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Do We Need To Tithe

Is the 10% tithe still mandatory, or was it only to support the Levitical priesthood? If we do not give mandatory tithe are we under a curse as it says in Malachi?or are we to give as the Spirit leads us with a cheerful heart and not under compulsion?

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Deuteronomy 14:27 (KJV)
27And the Levite that is within thy gates, thou shalt not forsake him, for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

Deuteronomy 14:29 (KJV)
29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,)...

Here you go francis talking about what the Bible says, yet where does the Bible say to tithe money or from income or to take it to a church?
---Gary on 10/27/12


The Levites received the tithe, not because they were to be full-time Temple workers, but because they could not own land.
---Gary on 10/27/12

That is somehow not the way the bible put's it. the bible does not say that they get the tithe because they did not own land. Here is what the bible says:

Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

"for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation."
---francis on 10/27/12


The Levites received the tithe, not because they were to be full-time Temple workers, but because they could not own land.

The extra-biblical writings are full of stories of rabbis, Levites and even high priests working other jobs for a living. The rabbis who ran the synagogues did it for free and came from all tribes.

Levites were also the money-changers. They sold tithed animals back to worshippers to be used for sacrifices.

This is not hidden information. All reputable church historians know it.
---Gary on 10/27/12


No where does it say levites could not farm, or be carpenters on the side.

the land given to the Levites was not for farming as a means to earn wages, which was the major economic occupation in the day, it was a small piece of land that they could build a house and raise a few animals, none of which was for commercial value

Their salary came from tithes, for the service which they did in the temple/ tabernacle, / sanctuary
Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.
---francis on 10/27/12


Lets not forget that levites also worked in the cities and town
---francis on 10/26/12

Right - the Levites actually had regular jobs the rest of the time.

As far as one years salary for two weeks total work at the Temple - the tithe was their INHERITANCE. Not just for working at the Temple.
---Gary on 10/26/12




The Levites did not work fulltime in ministry. They worked ONE WEEK out of every 24 weeks at the Temple ON A ROTATION system.
---Gary on 10/26/12

AMEN, what a blessing
once per week and got a whole years wages

You do realize that 12 tribes were waorking to support ONE tribe, and that for all first bornes on the other tribes a fee had to be paid to the levites?

That was a blessing from God

Lets not forget that levites also worked in the cities and town
---francis on 10/26/12


So anyone who is FULLTME in ministry, it does not have to be a priest or pastor
---francis on 10/25/12

The Levites did not work fulltime in ministry. They worked ONE WEEK out of every 24 weeks at the Temple ON A ROTATION system.

The priests also worked ONE WEEK out of every 24 weeks at the Temple.

See First Chronicles 24 for the priests and chapters 25 and 26 for the Levites.
---Gary on 10/26/12


Francis: Thanks for that enlightenment, that the singers were Levites.
---Adetunji on 10/26/12


One cannot "give mandatory tithe" today, because the temple is gone, which is one reason the Talmud was written.
---Rod4Him on 10/26/12
Tithing existed before the temple
---francis on 10/26/12


//Is the 10% tithe still mandatory, or was it only to support the Levitical priesthood?//

It was for the "The Levite,... and the alien, the orphan and the widow who are in your town,...in order that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do."

//If we do not give mandatory tithe are we under a curse as it says in Malachi?//

One cannot "give mandatory tithe" today, because the temple is gone, which is one reason the Talmud was written.

//or are we to give as the Spirit leads us with a cheerful heart and not under compulsion?//

It should never have been out of compulsion, and yes, "as the Spirit leads..with a cheerful heart."
---Rod4Him on 10/26/12




Give as Christ tells us!Malachi 3:10 Where is that store house today? Look at Matt 25 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? And the King shall answer and say unto them,Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.Go help a homeless person ! It's essential to your salvation!
---J_Marc on 10/25/12


---Adetunji on 10/25/12

we need to figure out who ( WHAT TRIBE) these singers came from

1 Chronicles 9:33 And these [are] the singers, chief of the fathers of the Levites,

1 Chronicles 15:16 And David spake to the chief of the Levites to appoint their brethren [to be] the singers


So these were levites

and the tithe goes to:
Numbers 18:21 the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

So anyone who is FULLTME in ministry, it does not have to be a priest or pastor
---francis on 10/25/12


King David commissioned praise singers of God to stay in the temple and to be taken care of from the tithes that come into the temple, God was not annoyed with this. This shows tithing and the use of it is not a static command but a dynamic one, Nehemiah 13:5.
---Adetunji on 10/25/12


i think tithing is a question of attitude and gratitude to God.this says a lot about the person
---mj on 10/25/12


Paul the apostle to the Gentiles for this present dispensation of Grace does not mention tithing but says a great deal about Christian giving. Romans 15:25,26, 1 Corinthians 9:7-14, 16:1-3, 2 Corinthians chapters 8 & 9, Galatians 6:6-10, Philippians 4:10-19, 1 Timothy 5:9-18.

WHO is to give to the Lords work? The Christian! He gives systematically, sacrificially, and joyfully. TO WHOM does he give? To Christ! FOR WHAT does he give? For the cause of Christ! NOT to a man or to a church, not for gain, but for the Gospel.
---michael_e on 10/24/12


This is a dead giveaway where the tithe was used. In Israel for the Levites. So a legitimate tithe would have to be sent to Israel
---michael_e on 10/22/12
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

We who are not jews by nature are grafted into a very very jewish tree

Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?

as a christian i cannot seperate myself from israel
---francis on 10/23/12


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So a legitimate tithe would have to be sent to Israel
---michael_e on 10/22/12

Not exactly, Michael. The tithe would have to COME FROM Israel, not go to Israel. It had to COME FROM the land of Israel, or animals raised on the land of Israel. Can't COME FROM the United States, etc.
---Gary on 10/23/12


The Lord ordained it.
---francis on 10/22/12

Exactly WHAT did the Lord ordain, Francis? A tithe FROM THE LAND OF ISRAEL. Not money. Not from income. Not from land in the US or anywhere other than Israel.

Exactly WHERE did the Lord command His tithe to be taken? To a church? NO. TO THE LEVITES.
---Gary on 10/23/12


Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the TENTH IN ISRAEL for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

This is a dead giveaway where the tithe was used. In Israel for the Levites. So a legitimate tithe would have to be sent to Israel
---michael_e on 10/22/12


---michael_e on 10/22/12

The Lord ordained it. You now look to see where THE LORD and not Paul ordainded it:

1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Now where or where did God ordain such a thing?

Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.
---francis on 10/22/12


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No.
It was also used to support the poor, some of it was used to buy nice things for oneself, and part of it was spent on a party.
The Priests were cursed in Malachi because they short changed the Levites out of their share.
Yes, with a caveat, Many people do not hear the Lord very well when it comes to giving. Note: Jesus spent a great deal of time on this subject. Please see 1Corinthians chapter 2, (especially 16).
---Glenn on 10/22/12


//1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

So the tithe goes to those who do such work.//
notice where Paul mentions the tithe
---michael_e on 10/22/12


The tribe of Levi and modern day preachers are not the same.
So Blenderize that
---michael_e on 10/21/12

I could have been ANY tribe
Notice how paul phrases it:
1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

So the tithe goes to those who do such work. Initialy in the bible, this work should have gone to the first born of every tribe not judt the levites
---francis on 10/22/12


The tribe of Levi and modern day preachers are not the same.
So Blenderize that
---michael_e on 10/21/12

How about if they wear a yarmulke...
---Phil on 10/22/12


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1 Cor 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
I wonder how many times Paul mentioned tithing in his Gospel.
He did mention we under grace not law(tithing) Paul won't back your belief in tithing.

The storehouse mentioned in verse 10 is not a local church but a storage bin or silo in the Jewish temple where the grain from the Hebrews tithes was stored (2 Chron 31:4-12).

The tribe of Levi and modern day preachers are not the same.
So Blenderize that
---michael_e on 10/21/12


--francis on 10/20/12 "Now where or where did God ordain such a thing?"

The Lord did, not His Father. See Lk 10:3-7.

Jesus was commissioned to Israel. He was God's channel to them. He is our Saviour.

Your application of Mal 3:10 to the Levites is correct, though.

It does not apply to us, who never had the law given to us.
---Phil on 10/20/12


---michael_e on 10/20/12
Let ne show you how Malachi fits in:

1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Now where or where did God ordain such a thing?

Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

How does Malachi fit in?
Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house,

So that the levities just as those who are full time in minstry can LIFE OF THE GOSPEL

So dispensation that
---francis on 10/20/12


This use of the Malachi passage is a good example of Scripture being taken out of its historical and dispensational context. This whole nation in verse 9 is the backslidden nation of Israel, NOT the present day church (Malachi 1:1, 3:6). They were under the law of Moses as a system of conditional blessing. Believers today are not under the law but under grace (Romans 6:14). As such we have already been blessed by God with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ (Ephesians 1:3) and are under a system of unconditional blessing with grace on the throne (Romans 5:21).
---michael_e on 10/20/12


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Placing someone under a required system of tithing and offering is like ignoring the redemption of Christ and placing the church back under a curse of the law.

Those living under liberty and grace cannot be placed under a curse (Gal 5:1). ---michael_e on 10/20/12

The curse only comes to hose who do not tithe:
Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Malachi 3:9 Ye [are] cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, [even] this whole nation.

Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse,
---francis on 10/20/12


Placing someone under a required system of tithing and offering is like ignoring the redemption of Christ and placing the church back under a curse of the law.

Those living under liberty and grace cannot be placed under a curse (Gal 5:1). Mandatory tithing is not a practice for the church, the Body of Christ. Those who teach tithing are either ignorant of Pauls instructions or are mishandling the word of truth (Titus 1:11).
---michael_e on 10/20/12


"If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to my name," says the Lord of hosts, "then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings, and indeed, I have curse them already, because you are not taking it to heart [Malachi 2:2]....The storehouse, contrary to much popular preaching on the subject, is not the local church [which in no sense was in existence at that time or the subject of prophecy]. It is fine to give to the local church. Each believer is independently accountable to God for the allotment of the money God entrusts to him. [Can refer to a nation, too]
---pat on 10/20/12


Matthew 23:23 teaches Believers tithing is in effect. The truth is not one word in the NT abolishes tithing. As Hebrews 7 teaches the Lord Jesus is the High Priest of Believers, tithing to the Levites ended and started going to Christs ministers the spiritual Levites.

If you argue against the Lord Jesus then why do you call him master? The Lord asked why call me Lord when you do not do as I say?

So why do modern day Christians pretend to be ignorant of the clear messages in Matthew 23:23 and reject the Lord Jesus as their high priest?
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/20/12


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Mike, That's just it. If one loves GOD they will GLADLY give Tithes and Offerings of their sustenance for the sake of GOD's Kingdom Work on Earth. I don't see how it would be a problem for the giving of Tithes and Offerings to be expected by GOD if one really loves GOD. For, then, they would be GLAD to obey GOD and give. The REAL problem is that, people don't want to give to GOD's Kingdom Work, because their hearts are not really in it. Plus, some are so in debt, they don't see HOW they can give. Still, others just want to spend their money on THEMSELVES and on those in their own little sphere of the World.
---Gordon on 10/20/12


I find it ironic that when the church say that we do not give mandatory, you are quoted verses like 'if you don't give to god you are robbing him (guilt, fear) or money will shower from heaven. do you think that is giving a 'cheerful' heart? NO. give bec. you realize the goodness given to YOU not out of fear, shame, guilt.
tithe has been controversial.
---mike on 10/19/12


Many Christian churches preach tithing as a means of supporting the work of the Lord today. There are many variations of this theme. Some pay the local church one tenth of their income after taxes and bills are paid, some pay before. Others demand tithing on unemployment, inheritance, gifts, tax refunds, social security and even gambling winnings. The tithing issue has caused a great deal of strife and division in our churches over the years.

2Tim 2:15 right division would eliminate this reason for division
---michael_e on 10/19/12


---Gordon on 10/19/12

Death is a "return". The dust receives the body, from where it came.

The spirit returns to God, from where it came.

And the soul returns to sheol or hades, from where it came.

The is no life beyond death. Satan created that lie in Gn 3:4 " And the serpent saith unto the woman, 'Dying, ye do not die"

God said "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Everyone dies, no one is alive during death, Christ is the Resurrection. Do not take His glory away from Him.

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto,
---Phil on 10/19/12


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Phil, I said nothing about the resurrection of the Saints ever having occurred. The Third Heaven is a WAITING PLACE for the souls of those Saints who've passed on until the day that GOD reunites their souls with their resurrected bodies. And, where, then, do YOU believe, do these living souls go when they die, if not onto Heaven above? Do you believe that they just "soul-sleep"? If so, then WHERE do their souls "sleep" while awaiting the resurrection? Do they "soul-sleep" in ROTTING CORPSES?? Is THAT how GOD treats the souls of HIS beloved Saints??
---Gordon on 10/19/12


The Saints go straight up to the Third Heaven to await 'til they dwell forever on the New Earth.
---Gordon on 10/16/12

1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience, which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus,

Who concerning the truth have erred, SAYING THAT THE RESURRECTION IS PAST ALREADY, and overthrow the faith of some.

All saints go to sheol at death. Unless you follow the above teachers.
---Phil on 10/18/12


No, Phil. No true, Blood-covered, repentant and obedient Saint goes to Hell. The Paradise side of Hell that existed at one time (as per LUKE 16's Rich Man and Lazarus Story) has gone up to the Third Heaven where GOD's Throne is. For, the Third Heaven is not the Ultimate Heaven that the saints will dwell in forever. The Saints will dwell on the New Earth within the Holy City of the New Jerusaelm (REVELATION 21:1-2). The Damned go straight to Hell at Death. The Saints go straight up to the Third Heaven to await 'til they dwell forever on the New Earth.
---Gordon on 10/16/12


---Gordon on 10/15/12 "The REAL "Israel" are GOD's people. HIS people throughout all the ages."

Ultimately, what you say, will be true. All people that have ever lived and died will become "His people, for He is the Saviour of all men, specially them which believe. 1Ti 4:10

But, because He swore an oath, and God keeps His word, Israel will fulfill His plan to make them superior over all the nations on the physical earth.Dt 28:1-13

It matters not what God is doing with us, the body of Christ. We are saved by grace and faith, apart from Israel

As to "hell", yes, every saint goes to sheol at death, to remain there until the resurrection.
---Phil on 10/15/12


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Malachi 3:10 Where is the store house? Look at Matt 25: 31-46 Go find a homeless person, and help! It's essential to your salvation!
---Marc on 10/15/12


---Gordon on 10/15/12 "Phil, Spiritual Israel is to the nation of Israel as the New Jerusalem is the present-day Jerusalem, capital of Israel.

This may be a personal opinion based upon reasoning. However, it is not a truth found in the Holy Writings.

There is no phrase, "Spiritual Israel" in any version, much less the Originals.

Spiritial sounding phrases are not inspired. Only the Scriptures are inspired of God.

The use of unscriptural terms and words as evidence is faulty, and never is a sound place to teach from.

God does not need men to speak for Him, He desires faithful people to proclaim only that which He has written.
---Phil on 10/15/12


Phil, I accidentally left out the word "to" between the comparison of the nation of Israel and the New Jerusalem (REVELATION 21:2). The New Jerusalem is the City of the Heavenly Saints from JOHN 14:6. And, this New Jerusalem is the ultimate Holy City of which the present-day Jerusalem of Israel is but a foreshadowing. The people of Israel, of Jewish blood are an earthly foreshadowing of all of the true Believers in GOD, through YAHUSHUA (JESUS). Not every Jewish person will have been saved at the End of the Day. That is not what that verse you quoted means. For, there are MANY Jews who are in Hell as we speak. They rejected the true Messiah, and they died in their sins.
---Gordon on 10/15/12


Phil, Spiritual Israel is to the nation of Israel as the New Jerusalem is the present-day Jerusalem, capital of Israel. The REAL "Israel" are GOD's people. HIS people throughout all the ages. Of course Salvation is not by the Church (that's false Roman catholic doctrine). Salvation is only by YAHUSHUA (JOHN 14:6).
---Gordon on 10/15/12


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Hello,to bro.aka, just on here saw your post on here about book of Malechi (Malaquias) talk concerning the tithes, always that had me rather perplex ,reading your post kind of straighten it out. This always a touchy subject to ask questions(my experience) churches,always confuse to me. Will be study more. Thankyou, ELENA
---ELENA on 10/15/12


which, as a Church are as "wild branches"---Gordon on 10/14/12 "

If I abandon hundreds of unfulfilled utterances of God, dismiss Him as a man and not Deity, despise His covenant promises and the suffering of Israel as His demonstration, then I could take your position.

But I know my God, what He has sworn, He will perform. No matter how long it takes, with or without my understanding His ways.

All Israel will be saved, come into the Land, serve as kings and priests on earth, bringing healing to the nations, and the glory of the Lord will cover the earth through them.

Not through us.
---Phil on 10/14/12


Who then is "authorized" to accept the tithe today on God's behalf?
---1st_cliff on 10/13/12
Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 12:17 the remnant... which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

It is to these the tithe should go. Those who teach the law/ commandments of God AND the faith/ testimony of Jesus Christ
---francis on 10/14/12


Believers are grafted into promises given to Israel:

Romans 4:16, 9:4, Jeremiah 33:14, Ephesians 2:12

Romans 11:11,25
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for, but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The Lord Jesus is Believers high priest:
1 Peter 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Also Hebrews 2:17, 3:1, 4:14, 6:20 and others
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/14/12


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Phil, ROMANS 11:17-24 talks about the Church (consisting of both Jews and Gentiles, where, in CHRIST there is "neither Jew nor Gentile", which, as a Church are as "wild branches" grafted into the Vine (YAHUSHUA), from which the natural Olive branches were plucked out (the Jewish nation from which came the Messiah to be a Light). Anyone who believes in GOD through the Messiah YAHUSHUA, are all one. Be they a Believer from the Old Testament, or from the New, on up 'til today and so on. In Heaven, we will all be GOD's adopted Children through YAHUSHUA. The Old Testament Saints looked FORWARD to the Promised Messiah. We, today, look back and see He came, and is now with us via His RUACH Ha KODESH (Holy Spirit).
---Gordon on 10/14/12


Believers are spiritual Israel.---Follower_of_Christ on 10/13/12

Look again.

There is no mention in any Bible I have read, of a "spiritual Israel".

The body of Christ has no high priest. We are not a priest to ourselves. We are His body, intimate, connected as one. There is no priest, no go-between guy.

The Jews have a High Priest, Who they all must go through to the Father, until the Covenant is completed and God becomes All in all.


The Father has no such understanding with us. We have access directly to Him by faith, and by our relationship as His spiritual offspring through Christ's faith.
---Phil on 10/13/12


This whole subject is falderal
The Levitical priesthood was authorized to accept the tithe ,that priesthood does not exist today
Who then is "authorized" to accept the tithe today on God's behalf?
The Catholic church? Mormon?,Southern baptist? Amish? Pentacostal? SDA? JW?
Anwer= None of the above!
The tithe today is just a religious "cash cow"
---1st_cliff on 10/13/12


Prosperity teachers say if we give 10 we can get back up to a hundred. Doesn't work.

Paul says the Lord loves a cheerful giver. You give because you have already received far more than you can ever give
---michael_e on 10/13/12


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I can say you shouldn't tithe because you expect something from God. we tithe because we spread the gospel and God expects us to give. God doesn't need what we have but He wants us to give from the heart.
---shira4368 on 10/13/12


Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 23:23 teaches Believers tithing is in effect. The truth is not one word in the NT abolishes tithing. As Hebrews 7 teaches the Lord Jesus is the High Priest of Believers, tithing to the Levites ended and started going to Christs ministers the spiritual Levites. Believers do not give to get they give cheerfully understanding everything belongs to God. written word never describes jewish tithe, and something unbelievers would not see Believers are spiritual Israel.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/13/12


//...we give because He then blesses back.//

...umm, sounds a bit like greed. "We give, so we get."
---Rod4Him on 10/13/12


---Gordon on 10/12/12 "So, what do Jewish Believers in the Messiah YAHUSHUA (JESUS) do?"

According to Paul, whose evangel you believed for your salvation, there is neither Jew nor Gentile. All who insist there are 'Messianic or Completed Jews' have fallen from grace, denying the truth. While their salvation is unaffected, the carrying about of false doctrine or belief hinders maturity.

The Aaronic Priesthood ended long ago, and the need for the ordinance ended with that priesthood.

No one is receiving tithes as a mediator between God and men.

Not lawfully anyway.
---Phil on 10/13/12


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1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

where did God ordain this:

Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

So yes Christians DO tithe, for God has ordained that those who serve at his altar should live from his altar
---francis on 10/13/12


Is obeying the word of God still mandatory? Is the Old Testament still the Word of God? Yes.

However, we give because we LOVE God, not because he commands us to....God loves a cheerful giver and who would begrudge giving to God? He promised a return, some twenty, some fifty, and some a hundred fold return.

The only way to resolve the debate on tithing is to try it yourself and wait and see how God Blesses you back. We love because He first loved us....we give because He then blesses back. It's a seed we plant and He alone is worthy of our tithes and offerings.
---anon on 10/12/12


If there is one thing my wife and I have learned from over 62 years of tithing, (even as a missionary who lived 33 years only on contributions, but still tithed) is you can't out give God. But, your attitude in your giving has to be as a cheerful giver, not one who feels they have to give as a obligation to God.
---wivv on 10/12/12


he was talking to people who practice judaism. they were being hypocritical to their own law.

those who are not judaizers are not restricted to obligation but free in generosity.
---aka on 10/12/12


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gordon, as a follower of jesus christ, if i were a descendent of what we call "jews" or not, i am a new creature neither jew nor gentile.

it is the generosity of those who believe that god recognizes and not adherance to obligation.
---aka on 10/12/12


Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Very clear the Lord stated to not leave tithing undone. Much of Hebrews speaks of tithing yet those who practice lawlessness claim it is not about tithing, instead they teach Hebrews is a lot of writings about not tithing. Tithing is only for Believers who follow the examples from the Lord who told us to keep the weightier matters of the law and not leave tithing undone.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/12/12


You would faster find a decoder ring in your cracker jacks than you would find a church that will teach you that it would be wrong to tithe today. Instead of explaining the liberty that you have in Christ they would much rather shackle you with the threat of the Mosaic Law when it comes to your wallet (2 Cor 9:7).
---michael_e on 10/12/12


Phil, You say that Tithing only applies to the Jews but not the Gentiles? So, what do Jewish Believers in the Messiah YAHUSHUA (JESUS) do? So, We walk into a modern-day Church of Believers, where there are Believers of both Jewish blood and some of Gentile blood. So, only those who are of Jewish blood are to Tithe but the Gentiles do not?? But, you said that "GENTILES" do not Tithe, that only "Jews" are to tithe. Maybe what you're trying to convey is that The Orthodox Jews are to tithe, but, not the Church born since Pentacost? Perhaps?
---Gordon on 10/12/12


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if i pledge money to a charity and do not pay, it is dishonest, but it is not robbery. however, if i receive money for a charity and do not remit all of it to the charity, that is robbery.

that is what was happening in Malachi. the tithe collectors were taking some of the tithes for themselves.

to misuse God's word is robbing many of God's people who would otherwise be very generous if they were not "guilted" into a mandate based on man's manipulation of scripture.
---aka on 10/12/12


Mike, The Written Word of GOD wasn't printed, published and widely distributed throughout every Believer's home as it is today. And, GOD does not heal EVERYBODY by Miracles. Some yes, but, others no. Medical assistance is needed in some cases. Today, Bible Study materials are needed for some people. And, ummm...Food, Clothing and Shelter for the Poor COSTS MONEY, Mike. SURE, people can give of their own personal abundance, but, that, TOO, cost money at some point in time. Money is needed to provide Abortion Counseling and Assistance by Christian Anti-Abortion Clinics who reach out to women yet undecided, but wanting help and true answers. It's not wrong for Pastors to receive Salary from the Church, AS LONG AS they are truly doing their job!
---Gordon on 10/11/12


Tithing is a Jewish ordinance. It does not apply to Gentiles. Those who teach that we are subject to this ordinance are deceived or ignorant.

If you are in an established fellowship, it takes money to keep things going. As a member of the organization, you should support it with gifts and charitable acts. The financial burden should be carried by all members that can give without suffering undue hardship.

Tithing is not for today. It was instituted to supply food and goods to the Jewish priesthood, living by those offerings alone, being forbidden to work themselves.

Our Apostle, Paul, never mentions tithing. He alone has the truth for today.
---Phil on 10/11/12


Why is it greedy for people to keep what they earn, but it's okay for others to want what others earn?
---Rod4Him on 10/10/12


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Wow Cluny, you give 100% of your income in tithe?! Hard to imagine you could afford a computer with internet on an income of $0.
---Jed on 10/10/12


gordon

to not tithe is to STEAL FROM GOD...

really? what about pastors using tithe for salaries. isnt that stealing? why is it that it is ok for pastor to get paid but if you don't tithe it is called stealing.
christ never charged the poor people when he preached the gospel or when he healed the people.
---mike on 10/10/12


There are only two Biblical standards of giving:

10% in the OT.

100% in Acts.

Which one are you willing to do?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/12


To not tithe is to steal from GOD. If the Church is not obligated, somehow, to give of Tithes and Offerings, then, too many will find it easy to spend all of their money on themselves. I mean Christians. GOD is an Authority Figure to Whom we are required to obey. In Love, of course, not "legalistically". Like a child MUST OBEY his parents. Human parents don't think that it's "legalistic" to expect their children to obey them. It's expected because of their love and concern for their children's own welfare. So, why does the Church think it's "legalism" with GOD, to "OBEY" HIM? Where else will the money come from, otherwise, to support GOD's Ministry through the Church, if not from GOD's people themselves?
---Gordon on 10/10/12


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I give because of the blessings god gave me not what a pastor said with added words like 'if you don't give your 10% YOU ARE ROBBING god' that is not unconditional giving that is exploitation, guilt-shame-fear-blame giving...
---mike on 10/10/12


Hi, Judy (c: God bless you (c: Tithes were used for supporting "the Levite", "the stranger and the fatherless and the widow" (Deuteronomy 14:28-29), and they were used in other ways.

What we do to the least of Jesus' people, we are doing to Jesus (Matthew 25:40). So, we can rob God by not taking care of His needy people.

And "God loves a cheerful giver," Paul says in 2 Corinthians 9:7. So, we can rob God "In tithes and offerings." (Malachi 3:8), by not giving them cheerfully.

Deuteronomy 28:47-50 >
also > 14:22-27, noting verse 26.

The tithes are "That there may be food in My house" (Malachi 3:10).
---willie_c: on 10/10/12


1)Is the 10% tithe still mandatory.
No
2)or was it only to support the Levitical priesthood?
NO the tithe and other offerings which in OT totaled to approx. 25% of total income.
3)If we do not give ... tithe are we under a curse as it says in Malachi?
Yes - You can not serve both God and money Matt Ch6. The verse before Malachi (paraphased "I am God I never change")
4) are we to give as the Spirit leads us with a cheerful heart and not under compulsion?
yes and no. This verse written to corinthians was to promote jealousy between the corthians and the macedonians who gave cheerfully and SACRIFICIALLY to Israel during time of need. (2 corth 4)
It is not an either, or, it is a both, and.


---Scott1 on 10/10/12


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