, or god, it is a gift, working in minds of Believers, and power of that spirit must be renewed. \\

Wrong again, as in everything else you say, FoC.

"Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God......"

How can a mere "power" be grieved?

"Baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit....." Matthew 28

"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ Christ and the Love of God the Father and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." 2 Cor.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/12


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"Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord." (2 Corionthians 3:17-18) So, the Lord is the Spirit. The Spirit of the LORD, then, is not impersonal, because the Lord is personal.

Also, "there is one Spirit" (in Ephesians 4:4) who "makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." (in Romans 8:26). Intercession is to God our Father. And Jesus also "makes intercession for us." (Romans 8:34) Intercession is communication between more than one.
---willie_c: on 10/10/12


FoC..........you must have spiritual ears to hear.
---JIM on 10/10/12


Luk_9:55 Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of!

Mat_24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, (but my Father only.)
1Co_2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, (but the Spirit of God.)


Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
1Co_12:11 dividing to every man severally as he will.

Joh_4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him!

Joh_4:24!
Joh_4:25, 26!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/10/12


Follower, you almost fell of the chair because you have no spiritual understanding so it's funny to you. Without the Holy Spirit you have no Truth which is Christ. Paul was speaking in (1 Cor. 8:6) to believers,

"Yet for "us" (believers) there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and "we" (believers) for Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom "we" live"

In order to understand the passage you needed to have the Holy Spirit Himself, but you did not see Him in the passage and supposed He didn't exist or He would have been mentioned, but He was revealing the Truth to "us" (believers) that is why you almost fell off your chair.
---Mark_V. on 10/10/12


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2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
---aka on 10/10/12


Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant
(whom I have chosen!)
That ye may know and believe me, and understand that (I am he:)
before me there was no God formed, (neither shall there be after me.)

I, even I, am the LORD, and (beside me there is no saviour.)
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

All things are delivered unto me of my Father:
and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father,
neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Where is thy Father? Jesus answered,
Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also.
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/9/12


Gods holy spirit is not a person, being, or god, it is a gift, working in minds of Believers, and power of that spirit must be renewed.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Philippians 2:11
"... every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Ephesians 3:15,16 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/9/12


Christian, More psychobabble that is typical of those who embrace your religion!
One God ,yes, Deut 6.4
You claim Jesus was/is this same God who died? FYI God cannot die since He is immortal!
Who died and was resurrected then? Jesus God's Son a separate individual!begotten by the Father (you can't have it both ways.) except by smoke and mirrors.
Both God and His Son use Holy Spirit power to accomplish...whatever!
---1st_cliff on 10/9/12


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"Interesting dilema here. I would tread very softly trying to answer how Jesus could have two fathers, God and the Holy Spirit." Phil

Dilemma for you, yes. Because you came to the conclusion that Christ has "two fathers"??????? So, when did the Holy Spirit become the father from the verses you got in the Holy Bible?

There's ONLY ONE GOD! Of which is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Hence, the term Holy Trinity, Triune God. The Father chose, the Son died for only those the Father chose and the Holy Spirit will only regenerate those whom the Father chose that the Son died for. But still only ONE GOD!

You still in a dilemma? Only God can help you.
---christan on 10/9/12


\\I nearly fell off my chair reading that one, too funny the philosophical hollow empty words used in this phrase. please do tell, which holy scripture is this from, oh wait, I won't hold my breath \\

Spiritual things are spiritually discerned, FoC.

Were you a saved, blood-bought, redeemed Spirit-filled Christian, you would know this.

Since you don't know this, what follows?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/8/12


Funny right!
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father, and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one!

So, the Holy Spirit makes intercession to our Father?
Where does it say that?

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:
but (the Spirit itself) maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

There are not two, get it straight. There is only one!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/9/12


The Holy Spirit "makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." We have this in Romans 8:26. Intercession is an inter-Personal communication. So, the Holy Spirit makes intercession to our Father. This is a personal thing to do, not what a force or thing would do (c: So, the Holy Spirit is not Jesus Christ's Father, but was acting on direction of our Father to conceive Jesus in the womb. This conceiving of the Person Jesus was what a personal being does. Jesus was not put there by a non-personal being . . . I consider (c:

Also, we have, "praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God," in Jude 20-21. Praying in an impersonal force would not keep us in God's own love!
---willie_c: on 10/8/12


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Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit
Pilate asked of him, what is truth? Then said!
I find in him no fault at all.

Truth, from Mark_v. Some here declare the Holy Spirit is not a Person!
Even the Scriptures say:
Mat_1:18 she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Mat_1:20 for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
How can you deny, The Holy Spirit is The Father?

Scriptures also say there is but one God!
But remember it was Christ, who said!
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Another Truth! To deny even one, is to deny all!
Even yourselves, Rom_9:11!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/8/12


Lk 1:35 The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also the holy-begotten thing shall be called Son of God,

Mt 1:20 for that which in her was begotten is of the Holy Spirit.

Interesting dilema here. I would tread very softly trying to answer how Jesus could have two fathers, God and the Holy Spirit.

God is not the author of confusion, but faith. I am certain any trinitarian explanation will veer off into confusion.

There is only One God, the Father, out of Whom all is, but not in all men is this knowledge 1C 8:6-7
---Phil on 10/8/12


"Hereby know we that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because He hath given us of His Spirit." 1 John 4:13, "And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and THESE THREE AGREE IN ONE." 1 John 5:6,8

WARNING: "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matthew 12:32
---christan on 10/8/12


---1st_cliff on 10/7/12
No, it should be who. The spirit came down LIKE a dove, not is a dove, and LIKE tonques of flame. You don't say What is God or What is Jesus why should the third "person" be any different. I suggest "The God I Never Knew" by Robert Morris
---Scott1 on 10/8/12


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Oh, Mark, you say for me to show the Holy Spirit is not a Person, using Scripture? Well . . . let's look at Romans 8:26 > "Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." I'm going to have to pretend that a force or power "makes intercession", in order to use this Scripture.

And, of course, Jesus is "the Lamb of God," John the Baptist said. So . . . Jesus must be a dumb baby sheep, and not a Person. I can hear Him now > baa baa baa.
---willie_c: on 10/8/12


And the LORD is called our "rock". But this does not mean God is impersonal.

So, when Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit to the apostles, I can see He was letting them see the Holy Spirit is our life breath . . . of love which is personal. Our life is personal.

Jesus Himself is "the way, the truth, and the life". He is life, He is personal. And the Holy Spirit is now our life of love which is personal.

But impersonal people can make God out to be only theoretical, to be known by words having meanings that people dictate Him to be.
---willie_c: on 10/7/12


The question should be "What is the Holy Spirit" not who!
Jesus breathed on them (disciples) and said "Receive Holy Spirit"
How can you breathe a person?
At Jesus' baptism the HS came down as a "bird?"
At Pentecost as "fire?"
If a "person" what is His name? Holy Spirit is not a name ,it's what "it"is not "who"!
---1st_cliff on 10/7/12


One thing to remember--"person," when talking about the Holy Trinity, has a technical theological meaning that doesn't apply to earthly persons.

I nearly fell off my chair reading that one, too funny the philosophical hollow empty words used in this phrase. please do tell, which holy scripture is this from, oh wait, I won't hold my breath I know it's not there, you know it's not there yet you tell that lie anyway? a technical meaning!! boy that does sound intriguing, however it contradicts 1 Corinthians 8:6, there is no other diety mentioned here, only the Lord and the Father. There are no other Gods. In fact, 1 Corinthians 8:6 is a lie, or the "technical" statement is a lie, both cannot be truth.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/7/12


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One thing to remember--"person," when talking about the Holy Trinity, has a technical theological meaning that doesn't apply to earthly persons.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/12


"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

So, the Holy Spirit is sharing our Father's very own love with us, right "in our hearts" > showing how personal God desires to be with each of us because He "is love" (1 John 4:8 & 16).

And you can't be personal if you are not a person, I would say (c:

And I would offer that only God can be the Spirit of His own love. So, this means the Holy Spirit must be God, and not a lesser being of some second-best blessing. Jesus has claimed in prayer, that You, Father, "have loved them as You have loved Me." (in John 17:23)
---willie_c: on 10/6/12


Mark_V
The popular versions of the Scriptures has concealed the solution to this problem.

Any attempt to address this will bring down the wrath of traditionalists, which I understand.

The reliance on the Greek Manuscripts is the only way to resolve any doubt about the "personhood" of the Holy Spirit.

My responses will be based upon the Greek and not the translations, i,e, KJV, NAS, etc.
---Phil on 10/6/12


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