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If you are spirit filled and you have the gifts, do you have to speak in tongues? Can you just get the other gifts if u never got the tongues?or is speaking in tongues mandatory for the baptism in the Holy Spirit to be real?

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its funny...talk tongues in homeless shelter and you will fit right in...but you may not get an interertation that you like.

people who have a gift from God should not even say one word to justify their position.
---aka on 12/20/12


Gibberish is gibberish no matter who utters it.
Generally such experience typify religous histeria.
---e.lee7537 on 12/20/12

Why does the Word say this:

1 Cor 14:18-19 "I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all, yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue"

The Apostle Paul obviously spoke "gibberish" because he says he would rather speak with understanding (non-gibberish) in church and teach. However, the Apostle Paul was thankful to God that he spoke "gibberish" more than others.

If speaking "gibberish" is wrong, why was the Apostle Paul thankful for it?
---Mark_Eaton on 12/20/12


//Bro. Mark E, I asked the question because I was curious how Jan knew how gibberish could be interpreted.

One of our Greek professors went into an AOG tongues meeting, rattled off a pslams in Greek, and one woman give the intrepretaion incorrctly. When the Greek professor made known what he had done, the meeting ended in disarray.

Gibberish is gibberish no matter who utters it.
Generally such experience typify religous histeria.
---e.lee7537 on 12/20/12


//--jan4378 on 12/13/12//
May God bless you.

Phil 2(all)
Phil 2:2 "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind."
Phil 2:3 "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves."
Phil 2:4 "Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others,"
Phil 2:5 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
Phil 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Phil 2:11 "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Shalom
---char on 12/15/12


Sis. Rita, I too have no problem if someone wants to speak in gibberish. It really means nothing since it cannot be comprehened by anyone. And if someone says, the Spirit tells them what it means, there is no way of proving it came from God or some other spirit. No one can authenticate it comes from God. If it was a known language the speaker was giving, then someone there from that country or nation could interpret it since known tongues can be authenticate from those who know the language. The only problem I see that gibberish does, is the same problem the Corinthians had, it brought pride and God would never give a gift of pride.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/12




//---jan4378 on 12/13/12//

I'll praise God with you- Thanking Him for His Word, His Mercy and His Grace.

May He continue to richly bless you.

Shalom
---char on 12/13/12


char: Your expounding on Mk13 is meant for all, but I'd like to say that I appreciate such added understanding to the text.

And thank you for your encouragement. :)
---jan4378 on 12/13/12


Bro. Mark E, I asked the question because I was curious how Jan knew how gibberish could be interpreted.
In my lexical aids it says that "Glossai with a sing. pronoun, or subject it refers to the unknown tongue. This "tongue" was a unknown language used by the Corinthians in (1 Cor. 14:2,4.13,14, 19,26,27) it refered to the practice in speaking in ecstateic utterances not comprehened by anyone and therefore not an ordinally spoken language."

Paul had trouble with the Corinthians, what they spoke was not from the Spirit. They used it to sound righteous before others. The reason Paul introduced the chapter of love in Chapter 13, to show them that sounding righteous didn't matter if they had no love.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/12


//to exchange thoughts an beliefs and sometimes learn from each other. ---Rita_H on 12/12/12//

Nicely stated, Rita

-Praising God for His Mercy and His Grace-
Shalom
---char on 12/13/12


Jan4378, Thank-you for your answers.
Seeking Gods Wisdom-

James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him.

Here's what comes to mind:

*No thought beforehand
*Not premeditated
*Spoken what is given
*The Holy Spirit speaking

Mk13(all)
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take (no thought beforehand) what (ye shall speak), neither do ye (premeditate): but (whatsoever shall be given you) in that hour, that speak ye: for it is (not ye )that speak, but the (Holy Ghost).

Premediate:Plan beforehand, to plan in advance, ponder something

Praising Him for His Mercy and Grace.

Shalom
---char on 12/12/12




Jan4378
Thankyou. That is perfectly O.K. We are allowed to disagree here. This site is not, I am sure, a place where we can hope to bully people into agreeing with all we say but to exchange thoughts an beliefs and sometimes learn from each other.

We will never all agree (not in this world anyway).
---Rita_H on 12/12/12


To Mark_V: No need to apologize. I can tell the difference between such as German, Spanish, French, Japanese., and the unknown utterance by the Holy Spirit. Tongues are not strictly of learned utterance, or tongue strictly of unlearned utterance. But rather tongues are recognized in the unlearned utterance by the change in the sounds. Like the change that can be recognized in learned utterance when a speaker goes from German to Spanish. So one who speaks in an unlearned tongue can also speak in more than one tongue which would make it tongues.

How the Spirit of God tells me each sound (speaking in tongues) is no different than how he tells me what to say in the learned English (interpretation).
---jan4378 on 12/12/12


difference between the word "Tongues" (plural) which means languages from other countries, and "Tongue" (singular) which is gibberish, no language from any country.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/12

You have stated this before but where does this opinion come from?

My Greek studies indicate that the word used for tongue and tongues in 1 Cor 12 and 1 Cor 14 is the same Greek word "glossa".

There is no difference in the word or in its usage. Both usages indicate an unknown language to the speaker and possibly the audience.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/12/12


Jan, the reason I asked you was because I thought you knew difference between the word "Tongues" (plural) which means languages from other countries, and "Tongue" (singular) which is gibberish, no language from any country. I thought you knew that already, so I was trying to make out what you were talking about, and how you could know what "gibberish" meant, and how the Spirit tells you each sound. Sorry for asking the question.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/12


Adetunji to Jan4378: It is the Holy Spirit that gives somebody the gift of tongues that also gives the meaning of the "gibberish as you call it" to someone in the vicinity(at the time when) where the tongue is being spoken.
The speaking & the explanation is the HS's business.


I do not use the word "gibberish" to refer to speaking in tongues. The below comes from Mark_V.

Can you tell us how it is possible for you to interpret Gibberish?" Since gibberish is not a language of any nation? How do you know what is been said?
---Mark_V. on 12/9/12

My name follows to indicate I posted this to inform you.
---jan4378 on 12/12/12


Jan, we know that the word "tongues" means languages from a perticular country, And also know that the word "tongue" singular (gibberish) is not a langauge from any country. So how can you interpret gibberish when someone is speaking gibberish? And when you interpret gibberish, only you know what it means, and only you understand it no one else does? How do you edify yourself when someone else speaks gibberish? What happens to you?
There is sounds to gibberish speaking, how does the Holy Spirit identify each sound to you so that you know what someone is saying?
---Mark_V. on 12/12/12


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Jan4378: It is the Holy Spirit that gives somebody the gift of tongues that also gives the meaning of the "gibberish as you call it" to someone in the vicinity(at the time when) where the tongue is being spoken.
The speaking & the explanation is the HS's business.
---Adetunji on 12/10/12


Mark_V:Jan, you answered The Seg with:A:I have also interpreted when I have spoken utterance by the Holy Spirit."

Can you tell us how it is possible for you to interpret Gibberish?" Since gibberish is not a language of any nation? How do you know what is been said?
A:I will tell you, since you asked me. I am not a translator of a known human language. According to 1Corinth.14:14,13 the Holy Spirit who gives the utterance, will also give the interpretation of it when requested. Such is for my own edification. It is along the same lines as is given to me "the word of wisdom", "the word of knowledge", "discerning of spirits" 1Corinth.12:8,10 which occur while I am speaking in HS utterance.
---jan4378 on 12/9/12


Rita_H: We should never forget that Satan has gifts on offer also and can deceive us. Beware.

A:I respectfully disagree. There is no scriptural support for such a statement concerning Holy Spirit utterance/speaking in tongues.

Luke 11:9-13 assures that we get what we ask for, from whom we ask it.
---jan4378 on 12/9/12


Jan, you answered The Seg with:


Have you ever met anyone who can interpret, what is being said by those who say they speak in tongues?

A:Yes I have. I have also interpreted when I have spoken utterance by the Holy Spirit."


Can you tell us how it is possible for you to interpret Gibberish?" Since gibberish is not a language of any nation? How do you know what is been said?
---Mark_V. on 12/9/12


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Have you ever attended, a church which seems to be run by a family where husband is pastor, wife is deputy pastor, brother is men's leader, sister-in-law is ladies' leader, son-in-law is youth leader etc. etc? all paid positions.

I've known a few but never been a member of any like that. It isn't good for all members to be answerable to a whole lot of relatives.

These people are usually very intrustive in the persanal lives of their members and will often feel they have the right to tell boys which girls they can date etc.

The reason I've made this a question within this question is because EVERYONE of the churches like this that I know of really emphasise the necessity for every member to speak in tongues.
---Rita_H on 12/8/12


e.lee7537 on 12/6/12: I see far too many problems with the tongues movement For one thing there appears to be far too much sexual immorality among those that promote tongue speaking - the Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, etc.

A: If you can provide a scripture verse that states that speaking in tongues causes or prevents sexual immorality.. you'd have a valid reason to base your being against it.

What do you say is the blame for those of other denominations that engage in sexual immorality?
---jan4378 on 12/8/12


Theseq

These things are good - yes.

These things are of God - yes.

However, they are not 'the gifts of the spirit' which were being referred to by the questioner nor are they what people mean when we refer to being 'baptised by the Holy Spirit' or 'filled with the Spirit'.

Millions of people of all religions or no religion at all have these talents (and they are still God given but they don't realise it) but this question refers to specific gifts.

I think that most here know this but many seem to enjoy turning a decent question into an argument - for some unknown reason.
---Rita_H on 12/8/12


TheSeg on 12/6/12 to jan4378
Have you ever met anyone who can interpret, what is being said by those who say they speak in tongues?

A:Yes I have. I have also interpreted when I have spoken utterance by the Holy Spirit.

TheSeg: 1Co_14:5, 13, 27.

A:Interpretation of tongues is equivalent to prophecy.

TheSeg: Because! 1Co_14:28.

A:I have also kept the utterance to myself when in church.
---jan4378 on 12/8/12


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shira4368 on 12/6/12 to jan, I have no clue what you are talking about.
A:I don't know what that statement pertains to either.
shira:if you want to speak in tongues you go right ahead.
A:Thank you, I've been speaking in tongues for a number of years.
shira:but don't try to make me feel less than spiritual because I don't and I don't want to either.
A:I'm here to answer questions about it. That's all.
shira:Paul did speak more tongues than any but like I said, he spoke 5 languages.
A:What 5 languages were they?
PS:some lines removed to make it post.
---jan4378 on 12/8/12


shira4368 on 12/6/12:let me ask you Jan, what are your gifts.
A:Speaking from 1Cor 12:4-11, The Lord has used me in "word of wisdom", "word of knowledge", "discerning of spirits"- I've been aware when angels and demons were near.
A:I have done art also. Discovering it when in highschool. My profession is hairstyling.
A:I enjoy singing with others in the church choir. I have sung lead in a trio for church.
A:Many people sit with me in church too. I also did puppet shows for kids in Sunday school. And led in Bible studies and prayer time.
A:I have received insight from God's word as well, and endeavor to share it so others are blessed.
---jan4378 on 12/8/12


Rita_H and shira4368 is not God a Spirit?
And are not all good things from God?
So are art and music not good things.

Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
These are also gifts.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Just saying I thank God for it all!
That is to say for us all
God bless, Peace
---TheSeg on 12/7/12


rita, I didnt say art and music are gifts of the spirit. I know what the "fruits of the Spirit" are. I dont need u telling me what talents are.
---shira4368 on 12/7/12


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shira4368
Talents such as painting and drawing are not listed amongst the gifts of the Spirit. They are still gifts from God but they are not the type of gifs that this blog is discussing. They come in a totally different category and, again, different people will have different talents for which we should all thank God but we should not confuse them with 'The gifts of the Holy Spirit'.
---Rita_H on 12/7/12


The Holy Spirit is in every person who has been TRULY saved. Those who say that tongues is the only sign that the Holy Spirit is in us are always people who speak in tongues - most of whom are puffed up with pride because of this.

Most tongues users use them in a way which is against scripture ie. publicly without an interpreter.

I know only one person who, on receiving the gift of speaking in tongues immediately had a friend who could interpret them. They received this gift together.This same lady once had a missionary staying in her home and he told her that her tongues language was his own language.

We should never forget that Satan has gifts on offer also and can deceive us. Beware.
---Rita_H on 12/7/12


The Lord Jesus Christ Himself, the full measure of the Holy Spirit was never reported to have prayed in the presence of others in foreign or unclear tongue or language. There is no rule of men attached to speaking in tongues. It is one of the WAYS God/Jesus manifests Himself for His own purpose (not the will or interest of man) in the life of a believer. Human terms & conditions may not apply.
---Adetunji on 12/7/12


Judy, all believers are spirit filled. All are indwelled by the Spirit, all are born of the Spirit, all are baptized into one body, all are sealed by the Spirit, and all become one body in Christ. This is the work of God. Gifts are given differently. God would not give a gift that would cause someone to sin. Tongues is languages. Paul spoke in languages, so did many others. The Corinthians abused the gift of tongues, by introducing gibberish tongue, to show boat or boast they had something others did not, it was a fake gift they were showing. Paul spoke against them when he introduced (1 Cor. 13) the chapter of Love.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/12


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So, jan4378
Have you ever met anyone who can interpret, what is being said by those who say they speak in tongues?

1Co_14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1Co_14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

1Co_14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course, and let one interpret.

Because!
1Co_14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church, and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Peace
---TheSeg on 12/6/12


jan, I have no clue what you are talking about. I have been saved for 60 years and I don't speak in tongues. I have a good friend on cn who does but thats fine if she does. I DON'T. if you want to speak in tongues you go right ahead but don't try to make me feel less than spiritual because I don't and I don't want to either. Paul did speak more tongues than any but like I said, he spoke 5 languages.
---shira4368 on 12/6/12


I never said anyone had to wait years before being filled with the spirit. let me ask you Jan, what are your gifts. I have several gifts...one is I never meet a stranger...two is I have a God given talent to do art. I paint with oils, watercolors and colored pencil. I didn't even have to go to school..God gave it to me. the third one is music. God gave me the ability to harmonize with anyone..yes, God gave me these talents. when we have a visitor in my church I always go meet them and sit with them and many times they will come sit with me. I have ask God for wisdom and many times I see things that others don't see. there are more but I would like to hear yours.
---shira4368 on 12/6/12


If you are spirit filled and you have the gifts, do you have to speak in tongues?
---Judy on 10/10/12
Enquiring minds want to know:

If speaking in tongues is the one sign of having received the holy spirit, how do you then know when a person who is speech impaired ( dumb) has received the holy spirit?
---francis on 10/13/12

A: It is not the one sign. It was an indication however to Peter that the gentiles had received the same as the Jews Acts 2:4. That would indicate that those who already have it can recognize when others do.

I should think that would answer your hypothetical question.
---jan4378 on 12/6/12


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Q: Can someone tell me? Because someone said: You are not baptized in the Holy Ghost if you do not speak in tongues.---TheSeg on 10/12/12
A: You cannot speak in tongues without being baptized in/filled with the Holy Spirit. It is what might usually happen after salvation which is Biblically termed "baptized in the name of the Jesus". The Holy Spirit is involved but salvation alone does not result in speaking in tongues. Unless the two events are taught together to the unsaved seeker.
Since there are so many who've been saved that come into the hearing of availability of speaking in tongues, the events happen separately.
---jan4378 on 12/6/12


There are some today that have experienced speaking in tongues but either have outgrown this children thing, or they have denounced it as being something not of God's Spirit.

I see far too many problems with the tongues movement that make me really question the legitimacy of some with the experience. For one thing there appears to be far too much sexual immorality among those that promote tongue speaking - the Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, etc. crowds.
---e.lee7537 on 12/6/12


Rita_H: From where did this desire come which has lead the masses to feel inferior if they do not speak in tongues.
A: that is what I'd like to know.

Rita_H: Speaking in tongues is not mandatory for the baptism in the Holy Spirit to be real.
A: You are confusing being baptized into Christ aka, baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. That is only speaking of being born again.

Rita_H: Satan confuses and wants to destroy our joy in being Chistians. He doesn't need a helping hand from us.
A: that is exactly right and true. I use inclusive verses to encourage believers that God is no respecter of persons.
---jan4378 on 12/6/12


shira4368: If you got to be annointed to pray in tongues,
A: the apostle Paul said its by will not by anointing.

shira4368: when I got saved I was full of the Holy Spirit and I have had prayers answered.
A: I pray in English too.

shira4368: I didn't know you had to wait for years to be full of the spirit.
A: it's according to one's faith.

shira4368: guess I am not understanding all this.
A: perhaps.
---jan4378 on 12/6/12


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shira4368: jan4379, where in the world did you come up with speaking tongues is always before other spiritual gifts?? -11/23/12

There are many scriptures. Mark 16:17, Luke 11:11-13, John 4:23-24, Acts 8:14-18, 10:44-46, 11:15-18, 19:1-6.

shira4368: paul spoke many languages. -11/23/12

Paul stated in 1Cor 14:18 that he spoke in tongues more than they all. That is a different statement than saying that he spoke in many languages.

shira4368: I have spiritual gifts and I have never spoken another language. -11/23/12

Perhaps you could state what spiritual gift you have. It certainly can't be 1Cor 12:10.
---jan4378 on 12/6/12


Legends, what you said is very sound indeed. It is about languages. Any other form of tongue is only gibberish, and that is not a language. Tongues is different languages and we are told that in Acts After Pentacost when the Spirit came to all believers. It might have sound as gibberish to those who did not understand the language but not to those who understood the language from their country.
Shira, I also agree with you. When a person is born of God, he is spiritually baptized into one body in Christ and is indwelled by the Spirit. A believer can ask God to give him the Spirit, but the Spirit is already within him if he is saved already. No one gets two Spirits.
---Mark_V. on 11/24/12


8 For to one is given by the Spirit.. wisdom, to another.. knowledge

9 To another.. faith to another the gifts of healing

10 To another.. miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another divers kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

thank God that he has given me wisdom to know that those who speak in 'tongues' do so because they can't fake the other signs of the spirit
---mike on 11/23/12


Jan4378 - Where does the bible say that speaking in tongues opens the doorway to other spiritual gifts?


God gives His gifts to whom He chooses. I know of no verse which says that first He gives the gift of tongues and, after that, He gives other gifts.

From where did this desire come which has lead the masses to feel inferior if they do not speak in tongues.

Speaking in tongues is not mandatory for the baptism in the Holy Spirit to be real.

Satan confuses and wants to destroy our joy in being Chistians. He doesn't need a helping hand from us.
---Rita_H on 11/23/12


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jan4379, where in the world did you come up with speaking tongues is always before other spiritual gifts?? paul spoke many languages. I don't know you came up with that one. please show scripture. I have spiritual gifts and I have never spoken another language.
---shira4368 on 11/23/12


Speaking in tongues is the doorway to the spiritual gifts. It takes speaking in tongues to operate in the others, as God wills to give them.

The apostle Paul is an excellent example. He prayed in tongues abundantly. And he also got revelations to share with the body of believers he had charge of.
---jan4378 on 11/22/12


wow, now let me ask a question. If you got to be annointed to pray in tongues, I guess the majority of people who are saved just don't get their prayers off the ground. when I got saved I was full of the Holy Spirit and I have had prayers answered. I didn't know you had to wait for years to be full of the spirit. I don't think I would enjoy a salvation that was so confining. guess I am not understanding all this.
---shira4368 on 10/17/12


how dare anyone to challenge the english versions!
---aka on 10/16/12


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---Legends on 10/15/12 "
"Languages" means the exact same thing."

Your exhortation is noted, and your advice is sound.
The Version has created much trouble in many areas, but the issue of "tongues" is a real fly in the oinment.

Devout and faithful linguists state that what is frequently passed off as "tongues", to them is unrecognizable and follows no known gramatical patterns. To them, and most who are unfamiliar with the modern Charismatics, is is gibberish.

With the passing of languages into the unseen, until a future time when they serve their purpose, all such exhibitions are counterfeits, regardless the sincerity and insistence.
---Phil on 10/16/12


Can we back up and start any conversation about TONGUES by not saying the Old English word "tongues". "Languages" means the exact same thing.
Using the word, languages, will help prevent weird interpretations regarding this subject without adding to or taking anything away from the original meaning.
"Tongues" conveys a weird, spooky perception mainly due to more than a few weird/spooky people's interpretation of the gift of languages and why God gave/gives that particular gift.
Paul stated, I thank God I speak in languages more than you all.
Saying it this way bothers some because it SEEMS to dismiss the supernatural element. Not true! This was/is a spiritual GIFT. it's given not learned or worked for!
---Legends on 10/15/12


God gives His gifts to whom He chooses. He will give one gift to one person and another gift to a different person.

The bible does not say that tongues is the most important of the gifts of the Holy Spirit but to hear some charismatic Christians one would think that the bible says that you are not saved if you cannot speak in tongues. The bible says no such thing.
---Rita_H on 10/14/12


Do you have speak in tongues to be a Christain?

Where in the Bible say you are saved by speeking in tongues?
---Thomas on 10/14/12


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"If you are spirit filled and you have the gifts, do you have to speak in tongues?"
No " tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers,..." 1Cr 14:22 NKJV
---josef on 10/14/12


Francis An interesting question. This isn't really an answer to your question but I find it interesting too. I had friends who said they began seeing words in tongues in dreams or as they prayed before they ever spoke in tongues. To me that was unusual but God does work in wonderous ways many times so with God its possible. Besides the people were very honest and commited to God.
---Darlene_1 on 10/13/12


If you are spirit filled and you have the gifts, do you have to speak in tongues?
---Judy on 10/10/12
Enquiring minds want to know:

If speaking in tongues is the one sign of having received the holy spirit, how do you then know when a person who is speech impaired ( dumb) has received the holy spirit?
---francis on 10/13/12


Can someone tell me?
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

So is Jesus baptized with water, The Holy Ghost or both?

Did Jesus speak in Tongues?
Because someone said: You are not baptized in the Holy Ghost if you do not speak in tongues.
Well then, was Jesus Christ baptized in the Holy Ghost?

Just sayin!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/12/12


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Judy, Darlene is right. I actually believe that the Gift of Tongues is given to those of us who are intercessors. Praying in tongues is different than the prophesying in Tongues and interpreting tongues. Two different things.

You can have some of the other Gifts without having the Gift of Tongues.
---anon on 10/12/12


I've written this before before but for some who don't understand about tongues it bears repeating. The Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the manifestation of tongues is not the same as the Gift of Tongues which needs interpretation. I was saved at 11 years old,I didn't receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost with tongues until in my early 20s,salvation isn't based on tongues. It was about 20 years after that when I received the Gift of Tongues with interpretation. Salvation experience 1Corinthians 12:3-no one can say"Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit. Gift of HG,14:2 For anyone who speaks in tongues does not speak to men but to God. Gift of tongues 14:13-anyone who speaks in tongues pray he may interpret what he says.
---Darlene_1 on 10/12/12


1 Corinthians 12:10 - TO another the working of miracles, to another discerning of spirit , to another divers kind of tongues, to another THE INTERPRETATION OF TONGUES.

( When the speaking in tongues was done in the NT - there was someone there to Interpret Tongues - If this was be done today it would adding to the word of God - and goes against Revelation 22,19 )
---RichardC on 10/12/12


1Cor.14, 2-4 speaks of it's purpose. Edification (spiritual growth) as in 1John2,20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. This comes only with constant surrender. Unsurrendered areas of your life will leave gaps in your understanding. I am not trying to offend, just explain. GOD loves us all the same. The blood of Jesus is the equalizer, please don't judge one another by denominations. Denomination= separation. Paul went into cities and established "one church" at a time, not denominations.
---jc on 10/12/12


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//Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
---KarenD on 10/10/12

let's continue in context:
Act 2:6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.
Act 2:7 And they were amazed and astonished, saying, "Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
Act 2:8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?

IN OTHER WORDS, how are Galileans speaking our different languages or "tongues."
---aka on 10/12/12


1 Corinthians 13:8 - "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail, whether there be tongues, they shall cease, whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away."

1 Corinthians 14:22 "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.", 34,35 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
---christan on 10/11/12


The spiritual graces of Corinthians no longer operate. They were evidence of the Kingdom of God being at hand, and His return to His people.

This failed to occur, and Israel rejected the offer of the Kingdom.

When the secret of the joint body of Christ was prophetically revealed by Paul, our apostle, the need for spiritual graces was superceded by the new creation in Christ.

It was God shifting the emphasis from the His Son's earthly suzerainty, to the spiritual and celestial realm where He is seated with His Father at His right hand.

Other than evangelists, pastors and teachers, no other graces are present today.

Their abides faith, expectation and love, these three.
---Phil on 10/11/12


a question of tongues and tithing, the two most divisive topics in the bible that brings the same exact answers by many people...

by someone who has no input. traffic must be slow on CNet.
---aka on 10/10/12


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darlene, bless your heart. you are truly a blessed lady. I will tell you I have been in many baptist churches and most were cold with no spirit. I call them ready for the cemetary because they are dead. they go thru the motions if someone can get them worked up. I love my little church because the Holy Spirit shows up on a regular basis. it took me a long time to find my church and it is twenty miles from my apt. we have teens in our church who sing and one of them would get full and she would stop singing but she is 20 and she is on fire for the Lord. love you sweet friend.
---shira_4368 on 10/10/12


Im not denying people can speak in tongues!
But as I read what happened on the day of Pentecost, I find it slightly odd or even a bit weird.

Now I know not everybody understood what was being said, because some said:
These men are full of new wine. Act 2:13
So I guess they heard what I hear. Sorry but true.

But I also find that other understood clearly the things being said.
How hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Act 2:8

So why is it today when people say their speaking in tongues?
No one understands whats being said, even one to the other.

Why can't you understand anyone or anyone you?
There is no clarity?
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/10/12


What kind of a "gift" is speaking in a language that no one understands? (except for it's theatrical effect)
Jesus,our exemplar, did not engage in this kind of exhibition!
---1st_cliff on 10/10/12


I attend a denominational church where the denomination says that "the evidence of being baptised in the Holy Spirit is the speaking in tongues".

First, I cannot find this in the Bible anywhere. There are many verses on tongues but nowhere does it say "evidence" or anything like that. Also, speaking in tongues is described as a gift and as others have said here, many people do not get this gifting.

Second, if it is the "evidence", why do I know people with real HS power in their lives that do not speak in tongues?

Third, because God gives the gifts and we do not control what gifts are given to us, this gift cannot be the "evidence" of anything except we have received this gift.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/10/12


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Shira its ok to disagree I still love you my precious friend. Look again no where did I say that the Holy Spirit wouldn't minister in church and to the people without tongues. I belonged to a Baptist church and we did feel what I call the move of the HS or anointing,our Pastor even asked who all has been on a Spiritual high today and nearly everyone there raised their hands. I also didn't say one can't receive the Holy Spirit in their hearts when saved without tongues. I'm not talking about that,I was just repeating what the Bible says about the Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost that there were tongues when it was given to the 120 in the Upper Room and urged the person to seek their answer in the Bible.
---Darlene_1 on 10/10/12


darlene, love you very much but I do dissagree with you about tongues. I have been filled with the spirit many times..well, maybe not many but I have been in services and the Holy Spirit was so thick but no one spoke in tongues. when God saved me, the Holy Spirit came to live in me. I can prove to you the gift of "tongues" is foreighn language. the bible tells us many were gathered and heard in their own language. that is a miracle to say the least. darlene, still love you.
---shira4368 on 10/10/12


First, Judy, there is no such word as "u". Please do not use text speech.

Next, Balaam's ass spoke in a language she had never spoken in before, either. Did it change anything in her soul?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/12


The Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost is what empowers us to serve in the other Gifts from God. Read Acts 2:1-4 you will see it is the Holy Ghost who gives utterance of tongues in man and that is how God gave His followers in Acts the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Its up to you to search the Bible for your answer to learn from God's Word if He quit doing it that way in the Bible. I am not sure what gifts you mean that you have. Focus on the Lord first,learn the Bible,pray,praise and worship the Lord,even outloud when alone in your prayer time. God created mankind for fellowship with Him and as you draw nearer to God you will be enlightened by God not man on the things you seek to know,seek and you shall find,knock and it will be opened to you.
---Darlene_1 on 10/10/12


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The Bible does not directly say that every person who is filled with the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues. But why might a number of people really not want tongues? It involves being moved miraculously by the Holy Spirit to perfectly speak another language in the exact words the Holy Spirit has us speaking. And this can develop us so we do this in our own language. There are people who do not want to be so perfectly guided, at every moment. So, these can be spiritually against such a blessing and ability.
---willie_c: on 10/10/12


Read 1 Corinthians 12-14. No place in those chapters does Paul say that any of the Spiritual gifts were given to ALL believers. He says to some...Everybody receives a Spiritual gift, but we all don't get the same gifts.

Speaking in tongues is NOT mandatory for anything.

We don't receive every Spiritual gift.

Be grateful for whatever gift you receive, and focus on using it for the building up of the Body of Christ.
---Trish on 10/10/12


Speaking in tongues is the first sign of being filled with the Holy Ghost. You are not baptized in the Holy Ghost if you do not speak in tongues. Acts 2:4

"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
---KarenD on 10/10/12


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