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What Is The Age To Come

Some here say that the Age to Come, one way or the other, is spent on earth.

Why then did Jesus promise in the Beatitudes, "Great is your reward IN HEAVEN"?

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Jesus never implied that the beatitude rewards were withheld until getting to heaven. The use of the word "heaven" is referring to the kingdom of heaven which all enter at the time of being saved/following Christ.

The "Age to come" is a Jewish idiom referring to the Millenium.
---jan4378 on 2/23/13


Bro. Trey and Pat, I agree with both of you. The age to come is when Jesus returns with His kingdom, and is a future event, and will then receive our rewards, but as believers were are already part of that kingdom now since we are baptized into one body in Christ Jesus, and already belong to His kingdom. His kingdom is eternal. And we are eternally with Him now and forever. The present age is the physical life we live here on earth now before His return.
---Mark_V. on 1/14/13


God told me to tell you, "rewards will be in heaven because that is where they will be past out"....The age" to come: It is usually referring to this age or the present age....Could also be an era when human history in some sense ceased. A bunch of Scriptures here are a few. [1 Cor. 10:11, Heb. 9:26, Matt. 12:32, Luke 16:8]....In some sense the coming of the age has already come, so that being in Christ makes one no longer truly part of the present age [Luke 16:8]. Again a whole lot of Scriptures, although the coming age is not yet fully here. The distinction, then, between the present age and the coming age is not strictly temporal.
---pat on 1/12/13


//The problem with Phil and Michael_e is, they state that those THINGS TO COME...= FUTURE, already came and went at the beginning of Acts.//

Kathr, did you forget where I stated the above, or did you just make another erroneous statment?
---michael_e on 10/19/12


Jesus came and physically appeared "in the flesh" at the "end of the age" to be the FINAL sin sacrifice.

Originally, the revealing word about the "grace" of God was in O.T. prophecy (Isaiah 53, "Wonderful Counselor")...and then,...."the Word became flesh" (the Word also gave us God's SPIRIT (John 7:39). Today, in the PRESENT PART OF ETERNITY (daily life),...WICKEDNESS today shall receive WRATH tomorrow (inheritance/reward). Every day, we live in ETERNITY (and will continue to do so forever).

We worship 'GOD ETERNAL' (He who "inhabits eternity", Isaiah 57:15). The Father's forever name is "I am who I am", Exodus 3:14, 15).
---more_excellent_way on 10/19/12




What most do not understand is that the Kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom ruled by God from on high and extends to his children even while here on earth. Christ was speaking during the time man was under the law (the Law Age), not, as we are now, under grace (the Grace Age).

For sure they were under grace, but it was not made apparent. The Apostle Paul tells us that the law was our School Master to bring us unto Christ.
---trey on 10/18/12


//Then I believe you and Phil stated,//
Kathr, I don't think you know what you believe.
//You still claim that even today Peter, John and all the other apostles other than Paul are not the BOC.//
Do you have any scripture, where Peter James or John mention the Boc.

Getting back to your statement,when did I say this?? You make an erroneous statement, then when confronted, you change the subject.
//The problem with Phil and Michael_e is, they state that those THINGS TO COME...= FUTURE, already came and went at the beginning of Acts.//
---michael_e on 10/18/12


Take a look at Rev 20 & Rev 5:10 & many "Old Testement refrences that have not been fulfilled yet! A 1000 year reign of the anointed messiah (Christ) & the saints, Then the new heaven & new earth II Pet 3:3-14, Isa 65:!7-19 Isa 66:22-23, Rev 21:1-5 ! The real Christ will return, bringing the reward,that which is perfect, e will rule for 1000 yrs, the devil wll be relieced for a short time, then the fire ,the great white throne, then the new heaven & new earth!
---Marc on 10/18/12


Michael_e we discussed over and over that you claim RIGHT NOW and even at the time of pentecost there are two gospels being preached.

ONE: The Gospel of the Kingdom,
TWO: The Gospel of Grace to the BOC.

Then I believe you and Phil stated, Oh well, the Jews who were bringing in the Kingdom at the beginning of Pentecost fell away from that anyway...so ...I don't know where it went from there.

You still claim that even today Peter, John and all the other apostles other than Paul are not the BOC.

I asked you, If Jesus Himself said ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS, why are you saying Jesus told them to bring it in anyway.


OR is there ANOTHER Gospel and Kingdom you were referring to?
---kathr4453 on 10/18/12


//The problem with Phil and Michael_e is, they state that those THINGS TO COME...= FUTURE, already came and went at the beginning of Acts.//
When this is what i said, if you would read before you write you MIGHT get your stories straight, unless you enjoy falsehoods.
//Future Heb-Rev
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
---michael_e on 10/10/12//
---michael_e on 10/18/12




Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.

Paul here is validating that there are in fact THINGS TO COME. And we see in Zechariah 12-14, at the return of the Glorified RISEN CHRIST these very THINGS, listed above will be what is TO COME.

And Paul is saying THESE THINGS are not THINGS that belong to the BODY of Christ, The Church.

These THINGS are not Heaven either. NO SUN OR MOON will be in Heaven.
---kathr4453 on 10/18/12


The problem with Phil and Michael_e is, they state that those THINGS TO COME...= FUTURE, already came and went at the beginning of Acts.

Yet, even Paul never teaches they came and went.

The THINGS TO COME is the earthly Kingdom Reign of Jesus Christ stated in Zechariah 14 and other places ..Isaiah Rev and so on.

I just can't picture HEAVEN having a country called Egypt, and a THREAT of Judgement if they refuse to come and worship the KING who is Jesus.

And we see no such thing happening today, or even in the past, or even a few years after Pentecost in Acts 1 & 2 or until PAUL was saved.
---kathr4453 on 10/18/12


Phil, again you take (Rom. 9:4) and make it exclusive only to Israel. Of course in history the Isralites received the promises, the glory and the giving of the law first. The entire nation receive His special calling as a witness nation (Ex. 4:22: Hos. 11:1: Isa. 46:3,4). That doesn't mean that everyone who died an Isralite rejecting Christ, will one day be saved. Once a person dies, it is all over. No second chances. God's promises are only "if" they believe in the Lord through faith. It's whats call circumcision of the heart. Those descendants of Abraham in the flesh are not included in the promise, only those decendants of Abraham in the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 10/16/12


It would be best to investigate more closely how Jews relate to the nations. You presume too much.
---Phil on 10/16/12
Garbage pure garbage

How Jews related to the nations has NOTHING to do with what God has said in his word

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, ....Isaiah 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

No one from any nation has ever been prohibited by the word fo God from covenanting with God, making sacrifices and worshipingin the same temple as Jews
---francis on 10/16/12


The law and ordinances were never given to the nations. ---Phil on 10/15/12

If you care to believe, I supply this for you, francis.

Ro 9:4 who are Israelites, whose is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the legislation and the divine service and the promises,

Now, to whom is the sonship, glory, covenants, ordinances, the divine service, and promises?

Repeat Romans 9:4 with me. Ready?

"who are Israelites to whom is the...."

Your interpretation fails in the light of clear words from God.

It would be best to investigate more closely how Jews relate to the nations. You presume too much.
---Phil on 10/16/12


Phil, you say,
" What belongs to Israel stays there. The law cannot condemn anyone but the Jew to whom it was given."
All sin come short of the glory of God. Sin is breaking of the law. Everyone without Christ is condemned already (John 3:18) Know why? They don't believe. Did you read (Rom. 1:16-23) about the wrath of God? (v. 2:12)
"For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law,"
The Gentiles who never had the opportunity to know God's moral law will be judged on their disobedience in relationship to their limited knowledge (v. 1:19,20). The Jews and many Gentiles who had access to God's moral law will be accountable for their greater knowledge (Matt. 11:20-23: Heb. 6:4-6).
---Mark_V. on 10/16/12


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Some here say that the Age to Come, one way or the other, is spent on earth.

Why then did Jesus promise in the Beatitudes, "Great is your reward IN HEAVEN"?
---Cluny on 10/9/12

1: We will spend 1000 years in heavebn, then descend with the new jerusalem
2: Our reward is at this time in heaven: Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly, and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

So at this time outr reward is in heaven where Jesus is
---francis on 10/15/12


A new heaven on earth
---pat on 10/15/12


The law and ordinances were never given to the nations. ---Phil on 10/15/12

Numbers 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.

Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Acts 2:10 strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

Does your bible have these verses?

Because if your bible have these, it is clear that the law and ordinances were for jews and strangers ( NON JEWS)
---francis on 10/15/12


---Mark_V. on 10/15/12 "He fulfills the Law for those who place their faith in Christ...The Law condemns the lost."

The law and ordinances were never given to the nations. This misunderstanding has caused tremendous trouble for believers.

Correct partitioning of the word is essential to be qualified. What belongs to Israel stays there. What is ours, Paul has shown to us.

The law cannot condemn anyone but the Jew to whom it was given.

The nations never had the law, never subscribed to it, and never was it their possession. It belongs to Israel alone.

Any believer who does not understand this will remain in confusion and be misguided in their apprehending the things of God.
---Phil on 10/15/12


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Phil, you say,
"Mt 5:18 ..Till heaven and earth should be passing by (Re 21:1), one iota or one serif may by no means be passing from the law till all should be occurring.
"All" did not, is not occurring. The Law for them is in effect, though it is modified (Matt 5-7), it has not passed."

The law is very much alive, it condemns those not in Christ. Christ said, " I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill." (v.17). He fulfills the Law for those who place their faith in Christ. And by no means pass away from the law "till all is fulfilled" (v.17) Jesus is continuing to fulfill the law for those who are coming to Christ. It is a going on process. The Law condemns the lost.
---Mark_V. on 10/15/12


Mark_V.

Mt 5:18 ..Till heaven and earth should be passing by (Re 21:1), one iota or one serif may by no means be passing from the law till all should be occurring.

"All" did not, is not occurring.

The Law for them is in effect, though it is modified (Matt 5-7), it has not passed.

Ac 21:20 Thou (Paul) seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe, and they are all zealous of the law:

The Jewish ecclesia practiced the Law. These are not heathens. They are believers, like you and me.

They were not released from the Law of Moses (Mt 5:18)

A remnant of Jews believed Paul's evangel. These became one with us through believing Paul. They are elect and chosen of God.
---Phil on 10/14/12


\\Revelation 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.\\

Note that FoC apparently believes in salvation by works.


Note cluny is an unbeliever in the Lord Jesus and his word. Apparently cluny believes I personally authored Revelation 22:12 !!!

sorry to bust your bubble pal, it is the Lord Jesus who says in Revelation 22:12 that my reward is with me to give every man according as his work shall be.

although I do appreciate the grand gesture on your part to attribute Gods holy word as me who penned it, however flawed on your part.

Yes I do believe the Lords words in Revelation 22:12 as all Believers do!!
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/14/12


Phil, of all the wrong statments you made I don't know where to start. You say,
"He never fails to perform His word. You should know and believe this. You have said this yourself. He is Sovereign."
If you know this why ask? You teach predestination in some way, then forget what you are saying. He chose us before the foundation of the world. All believers, the "Called out" ones. We are the Church. There was no mention that the called out ones, one would rule over another. Believers come from all corners of the world, from every nation. Israel was a special people in that no other nation was selected. Israel was selected as the nation through which Jesus would come through. That's why it was protected in history.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/12


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Phil 2, you keep making comments with no Scripture. Here you also said,
"The ecclesia that formed out of the evangel of the Lord and the Twelve is based upon law-keeping, faith and the death of Christ."
Where is that found? Just saying something does not make it Truth. Put down the passages so that we can examine them. I never heard of such a thing in Scripture. Why would it be upon law keeping? Can I ask you, if you don't mind, what denomination you follow? At least I can get some kind of feeling why you say what you do. I never heard of such things. In order to be a part of the Church of Christ, a person needs to be circumcised in the heart. I never heard of anyone keeping the law physically getting saved.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/12


Why add all that stuff to Scripture? Just not there. Adding to Scripture is very, very bad.
---Mark_V. on 10/13/12

Mark_V, you blessed man.

The word of God, properly divided, yields great fruit. Those who do not have this ability suffer loss.

He never fails to perform His word. You should know and believe this. You have said this yourself. He is Sovereign.

Israel will return to the Lord, inhabit the land, and rule over the nations.

Dt 26:18 As for Yahweh, He affirms today that you are to be for Him a special people, just as He promised to you, and that you are to observe all His instructions, And to make thee high above all nations which he hath made.
---Phil on 10/13/12


---Mark_V. on 10/13/12 "Believers make up the Church, which later included the Gentiles".

The ecclesia that formed out of the evangel of the Lord and the Twelve is based upon law-keeping, faith and the death of Christ.

The ecclesia that Paul was commissioned to establish hold all the former tenets, plus justification and liberty.

One is on earth, one is in the heavens. One is in flesh, one is in spirit.

One is according to fleshly promise, one according to spiritual. There is a terrestrial and a celestial in everything.

The Kingdom ecclesia is not recorded as having very many Gentiles in it.
---Phil on 10/13/12


Phil, you said,

"With the powers given to them, they will reconcile the earthly nations unto Christ and God, and reap untold benefits as His Holy Nation. He was not speaking to the nations on the Mount. It is to Israel alone He was speaking."

He was speaking concerning believers who are persecuted for the sake of Christ. Believers make up the Church, which later included the Gentiles. Jesus never said that Israel alone was going to rule anyone. You take that statment and made a mountain out of it. Why add all that stuff to Scripture? Just not there. Adding to Scripture is very, very bad.
---Mark_V. on 10/13/12


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And, behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.\\

Note that FoC apparently believes in salvation by works.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/11/12
Do not do that
You should know better
What FOC has highlighted in all these post is thet JESUS WILL COME AGAIN

not salvation by works
shame on you
---francis on 10/12/12


\\Revelation 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.\\

Note that FoC apparently believes in salvation by works.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/11/12


Time past Gen-Acts

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world,...
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands,12 That at that time ye were without Christ..

Present Rom- Phil.

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Future Heb-Rev

Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
---michael_e on 10/10/12


Mt 5:12 Rejoice and exult, for your wages are vast in the heavens.

This is the correct rendering.

G3408 misthos, pay for service.

Those of Israel who are with the Lord in His kingdom on earth to come, will enjoy both physical and spiritual blessings beyond imagination.

With the powers given to them, they will reconcile the earthly nations unto Christ and God, and reap untold benefits as His Holy Nation.

He was not speaking to the nations on the Mount. It is to Israel alone He was speaking.
---Phil on 10/10/12


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i am not arguing either way, i will go where He wills.

//Why then did Jesus promise in the Beatitudes, "Great is your reward IN HEAVEN"?//

in the same sermon, Jesus says the meek shall inherit the earth. is that telling us not to be meek if we want to be in heaven?

if Monty Hall says my reward is behind [in] door one, door two, or door three, all I have to do is pick. I do not have to literally go behind the door to get it. they will bring it to me.

on earth as it is in heaven.
---aka on 10/10/12


Great is our reward in heaven, where the following scenes take place:

2 Cor 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad"

1 Cor 3:12-15 "Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each mans work will become evident, for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each mans work. If any mans work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any mans work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire"
---Mark_Eaton on 10/9/12


The Lord Jesus is preparing our reward in heaven to give at his coming (1 Corinthians 15:23)

Isaiah 2:2
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains... "

Psalm 96:13
Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth..

Revelation 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/9/12


In Revelation chapter 21 we see there is the "new earth". Paul says, "the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." (in Romans 8:21) So, the "new earth" will be new in the Heavenly glory of us God's children. And the "holy Jerusalem" comes "out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. Her light" (Revelation 21:10-11) > "The Lamb is its light." (Revelation 21:23) So, Jesus is the light of the New Jerusalem on the new earth. So, Heaven will be one with the "new earth".
---willie_c: on 10/9/12


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